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11 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Why do Republicans get to dictate this process?!? 

They aren’t dictating anything. It’s a procedural rule in the senate and has been for decades. Why does Hugo not understand Senate procedure? They’re basically denying unanimous consent and forcing the full 30 hours of debate. 

Democrats did the same to Trump nominees in 2017. But all the minority can do is delay, not derail, since the cabinet nominee filibuster is dead 

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5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

They aren’t dictating anything. It’s a procedural rule in the senate and has been for decades. Why does Hugo not understand Senate procedure? They’re basically denying unanimous consent and forcing the full 30 hours of debate. 

Democrats did the same to Trump nominees in 2017. But all the minority can do is delay, not derail, since the cabinet nominee filibuster is dead 

Do you know how long they can delay a nomination? Like is there a cutoff? Or can Dems force the issue at any time? 

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1 minute ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Where the fuck were these delaying tactics when dotard was ramming the three stooges through?

Democrats did do it. You can only delay it briefly without the filibuster on cabinet nominees. Like by maybe a couple days to a week to force the full debate before cloture. 

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19 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Do you know how long they can delay a nomination? Like is there a cutoff? Or can Dems force the issue at any time? 

Yeah it’s like a day to maybe a week. It’s super annoying but there’s nothing else the minority can do but be buttheads with these “holds”

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14 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Majority of Republicans voting “NO” on Garland after acquitting Trump says a lot. 

Yeah, it says they are fucking children that don't have any interest in governing or reaching across the aisle.  They want their fascist dystopia and fuck a bunch of democracy.

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So there are 30 plus out of the 50 Republican senators that are voting "no" on all Biden appointments and will vote "no" on all bills like the Stimulus Package that just passed but the country is supposed to take them seriously that they want to govern as opposed to obstruct?   I get some of Trumps appointments got "no" votes from Democrats but that was because he literally found some of the most incompetent people to fill each role that were out there.  Dems didn't vote "no" on DeVoss because she said some mean things about them.  Instead they voted "no" for her because she had zero qualifications to run the Education department and her only goal was to destroy public education and move public money to private schools that she happens to have an investment in.   I would love for all the Trumpers still up in here to tell me why all of these Biden appointments deserve a "no" vote starting with Garland.  What is the reason for the 30 senators to say he is not a good choice to be Attorney General? 

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20 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

has anyone been paying attention to the whip count on deb?  i need to get my predictit situation organized.

I thought she had it sealed with Sens. Murkowski and Collins' signals they will vote for her.

Sen. Verruca Sinema can carry on with her cosplay fantasy.

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Manchin WILL vote for Becerra.  So he will pass, but they have to discharge him out of committee because the Finance committee deadlocked.  I'd say whatever the discharge vote is will be the final vote. 

Oddly enough, he got support from the Tennessee AG (a Republican) and the Louisiana AG (a Republican).  Not that it will change the minds of Cassidy, Kennedy, Blackburn and Hagerty. 

But hey, GOP Senators are running with him being EXTREME and he will implement his LIBERAL AGENDA by DARK MONEY GROUPS.  

I think this one MIGHT be the 50/50 tie vote confirmation, now that Neera is gone and Collins/Murkowski said yes to Haaland.   Romney is a NO on Becerra and Collins/Murkowski are "undecided." 

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17 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

she's going to get confirmed, but i need exact numbers here, smithers.

Well the motion to advance went 54-42.  Murkowski, Collins, Sullivan and LadyBug voted to advance it with all 50 Dems. 

So 52-54.  Not sure if Lady G and Sullivan will stick in the end.  Sullivan may, because Alaska has so many Natives and Murkowski and Don Young (House rep.) both support her. 

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Well the motion to advance went 54-42.  Murkowski, Collins, Sullivan and LadyBug voted to advance it with all 50 Dems. 

So 52-54.  Not sure if Lady G and Sullivan will stick in the end.  Sullivan may, because Alaska has so many Natives and Murkowski and Don Young (House rep.) both support her. 

so odd that cloture -> confirmation always tends to bleed 1-2 yes votes, but never the other way around.

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Haaland confirmed 51-40. Lotta people didn’t vote - the weekend weather in Colorado (2-3 feet of snow) may have kept Hickenlooper and Bennett from getting to DC to vote. 

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She had 4 GOP votes. So I’m guessing 3 Dem senators aren’t in DC.  

No Colorado or Wyoming senators made it to DC. Maze Hirono (HI) was the other Dem. a few other GOP didn’t vote - Rubio, Toomey, Haggerty and Marshall) 

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On 3/10/2021 at 9:20 PM, washparkhorn said:

I thought she had it sealed with Sens. Murkowski and Collins' signals they will vote for her.

Sen. Verruca Sinema can carry on with her cosplay fantasy.

Hmm.  Sinema and cosplay fantasies . . .

 

I'm glad she's a Dem and all but she seems to be a little too in love with herself. Homecoming Queen.  

