Is Deshaun Watson Done in Houston?

[Nicole44 22,206]

Damn. 
 

“We are deeply concerned by the disturbing allegations and have suspended Deshaun Watson. We will continue to closely monitor the situation,” Nike said in a statement.

———

that’s a weirdly worded statement

[bejezuz 329]

Just now, Nicole44 said:

Sure. My only caveat to this is why was he still trolling on Instagram for massage therapists after he knew he was getting sued? 

Their defense is going to be that he has a fetish and all these girls consented to participating in the fetish.  They can't run from his weird sex addiction.  All they can do at this point is argue consent and make these girls look like prostitutes.  I'm guessing the strategy at this point is to lean into it and hope that Watson can pull a Louis CK and make a comeback when most of the anger blows over and the media moves on to the next pervert/rapist.  It's friggin' ugly, but this isn't Rusty's first sex case.  They're all friggin' ugly.  

[Nicole44 22,206]

6 minutes ago, bejezuz said:

Their defense is going to be that he has a fetish and all these girls consented to participating in the fetish.  They can't run from his weird sex addiction.  All they can do at this point is argue consent and make these girls look like prostitutes.  I'm guessing the strategy at this point is to lean into it and hope that Watson can pull a Louis CK and make a comeback when most of the anger blows over and the media moves on to the next pervert/rapist.  It's friggin' ugly, but this isn't Rusty's first sex case.  They're all friggin' ugly.  

Earlier Mike Florio suggested his attorney(s) take this to a mediator and try to consolidate. It’s the Lauren Baxley plaintiff. They are fucked if she’s the one that went to HPD. 

[Zeus 6,753]

16 hours ago, elfenix said:

I have to assume that flying someone in from Atlanta or wherever to sexually assault them is some sort of federal crime. Do we know if the FBI is looking at this at all?

yeah the FBI takes these things very seriously 

[Gene Parmesan 4,062]

26 minutes ago, bejezuz said:

Their defense is going to be that he has a fetish and all these girls consented to participating in the fetish.  They can't run from his weird sex addiction.  All they can do at this point is argue consent and make these girls look like prostitutes.  I'm guessing the strategy at this point is to lean into it and hope that Watson can pull a Louis CK and make a comeback when most of the anger blows over and the media moves on to the next pervert/rapist.  It's friggin' ugly, but this isn't Rusty's first sex case.  They're all friggin' ugly.  

I don't understand the fetish, but either he's too stupid to just hire actual prostitutes to roleplay the massage, or it has to be real for him.  He's not going to have evidence of consent for all these girls.  

[Atticus 4,176]

1 minute ago, Gene Parmesan said:

I don't understand the fetish, but either he's too stupid to just hire actual prostitutes to roleplay the massage, or it has to be real for him.  He's not going to have evidence of consent for all these girls.  

He probably doesn't need it for all of them. He just needs enough to create doubt that this was forced on these innocent LMTs.

[bejezuz 329]

2 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

I don't understand the fetish, but either he's too stupid to just hire actual prostitutes to roleplay the massage, or it has to be real for him.  He's not going to have evidence of consent for all these girls.  

It's a really fucked up situation.  Rusty Hardin must have gotten PAID.  I'm talking 7 figures up front, easily. 

The thing is, you've gotta pick a direction and go with it, and it appears they've gone with (mostly) consent.  There must be too much corroborating evidence out there that they know about to stick with a pure fabrication defense.  

[Zeus 6,753]

1 minute ago, Atticus said:

He probably doesn't need it for all of them. He just needs enough to create doubt that this was forced on these innocent LMTs.

Reasonable doubt is the standard for criminal cases, not civil. 

What Is the Burden in a Civil Trial?

In a civil case the plaintiff makes the original allegations in a complaint and bears the initial burden. The defendant then files a responsive pleading denying some or all of the allegations and the burden shift to them to prove their defenses or counterclaim. Below is the burden in a civil trial:

The Lowest Standard: Preponderance of the Evidence – The rules of civil procedure used by all U.S. Courts require that a plaintiff prove her case by a preponderance of the evidence. This roughly means a greater than 50% chance, based on all the reasonable evidence, that the defendant did the wrong that caused the damage. The defendant doesn’t have to do anything to defend their case if the plaintiff fails to prove their case by a preponderance of the evidence.

