TEXAS QB TALK

[BurntOrange&White 39,934]

16 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

 

Must have been after the first interception 

[Cajun 11,722]

26 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Must have been after the only interception 

Fify

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On 8/26/2022 at 4:44 PM, LTtxfan said:

 

[TwiceHorn 31,511]

No new thoughts here, but I have been a bit skeptical of the Ewers saga.  The "skip senior year/commit to Texas/commit to OSU/portal to Texas" deal doesn't look real good to me.

He did pretty well last night, although the deep balls were troubling.  And I didn't see a lot of evidence of his spectacularness.  But he did the needful as our Indian brethren would say.

He does seem like a very cool customer behind the line of scrimmage, maybe too cool.  But until our OL coheres, that's got to be a plus.

[Dahobbs 17,627]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

No new thoughts here, but I have been a bit skeptical of the Ewers saga.  The "skip senior year/commit to Texas/commit to OSU/portal to Texas" deal doesn't look real good to me.

He did pretty well last night, although the deep balls were troubling.  And I didn't see a lot of evidence of his spectacularness.  But he did the needful as our Indian brethren would say.

He does seem like a very cool customer behind the line of scrimmage, maybe too cool.  But until our OL coheres, that's got to be a plus.

That one dart on the run to the 5 yard line was pretty spectacular. In no way did it look like it should work, but he was able to get a ton of velocity on the ball with a very truncated motion. 

[The Ace of Aces 5,193]

Last night showed that Hudson card has no business anywhere near a football field. 

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3 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

Last night showed that Hudson card has no business anywhere near a football field. 

Correct. 

[Had Enough 2,083]

Last night showed that Hudson card has no business anywhere near a football field. 

Last night? No.

[The Deuce 1,094]

24 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

Last night showed that Hudson card has no business anywhere near a football field. 

Rumor is that it’s all psychological. He apparently freaks out and loses the ability to control his bowels when he believes he’s on a “football field”. Specialists have been tossing around the idea that if one could simply get Hudson to believe he’s on a “practice field”, rather than a “football field”, it’s a complete 180.

[dcar00 14,316]

Ewers looked good.  Like all QB's his gonna miss some throws.  the biggest thing was how he moved in the pocket. Sure it was ULM so the protection is going to be good but you can tell the game isn't too fast for him.  He was late to Worthy before the half because he didn't react quite fast enough to the DB going flat footed on Worthy.  probably a bit gun shy not wanting to throw INT and give up FG chance.

Bama is a whole different kettle of fish, so not going to get to concerned if we can't hold up the rush.   It's chalked up as a loss and maybe a blowout by the media so hopefully the team comes out with the nothing to lose attitude.

[dcar00 14,316]

Also, the pump fake to nobody on the little flare to Sanders in the second half was more excellent situational awareness while moving.

[Texasrocks 2,148]

Ewers wasn't great, but he didn't panic after a really bad start and his decision-making got better as the game went on. It would have been nice to see him connect on a couple of deep throws, but otherwise he did well for his first start.

[The Ace of Aces 5,193]

18 minutes ago, The Deuce said:

Rumor is that it’s all psychological. He apparently freaks out and loses the ability to control his bowels when he believes he’s on a “football field”. Specialists have been tossing around the idea that if one could simply get Hudson to believe he’s on a “practice field”, rather than a “football field”, it’s a complete 180.

You joke but it seems Card has serious stage fright. 

[BurntOrange&White 39,934]

Can’t be bothered to get the play from another angle but we haven’t had a QB make this type of throw since Colt. Big time NFL placement. 

[thunderlounge 7,890]

I was just ecstatic to see someone taking snaps that didn’t move like that fucking nintendo robot. 
 

[Cajun 11,722]

3 hours ago, The Ace of Aces said:

Last night showed that Hudson card has no business anywhere near a football field. 

He’s pure ass.  Dude cannot hang in D1

[Cajun 11,722]

2 hours ago, Texasrocks said:

Ewers wasn't great, but he didn't panic after a really bad start and his decision-making got better as the game went on. It would have been nice to see him connect on a couple of deep throws, but otherwise he did well for his first start.

