Abolish the filibuster!

[Bruh Man 3160]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I've been saying for months that they should abolish it immediately and don't need to worry about optics because they won't matter by November 2022, but the optics of the GOP filibustering the John Lewis Voting Rights Act are pretty undeniably good. Force that and then some public messaging about how the filibuster has historically been used by segregationists to deny black people the franchise, and you get the double whammy of being able to message both that the current GOP is actually no different from old school segregationists and that the filibuster is bad and has always been bad.

I'm not as optimistic as you are about how palatable this bill is to the public. Anytime a bill is targeted towards minorities there is pushback from White America. Always.

The ideal time to rip the bandaid off was when Republicans blocked the checks. Everybody can understand that without the tribal nonsense. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I've been saying for months that they should abolish it immediately and don't need to worry about optics because they won't matter by November 2022, but the optics of the GOP filibustering the John Lewis Voting Rights Act are pretty undeniably good. Force that and then some public messaging about how the filibuster has historically been used by segregationists to deny black people the franchise, and you get the double whammy of being able to message both that the current GOP is actually no different from old school segregationists and that the filibuster is bad and has always been bad.

Getting into a propaganda/perception war with the right around racism to abolish the filibuster is not a great idea and it’s not necessary when our elected officials can do it and explain why later. No one outside of insiders will miss the filibuster when it’s gone or advocate for its return. 

[SydneyCarton 47884]

3 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

I'm not as optimistic as you are about how palatable this bill is to the public. Anytime a bill is targeted towards minorities there is pushback from White America. Always.

The ideal time to rip the bandaid off was when Republicans blocked the checks. Everybody can understand that without the tribal nonsense. 

I mean, I'm sympathetic to your point. I get it. But to be perfectly honest, I understand why they didn't with the checks. I mean, that bill HAD to pass ASAP and they had a method to do it that didn't require repealing the filibuster and wasting more time. Benefits were about to expire. It made sense to do it the way they did it. And the fact that zero republicans voted for it has started the ball rolling, honestly. But yeah, checks woudl have been idea. But we coudln't wait any longer. 

[David Dennison 18660]

25 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

You think so? Chris Coons was on Joy Reid's show yesterday. She pushed him hard on the filibuster/HR1...his (non)answer was less than inspiring. He also completely ignored her question about voting rights, which was infuriating.

 

I'm pretty confident they are going to figure out a way to pass this bill and get it signed.

I have no idea how, but they have about a year to do it.

[bad_teammate 13132]

15 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

... I mean, that bill HAD to pass ASAP ...

Not calling you out specifically, but are COVID relief checks more urgent than black equality?

It's repetitive for me to keep quoting this, but...

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

 

[Queen Bitch 1692]

In the sense that there isn't an election tomorrow, yes. Covid relief 1A, voting rights 1B.

[SydneyCarton 47884]

31 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Not calling you out specifically, but are COVID relief checks more urgent than black equality?

It's repetitive for me to keep quoting this, but...

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

 

Yes. Because Black Equality can't be fixed with one bill, or overnight. But people can fail to have food to eat and resources to care for their children next week without stimulus money. And many of those folks are probably black. So yeah, it is more urgent than Black Equality because one is a problem that can be fixed fast and the other one is one that can't be fixed probably for generations under the best circumstances. 

[Js1 85110]

43 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Not calling you out specifically, but are COVID relief checks more urgent than black equality?

 

That was not the only thing in that bill, such as making sure the COVID unemployment supplement that expires on March 14th didn't lapse.   Or the tax-free component part of the 2020 unemployment benefits for people about to file taxes.  Child tax credit, EITC credit, childcare credit, ACA premium tax credits, the money for restaurants and shuttered music/arts venues, emergency rental assistance. 

But hey, distill it down to just "checks" and then you can say whatever you want! 

[bad_teammate 13132]

19 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Yes. Because Black Equality can't be fixed with one bill, or overnight. But people can fail to have food to eat and resources to care for their children next week without stimulus money. And many of those folks are probably black. So yeah, it is more urgent than Black Equality because one is a problem that can be fixed fast and the other one is one that can't be fixed probably for generations under the best circumstances. 

We're not talking about fixing all of black equality with one bill. We're talking about HR1.

We're talking about how anything that even smells like being focused on black Americans is hated by the right and resented by the center. As evidenced by the response to my simple question.

[SydneyCarton 47884]

51 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

We're not talking about fixing all of black equality with one bill. We're talking about HR1.

We're talking about how anything that even smells like being focused on black Americans is hated by the right and resented by the center. As evidenced by the response to my simple question.

