TEXAS QB TALK

[BurntOrange&White 40436]

The readers of IT are melting down over this. 

[Burt Macklin 19095]

47 minutes ago, immamac said:

No, that can't possibly be right. I'm just a drunk retard. 

[Publiushorn 113]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The readers of IT are melting down over this. 

Watching IT come crashing back down to earth after they were sucking their own dicks for signing Card when he was announced as the starter is fun. Those guys get good info but they still need to be hoe checked sometimes. 

[HtownHorn 14916]

1 hour ago, Tex-19 said:

The fact that Sark wasted no time naming Casey as the new starter says a lot about Card's performance Saturday. Sark clearly watched the film and didn't like what he saw.

I still think Card will be a baller over time. Just needs more experience

I think it is likely Card never is the full time starter again at Texas, especially if Texas gets Arch.

[Gene Parmesan 4022]

10 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Where did I say leave a shit QB out there? Maybe the problem is your reading comprehension.

Everyone is probably on the same page.  There isn't a good strategy if both QBs are going to be shitting the bed against mediocre teams.

[LTtxfan 49404]

2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

We’re not talking power run game types of runs. Just take off when your reads aren’t there, slide to avoid being hit, and move the chains. He has a really bad tendency to run horizontal when there are lanes because he’s trying too hard to look down field to pass when he has 10-15 yards of open grass in front. That is causing defenders to be able to close on him and limit gains. 

Regarding Card running to help extend drives -- not a power running QB

 

[6th Street 6572]

Sam was brilliant at that - used to take off and gain 7-8 yards regularly when his WR were covered. Hudson runs sideways. Looked like Ben Simmons

[Tex-19 2885]

8 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

I think it is likely Card never is the full time starter again at Texas, especially if Texas gets Arch.

Disagree unless he transfers. Card is young and inexperienced but was the starter for a reason. He has better tools and must have been better in practice. Just needs more experience.

[closetohumping 17547]

17 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The readers of IT are melting down over this. 

Are those lemmings not allowed to disagree from the mods?

[LTtxfan 49404]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

No, that can't possibly be right. I'm just a drunk retard. 

[Horn Dogg 4172]

Time to pull out the old #11 Ricky Williams jersey again.  This #11 has gone a long way over the years!  (Don’t worry, I won’t actually wear it, I’m at polo shirt age now).

[LTtxfan 49404]

1 hour ago, sith_horn said:

No, that can't possibly be right. I'm just a drunk retard captain caveman. 

[closetohumping 17547]

TFB is also against this move.

[elguapo 4587]

If the 9.95ers are against it then I like the move even more.

 

[BurntOrange&White 40436]

12 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Are those lemmings not allowed to disagree from the mods?

They 1000% bought into and hung onto everything the mods said and now with Casey being the starter it's meltdown time because they feel that it's Card's birth right to be the starting QB because of the mods all spring/summer

[Pig Bellmont 8746]

I don’t care how strong Card’s arm strength is if he’s missing wide open guys downfield and not seeing where to go with the ball. Give Thompson a shot and let’s see how the team does against TCU - the next defense with a pulse. 
 

IT melting down over this is hilarious and predictable. Sorry you gave that NIL money to Card…

[Slacks 6917]

3 hours ago, Tex-19 said:

Everyone needs to put things in perspective and have some patience with Hudson. Casey might be the better option right now, idk, but it's idiotic to write off Card completely (most of you aren't doing that, but still). This type of impatience and shortsightedness is fucking toxic in the era of social media.

Card was in his 2nd game ever, after a redshirt year where he didn't even get 2nd string reps, learning a brand new system, in a very hostile environment, with WR drops, shit pass pro and shit run game. 

Give him time. Sark is a QB mastermind and Card has the tools. Most of the issues yesterday were related to inexperience (pocket presence, going through progressions) and were exacerbated by the lack of help around him. Maybe he needs some time at backup until he gets more comfortable in the offense, but he still has a very bright future. 

So... if you want to give a RS-FR time to adjust, start him and lose games now, so he's ready in the future.  

Not my horse to die on... 

 

(this one is mine, mix your own damn metaphors...)

[C-Man 27347]

34 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Looked like Ben Simmons

Can't hit a jump shot?

[SEC 1174]

2 hours ago, capnamerca said:

It's also a MAJOR departure from how our previous two coaches operated, in a good way. 

*three

[MajorTexas 69]

1 hour ago, Had Enough said:

We need to get Whittington over his dropsies. He is a star in the making. The dude gets open and works like an RB with the ball in his hands. Needs about 10 targets a game. He’s the guy that can open up the run game too.

The Oline may not have been good, but we missed on big play after big play. Hit two of those and it’s a different game. It was 23-7 late 3rd when the 4th down happened. If we’re sitting at 23-17 there, who knows where it goes. The Oline was not the issue in the 2nd half. That doesn’t mean they were great, but they had found some footing.

J witt needs this 

[immamac 43555]

42 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Are those lemmings not allowed to disagree from the mods?

Our mods fight with each other here at Surly Horns. 

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2646]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The readers of IT are melting down over this. 

