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1. Aside from the alleged forced oral sex, is there much criminal contained in all this? Asking if someone would touch their penis during a massage? Allegedly inadvertently bumping a penis against the masseuse’s hand during a nude massage doesn’t seem outside the realm of possibility. (I believe he is definitely a guilty creep, but would this really be a serious criminal pursuit by a DA?)

2. The women that were “shocked and confused”...they massage people for a living, presumably a lot of men and many people like their massages nude. Was this really the first time someone popped a boner or asked something inappropriate? Or were they shocked and confused that he ejaculated spontaneously after a fraction of a second’s contact?

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1. Aside from the alleged forced oral sex, is there much criminal contained in all this? Asking if someone would touch their penis during a massage? Allegedly inadvertently bumping a penis against the masseuse’s hand during a nude massage doesn’t seem outside the realm of possibility. (I believe he is definitely a guilty creep, but would this really be a serious criminal pursuit by a DA?)

2. The women that were “shocked and confused”...they massage people for a living, presumably a lot of men and many people like their massages nude. Was this really the first time someone popped a boner or asked something inappropriate? Or were they shocked and confused that he ejaculated spontaneously after a fraction of a second’s contact?

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Summary of lawsuits against Deshaun Watson

Mar 22, 2021

Sixteen civil cases filed against the Houston Texans' Deshaun Watson through Tuesday accuse him of a range of actions during massage appointments over the past year, from refusing to cover his genitals to forced oral sex. Watson has denied the allegations in the lawsuits, which do not name any of the women. A summary of the alleged behavior, according to the lawsuits:

March 30, 2020, at the plaintiff's home in Texas. The plaintiff has run a massage therapy business since 2018 and is a licensed therapist. He contacted her via direct message on Instagram and insisted no one else be present during his massage. The woman alleges that Watson exposed his penis and touched her hand with his penis. She says she ended the massage abruptly and Watson told her: "I know you have a career and a reputation, and I know you would hate for someone to mess with yours, just like I don't want anyone messing with mine." She says he texted later to apologize but she did not respond.

April 19, 2020, at a Houston spa. The plaintiff, a licensed esthetician who owns her skin care business, says she was contacted by Watson via Instagram. During a massage appointment, Watson directed the woman to work on the crevices in his groin area, the lawsuit states. She says when he rolled over onto his back, he had an erection and repeatedly touched her hand with his penis. He ejaculated, leaving the woman "confused and mortified," the lawsuit states.

May 28, 2020 at Watson's home in Houston. The plaintiff, a certified personal trainer who did not specialize in massage, says Watson wanted to book with her anyway and told her he wanted to focus on his groin, glutes and lower abdominals. She says the massage took place in a theater room, and that at one point Watson exposed his penis and moved it to her hand. The lawsuit says Watson told her, "I hope you do not mind if we continue the massage like this." The woman says she started stuttering and said "I do not know. I do not know," before ending the massage. The plaintiff says she called her mother and best friend that day to tell them what happened, and that Watson texted her the same day asking if she was OK.

June 2, 2020, at a spa in Houston. The plaintiff has been in the massage business about 11 years and is a licensed therapist who routinely works with pro athletes. She says Watson contacted her via Instagram and later by phone, telling her he makes "a lot of massage therapists uncomfortable and it's really hard for me to find someone who will meet my needs." During the appointment, the woman says, Watson continually tried to remove towels and exposed his penis multiple times and moved "in such a way to make his penis touch Plaintiff." The lawsuit says Watson tried to schedule future appointments but was ignored or declined.

June 2020 and Aug. 17, 2020, at a hotel and later a spa in Houston. The plaintiff, who offers bodywork and stretch therapy classes, markets her business through Instagram. She said she initially did not know who Watson was when he contacted her through the manager at a spa where she worked. She met him at a hotel where he was staying, the lawsuit says. She says Watson groped her buttocks and vagina, and she slapped him. She says he later touched her hand with his penis. On Aug. 17, she says, Watson reached out on Instagram, and she didn't realize the connection to her earlier client until he arrived. The lawsuit says Watson apologized for his earlier behavior but during the appointment exposed himself, forced the woman's mouth onto his penis and masturbated in front of her.