All of his deep overthrows sure were pretty though.

[Jkwellborn 6,713]

I was just ecstatic to see someone taking snaps that didn’t move like that fucking nintendo robot. 
 

Have some rep just for that comparison to my childhood.

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5 hours ago, The Ace of Aces said:

You joke but it seems Card has serious stage fright. 

It seems more to me that he's not very good

[Rimbo 26,016]

6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

No new thoughts here, but I have been a bit skeptical of the Ewers saga.  The "skip senior year/commit to Texas/commit to OSU/portal to Texas" deal doesn't look real good to me.

He did pretty well last night, although the deep balls were troubling.  And I didn't see a lot of evidence of his spectacularness.  But he did the needful as our Indian brethren would say.

He does seem like a very cool customer behind the line of scrimmage, maybe too cool.  But until our OL coheres, that's got to be a plus.

ok so, I'll need someone to post the game to YouTube or something for this, but there was a TD drive yesterday where he threw two successive passes that were NFL caliber. Like beyond anything I've seen on the 40 acres, and I've been following this since '89. They were perfect throws into insanely tight windows.

What I expected from Ewers was exactly what we got. We saw some freshman shit (the first drive, not connecting with X on some deep balls), and then we saw some jaw dropping amazing shit (those passes on that drive).

It's also possible I'll look at the replay and wonder what I was thinking; I was pretty drunk yesterday.

[Horn Dog 9,883]

7 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

He did pretty well last night, although the deep balls were troubling.  And I didn't see a lot of evidence of his spectacularness.  But he did the needful as our Indian brethren would say.

This is almost verbatim of my wife’s review of my performance on our wedding night

Edited September 4, 2022 by Horn Dog

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16 hours ago, Rimbo said:

ok so, I'll need someone to post the game to YouTube or something for this, but there was a TD drive yesterday where he threw two successive passes that were NFL caliber. Like beyond anything I've seen on the 40 acres, and I've been following this since '89. They were perfect throws into insanely tight windows.

What I expected from Ewers was exactly what we got. We saw some freshman shit (the first drive, not connecting with X on some deep balls), and then we saw some jaw dropping amazing shit (those passes on that drive).

It's also possible I'll look at the replay and wonder what I was thinking; I was pretty drunk yesterday.

That's fair.  He did seem to squeeze some balls into tight windows, but I was at the time concerned about the judgment more than the execution.

The pump fake was good shit.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's fair.  He did seem to squeeze some balls into tight windows,

Keep going. Talk dirty to me. 

[40acredropout 2,902]

SIAP but PFF passing grade for Ewers.  I wouldn't take too much away from them yet but not great.   Small sample getting dragged down by two turnover worthy plays (TWP) and my guess is also getting dinged for quite a few completions that seemed to be a little off target.  

For comparison sake:

Hudson 2021:

Casey 2021:

Casey 2022:

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2 hours ago, 40acredropout said:

SIAP but PFF passing grade for Ewers.  I wouldn't take too much away from them yet but not great.   Small sample getting dragged down by two turnover worthy plays (TWP) and my guess is also getting dinged for quite a few completions that seemed to be a little off target.  

For comparison sake:

Hudson 2021:

Casey 2021:

Casey 2022:

 

 

[LTtxfan 49,312]

Quinn on PFF stats:

"Don't Care, HORNS WIN !!!"  🤘

[Tex Long 4,410]

"Completions off target" sounds like a complaint about a long TD run that wasn't fast enough or dynamic enough... 

The ability to throw passes that are catchable for the receivers is a a helluva lot more important than throwing balls straight to them. And that's on both the QBs and the recievers. Useta just amaze the shit outta me to see the Pirate's receivers catching balls that ours wouldn't even try for, or if they did try, they wouldn't make the catch.

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29 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

"Completions off target" sounds like a complaint about a long TD run that wasn't fast enough or dynamic enough... 

Yeah… no.  

Not hitting your open receivers in stride on short / intermediate routes often prevents any chance for an extended or explosive play.   It’s the difference between okay and good/great qb’s.  There were several short crossing routes that Quinn put behind receivers.  And not because he was throwing to their wrong shoulder to keep away from a defender or protect his receiver.  He just missed.  

