Is Deshaun Watson Done in Houston?

[Bevo 13528]

51 minutes ago, B00M said:

Anyone getting a massage is nude, or at most, wearing underwear beneath a sheet on the massage table. However, and this may also surprise you, the vast majority of people are not giant assholes that try to victimize strangers in a sexual way. They get a massage for acute or chronic pain because it's effective treatment. And no matter what they may "like," they keep their shit below a fucking sheet during a massage. 

Well that and most customers don't spontaneously ejaculate on the help.

[Nicole44 22027]

8 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

That SI article is the first time I've legitimately thought Deshaun might be done.

It’s certainly damning if true. It’s definitely harder to believe that all of the women are somehow on the Texans payroll the more you read. From the beginning I have hoped it was NOT true. Didn’t want to believe it. He still has the presumption of innocence of course.
 

Again, if true, knowing there was at least  one lawsuit against him, wtf was he doing still trolling Instagram masseuses after that? That’s beyond dumb. 

Edited March 29, 2021 by Nicole44

[TonyTexas 10482]

The Onion interviewed MaybeACoordinator

CORPUS CHRISTI, TX—Finally stopping to consider the weight of the allegations after another massage therapist came forward, the 14th sexual assault lawsuit filed against Deshaun Watson Tuesday forced Texans fan  MaybeACoordinator to reckon with a potential full-blown conspiracy against the quarterback. “I tried to avert my eyes at first, but all of these lawsuits clearly point to a powerful cabal of people working to undermine this man,” said, MaybeACoordinator emphasizing the need to take these allegations seriously and nip them in the bud before they could do any further damage to Watson’s reputation. “At first, I thought it was just one or two liars trying to ruin a great athlete’s life, but it’s clearly much deeper than that. I’d be naïve at this point if I didn’t admit that a massive, potentially satanic operation was responsible for these assault claims. There’s simply no other explanation.” At press time,  MaybeACoordinator took to an online forum to speculate if the lawsuits were a “sting operation funded by the [Miami] Dolphins” to lower Deshaun Watson’s trade value. 

[Nicole44 22027]

“The fact that he’s denying all the allegations makes it more of a reason for us to use our voice.” 

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Edited March 29, 2021 by Nicole44

[JFKFC 4878]

As usual, I am the only one doing any real thinking around here. We need a volunteer, so, let's take the next guy who posts after this post. We'll get a wig, throw some rouge on ya, and create a new Instagram account saying you live in Houston and love to give free massages. We'll hook up a camera and live stream it here on Surly. You can buy your own gloves and face shield. 

[B00M 6280]

17 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Well that and most customers don't spontaneously ejaculate on the help.

Yeah the non-contact ejacs just don't compute but none of this is rational so who the fuck knows. 

[Gourmand 7774]

16 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

I was listening to a pre-scandal episode of The Right Time, Bomani Jones's podcast, and he was talking about how every owner in the NFL was freaking out about Cal caving in and trading Watson to where he wanted to go, because it would be a sea change in the leverage superstar players would have over owners and contracts.  All 30 members of the billionaire boys club were / are united against that happening. Just more food for thought.

And if I am not mistaken, the forced blow job suit is the same one that initially was a blackmail plot. Hardin's office released this sworn statement from Bryan Burney, Watson's marketing manager, back when they first responded:

 

Dude, just stop. You're making a giant assfool of yourself and this thread is not going to end well for you.

Deshaun Watson is likely a bigtime creeper who gets off on the massage therapy porn genre. The question of criminality or civil liability is still undetermined but going all-in on some massively regarded conspiracy theory about the Texans torpedoing their star quarterback is just insanely stupid.

 

[Slacks 6791]

Only question I have is how did Buzbee get into this and get all the plaintiffs?

Are any of the women repd by another attorney?

[Vic Mackey 46936]

1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

That SI article is the first time I've legitimately thought Deshaun might be done.

As in never playing again? Not a chance. Is a creep? Sure. Is any of this criminal? Not as of now. Unless more develops. What exactly did he do illegal here? Unless it comes out he raped or assaulted these women. And even then, he will still find a job. He's a talented QB and teams need that.