What Is the Burden in a Criminal Trial?

In a criminal trial, the burden of proof is always on the prosecution, as the defendant is presumed innocent. If the prosecution fails to prove guilt, the defendant does not need to prove anything. Below is the burden of proof in a criminal case:

The Highest Standard: Beyond a Reasonable Doubt – A much higher burden than preponderance of evidence. The standard is that there is a great likelihood the accused committed the crime. Most courts refuse to attach any numbers to the phrase "beyond a reasonable doubt," but some people believe it means 90%, 95%, or even 99% sure.

[Nicole44 22,206]

4 minutes ago, bejezuz said:

It's a really fucked up situation.  Rusty Hardin must have gotten PAID.  I'm talking 7 figures up front, easily. 

The thing is, you've gotta pick a direction and go with it, and it appears they've gone with (mostly) consent.  There must be too much corroborating evidence out there that they know about to stick with a pure fabrication defense.  

Rusty Hardin is one of the best. He’d be at the top of my list if I decided to commit a crime. Andrea Yates? FYI my friend from Amarillo worked at NASA at the time that Andrea killed all five kids and my friend said they all knew it was Russell or his wife because both of them were odd. 

[Poe It Up 126]

The fact that we didn’t pull an Old Yeller on that bitch Yates still makes me sick. 
 

I’m still stunned that Watson was doing all of this during a pandemic. I mean, even if these allegations are false, what a fucking asshole. 

[Gene Parmesan 4,062]

26 minutes ago, Atticus said:

He probably doesn't need it for all of them. He just needs enough to create doubt that this was forced on these innocent LMTs.

I think each accusation is it's own trial.  Having consent for women A doesn't win you the trial against woman B.

[Nicole44 22,206]

4 minutes ago, Poe It Up said:

The fact that we didn’t pull an Old Yeller on that bitch Yates still makes me sick. 
 

I’m still stunned that Watson was doing all of this during a pandemic. I mean, even if these allegations are false, what a fucking asshole. 

What I can’t get is why after knowing you were facing at least one lawsuit for inappropriate behavior during a massage that you’d solicit another one or more? The fuck? NDA’s don’t mean anything if you break the law. 

[Brothahorn 10,096]

35 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

I don't understand the fetish, but either he's too stupid to just hire actual prostitutes to roleplay the massage, or it has to be real for him.  He's not going to have evidence of consent for all these girls.  

He's cheap. He'd rather pay $300 for some amateur porn than $3k for semi pro. Then he wants to nickel and dime the $100k. Assuming each plaintiff takes the same amount, he keeps it quiet for just over $2million. Hell, Rusty has probably already sent him a bill for that much.

 

 

Edited April 7, 2021 by Brothahorn

[Murfdogg21 4,548]

[Preface: Sexual assault is always wrong and Watson is an idiot at minimum, indecent exposure or some kind of assault at worst]
 

Is he stupid or just a mentally imbalanced addict? Criminally, can they argue mentally incompetent if he did it all during the pandemic and kept doing it after he knew he was being sued and investigated.

Civil and criminal...It is generally wrong to shame an alleged victim so I won’t, but would it be difficult to convince jurors that it was ambiguous at best considering most or all of these women are amateurs or semi-pro’s advertising their services on Instagram, and it is very common for young women to throw themselves at professional athletes? If you looked at some of their pages and had to play “escort or legitimate masseuse?” there would be some head scratching by a reasonable audience.  

Edited April 7, 2021 by Murfdogg21

[Chuckie Finster 22,978]

4 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

[Preface: Sexual assault is always wrong and Watson is an idiot at minimum, indecent exposure or some kind of assault at worst]
 

Maybe they can argue mentally incompetent if he did it all during the pandemic and kept doing it after he knew he was being sued and investigated. Is he stupid or just a mentally imbalanced addict?