Oh go fuck yourself. Fuck your implication towards me. 
 

we need to pass HR1 before 2022. I’m all for HR1. We needed to get cash in people’s hands yesterday. It’s not that fucking difficult to comprehend. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33843]

19 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Oh go fuck yourself. Fuck your implication towards me. 
 

we need to pass HR1 before 2022. I’m all for HR1. We needed to get cash in people’s hands yesterday. It’s not that fucking difficult to comprehend. 

apparently it is

[JimmyJames 12271]

HR1 will pass the senate sometime this year. In the meantime before that happens there will be a lot of bitching about why hasn’t HR1 passed yet.

Joe Cabot: So, you guys like to tell jokes, huh? Gigglin' and laughin' like a bunch of young broads sittin' in a schoolyard. Well, let me tell a joke. Four guys, sittin' in a bullpen, in San Quentin. All wondering how the fuck they got there. What should we have done, what didn't we do, who's fault is it, is it my fault, your fault, his fault, all that bullshit. Then one of them says, hey. Wait a minute. When we were planning this caper, all we did was sit around tellin' fuckin' jokes! Get the message? 

[TheStoicPaisano 9904]

I got Madonna’s big duck comin outta my left ear...

[Biff Tannen 45499]

16 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

I got Madonna’s big duck comin outta my left ear...

This is when we need a WINNER rep.

[Satchel 6908]

3 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

I've been saying for months that they should abolish it immediately and don't need to worry about optics because they won't matter by November 2022, but the optics of the GOP filibustering the John Lewis Voting Rights Act are pretty undeniably good. Force that and then some public messaging about how the filibuster has historically been used by segregationists to deny black people the franchise, and you get the double whammy of being able to message both that the current GOP is actually no different from old school segregationists and that the filibuster is bad and has always been bad.

Very much this^

[bad_teammate 13132]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Oh go fuck yourself. Fuck your implication towards me. 
 

we need to pass HR1 before 2022. I’m all for HR1. We needed to get cash in people’s hands yesterday. It’s not that fucking difficult to comprehend. 

It's not difficult to understand your point, no. But the problem is that you're so locked into believing it that you're not looking at the presumptions and also not looking at the history of this country.

Oh well, we'll see what happens.

I have no faith in the Democrats. COVID relief was a layup, so I'm not exactly ready to believe they've suddenly become legislative knife-fighters.

[David Dennison 18660]

41 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

It's not difficult to understand your point, no. But the problem is that you're so locked into believing it that you're not looking at the presumptions and also not looking at the history of this country.

Oh well, we'll see what happens.

I have no faith in the Democrats. COVID relief was a layup, so I'm not exactly ready to believe they've suddenly become legislative knife-fighters.

They are going to do everything they can to get the voting rights bill to the floor.

They have about a year to do it before mid-term campaigning really heats up and heavy legislation is put on hold.

[DonkeyCigars 144]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Oh go fuck yourself. Fuck your implication towards me. 
 

we need to pass HR1 before 2022. I’m all for HR1. We needed to get cash in people’s hands yesterday. It’s not that fucking difficult to comprehend. 

Was anyone implying anything towards you? Sheesh.

What is the deal with your irrational anger and lack of impulse control? Apologies in advance, in the likely chance you have a DSM-5 mental disorder, but some constructive feedback for you is it is very distracting when you fly off the handle and escalate for seemingly no reason. You've done it with me, I saw you did it with Jimmy and get owned, and then now this (heh, heh...NowThis...heh).

Please let's don't just respond with the predictable insults of how I'm stupid, vapid, or whatever those things are you like to repeat, but maybe try some mindfulness and breathing exercises. Anyways, I don't have anyone on ignore but I'm warning you mister, you are on the edge!

Edited March 12, 2021 by DonkeyCigars

[sidis 9754]

21 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Was anyone implying anything towards you? Sheesh.

What is the deal with your irrational anger and lack of impulse control? Apologies in advance, in the likely chance you have a DSM-5 mental disorder, but some constructive feedback for you is it is very distracting when you fly off the handle and escalate for seemingly no reason. You've done it with me, I saw you did it with Jimmy and get owned, and then now this (heh, heh...NowThis...heh).

Please let's don't just respond with the predictable insults of how I'm stupid, vapid, or whatever those things are you like to repeat, but maybe try some mindfulness and breathing exercises. Anyways, I don't have anyone on ignore but I'm warning you mister, you are on the edge!

I fear you may not “get” this place. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Kamala Harris’s replacement kinda rules.

 

[DonkeyCigars 144]

5 minutes ago, sidis said:

I fear you may not “get” this place. 