[Murfdogg21 4412]

2 hours ago, B00M said:

Anyone getting a massage is nude, or at most, wearing underwear beneath a sheet on the massage table. However, and this may also surprise you, the vast majority of people are not giant assholes that try to victimize strangers in a sexual way. They get a massage for acute or chronic pain because it's effective treatment. And no matter what they may "like," they keep their shit below a fucking sheet during a massage. 

I think you misunderstood my post as somehow siding with Watson. It was mostly about making a joke of the surprise they had that he could spontaneously ejaculate with little or no contact. 

Edited March 29, 2021 by Murfdogg21
premature posting

[Gene Parmesan 3993]

Ejaculating on your masseuse isn't illegal it's only frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.

[Randolph Duke 4034]

https://www.sportico.com/law/analysis/2021/deshaun-watson-nfl-investigation-1234625686/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=exacttarget&utm_campaign=Sportico_Daily&utm_content=264506_03-29-2021_the-nfl's-playbook-for-the-deshaun-&utm_term=8165163

 

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The NFL’s Playbook for the Deshaun Watson Situation

With Houston Texans QB Deshaun Watson the defendant in assault lawsuits brought by 19 massage therapists, and with none of the accusations generating a known police investigation, the NFL faces what might be its most complicated player conduct matter to date.

The NFL has signaled the situation is under review. Watson, like other players, is subject to the league’s personal conduct policy, prohibiting “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence” in the game. A finding of “conduct detrimental” is not necessarily predicated on a finding of criminal guilt or civil liability. Dallas Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott, Seattle Seahawks defensive lineman Jarran Reed and Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger all faced NFL suspensions for alleged off-field misconduct without having been charged.

The unique challenge for the NFL, former New England Patriots general counsel/player personnel expert Jack Mula tells Sportico, is the sheer scope of Watson’s situation and the possibility that the accompanying legal process could last well beyond 2021.

“With so many accusers,” Mula said, “and if media reports of other teammates’ involvement are substantiated, the investigation could easily extend beyond the current season.”

While Watson may be the center of the league’s investigation, it’s an inquiry that could go much deeper and involve other players and staff. Any employee of a team who may have knowledge about the matter, Mula said, as well as anyone “who might have recommended or sought massage therapy from any of the involved parties,” would be of interest to the NFL.

It remains to be seen if Watson’s accusers would cooperate with NFL investigators and, if so, under what conditions. The league is a private business and lacks subpoena powers; it can’t compel outsiders to participate. If Watson and his accusers reach out-of-court settlements, those settlements would almost certainly contain nondisclosure agreements. Mula, mindful of these limitations, cautions that the commissioner’s office can still draw from a range of informative sources. They include those from criminal investigations, self-reporting or the media. The NFL can also retain outside counsel and security services.

Since March 16, 19 women have sued Watson for assault in Harris County District Court. Three of the lawsuits were filed on Monday. All of the women are represented by Houston attorney Tony Buzbee. Watson firmly denies the allegations, and the 25-year-old Texans star dismisses the lawsuits as extortive acts.

The complaints vary in certain details, but generally describe the same pattern. Watson is accused of communicating with the therapists through Instagram and requesting their services to treat injured areas of his body. During the massages, Watson is alleged to have directed the therapists—sometimes through contact, other times through vocal pressure—to touch his groin area or to perform oral sex. Some of the therapists also assert that Watson directly or implicitly warned them not to report, and that other players reached out to them, as well.

The plaintiffs raise three types of civil claims: sexual assault, assault and intentional infliction of emotional distress. Collectively, these claims accuse Watson of making unwanted physical contact of a sexual nature and engaging in outrageous behavior intended to humiliate and cause anguish.

To be clear, these are civil claims, not criminal charges. That legal distinction is substantial and impacts the NFL’s fact-finding.

A civil claim demands monetary damages (or an order compelling the defendant to stop or start some action). The threshold necessary to file a lawsuit is fairly low. The complaint must not be frivolous, meaning the attorney failed to perform basic due diligence in assessing the client’s allegation, though court sanctions for frivolous claims are uncommon. To prevail in civil litigation, the plaintiff must prove the claim by a preponderance of the evidence, meaning more likely than not.

The 19 complaints aren’t attributed to named plaintiffs, who are all listed by the pseudonym “Jane Doe.” Courts generally allow anonymous filings to proceed when there are compelling reasons for shielding the plaintiff’s identity, such as risk of retribution or embarrassment. However, courts are sensitive that anonymous filings limit information about the accuser and thereby potentially undermine a defendant’s ability to defend himself or herself. Whether the identities of Watson’s accusers remain shielded will be determined by the presiding judges.

