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1 hour ago, slorch said:

They are not free.  They are subsidized.

Only certain things are subsidized and that subsidy comes from student fees so unless you’ve enrolled at UT, they’re not subsidized by you.

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Apparently this thing has got some legs (though little iddy bitty ones), UTCC felt the need to backtrack/er, clarify last night.:

UTNews 

Statement on MasculinUT

April 29, 2018

 

Statement from The University of Texas at Austin:

The MasculinUT program does not treat masculinity as a “mental health issue,” and any such statements are simply not accurate. It was established to bring more men to the table to address interpersonal violence, sexual assault and other issues.

Like other UT programs related to sexual assault and interpersonal violence, MasculinUT is housed administratively in the university’s Counseling and Mental Health Center. Its goals include helping men explore ways to reduce sexual violence, helping students take responsibility for their actions, and fostering healthier relationships on campus and beyond.

These are important goals that we strongly stand behind. It has become clear that some of the communication and discussion surrounding MasculinUT did not convey this fully or clearly and was not effective at reaching the broad audiences the program envisioned. As a result, we will be reviewing the website and other content to ensure that it serves the program’s goals and will make any appropriate changes as we receive feedback from stakeholders.

Earlier this year, The University of Texas System Board of Regents approved funding for mental health, student safety, and alcohol-related initiatives including efforts to reduce sexual assaults on campus. The new staff position that will oversee this program, and coordinate with other UT System schools, is part of those efforts funded by the Regents.

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So, the "Masculinity Director" is funded by Regents' funding on mental health issues, but this isn't a mental health issue.  Oh, I get it.
LOL, must be getting some pretty salty calls/emails from money people.  Just fucking own it, don't put out conflicting shit like this.

Anyway, after 24 hours, no one is going to give a flying fuck about this and certainly 99,9% of UT students will forget and/or be completely unaware that this thing exists.

 
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this is a question of mental health.  what we should be doing is providing counseling and psychotherapy to these people instead of trying to turn biology on its head by throwing hormones at them.  

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why use therapies to change a man that feels like a woman to a woman rather than use therapies to change a man who feels like a woman to one that feels like a man?

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On 4/28/2018 at 8:53 AM, Horny04 said:

Has shaggy  Surly become too PC for me to express my true feelings about this and say that it is bullshit?

Especially this quote 

Basic healthcare things?  GMAFB

My thoughts also.

 

I have a diabetic child.  I don't expect his college health center to meet those needs, we found him a local endocrinologist.  You know, someone that specializes in diabetic care.  Not the quack shack where you go to get a prescription for sinus medicine in allergy season.

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Posted
1 hour ago, troph said:

Wrong wrong wrong.  So wrong one wrong isn’t enough.  Difference is what makes us bad ass.  You be a masculine guy and do your thing.  Let the rest of us do our thing.  

I’ve spent damn well near a decade in therapy, I’m very clear on who I am and so are the rest of us that don’t adhere to the norms.  It actually takes a ton of courage and work and perseverance to stand up and be who you are when you aren’t like the model of what a man is supposed to be.  

You’ll get your women and I’ll get mine and if those guys want guys they’ll get theirs.  It’s really easy once your try it, let people be who they are, humanity will be so much better for it.

 

The problem is the "difference" you speak of has turned into ideology that denies fundamental scientific realities about our existence. Radical leftists on campus aren't just working to normalize and treat the issues  trans people are facing. They're seeking to break down fundamental truths about our biology. Its dangerous and its wrong, and Im sick of our school being ground zero for this kind of pathology. 

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15 minutes ago, troph said:

lol.

you know nothing about the shit you're talking about.  nothing.  estrogen therapy has made my life worth living.  the more normalized trans existence becomes, the easier healthcare is to access, and the more routine our care becomes, the better we are for it.  every single mainstream mental health and medical association agrees, every single one of them.  the *only* organizations that oppose trans care as it's is given today are the ideological conservative organizations that put ideology over science and patient care.