I guess not, because I feel like more than aligning to a team of politics, I find myself appreciating individual posters. Some rad awesome posters on here: Bad_teammate, Mole, ndawg, and longhornmatt, RDCanecutter, Wildcat, EuroHorn, etc. from who, if we could collectively stop half-listening, misreading posts, and spouting off like we are SME's, we might actually learn something. These guys are all over the map on political ideology. I wonder what they have in common? Is it just they write well, maybe?

Guys like Briskettexan and Sydney and JS1 and Bamagirl and myself, we are just noise. Hens clucking and getting in the way of the rational minds discussing the larger problems of the day. We should aim to grow beyond that, I think. 

Edited March 12, 2021 by DonkeyCigars

[sidis 9754]

21 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Some rad awesome posters on here:  EuroHorn

[DonkeyCigars 144]

Just now, sidis said:

Rank the best 64 Cloak Room posters by seed a la March Madness; EuroHorn is there!

[hobbes2702 12846]

6 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Rank the best 64 Cloak Room posters by seed a la March Madness; EuroHorn is there!

Well considering he and his friends left the cloak room because they couldn’t handle having to backup their arguments I’m gonna have to disagree.

[sidis 9754]

Just now, DonkeyCigars said:

Rank the best 64 Cloak Room posters by seed a la March Madness; EuroHorn is there!

he rarely posts in cloak room and the sum of his contributions on this entire site are posting pithy one-liners in DT-cloaked cloak room threads for morons targeted at lowest common denominator posters.  he is cheesseweasel with simple sentences instead of gifs.

i frankly don't have any recollections of many of your posts but if you think that eurohorn is a quality poster that has more to offer than most, then i suspect we won't agree on much else.

now good day to you, sir. 

[DonkeyCigars 144]

2 minutes ago, sidis said:

he rarely posts in cloak room and the sum of his contributions on this entire site are posting pithy one-liners in DT-cloaked cloak room threads for morons targeted at lowest common denominator posters.  he is cheesseweasel with simple sentences instead of gifs.

i frankly don't have any recollections of many of your posts but if you think that eurohorn is a quality poster that has more to offer than most, then i suspect we won't agree on much else.

now good day to you, sir. 

I said Good Day!

Have a great weekend; be well Siddy Boy!

[Biff Tannen 45499]

1 hour ago, DonkeyCigars said:

I guess not, because I feel like more than aligning to a team of politics, I find myself appreciating individual posters. Some rad awesome posters on here: Bad_teammate, Mole, ndawg, and longhornmatt, RDCanecutter, Wildcat, EuroHorn, etc. from who, if we could collectively stop half-listening, misreading posts, and spouting off like we are SME's, we might actually learn something. These guys are all over the map on political ideology. I wonder what they have in common? Is it just they write well, maybe?

Guys like Briskettexan and Sydney and JS1 and Bamagirl and myself, we are just noise. Hens clucking and getting in the way of the rational minds discussing the larger problems of the day. We should aim to grow beyond that, I think. 

I'm good for movie quotes, Seinfeld references, and general rage.

[SydneyCarton 47884]

4 hours ago, DonkeyCigars said:

Was anyone implying anything towards you? Sheesh.

What is the deal with your irrational anger and lack of impulse control? Apologies in advance, in the likely chance you have a DSM-5 mental disorder, but some constructive feedback for you is it is very distracting when you fly off the handle and escalate for seemingly no reason. You've done it with me, I saw you did it with Jimmy and get owned, and then now this (heh, heh...NowThis...heh).

Please let's don't just respond with the predictable insults of how I'm stupid, vapid, or whatever those things are you like to repeat, but maybe try some mindfulness and breathing exercises. Anyways, I don't have anyone on ignore but I'm warning you mister, you are on the edge!

Listen, yes, he was implying shit towards me. I’ve been around this site and it’s variants and it’s predecessors. I’ve been on the Longhorn boards for almost 20 years. I know the players. And you’re either a new idiot or an old one who was so unpopular they had to get a new handle. But we’ll assume it’s the former. When BT says “not you necessarily” and then proceeds to get preachy, he may as well be saying “with all due respect” before telling me to go fuck myself, Ricky Bobby style. 
 

sort of the way you love to play whataboutism and “just asking questions” before you start your shitty trolling. It’s all disingenuous bullshit. But at least BT has an ethos. And I’m sure in your little mind of course I’m getting owned, just like trump thinks he’s good at business. Or how you probably don’t think you’re a misogynist. People like you see what they want. 
 