The complaints are also “unverified,” meaning they are signed by Buzbee, rather than by the plaintiffs themselves. A verified complaint, in contrast, is when the plaintiff swears under oath and at risk of perjury that their assertions are true. The use of an unverified complaint is common. However, it allows Watson’s attorneys to question the accusers’ veracity and enables Watson to offer general, rather than specific, denials. That could limit information flow to the NFL.

Watson’s defense team, led by noted attorney Rusty Hardin, maintains there is “strong evidence” that the accusers are lying and at least one attempted to extort Watson into paying $30,000. These assertions suggest that Watson might countersue the accusers, which would complicate the litigation and create additional risks for the litigants.

With at least 19 plaintiffs and allegations that occurred in different locations, the factual scope of the litigation will be cumbersome. Many witnesses—including accusers and others who saw, heard or read about Watson’s alleged interactions—will provide sworn statements subject to judicial scrutiny and cross examination. A significant amount of electronic evidence in the form of Instagram messages, texts, emails and potentially videos could also surface. Electronic mapping and location data in Watson’s communications might also prove important.

The coronavirus pandemic further complicates matters, with civil litigation slowed as courts prioritize available court hearings for criminal prosecutions.

So far, no police reports related to the allegations have surfaced. For Watson to be charged with a crime, a grand jury would be convened and would return an indictment if there was a finding of probable cause. Those steps would require time, testimony and evidence. While Buzbee believes sworn testimony would reveal criminal conduct, law enforcement would need to independently corroborate accusations before proceeding.

With the possibility of litigation and league investigation extending into 2022, Mula believes the commissioner’s exempt list could become relevant this fall. The list is akin to paid administrative leave, where the player is barred from playing games and practicing while continuing to receive compensation. Commissioner Roger Goodell can place a player on the list in several circumstances, including “when an investigation leads the commissioner to believe that a player may have” committed an act of violence or sexual assault. Last year, Goodell placed Seahawks cornerback Quinton Dunbar on the exempt list after he was arrested for armed robbery; charges were later dropped.

As for the Texans, they face the predicament of a player who reportedly demands a trade but whose trade value has likely fallen. Mula emphasizes the Texans enjoy significant latitude.

“I would expect the Texans and [general manager] Nick Caserio to defer to the league’s authority,” Mula said, “while also examining their rights under Mr. Watson’s player contract. It is usual for a club to insert financial forfeiture provisions in a player’s contract, and in this case likely exercisable by the Texans, depending on the results of the league’s investigation.”

Note: The story was updated to account for three lawsuits filed after initial publication. (March 29, 1:15 p.m.) 

 

[Nicole44 22027]

The laws vary from state to state but in a nutshell (pun intended) sexual assault (criminal and civil):

 The term encompasses various actions that involve behavior or contact toward another person without their consent. The actions are defined by state law and can therefore differ by jurisdiction. However, some common examples of sexual assault include:

• Fondling, kissing, or making unwanted bodily contact;
• Forcing another person to perform or receive oral sex;
• Forcing a tongue, mouth, finger, penis, or an object on another person's anus, penis, or vagina; and
• Forced masturbation.

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My question(s) would be if he expressed what he wanted (I want you to mess with my junk) would that be solicitation? Like if you DM’d someone on INstagram and asked for a massage that included a handjob/blowjob or similar would that be considered criminal solicitation? So you’d not want to put in your DM. You’d say, “focus on the upper thigh area with a 😉😉😉?” 

[staboner 4959]

12 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Ejaculating on your masseuse isn't illegal it's only frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.

please!

[Beau Vine 54008]

4 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

Among other details, it alleges Watson "kept aggressively moving his penis toward plaintiff's hand" and that Watson later ejaculated "all over" plaintiff's arm and hand.

This again?!?!?/

For fuck's sake, Deshaun apparently fires easier than JerseyMan10.

 

[Beau Vine 54008]

22 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

My question(s) would be if he expressed what he wanted (I want you to mess with my junk) would that be solicitation? Like if you DM’d someone on INstagram and asked for a massage that included a handjob/blowjob or similar would that be considered criminal solicitation? So you’d not want to put in your DM. You’d say, “focus on the upper thigh area with a 😉😉😉?” 