Screenshots pls. 

[Tex-19 2885]

34 minutes ago, Snacks said:

So... if you want to give a RS-FR time to adjust, start him and lose games now, so he's ready in the future.  

Not my horse to die on... 

 

(this one is mine, mix your own damn metaphors...)

I didn't say Card should be the starter now. He will get valuable reps in practice too. Just saying people shouldn't be writing off his future.

[Duane Moore 5338]

50 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

TFB is also against this move.

Is Darius Terrell still with TFB? Because before the season when he was on the 4th & 5 podcast with @OnAComputer he was definitely pumping Casey to get the starting job. 

[XForce 218]

41 minutes ago, Snacks said:

So... if you want to give a RS-FR time to adjust, start him and lose games now, so he's ready in the future.  

Not my horse to die on... 

 

(this one is mine, mix your own damn metaphors...)

Imagine if this was HS and the coach’s mentality is giving the freshman reps will pay off down the road versus starting the Junior. This is happening at my old high school and it’s causing a GD revolt. Played the Junior this week and won as the underdog. 
 

I want to win now. Fuck this helping Card down the road. Card hits Whittington and Worthy when they’re wide open, the game is different. They couldn’t get any momentum. Also when they’re dropping 8 and LBs are 10 yards off, tuck the ball and get some yardage. 
Thanks for attending my Surly talk. 

[Slacks 6917]

19 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

I didn't say Card should be the starter now. He will get valuable reps in practice too. Just saying people shouldn't be writing off his future.

ah... yeah... i don't know about his future. he could end up winning a super bowl ring like Garrett Gilbert... I know he isn't going to win one this year.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18655]

2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

The only thing dumber than people whining about Card being yanked is all the knuckleheads on this board who think Thompson is a great QB based on one half where he made plenty of mistakes.

One mistake. One bad pass late into the flat that should have been intercepted. Otherwise, he played the best half of football at QB in a Texas uniform since Colt McCoy. But I'm not going to quibble with the overall tenor of the comment because we have a way, way too small sample size with Thompson.

Regardless, I've been pulling for Casey the entire time because there really would be nothing in the world sweeter than beating OU's ass in the Cottonbowl with Charles Thompson's kid as our QB. 

[Chuckie Finster 22759]

6 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

One mistake. One bad pass late into the flat that should have been intercepted. Otherwise, he played the best half of football at QB in a Texas uniform since Colt McCoy. But I'm not going to quibble with the overall tenor of the comment because we have a way, way too small sample size with Thompson.

Regardless, I've been pulling for Casey the entire time because there really would be nothing in the world sweeter than beating OU's ass in the Cottonbowl with Charles Thompson's kid as our QB. 

This is what I keep coming back to.  There's no fucking way Casey walks into the Cotton Bowl with the same shell-shocked look that we saw from most of our team on Saturday.  He knows what that game means, so let's get him the reps to make the most of it.

 

[Huckleberry 33523]

8 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

One mistake. One bad pass late into the flat that should have been intercepted. Otherwise, he played the best half of football at QB in a Texas uniform since Colt McCoy. But I'm not going to quibble with the overall tenor of the comment because we have a way, way too small sample size with Thompson.

Regardless, I've been pulling for Casey the entire time because there really would be nothing in the world sweeter than beating OU's ass in the Cottonbowl with Charles Thompson's kid as our QB. 

This is incorrect. It's possible to make mistakes on plays that don't have bad results. The long touchdown pass to Dixon in the Alamo bowl was a wobbling duck that was underthrown by 4 yards, for example. The mistakes Thompson has made in his limited playing time are not as likely to kill drives as Card's, but he has absolutely made plenty. Hopefully he works those out soon and starts playing as well as lots of this board erroneously thinks he already has.

[HtownHorn 14916]

5 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

This is incorrect. It's possible to make mistakes on plays that don't have bad results. The long touchdown pass to Dixon in the Alamo bowl was a wobbling duck that was underthrown by 4 yards, for example. The mistakes Thompson has made in his limited playing time are not as likely to kill drives as Card's, but he has absolutely made plenty. Hopefully he works those out soon and starts playing as well as lots of this board erroneously thinks he already has.

Yeah he threw that off his back foot, he also threw early enough in the route that it allowed a wide open receiver to adjust to it and still run away from the defender.

[Happy Gilmore 1001]

1 hour ago, closetohumping said:

Are those lemmings not allowed to disagree from the mods?

Gang type mentality over there. You disagree and everyone piles on. The infatuation of Hudson over there by the posters is pretty fucking weird. 

[immamac 43555]

With Casey at QB you will never see another performance like we did the first half of Arkansas, I'm very confident in this assessment.

[Tex-19 2885]

One factor to remember - Casey had 3 years of practicing Herman's offense by the Alamo Bowl. Neither QB has that right now which makes a big difference.

[closetohumping 17547]

5 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

One factor to remember - Casey had 3 years of practicing Herman's offense by the Alamo Bowl. Neither QB has that right now which makes a big difference.

and yet, Casey looked better last week.  Everything looked better when he was in there.  I know, tired defense and all...