It is generally wrong to shame an alleged victim so I won’t, but would it be difficult to convince jurors that it was ambiguous at best considering most or all of these women are amateurs or semi-pro’s advertising their services on Instagram, and it is very common for young women to throw themselves at professional athletes? If you looked at some of their pages and had to play “escort or legitimate masseuse?” there would be some head scratching by a reasonable audience.  

Obviously not a lawyer, but it seems to me that the text messages from Watson acknowledging that he made the women feel uncomfortable will be what complicates things for him.  Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt (which he has not earned) and say that he went in with the best of intentions, this clearly shows that he understands that his actions are inappropriate.  Deshaun continuing to repeat the cycle even after these text messages show that this isn't a simple misunderstanding on his end.

And I would imagine the success rate of "she looks like a whore on social media, what did she expect" defense has plummeted in the last few years.

[Nicole44 22,206]

Feeling stupid, ashamed and guilty. If you go forward, you are an opportunistic slut/gold digger/should have known better. If you wait you are a gold digger/liar. No one will believe unless there is video or DM’s that vindicate the accusers. 
 

Deshaun deserves the presumption of innocence. Period. I do not care for this attack a person’s character for money type deal where we don’t get to see who the victims are. Having said that, if he did do all that stuff then fuck him. That’s a predator. 

[Macklemore 2,945]

The hits keep on coming for Deshaun. Nike and now Beats has ended their relationships with him. 

 

Edited April 7, 2021 by Macklemore

[Nicole44 22,206]

9 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

The hits keep on coming for Deshaun. Nike and now Beats has ended their relationships with him. 

 

Corps going before NFL. Shocker

[Trey3216 15,450]

May have to change the title to "Is Deshaun Watson done in the NFL/Society??  

[WinningIsHard 4,171]

On 3/31/2021 at 10:21 AM, Mileslong said:

Tell that to my maid...

#HumbleBrag 

[Pasken 1,310]

It's going to get to a point where I would worry about Watson's personal safety. This behavior alone implies he's disturbed and now his reputation is ruined. 

[Poe It Up 126]

Another angle is that since his behavior appears to be compulsive, what team is going to believe he’s done doing this? I sure as hell don’t think he’s done. 

[HtownHorn 15,243]

2 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

What I can’t get is why after knowing you were facing at least one lawsuit for inappropriate behavior during a massage that you’d solicit another one or more? The fuck? NDA’s don’t mean anything if you break the law. 

Have you ever dealt with addiction?

[Gene Parmesan 4,062]

3 minutes ago, Poe It Up said:

Another angle is that since his behavior appears to be compulsive, what team is going to believe he’s done doing this? I sure as hell don’t think he’s done. 

He's definitely not going to stop, but with money it would be easy enough to control.  Get consent, keep the # of girls to a minimum, and pay them well.  With his money there are plenty out there that would be fine with that arrangement.  At that point there is no story.  Unless part of his thing is dropping his load on unexpecting ladies, professional athletes mixing with IG girls isn't anything new.

[Nicole44 22,206]

6 minutes ago, Poe It Up said:

Another angle is that since his behavior appears to be compulsive, what team is going to believe he’s done doing this? I sure as hell don’t think he’s done. 

 

I’d probably scrub that pic off Instagram to start.

[Nicole44 22,206]

8 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Have you ever dealt with addiction?

Nope. None of us on this board has. Like Ever. Texags is where you should seek that out

[Player 4,605]

2 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

Rusty Hardin is one of the best. He’d be at the top of my list if I decided to commit a crime. Andrea Yates? FYI my friend from Amarillo worked at NASA at the time that Andrea killed all five kids and my friend said they all knew it was Russell or his wife because both of them were odd. 

Did Rusty represent Yates? I thought that was George Parnham.

[Nicole44 22,206]

24 minutes ago, Player said:

Did Rusty represent Yates? I thought that was George Parnham.

You are correct. George was the lawyer. For some reason, I thought Rusty wrote some of the briefs. I posted inappropriately.

[tx 3 putt 78,470]

He is done 

[DougO 5,261]

4 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

Damn. 
 