July 2020 at the plaintiff's house in Houston. The plaintiff offered Watson a teeth whitening and sauna detox when he originally reached out via Instagram for a massage. Later, by telephone, Watson asked about Swedish massage, and she said she would try to learn it before his appointment, according to the lawsuit. During the appointment, the woman says, Watson lay naked on his stomach and told her to massage the area underneath his genitals and anus before flipping onto his back. The lawsuit states that as the plaintiff massaged his groin, Watson ejaculated on her face and body. She says he then took her hand and had it touch his penis. The woman called a friend later that day to say what had happened because, she says, she was in shock.

July 15, 2020 at a home in Beverly Hills, Calif. The plaintiff, a licensed massage therapist, says Watson contacted her on Instagram. He later gave her an address to a house in Beverly Hills where she was to meet him, the lawsuit says. When she arrived, she says, she was led to a room where Watson locked the door. The plaintiff says she took out mace, and Watson laughed but didn't say anything. When the massage started, the lawsuit states, Watson asked her to massage his glutes and pointed to his anus, and the plaintiff refused. When Watson flipped over, he had an erection covered by a towel, which he removed, the plaintiff says. She says Watson grabbed her hands and moved them toward his genitals and forced her hands onto his penis. Afterward, she says, he told her, "I will not have you sign a NDA but don't ever talk about this."

Aug. 2, 2020, at a hotel in Houston. The plaintiff offers various wellness services in homes, hotels and offices. Watson allegedly contacted her by Instagram to set up an appointment. The woman says that, during the session, Watson repeatedly asked if he could be naked and demanded she focus on the buttocks. The lawsuit alleges that Watson told the plaintiff he wanted her to touch his anus with her fingers. After the session, according to the lawsuit, Watson was naked in the room when the plaintiff returned from washing her hands and he allegedly asked if she did more than just professional work "for more money." The woman says she immediately declined and told him to leave. Due to the incident, she left the profession, the lawsuit states.

Aug. 28, 2020, at the Houstonian Hotel. The plaintiff has owned a massage therapy business in Atlanta since 2019. She says Watson contacted her via Instagram and flew her to Houston for his appointment. The woman says Watson tried to get her to touch his genitals and exposed himself. She said she ended the massage and Watson grabbed her hand and arm and said, 'It is OK. It is OK.' She said she pulled away. When Watson went to shower, she says, she left for the airport and did not respond to later requests from Watson.

Several encounters between Sept. 9, 2020, and October 2020 at a spa in Houston. The plaintiff, a licensed esthetician of nine years, offers back treatments and body scrubs. In one session, the lawsuit says, Watson asked the woman "what she would do about his erection." She told him his behavior was inappropriate, the lawsuit says. In an October session, she says, Watson tried to put his penis in the plaintiff's hand so she would touch it and moved his body so his penis would touch her hand. She says he insisted she focus on his groin, complained she was wearing too many clothes and tried to kiss her. The woman says she cut the second session short and Watson left.

Sept. 24, 2020, at a rented room in a Houston salon. The plaintiff, who owns her own fitness company and offers body conditioning and wellness therapy, says Watson contacted her on Instagram. She said Watson asked if it was OK if he got naked and "if he got aroused." Later, she says, he moved his body to have his penis touch her hand. She said she moved away and Watson then ejaculated. The lawsuit says the woman "felt violated and disgusted" and immediately stopped the session.