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On 3/11/2021 at 2:38 PM, Js1 said:

Well the motion to advance went 54-42.  Murkowski, Collins, Sullivan and LadyBug voted to advance it with all 50 Dems. 

So 52-54.  Not sure if Lady G and Sullivan will stick in the end.  Sullivan may, because Alaska has so many Natives and Murkowski and Don Young (House rep.) both support her. 

Is Sullivan gay, too?

(NTTAWWT.  I'll be here all week).

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Schumer put Becerra's discharge on the floor, because it tied in committee.  It advanced 50-49.  This is likely now the Harris tiebreaker vote for confirmation, since Neera is out. 

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We have an HHS secretary!

50-49.

Collins voted yes to avoid a tie breaker; Maze Hirono did not vote.

Also Biden is nominating former FL Senator Bill Nelson has NASA administrator.  Longtime space advocate who actually has been in space and served as the top Democrat on the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/18/bill-nelson-nasa-476947

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Technically, since OMB is not an executive department, all of Biden's first choices for the 15 executive departments - Ag, Commerce, Defense, Ed, Enery, HHS, DHS, HUD, Interior, Labor, State, Transpo, Treasury, AG and VA - were confirmed. 

That hasn't happened since 1981. 

Trump 2017 - Pudzer (Labor)
Obama 2009- Daschle (HHS), Richardson (Commerce), Gregg (Commerce)
Bush 2001 - Chavez (Labor)
Clinton 1993 - Baird(AG)
Bush 1989 - Tower (Defense)
 

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Madow went scorched earth on Coryn for holding up Vanita Gupta's nomination to be the 3rd ranking official at Justice. Gupta was one of the attorneys who 20 years ago got the 46 black people (something like 10% of the black population of Tulia Texas) exonerated (and ultimately fully pardoned by Perry) after they served four years for drug crimes they never committed. The cop who investigated them lied on the stand, and was eventually charged with perjury and abuse of power. This cop was awarded the "top Texas lawman award" or some shit like that by then Texas attorney general......

 

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John Coryn.

 

more info about the Tulia 46 from wikipedia:

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Tulia gained notoriety following a drug sting in July 1999 that rounded up 46 people, 40 of whom were innocent African Americans.[8] The remaining detainees were Whites known to have ties within the Black community, and in fact lived in the "Black" part of town. Nearly one-third of Tulia's Black males were arrested, about 15% of the town's Black population.[9][10] All charges were based on the word of undercover officer Tom Coleman, a so-called "gypsy cop" who made his living traveling through impoverished rural Texas offering to work undercover cheaply for short periods of time for underfunded police departments. Coleman claimed to have made over 100 drug buys in the small town. He never recorded any of the sales, but claimed to have written painstaking notes on his leg under his shorts and upper arm under his shirt sleeve when nobody was looking.

During the roundup, no large sums of money, illegal drugs, drug paraphernalia, nor illegal weapons were found. The accused drug dealers showed no signs of having any income associated with selling drugs. The drugs Coleman claimed to have bought from the accused did not have the fingerprints of the accused on them or their baggies. No independent witnesses could corroborate Coleman's claims. In his testimony, Coleman gave inaccurate descriptions of the "dealers" from whom he had allegedly bought cocaine. One suspect had his charges dropped when he was able to prove he had been at work during the times he had supposedly sold Coleman cocaine. Another produced bank and phone records indicating she was in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, at the time of her alleged crime. Many of the accused, however, seeing the long sentences dealt by all-White juries in earlier cases, pled guilty in return for lighter sentences, despite their proclaimed innocence. The remaining defendants were convicted solely on the basis of Coleman's testimony. The Texas Department of Public Safety and Texas attorney general John Cornyn awarded "Lawman of the Year" to Coleman.[11][12][13]

Amarillo civil rights attorney Jeff Blackburn began investigating the Tulia defendants' cases,[14] along with civil rights organizations and a handful of attorneys from firms around the country.[15] Eventually, the case became a cause célèbre, and money was raised to legally challenge the cases. Many had already served several years in prison before this process gained momentum. By 2004, Blackburn and his team had freed most of the "Tulia 46" and a $6,000,000 collective settlement was reached to avoid further litigation in civil court. Local authorities remain defiant, promising their town will not become a "slot machine" in the face of a new lawsuit stemming from an alleged incident of police brutality during the sweep.[16][17]

In 2005, Coleman was convicted of perjury and sentenced to 10 years' probation and a $7,500 fine.[18]

Federal laws titled after Tulia have twice been introduced in the United States Congress, but not enacted, to increase the evidentiary standard required to convict a person for a drug offense and to require screening of law enforcement officers or others acting under color of law participating in drug task forces.[19]

 

 

 

In 2005, Coleman (the rogue cop) was convicted of perjury and sentenced to 10 years' probation and a $7,500 fine.

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