 Neither my “anger” or my behavior is irrational, nor is it a result of poor impulse control. I’m just perfectly comfortable with identifying bullshit and pieces of shit posters and calling them such in no uncertain terms. And as I’ve said before, I just think you’re a piece of shit. Lots of posters here are pieces of shit. Fortunately they’re a minority, and that’s why this board is great, despite worthless intellectually dishonest fuckfaces such as yourself sticking around. You’re a garbage poster, and I believe you’re probably a garbage human. And as the folks who have met me before could attest, I’d have zero problem telling you that to your fucking face. So you can go violently fuck yourself with your breathing exercises, and your tips for my success here, because your’re mistaking a penchant for profanity and an ease with expressing my overwhelming contempt for you with poor impulse control or an elevated blood pressure. But by all means, put me on ignore. The less interactions I have with you the better, you unfunny and uninteresting twit.  Shit maybe I’ll just crowdsource you myself to take the uncertainty out of the equation. 

Edited March 13, 2021 by SydneyCarton

[StassneyHorn 6540]

^^^^
And thats what happens when you piss off a Recruiting board poster in CR

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by StassneyHorn
Carrots, not stars

[SydneyCarton 47884]

6 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

^^^^
And thats what happens when you piss off a Recruiting board poster in CR

 

Your recruiting board butthurt continues to be wildly amusing. And I say that as a guy who genuinely enjoys your posts here and think you’re a valuable contributor with a unique perspective. But you may as well be a DT poster bitching about the cloak room echo chamber with this shit. 

[StassneyHorn 6540]

Relax shithead

[SydneyCarton 47884]

2 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Relax shithead

 

 

[washparkhorn 9935]

5 hours ago, DonkeyCigars said:

I guess not, because I feel like more than aligning to a team of politics, I find myself appreciating individual posters. Some rad awesome posters on here: Bad_teammate, Mole, ndawg, and longhornmatt, RDCanecutter, Wildcat, EuroHorn, etc. from who, if we could collectively stop half-listening, misreading posts, and spouting off like we are SME's, we might actually learn something. These guys are all over the map on political ideology. I wonder what they have in common? Is it just they write well, maybe?

Guys like Briskettexan and Sydney and JS1 and Bamagirl and myself, we are just noise. Hens clucking and getting in the way of the rational minds discussing the larger problems of the day. We should aim to grow beyond that, I think. 

We chuckled over funny nonsense memes in DT. That was refreshing. Breaking bread.

Peace comes from listening and understanding. Go in peace and love.

Look away from the void. 

[washparkhorn 9935]

1 hour ago, StassneyHorn said:

^^^^
And thats what happens when you piss off a Recruiting board poster in CR

 

Wow.

My expectation of what happens on the Recruiting Board:

you guys may be doing it wrong . . . 

Edited March 13, 2021 by washparkhorn

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

6 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Kamala Harris’s replacement kinda rules.

This guy fucks

 

[Satchel 6908]

We need to elect more like him in ‘22.

[washparkhorn 9935]

5 minutes ago, Satchel said:

We need to elect more like him in ‘22.

Amen.

[DonkeyCigars 144]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Listen, yes, he was implying shit towards me. I’ve been around this site and it’s variants and it’s predecessors. I’ve been on the Longhorn boards for almost 20 years. I know the players. And you’re either a new idiot or an old one who was so unpopular they had to get a new handle. But we’ll assume it’s the former. When BT says “not you necessarily” and then proceeds to get preachy, he may as well be saying “with all due respect” before telling me to go fuck myself, Ricky Bobby style. 
 

sort of the way you love to play whataboutism and “just asking questions” before you start your shitty trolling. It’s all disingenuous bullshit. But at least BT has an ethos. And I’m sure in your little mind of course I’m getting owned, just like trump thinks he’s good at business. Or how you probably don’t think you’re a misogynist. People like you see what they want. 
 

 Neither my “anger” or my behavior is irrational, nor is it a result of poor impulse control. I’m just perfectly comfortable with identifying bullshit and pieces of shit posters and calling them such in no uncertain terms. And as I’ve said before, I just think you’re a piece of shit. Lots of posters here are pieces of shit. Fortunately they’re a minority, and that’s why this board is great, despite worthless intellectually dishonest fuckfaces such as yourself sticking around. You’re a garbage poster, and I believe you’re probably a garbage human. And as the folks who have met me before could attest, I’d have zero problem telling you that to your fucking face. So you can go violently fuck yourself with your breathing exercises, and your tips for my success here, because your’re mistaking a penchant for profanity and an ease with expressing my overwhelming contempt for you with poor impulse control or an elevated blood pressure. But by all means, put me on ignore. The less interactions I have with you the better, you unfunny and uninteresting twit.  Shit maybe I’ll just crowdsource you myself to take the uncertainty out of the equation. 