Two sessions -- Oct. 19 and around Nov. 2, 2020 -- at the plaintiff's office in Houston. The woman owns a bodywork and stretch therapy company and had been open around six months. She said Watson contacted her on Instagram. In the first session, she says, Watson wanted her to work on his inner thighs. She said she doesn't "do that kind of work," but she did after he insisted, according to the lawsuit. During the second session, Watson kissed the plaintiff when he arrived, she says. She was shocked and left the office quickly to compose herself, and when she returned he exposed himself, the lawsuit says. Later, she says, Watson asked her to work on his buttocks and penis area but she declined. The lawsuit says he moved in a way to have his penis touch her hand and offered to pay extra if she worked on his buttocks and penis. She says when she declined, Watson got upset and left.

Oct. 8, 2020 at a spa in Houston. The plaintiff says she had never given a massage at this spa before, and her boss had assigned her to Watson, whom she said might require a non-disclosure agreement to be signed. She did not sign an NDA. When the massage began, the plaintiff says, she started massaging Watson's lower legs, as her boss instructed. Watson later turned over and exposed his penis, the lawsuit states, and the woman continued massaging his inner thigh, lower stomach and sides as he instructed. Because his penis was exposed, the woman says, she had to brush against it during the massage. The suit says Watson told her not to be afraid to touch him, and the plaintiff responded that she was not paid to do that. She says he told her that's what he paid for, and that he left, paying only a third of what he was supposed to pay her.

Dec. 28, 2020, at a Houston office building. The woman, a licensed massage therapist since 2018, says Watson contacted her through Instagram. During the session, she says, Watson instructed her to slide her hands across his genitals. The woman says she started shaking and felt intimidated and threatened. The lawsuit says that he forced the woman to have oral sex and that she blacked out for a few minutes from fear. She says Watson then got dressed and left.

Jan. 21, 2021, in Houston. The plaintiff, a licensed massage therapist who owns her own business in Houston, says Watson contacted her on Instagram. As the massage started, she says, Watson asked if he could remove draping because he gets hot. The woman says she told Watson that he would have to remain partially covered and that the massage was strictly professional. The lawsuit says he exposed his erect penis and caused it to touch her hand.

March 5, 2021, at a massage therapy business in Sandy Springs, Georgia. The plaintiff is a licensed massage therapist who owns her own business. She says Watson contacted her on Instagram about a $55 discount massage she was offering. During the massage, she says, Watson made her uncomfortable and directed her to his groin area. She refused, and Watson exposed himself and put his penis on her hand, the lawsuit says. She says she was shocked and moved away, and Watson dressed and left.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31113664/summary-lawsuits-deshaun-watson

For as many times as he seems to have done this, he sure does suck at it. Why not just hire hookers for "massages" and guarantee success?

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For as many times as he seems to have done this, he sure does suck at it. Why not just hire hookers for "massages" and guarantee success?

For some people, it is about the control and exerting dominance. They want these women to submit to them because of their stature in society. Watson is a pro athlete and has a lot of money. He wants the rush and satisfaction of talking these women into it even if they don't want to do it. 

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For some people, it is about the control and exerting dominance. They want these women to submit to them because of their stature in society. Watson is a pro athlete and has a lot of money. He wants the rush and satisfaction of talking these women into it even if they don't want to do it. 

Nah, it is more like something Ron Franklin would say. Watson prematurely feels the rush, gets happy feet,and then pulls the trigger before the receiver is looking.

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July 2020 at the plaintiff's house in Houston. The plaintiff offered Watson a teeth whitening and sauna detox when he originally reached out via Instagram for a massage. Later, by telephone, Watson asked about Swedish massage, and she said she would try to learn it before his appointment, according to the lawsuit

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I was listening to a pre-scandal episode of The Right Time, Bomani Jones's podcast, and he was talking about how every owner in the NFL was freaking out about Cal caving in and trading Watson to where he wanted to go, because it would be a sea change in the leverage superstar players would have over owners and contracts.  All 30 members of the billionaire boys club were / are united against that happening. Just more food for thought.