I’m not complaining about his performance-  just offering a possible reason why the PFF grading seemed low which I think is probably fair.  I’m highly confident he becomes good to great on those types of throws very soon.  He also made some NFL throws which is in support of that opinion but you can’t just ignore the bad throws.  

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8 minutes ago, 40acredropout said:

Yeah… no.  

Not hitting your open receivers in stride on short / intermediate routes often prevents any chance for an extended or explosive play.   It’s the difference between okay and good/great qb’s.  There were several short crossing routes that Quinn put behind receivers.  And not because he was throwing to their wrong shoulder to keep away from a defender or protect his receiver.  He just missed.  

I’m not complaining about his performance-  just offering a possible reason why the PFF grading seemed low which I think is probably fair.  I’m highly confident he becomes good to great on those types of throws very soon.  He also made some NFL throws which is in support of that opinion but you can’t just ignore the bad throws.  

I think the grade was low, but you also have to remember PFF isn’t factoring in it was his first start. They don’t care he came out looking like ass and improved. 

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3 hours ago, 40acredropout said:

SIAP but PFF passing grade for Ewers.  I wouldn't take too much away from them yet but not great.   Small sample getting dragged down by two turnover worthy plays (TWP) and my guess is also getting dinged for quite a few completions that seemed to be a little off target.  

For comparison sake:

Hudson 2021:

Casey 2021:

Casey 2022:

Those guys seem like morons

[Bigbend1812 12,927]

PFF grading seems like some made up Nerd shit by someone that has never played any sports.  

[Tex-19 2,872]

5 hours ago, 40acredropout said:

SIAP but PFF passing grade for Ewers.  I wouldn't take too much away from them yet but not great.   Small sample getting dragged down by two turnover worthy plays (TWP) and my guess is also getting dinged for quite a few completions that seemed to be a little off target.  

For comparison sake:

Hudson 2021:

Casey 2021:

Casey 2022:

I don't see anything about completions off target on there. I think he's just getting dinged a lot for the 2 interceptable balls on such a small sample size, along with the poor deep accuracy.

Side note but I'm assuming TTT is time to throw? Look at the 2021 difference between Card and Casey

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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

Those guys seem like morons

No, they're not wrong. Remember, you're dealing with a Freshman in his first-ever start; no matter how good he is, he's going to have some issues. The closest thing I can think to of an exception is Colt, who was just insane his Freshman year... but he also had an experienced, MNC-caliber OL that year.

What we should've expected to see from Ewers is exactly what we did see; some braindead decisions and throws coupled with throws that expose the extremely high ceiling he has. Guy can hit some insanely tight windows when he wants to, and it's not luck when that happens. He can also miss the receiver and throw into the wrong spot, and that's not luck, either.

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49 minutes ago, Bigbend1812 said:

PFF grading seems like some made up Nerd shit by someone that has never played any sports.  

I’m not saying it’s some perfect end all, be all but this is a bad take.  Did you say same thing about WAR and other sabermetric stats when people started referring to them over batting average, RBI’s and pitcher wins?

It’s an attempt to grade every player on every play using an objective, consistent system.  It no doubt has issues and we are talking about sample size issues with Quinn’s grade but I wouldn’t throw it out entirely.   

 

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5 hours ago, 52-80 said:

Keep going. Talk dirty to me. 

Life's a garden. Dig it. 

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19 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

I don't see anything about completions off target on there. I think he's just getting dinged a lot for the 2 interceptable balls on such a small sample size, along with the poor deep accuracy.

Side note but I'm assuming TTT is time to throw? Look at the 2021 difference between Card and Casey

You’re no doubt correct on the sample size. And while there isn’t a off-target count listed on there, based on my understanding of their grading process, it’s something that would be baked into that overall grade.

 

And yep on TTT.  I hadn’t even looked at that.  Consistent with eyeball evaluation that Card just held on to the ball for far too long.