"Blah-badi-boo-blah, bah-badi-bloo-blah!"
I ain't hear a word you said: "Hippity hoopla!"

[washparkhorn 9935]

begone snail . . . 

[Queen Bitch 1692]

13 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

We're not talking about fixing all of black equality with one bill. We're talking about HR1.

We're talking about how anything that even smells like being focused on black Americans is hated by the right and resented by the center. As evidenced by the response to my simple question.

lol YOU'RE the one who whittled it down to those terms, but ok

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[immamac 42519]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Oh look a viable political strategy to disallow the weaponization of the filibuster while keeping it's intended purpose of allowing debate. What a novel fucking idea I wish someone else or a group of posters said this was the first step instead of just pushing the nuke button out of the gate! 

[bad_teammate 13132]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Oh look a viable political strategy to disallow the weaponization of the filibuster while keeping it's intended purpose of allowing debate. What a novel fucking idea I wish someone else or a group of posters said this was the first step instead of just pushing the nuke button out of the gate! 

I would be fascinated to know to whom this refers.

[bad_teammate 13132]

8 hours ago, Queen Bitch said:

lol YOU'RE the one who whittled it down to those terms, but ok

False.

I never argued that HR1 was going to fix black equality in one bill. If I was being as disingenuous as Sydney in that characterization I would say something like, "well COVID relief isn't going to fix shutdown-related financial suffering in one try!" But I try not to be a deliberate troll so I won't do that.

COVID relief is the layup. It's politically popular even among non-Democrats and it has a reconciliation process to avoid the filibuster. It could be done basically at any time the Democrats wanted. You can tell me about the urgency of the checks and I agree, but I don't consider HR1's impact for black Americans so obviously less urgent, especially given the natural roadblocks standing it its way that weaponization of COVID relief against the filibuster would help knock down.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[Satchel 6908]

The short term strategy for Democrats should be to pursue a return to the talking filibuster. Force Republicans to waste time talking against the John Lewis bill and then hold a simple majority vote on it. That’s a win in my book.

[sidis 9754]

On 3/12/2021 at 8:13 PM, SydneyCarton said:

Listen, yes, he was implying shit towards me. I’ve been around this site and it’s variants and it’s predecessors. I’ve been on the Longhorn boards for almost 20 years. I know the players. And you’re either a new idiot or an old one who was so unpopular they had to get a new handle. But we’ll assume it’s the former. When BT says “not you necessarily” and then proceeds to get preachy, he may as well be saying “with all due respect” before telling me to go fuck myself, Ricky Bobby style. 
 

sort of the way you love to play whataboutism and “just asking questions” before you start your shitty trolling. It’s all disingenuous bullshit. But at least BT has an ethos. And I’m sure in your little mind of course I’m getting owned, just like trump thinks he’s good at business. Or how you probably don’t think you’re a misogynist. People like you see what they want. 
 

 Neither my “anger” or my behavior is irrational, nor is it a result of poor impulse control. I’m just perfectly comfortable with identifying bullshit and pieces of shit posters and calling them such in no uncertain terms. And as I’ve said before, I just think you’re a piece of shit. Lots of posters here are pieces of shit. Fortunately they’re a minority, and that’s why this board is great, despite worthless intellectually dishonest fuckfaces such as yourself sticking around. You’re a garbage poster, and I believe you’re probably a garbage human. And as the folks who have met me before could attest, I’d have zero problem telling you that to your fucking face. So you can go violently fuck yourself with your breathing exercises, and your tips for my success here, because your’re mistaking a penchant for profanity and an ease with expressing my overwhelming contempt for you with poor impulse control or an elevated blood pressure. But by all means, put me on ignore. The less interactions I have with you the better, you unfunny and uninteresting twit.  Shit maybe I’ll just crowdsource you myself to take the uncertainty out of the equation. 

[Biff Tannen 45499]

44 minutes ago, Satchel said:

The short term strategy for Democrats should be to pursue a return to the talking filibuster. Force Republicans to waste time talking against the John Lewis bill and then hold a simple majority vote on it. That’s a win in my book.

Wait, why would it be a simple majority?  Would it not still require 60?

[A-Tex Devil 2445]

38 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Wait, why would it be a simple majority?  Would it not still require 60?

It's 60 votes to override the filibuster.  Once they stop filibustering, it's just a majority.  

Edited March 15, 2021 by A-Tex Devil

[Biff Tannen 45499]

30 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

It's 60 votes to override the filibuster.  Once they stop filibustering, it's just a majority.  

And I learned something today.