And if I am not mistaken, the forced blow job suit is the same one that initially was a blackmail plot. Hardin's office released this sworn statement from Bryan Burney, Watson's marketing manager, back when they first responded:

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1. My name is Bryan Burney. I am the marketing manager for Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson, and have had this role for more than three years. I have personal knowledge of the facts stated in this declaration; they are true and correct.

2. In mid-January 2021, I spoke with an individual who I believe is the Plaintiff, identified as “Jane Doe,” in Jane Doe v. Deshaun Watson, Cause No. 2021-15613, currently pending in Harris County, Texas. It is clear to me that the person I spoke with met with Deshaun on December 28, 2020, the same day that Jane Doe contends in her petition that she met with Deshaun. When I spoke with Ms. Doe in January, she stated that she wanted a “settlement” from Deshaun, though what exactly she wished to “settle” was not clear to me.

3. During my discussions with Ms. Doe, I questioned the factual basis for the “settlement” that she was requesting from Deshaun. Ms. Doe informed me that she was asking to be paid $30,000 for what she referred to as “indefinite silence” about her encounter with Deshaun. I asked her what she would be silent about and whether anything had happened with Deshaun against her will. She confirmed that everything that occurred was consensual during her encounter with Deshaun. I asked Ms. Doe why Deshaun should pay for silence regarding something that was consensual – whatever it was. She said that it was a matter that both she and Deshaun would wish to keep secret and that she would need to be paid for her “silence.”

4. After my conversation with Ms. Doe, I received a call from a man purporting to be her “business manager.” Ms. Doe’s business manager told me that her encounter with Deshaun would be embarrassing if revealed and that Deshaun should pay to keep the matter secret.

5. I told this individual that his demand to be paid for not revealing a consensual interaction between two adults was extortion.

6. He responded, “It’s not extortion, it’s blackmail.”

7. I informed this individual that Deshaun would not be paying the $30,000 requested.

8. In the years that I have known Deshaun, I have known him to be a respectful, decent human being. I do not believe him capable of the conduct that “Jane Doe” has anonymously accused him of in this case. This conduct is also completely inconsistent with multiple statements made by Jane Doe and by her “business manager,” indicating that her encounter with Deshaun involved only consensual activity.

 

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HA! Dumb.

Yeah, he's a real crayon eater.

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He's one of the smartest people in sports media. And he's a Longhorn fan. 

 

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For as many times as he seems to have done this, he sure does suck at it. Why not just hire hookers for "massages" and guarantee success?

From reading this it's looking like part of the thrill is they aren't into it. 

I mean, these stories are retarded lies or really creepy shit. "She said she moved away and Watson then ejaculated." 

He just flips over with a boner suprises them and cooms?

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Doesn't have to. But IG is his shopping catalog and he has the means to pick out whatever he wants.

No question (if all the meetings documented thus far have occurred) it’s his shopping catalog. Again, assuming the accounts of the alleged victims are true; it appears not one of them were clamoring to give him a second chance (the one alleged victim who saw him twice claimed to not know it was Watson booking the second appointment.) 

I find that somewhat compelling. That and the one alleged victim who immediately “cried out” to a family member and a friend after the incident. Outcry statements can be damning for the defendant—not always. They can certainly help a plaintiff. 
 

Many of the accounts (most of the links are in this thread and I am too lazy to go find them) read like this, “Instagram woman contacted (may or may not have much massage experience.) seemed thrilled someone of Watson wanted their services. Incident happens during massage. Massage ends. Masseuse/Instagram woman never contacts Watson again or when Watson contacts her she avoids contact or isn’t interested in another session.”

All the accounts are alleged. Almost all of the accounts though appear to have gone that way. So if you are an Instagram model/masseuse without much experience and a famous athlete wants “certain things” why would you reject another or multiple sessions unless you were (a) freaked out by how the session went and/or (b) are not interested in providing the certain things he wanted? 
 