[NorLa Horns 1,458]

Just rewatched. And my drunk ass was right, both deep ball over throws had defenders right with Worthy as the pass came in. Its entirely possible they were intentional over throws when he realized the deferders were too close for such a long developing pass. 

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4 minutes ago, 40acredropout said:

I’m not saying it’s some perfect end all, be all but this is a bad take.  Did you say same thing about WAR and other sabermetric stats when people started referring to them over batting average, RBI’s and pitcher wins?

It’s an attempt to grade every player on every play using an objective, consistent system.  It no doubt has issues and we are talking about sample size issues with Quinn’s grade but I wouldn’t throw it out entirely.   

 

They have 50+ nfl CB graded higher than Trevon Diggs. Seems useless 

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On 9/4/2022 at 7:15 AM, Horn Dog said:

Not to CR this thread but we really do need to defund the UTPD

Can't spell "Stupid" without "UTPD."

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ok so, I'll need someone to post the game to YouTube or something for this, but there was a TD drive yesterday where he threw two successive passes that were NFL caliber. Like beyond anything I've seen on the 40 acres, and I've been following this since '89. They were perfect throws into insanely tight windows.
What I expected from Ewers was exactly what we got. We saw some freshman shit (the first drive, not connecting with X on some deep balls), and then we saw some jaw dropping amazing shit (those passes on that drive).
It's also possible I'll look at the replay and wonder what I was thinking; I was pretty drunk yesterday.

To Whit and then Sanders in the third quarter.

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8 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

They have 50+ nfl CB graded higher than Trevon Diggs. Seems useless 

Dogs was great at keeping both teams in the game last season.

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8 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

They have 50+ nfl CB graded higher than Trevon Diggs. Seems useless 

Just my guess, but negative plays seem to count a lot more than positive plays in their grading. Diggs is an all or nothing CB. He generally gets a pick or gives up a completion, more of the later. 

[Shaggyhorn 641]

Just rewatched. And my drunk ass was right, both deep ball over throws had defenders right with Worthy as the pass came in. Its entirely possible they were intentional over throws when he realized the deferders were too close for such a long developing pass. 

I think two were miscommunications. Worthy ran fades and Ewers tried to throw him open instead. Another one was only catchable by Worthy, but he fell down. That one looked well placed.

[TreatyOak 16,375]

I’m sure this has been discussed here, but since Ewers is so much more advanced than Card, would it have made more sense to declare him the starter much earlier and get him as many reps as possible? On a related note, and others have mentioned it here, wouldn’t it have made sense to leave Ewers in the game longer to get him as many reps as possible? Or, was Shark purposely limiting the film on Ewers before Alabama?

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2 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

I’m sure this has been discussed here, but since Ewers is so much more advanced than Card, would it have made more sense to declare him the starter much earlier and get him as many reps as possible? On a related note, and others have mentioned it here, wouldn’t it have made sense to leave Ewers in the game longer to get him as many reps as possible? Or, was Shark purposely limiting the film on Ewers before Alabama?

I'd rather our savior QB not get pummeled behind the 2nd and 3rd string OL who also need reps. 

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10 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Just my guess, but negative plays seem to count a lot more than positive plays in their grading. Diggs is an all or nothing CB. He generally gets a pick or gives up a completion, more of the later. 

For stat analysis to be useful it should guide decision making. Does anyone use the pff grades for that?

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5 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

I’m sure this has been discussed here, but since Ewers is so much more advanced than Card, would it have made more sense to declare him the starter much earlier and get him as many reps as possible? On a related note, and others have mentioned it here, wouldn’t it have made sense to leave Ewers in the game longer to get him as many reps as possible? Or, was Shark purposely limiting the film on Ewers before Alabama?

This is what I was pissed off about in off season, but I guess there’s internal team politics that need to be played. 

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26 minutes ago, 40acredropout said:

I’m not saying it’s some perfect end all, be all but this is a bad take.  Did you say same thing about WAR and other sabermetric stats when people started referring to them over batting average, RBI’s and pitcher wins?

It’s an attempt to grade every player on every play using an objective, consistent system.  It no doubt has issues and we are talking about sample size issues with Quinn’s grade but I wouldn’t throw it out entirely.