Check your DMs.

[Brothahorn 10085]

Two of the cases seem to insinuate forced oral sex. Now that sounds criminal. 

 

The rest reads like some Baller Alert fan fiction.

[Wanker Bob 379]

I just can't believe that a very rich young athlete would find women seeking attention on instagram and ask them to tug on his nuggets for some money. I mean that's just insane who could ever believe it. 

Well, now only thing left is for him to go play for Robert Kraft

[MoJames 8241]

On 3/24/2021 at 3:46 PM, Brothahorn said:

SAS has become S-h-i-t

Become?

[conVINCEd 21468]

I was 50/50 when these stories first started coming out.  Best case for Watson at this point is he continues to play in the NFL but loses all of his endorsement income and lucrative post-career talking head opportunities.  Worst case is handcuffs.

[Brothahorn 10085]

3 minutes ago, MoJames said:

Become?

When he was a newspaper journo, he wasn't that bad. Then ESPN told him his opinion mattered.

[Randolph Duke 4034]

I would never get into a technical legal argument with Rusty Hardin. I'm not sure Buzbee was smart to. Time will tell.

"The 19 complaints aren’t attributed to named plaintiffs, who are all listed by the pseudonym “Jane Doe.” Courts generally allow anonymous filings to proceed when there are compelling reasons for shielding the plaintiff’s identity, such as risk of retribution or embarrassment. However, courts are sensitive that anonymous filings limit information about the accuser and thereby potentially undermine a defendant’s ability to defend himself or herself. Whether the identities of Watson’s accusers remain shielded will be determined by the presiding judges.

The complaints are also “unverified,” meaning they are signed by Buzbee, rather than by the plaintiffs themselves. A verified complaint, in contrast, is when the plaintiff swears under oath and at risk of perjury that their assertions are true. The use of an unverified complaint is common. However, it allows Watson’s attorneys to question the accusers’ veracity and enables Watson to offer general, rather than specific, denials."

[Murfdogg21 4412]

Pretty soon, Warrick Dunn is going to want his house back. 

[Bigbend1812 12892]

7 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

3 more lawsuits filed today

 

[closetohumping 17406]

The NFL owner's consortiumship are behind this.

[Blotto 23434]

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But Watson’s behavior indicated to her that “his intentions were different.” She adds, “There was one point that he did tell me that I could move [his penis] if I needed to, and I just completely ignored him.”

Now listen, I'm not asking or in anyway soliciting, just letting you know that if my hog gets in the way, you can take corrective measures.......repeatedly.  

[Trey3216 15325]

So Deshaun Watson is apparently @Jersey Man10

[Dnaguy 11777]

14 hours ago, B00M said:

Yeah the non-contact ejacs just don't compute but none of this is rational so who the fuck knows. 

 

Non-contact ejacs is a solid handle and / or band name.

Spelling it with a 'xx' makes it more punk, though.

Non-contact ejaxx!

Edited March 30, 2021 by Dnaguy

[Herpa Derpa 6113]

12 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

This again?!?!?/

For fuck's sake, Deshaun apparently fires easier than JerseyMan10.

 

I had better control at 14.

 

 

 

 

 

No, I didn't. C'mon man.

[Deej 76570]

Deshaun 

[BurntOrange&White 39668]

[Zeus 5950]

On 3/28/2021 at 10:40 PM, MaybeACoordinator said:

I was listening to a pre-scandal episode of The Right Time, Bomani Jones's podcast, and he was talking about how every owner in the NFL was freaking out about Cal caving in and trading Watson to where he wanted to go, because it would be a sea change in the leverage superstar players would have over owners and contracts.  All 30 members of the billionaire boys club were / are united against that happening. Just more food for thought.

And if I am not mistaken, the forced blow job suit is the same one that initially was a blackmail plot. Hardin's office released this sworn statement from Bryan Burney, Watson's marketing manager, back when they first responded:

 

The NFL is the top of the all seeing eye pyramid

[maninblack 7974]

Did he catch 3 more overnight? I saw the number was 19 this morning

[royiv 9169]

Rusty Hardin is going to have a new home in Aspen before this is all over.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

1 hour ago, Zeus said:

The NFL is the top of the all seeing eye pyramid

Well, it's not like all 30 owners colluding to end the career of a quarterback who caused the league problems is something they would ever, ever do. 