Its not the treatment thats the problem. Its the conversation around trans people and the way we classify their need for treatment. If you needed estrogen to live a normal life I'm glad that you got it, and I want others to receive the same treatment as well. But anyone who needs hormone therapy in order to lead a mentally stable life has a disorder. If we would call it what it is, the proper level of empathy for those who need the treatment would be fostered just like it is for any other disorder. It's not these individuals fault, some wires got crossed in the womb and we have the science to set it right. No different than the vast list of other disorders we have learned to treat. 

As someone who has received this treatment, do you find the above offensive?

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Just now, troph said:

I don't think the term "disorder" is appropriate given the  discrimination we face.  and the current view among the medical and mental health professional associations is that it's not a mental illness or a disorder, per se.  semantics maybe, but it's easier to think I'm less than if you see me as having some disorder.  do I have a medical condition requiring treatment?  obviously yes.  did wires get crossed?  yeah.  is my DNA different?  yeah.  but I was effectively cured with a script for T-blockers and estrogen.  it's an easier treatment all told than my sons treatment for ADHD.  The simplicity of my treatment protocol is ironic given the conversation around it and the treatment of us in broader society.

See I think your first sentence is the problem. By its most basic definition its a disorder of some kind. While it might not originate in the brain it certainly affects it, to the point that suicide is a real concern. To me that means the stakes are pretty high and we should be very precise in the language we use to talk about whats going on inside the body. Its very similar to disorders that are classified as mental, in that the conversation needs to be much more honest and open. Depression is a huge issue, and yet the average person doesn't even know what it is and how it can be treated with medicine to improve actual physical interactions in the brain. 

When I hear about someone like yourself I think to myself, man that sucks for that person. When I realize its very treatable I think to myself thats great I hope treatment goes well and they can get back on track. When I see the identity politics crowd use someone with this condition to bolster their own narrative, red flags go up quickly. 

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Kids don't just ask for HRT and receive it. There are a LOT of hoops to jump through. In many areas and with many cases, the delay for patients to receive treatment causes harm in itself. Even with my relatively limited clinical knowledge on the subject, I know that much. Further more, I think it does transgender people a great disservice to classify them alongside alcoholics, porn addicts, cutters (which include some transgender people), and other negative "life styles." Like, please. It wasn't that long ago that the first three letters in LGBT were considered "disordered."

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1 hour ago, Caddox said:

See I think your first sentence is the problem. By its most basic definition its a disorder of some kind. While it might not originate in the brain it certainly affects it, to the point that suicide is a real concern. To me that means the stakes are pretty high and we should be very precise in the language we use to talk about whats going on inside the body. Its very similar to disorders that are classified as mental, in that the conversation needs to be much more honest and open. Depression is a huge issue, and yet the average person doesn't even know what it is and how it can be treated with medicine to improve actual physical interactions in the brain. 

When I hear about someone like yourself I think to myself, man that sucks for that person. When I realize its very treatable I think to myself thats great I hope treatment goes well and they can get back on track. When I see the identity politics crowd use someone with this condition to bolster their own narrative, red flags go up quickly. 

So here’s the problem with your argument. You start talking about identity politics as if it’s out to get you and that raises my red flags. It tells me you aren’t interested in Tropheus getting any kind of treatment to make her whole. You want her to be broken so you can say you stood up to those identity politics bullies. I want Tropheus to live her life to the fullest, free from stigma. I want all of her trans brothers and sisters to be treated the same way. I want all of her gay brothers and sisters to be treated the same way. I want all of her straight brothers and sisters to be treated the same way. If that means I’m playing identity politics then I’m playing identity politics. But medical care should not be a political issue. If you have figured out how to make it political, you are doing it wrong. 

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35 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

So here’s the problem with your argument. You start talking about identity politics as if it’s out to get you and that raises my red flags. It tells me you aren’t interested in Tropheus getting any kind of treatment to make her whole. You want her to be broken so you can say you stood up to those identity politics bullies. I want Tropheus to live her life to the fullest, free from stigma. I want all of her trans brothers and sisters to be treated the same way. I want all of her gay brothers and sisters to be treated the same way. I want all of her straight brothers and sisters to be treated the same way. If that means I’m playing identity politics then I’m playing identity politics. But medical care should not be a political issue. If you have figured out how to make it political, you are doing it wrong. 