TLDR: I found it interesting that the vast majority of the women wanted absolutely nothing to do with him after one session. So if they are used to doing certain things with a client or had no problem with what went down (pun intended) in the sessions why not respond to him afterwards and book another appointment? 

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TLDR: I found it interesting that the vast majority of the women wanted absolutely nothing to do with him after one session. So if they are used to doing certain things with a client or had no problem with what went down (pun intended) in the sessions why not respond to him afterwards and book another appointment?

Speaking of which, you haven't been returning my calls.. 

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TLDR: I found it interesting that the vast majority of the women wanted absolutely nothing to do with him after one session. So if they are used to doing certain things with a client or had no problem with what went down (pun intended) in the sessions why not respond to him afterwards and book another appointment? 

How do you know it was a vast majority.  There might be hundreds of women out there that were down for what he was looking for.

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Dane Schiller, a spokesperson for the Harris County district attorney, said last week that it would be "inappropriate" for the DA's office to comment on the lawsuits against Watson.

"It would be inappropriate for the District Attorney's Office to comment on a civil lawsuit, and we refrain from publicly discussing allegations in any matter until and if a criminal charge is filed; we do this out of fairness to all," Schiller said in a statement.
 

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So HPD is investigating then? 

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The plaintiff of the lawsuit, who is a flight attendant but was in massage therapy school at the time, said that she had known Watson previously through mutual friends and "never could have imaged he would eventually assault her."

Before the first of two massage sessions between them, which occurred at the plaintiff's mother's house in Pearland, Texas, on Nov. 6, Watson texted the student saying, "I even have a NDA I have therapist sign too."

During that session, he continued directing her to his groin, per the lawsuit, and "repeatedly stated 'get up in there' and 'don't be scared.' "

The second session between the two occurred just days later, according to the lawsuit. Among other details, it alleges Watson "kept aggressively moving his penis toward plaintiff's hand" and that Watson later ejaculated "all over" plaintiff's arm and hand. 

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According to the lawsuit, after wiping the semen off of her and finishing the session "as quickly as possible," she told Watson to leave. 

"After Watson left the house, he sent her a text saying 'Maybe 4:30 pm? At Houstonian. I see you're getting comfortable with certain techniques and areas,' " the lawsuit states. "When Plaintiff declined the massage, Watson texted her incessantly almost every day afterwards asking for a massage. Plaintiff did not respond to his messages. Watson would also call Plaintiff almost three times a day. Plaintiff would not answer his calls. Plaintiff felt violated, disgusted and betrayed."

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The plaintiff of the lawsuit, who is a flight attendant but was in massage therapy school at the time, said that she had known Watson previously through mutual friends and "never could have imaged he would eventually assault her."

I hope the Petition started with "Dear Courthouse, I never thought it would happen to me...." 

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2. The women that were “shocked and confused”...they massage people for a living, presumably a lot of men and many people like their massages nude. 

Anyone getting a massage is nude, or at most, wearing underwear beneath a sheet on the massage table. However, and this may also surprise you, the vast majority of people are not giant assholes that try to victimize strangers in a sexual way. They get a massage for acute or chronic pain because it's effective treatment. And no matter what they may "like," they keep their shit below a fucking sheet during a massage. 

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This is a big yikes. 

This goes back to 2019 and she's not one of the 19 women who have sued so far.

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Watson stayed on his back for the entire session. While massaging his abdomen, Mary says she noticed “different fluids on his stomach.” She remembers questioning whether it was really pre-ejaculate, telling herself, This can’t be what I think it is. In the final five to 10 minutes of the session, Mary says Watson began thrusting his pelvis in the air again, this time much faster. “At that point, I recognized it for what it was,” Mary says. She says she told him he needed to “calm down.” He stopped, the session ended and she left the room to let him get dressed. When she returned, he gave her a hug. Because of his request to use the back entrance, she then had to walk him out of the building.

 

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