“We are deeply concerned by the disturbing allegations and have suspended Deshaun Watson. We will continue to closely monitor the situation,” Nike said in a statement.

———

that’s a weirdly worded statement

Nike doesn't want its 9 year old slave labor workforce associated with such a negative influence.

[Flash 29]

2 hours ago, Macklemore said:

The hits keep on coming for Deshaun. Nike and now Beats has ended their relationships with him. 

 

Nothing exemplifies respect for women like a brand completely intertwined with Dr. Dre...

[CycleTex87 3,003]

So probability that Deshaun ever takes an NFL snap again?  Greater than 0%?

[Quagmire 2,147]

I mean Watson is in the wrong but you can no longer practice your profession because someone touched your hand with their penis once, come on.

Sounds a bit like the lawyer coaching the statement for maximum effectiveness

[Nicole44 22,206]

54 minutes ago, Flash said:

Nothing exemplifies respect for women like a brand completely intertwined with Dr. Dre...

Holy shit.

[Vertigo 20,462]

1 hour ago, Flash said:

Nothing exemplifies respect for women like a brand completely intertwined with Dr. Dre...

Apple owns it now, otherwise Dre would be going full blown world tour with Watson after dropping guest tracks on his new album.

[Nicole44 22,206]

8 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Apple owns it now, otherwise Dre would be going full blown world tour with Watson after dropping guest tracks on his new album.

To be fair I think all sides of whatever argument are paralyzed by the  sheer (had to look up sheer to make sure that was right) number of massage therapists. fucking a!

Honestly, I haven’t hear anyone (save one poster) say shit. I feel like every athlete wants to defend but is like “damn.” I feel like if Dre weren’t apple he would say the same.

The problem is the number of massage people. Most everyone I talk to is like wtf?

Edited April 7, 2021 by Nicole44

[Gourmand 7,778]

1 hour ago, CycleTex87 said:

So probability that Deshaun ever takes an NFL snap again?  Greater than 0%?

100

[Zeus 6,753]

3 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Have you ever dealt with addiction?

 

[Beau Vine 55,824]

Why hasn't Dabo flown in to save the day?

[Deej 77,673]

4 hours ago, Macklemore said:

The hits keep on coming for Deshaun. Nike and now Beats has ended their relationships with him. 

 

He fucked around and found out. 

[Deej 77,673]

3 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

 

I’d probably scrub that pic off Instagram to start.

Split second later and that pic would have the money shot. 

[Scooter Monzingo 821]

14 minutes ago, Deej said:

Split second later and that pic would have the money shot. 

What is the most important thing in comedy?....timing..

[Vic Mackey 47,848]

2 hours ago, CycleTex87 said:

So probability that Deshaun ever takes an NFL snap again?  Greater than 0%?

100%. There is nothing in this story that will prevent him from playing. You can beat the shit out women and easily still play. Murder people and still be the face of the league for over a decade. Rape women and still play.

[NeverMarryAStripper 22,241]

Abusing dogs will get you a time out in prison though

[Nicole44 22,206]

10 minutes ago, Scooter Monzingo said:

What is the most important thing in comedy?....timing..

 

[conVINCEd 21,477]

If you own an NFL team and have a shitty quarterback you are probably willing to put up with a few protestors outside of the facility in order to have a great QB.  Mitch Trubisky would have a hard time landing a job under the same circumstances.

[Scooter Monzingo 821]

I’m of the opinion that the fact he didn’t seem to ever have a wingman during these freaky liaisons. He knew what he was doing was fucked up.

[Nicole44 22,206]

You always need a wingman! Also just wanted the excuse to put this clip somewhere.

 

[Rockethorn1978 6,203]

You can’t write a worse scenario than this when you had the opportunity to trade him for first round picks and opt to wait a little bit. Then this breaks. I don’t know of any other city as sports cursed as Houston. Good lord.

[Nicole44 22,206]

9 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

You can’t write a worse scenario than this when you had the opportunity to trade him for first round picks and opt to wait a little bit. Then this breaks. I don’t know of any other city as sports cursed as Houston. Good lord.

Houston. We have a problem.