[ABSR 5289]

16 hours ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Ejaculating on your masseuse isn't illegal it's only frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.

Thank God Bin Ladin didn't blow up a massage parlor!

[Vertigo 20267]

17 hours ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Ejaculating on your masseuse isn't illegal it's only frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane.

[Kyle 207]

2 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Well, it's not like all 30 owners colluding to end the career of a quarterback who caused the league problems is something they would ever, ever do. 

Only for backups not starters.

[TonyTexas 10482]

2 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Well, it's not like all 30 owners colluding to end the career of a quarterback who caused the league problems is something they would ever, ever do. 

Do you look under your bed every night to make sure there are no monsters there?

[Gourmand 7774]

2 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Well, it's not like all 30 owners colluding to end the career of a quarterback who caused the league problems is something they would ever, ever do. 

You really haven't thought this through past the end of Deshaun's dick, have you?

Whenever a star quarterback, generational talent, and face of an NFL franchise is tainted by off field behavior like this, there are no winners. 

[The Earl of Texas 3131]

3 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Well, it's not like all 30 owners colluding to end the career of a quarterback who caused the league problems is something they would ever, ever do. 

NFL owners did collude to destroy Kaep, no question about it.

What they didn’t do was put the entire gambit in the hands of 20 low paid massage therapists across the entire country Who could make big dollars by getting televize interviews or writing books about their involvement in the conspiracy. And that’s where your attempt to connect these ideas fails. And without going into how routinely average guys accused of sexual misconduct get second chances in the NFL, much less superstars.

[Brothahorn 10085]

The Nose has spoken

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Houston Texans general manager Nick Caserio said the allegations of sexual assault and inappropriate behavior against Deshaun Watson are "certainly troubling" as he addressed them publicly for the first time.

"We're certainly cognizant and aware," Caserio told the "Texas All Access" podcast on Monday's episode. "We made a statement at the beginning about where the organization stood. I would say it's a legal situation, it's a legal process, so we're certainly respectful of that.

"We certainly take them very seriously. The allegations, what's been discussed, are certainly troubling. Organizationally, that's not something that we can condone, that we condone, those types of actions. But again, we'll let the legal process take care of itself, and however it's gonna unfold, we'll certainly comply and do what we can to help and facilitate a resolution for everybody."

 

 

[Bevo 13528]

3 hours ago, Gourmand said:

You really haven't thought this through past the end of Deshaun's dick, have you?

Whenever a star quarterback, generational talent, and face of an NFL franchise is tainted by off field behavior like this, there are no winners. 

That may not be true. It is quite possible Webster's has a new entry as a synonym to premature ejaculation: Like, don't Watson all over the vintage Playboys.

[Pasken 1309]

On 3/29/2021 at 3:28 PM, Nicole44 said:

“The fact that he’s denying all the allegations makes it more of a reason for us to use our voice.” 

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[Zeus 5950]

6 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Well, it's not like all 30 owners colluding to end the career of a quarterback who caused the league problems is something they would ever, ever do. 

 

[Ignatius 4002]

22 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

I was 50/50 when these stories first started coming out.  Best case for Watson at this point is he continues to play in the NFL but loses all of his endorsement income and lucrative post-career talking head opportunities.  Worst case is handcuffs.

Shit man Ben Roethlisberger raped a chick in a bathroom and nothing happened to him. DeShaun will be fine....

[JMFP 1117]

On 3/29/2021 at 3:40 PM, B00M said:

Yeah the non-contact ejacs just don't compute but none of this is rational so who the fuck knows. 

He was probably edging before he went in... I read a post on Reddit a few years ago by a chick that worked in a waxing salon, she said a dude did this twice in their shop. First time they wrote it off but the second time he did they called the cops. She said he would work himself by hand in the parking lot until he was about to O then stop. Then would go inside and when  they went to put wax on he would blow all over. I seem to remember from the responses that it wasn't all that uncommon.

[Jack Straw 2953]

I guess the part of all this that I find the most curious is, how often he seems to be asking these women to touch his anus. 

[ButtFumble 5158]

 

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

Deshaun is paying these massage therapists to concoct this story, to add pressure to force Houston to trade or release him. When they do, he will have them all recant. 
 

Seems no more or less likely than the nfl owners cabal being behind it.