You clearly didnt read a single thing I wrote bc I clearly said I want these people to get the treatment they need and I want them to be treated with the same dignity we all receive when receiving treatment for our health issues. And I didn't figure out how to make it political, the entire issue is incredibly politically charged. Pretending like its not at this point is silly. 

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19 minutes ago, Caddox said:

You clearly didnt read a single thing I wrote bc I clearly said I want these people to get the treatment they need and I want them to be treated with the same dignity we all receive when receiving treatment for our health issues. And I didn't figure out how to make it political, the entire issue is incredibly politically charged. Pretending like its not at this point is silly. 

It’s politically charged because conservatives decided that they don’t need science to decide how we should live our lives. They did it with the gays and they are doing it with trans people. They also complain about identity politics while they are deriding those of us that are different and giving us a single option. Turn straight, or to your birth gender, or receive our scorn. So when you complain about identity politics you are just carrying on in the conservative tradition we have grown to appreciate as a barricade to our mental health. I don’t trust that you meant the rest of what you said because of the loaded terms you used up front. Those terms speak to politicization of medical treatment, and that is the absolute wrong way to look at this. 

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19 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

It’s politically charged because conservatives decided that they don’t need science to decide how we should live our lives. They did it with the gays and they are doing it with trans people. They also complain about identity politics while they are deriding those of us that are different and giving us a single option. Turn straight, or to your birth gender, or receive our scorn. So when you complain about identity politics you are just carrying on in the conservative tradition we have grown to appreciate as a barricade to our mental health. I don’t trust that you meant the rest of what you said because of the loaded terms you used up front. Those terms speak to politicization of medical treatment, and that is the absolute wrong way to look at this. 

So you're going with "I don't believe you." Good talk. 

Posted
8 hours ago, troph said:

Thankfully your views are archaic and already in the minority.

If you put public funding of tranny conversion and hormone therapies to a popular vote, there is zero chance it would prevail.

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1 hour ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

It’s politically charged because conservatives decided that they don’t need science to decide how we should live our lives. They did it with the gays and they are doing it with trans people. They also complain about identity politics while they are deriding those of us that are different and giving us a single option. Turn straight, or to your birth gender, or receive our scorn. So when you complain about identity politics you are just carrying on in the conservative tradition we have grown to appreciate as a barricade to our mental health. I don’t trust that you meant the rest of what you said because of the loaded terms you used up front. Those terms speak to politicization of medical treatment, and that is the absolute wrong way to look at this. 

Not true.

 

The dispute is what I should be on the hook for financially.

 

IDGAF about what you or anyone else wants to call themselves.  Do it on your own fucking dime.

 

Just like everything else right now, this is not about freedom.  It's about extracting some sick sense of "retribution" against people who might disagree.  

 

Do whatever the fuck you want.  Don't tell me to pay for it.

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14 minutes ago, slorch said:

Not true.

 

The dispute is what I should be on the hook for financially.

 

IDGAF about what you or anyone else wants to call themselves.  Do it on your own fucking dime.

 

Just like everything else right now, this is not about freedom.  It's about extracting some sick sense of "retribution" against people who might disagree.  

 

Do whatever the fuck you want.  Don't tell me to pay for it.

Man, you really don't want to know what your health insurance premiums are paying for.

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22 minutes ago, slorch said:

If you put public funding of tranny conversion and hormone therapies to a popular vote, there is zero chance it would prevail.

Which is exactly why we don't put issues that affect minority groups up to a popular vote.

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8 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Man, you really don't want to know what your health insurance premiums are paying for.

My health insurance is a group policy, not administered or funded  by the state.

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Which is exactly why we don't put issues that affect minority groups up to a popular vote.

I wasn't suggesting a vote. either.

 

Troph said my views are outdated and dwindling.  'tis false.

 

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