[Mitch Cumsteen 18655]

24 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

This is incorrect. It's possible to make mistakes on plays that don't have bad results. The long touchdown pass to Dixon in the Alamo bowl was a wobbling duck that was underthrown by 4 yards, for example. The mistakes Thompson has made in his limited playing time are not as likely to kill drives as Card's, but he has absolutely made plenty. Hopefully he works those out soon and starts playing as well as lots of this board erroneously thinks he already has.

I hope he keeps making more of those mistakes that end up in long touchdowns. We need a lot more of those types of mistakes and fewer of the kind that end up with us getting our heads kicked in by a bunch of sister fucking hillbillies on national TV.

[Funk Doctor Spock 12796]

3 hours ago, Tex-19 said:

Card probably is the better practice player because of his natural tools but yeah the inexperience came out on gameday. He needs time to get more comfortable in the pocket and running the offense. Some extra time observing should be good for him. Casey doesn't have much non-garbage game tape either but seems to be a gamer, so could def be the better option now.

Considering all that, not too surprising Sark chose Card initially. I'm actually a little surprised he didn't make Rice basically a 50/50 open competition game and keep Card as starter one more week to restore some confidence, but Casey probably the right choice for now.

I agree with you. My thoughts are if it were so close why not go with the guy who has more experience (albeit miniscule) over potential, especially against a team who absolutely loathes Texas. Regardless, I still think Card is the guy long-term, but I think he needs to sit and watch for a bit. We knew he would have an up and down season being it's his first and all. Like Casey, I think Card just needs to come off the bench in mop up duty just to get a feel for the speed of the game. I don't know how Casey will play, but he seems like he has something to prove, so let's hope that translates into wins. The season isn't a wash and there is plenty of time for Card to learn. 

[Fondren & Main 6759]

Sark's QB pick to start the season is reminiscent of this scene:

[Tylerocks 2557]

I can't imagine anyone watching that game Saturday and NOT agreeing with giving Casey a shot.

[CurlyDumps 4538]

I trust Sark with the decision. I wouldn’t have pitched a fit if he stuck with Card.  To me, the change suggests Sark saw some pretty catastrophic shit on the field. Like cratering the entire offense with indecisive play, which he basically spelled out in the PC.

The change is also a tacit admission that it was a mistake to not play Casey sooner.

[JBJ 3684]

Card's feet in the pocket on Saturday were a stark contrast from Casey's.  I mean passing feet, not scrambling.  Casey got his base quickly, took small chops to work his progression, always ready to throw.

Card's feet looked wide and hoppy and never quite set right to throw.  If there were imtermediate routes breaking open, Card didn't look ready to pull the trigger.

[alincoln 2385]

Better late than never.

[JesusSweatDuck 17814]

56 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

and yet, Casey looked better last week.  Everything looked better when he was in there.  I know, tired defense and all...

There's no way arky's defense was tired.  They were hardly on the field because of all of the 3 and outs by Card.

[Longhornlove 4923]

2 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

I think it is likely Card never is the full time starter again at Texas, especially if Texas gets Arch.

I think you are wrong but I don't matter

[D_Goose 489]

5 hours ago, Starfleet Command said:

lol Ian is so dug in on Card.  

 

Sark could evaluate Card and Thompson in nothing but practice scenarios for 80 months and still land on Card, but the thing about all that is there's no way to simulate and then know how a QB will respond to the type of environment he faced on Saturday until he actually does. Hall of Fame practice player, and all that...

[immamac 43555]

How pissed off do you think Sam Ehlinger is right now about the loss? 

 

[UTEE97 3766]

3 hours ago, Tex-19 said:

Disagree unless he transfers. Card is young and inexperienced but was the starter for a reason. He has better tools and must have been better in practice. Just needs more experience.

This staff was familiar with Card even before they got here. Jeff Banks was his primary recruiter at Bama. IMHO They were always going to learn more towards Card unless Casey set the stage on fire. Now it seems like we wasted valuable reps in practice splitting between the two QBs instead of choosing one as the starter early on and giving him the majority of the reps. Both of our QBs are raw so the starter perhaps could have used the additional reps.

[oldhorn2 437]

ok....for sure out Oline sucked, our Def line sucked and not much worked.....but even with all this....had we had STELLAR QB play, we would have won that game!...Y'all know thats true. A stellar QB can make up for all kinds of deficiencies.

 

Well, we aint got a stellar QB. Nowhere near it. I just want a guy that may help us win games. Right now I fear Card aint that guy. I dont know if Casey is either, but I am willing to bet he might be closer than Card.....right now...

[hookem48 4717]

4 hours ago, immamac said:

With Casey at QB you will never see another performance like we did the first half of Arkansas, I'm very confident in this assessment.

well yeah we don't have to play them again

[hookem48 4717]

Casey will run for his life a lot sooner than Card and that's what we need.

[Hank Kingsley 21083]

I hope Casey ends up being awesome, but the way some of y'all talk about him makes me wonder how ya'll got the secret game tapes of him succeeding at this level outside of one half of a bowl game.