anti-vaxxers/trumpkins shut down mass vaccination event at dodger stadium

[RDCanecutter 26,276]

A friend is seeking law dog advice for when it would be reasonable to whack somebody with a cane if that person were to get up close and breathe on friend.

If a cane is considered a deadly weapon, we could sub in a bull whip.

[NameAlreadyInUse 5,106]

Just now, RDCanecutter said:

A friend is seeking law dog advice for when it would be reasonable to whack somebody with a cane if that person were to get up close and breathe on friend.

If a cane is considered a deadly weapon, we could sub in a bull whip.

I'm sure a rolled up wet towel would do in a pinch, no?

[InkaUtexas 25,518]

Sock full of nickels is my go to. 

[Scheiss Meister 8,399]

12 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

A friend is seeking law dog advice for when it would be reasonable to whack somebody with a cane if that person were to get up close and breathe on friend.

If a cane is considered a deadly weapon, we could sub in a bull whip.

I know a gentleman in his 80s who has no compunction whatsoever with jabbing the hell out of anyone with his cane if they get too close.  If I am on the jury, you walk.

[RDCanecutter 26,276]

Just now, InkaUtexas said:

Sock full of nickels is my go to. 

I was thinking something with more reach. So maybe a sock full of nickels on the end of a cane.

[InkaUtexas 25,518]

become little league coach, carry a bat. 

[Scheiss Meister 8,399]

I avoid stores and such, but I am going to get one of those can mounted air horns to carry with me if and when I do go into a store.  A long blast of that in their face should get the point across and wouldn't be assault, if I understand correctly. 

[Brisketexan 104,624]

1 minute ago, Scheiss Meister said:

I avoid stores and such, but I am going to get one of those can mounted air horns to carry with me if and when I do go into a store.  A long blast of that in their face should get the point across and wouldn't be assault, if I understand correctly. 

Man....it's like some of you can't fart loudly on command.  You poor souls.

[High Plains Drifter 10,977]

 

 

 

[NorthLoop 14,093]

3 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Sock full of nickels is my go to. 

I dunno why, but I read that as sock full of crickets at first. That might be worse. 

[27-25 2,040]

6 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

A friend is seeking law dog advice for when it would be reasonable to whack somebody with a cane if that person were to get up close and breathe on friend.

If a cane is considered a deadly weapon, we could sub in a bull whip.

Indian police have got you covered.  According to Indian coworkers they love to use their lathis these days for folks not wearing masks.

[Gil Bang 25,898]

6 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Man....it's like some of you can't fart loudly on command.  You poor souls.

these days, it's more like a shart on command

[cactusflinthead 27,594]

@Ghost of LL that bonafide religious exemption is why there have been outbreaks. There needs to be a very short list of recognized groups. 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,049]

53 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

@Ghost of LL that bonafide religious exemption is why there have been outbreaks. There needs to be a very short list of recognized groups. 

 

We have family friends whose son has had very real reactions to vaccines for some reason. Enough reaction that the doctor was adamant that the the boy wait until adulthood before attempting to have any immunizations and then begin to play catch-up if possible. It is for people like him that I vaccinate. We've known them for almost two decades and the good news was that about a year ago he began to receive shots and has thus far had only mild side effects and is almost caught up on the basic shots. They later discovered that he had some genetic issue that may have played a part in his reactions.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,093]

There needs to be intelligence tests for breeding 

I’ve been a proponent of this for years.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,093]

ok, so trumpers, right-wing nuts, anti-vaxxers, qanon wackos - all share a common thread of not completely believing in the virus, wearing masks, or getting the vaccines, which seem to be upwards of 95% effective.
and since the vaccine will not be mandatory (muh freedoms, etc), then it seems like in ~6 months, you'll have a lot of vaccinated people, and a lot of unvaccinated wack jobs.  if the world opens back up, many of these wack jobs will get sick and die, while the rest of the country will start to actually have a life again.
i'm not really seeing a problem here.  you keep doing you, morons.
 

Now if we could force them to take responsibility for their actions. You don’t want to get vaccinated, you don’t want to wear a mask, fine. You get sick, don’t go the hospital. They fuck around, they find out. Fuck it.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,093]

[mention=656]Ghost of LL[/mention] that bonafide religious exemption is why there have been outbreaks. There needs to be a very short list of recognized groups. 
 

Eh, your ability to freely practice your religion ends when the exercise of such infringes on others ability to live . Those religious exceptions are why there was a measles outbreak in Williamsburg and Borough Park.

[Willfully Horn 7,913]

The Swiss government used to ask its citizens to name their religion. Maybe they still do. Then the government would withhold an additional percentage of those citizen’s wages, as tithes which were passed along to the respective religions. ‘No Religion’ was the fastest growing answer to that question, over time. 
 

They’ll probably be able to figure out who is sincere in their Jehovah Witness-ness fairly easily.

[henrygandorf 29,177]

45 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Now if we could force them to take responsibility for their actions. You don’t want to get vaccinated, you don’t want to wear a mask, fine. You get sick, don’t go the hospital. They fuck around, they find out. Fuck it.

while i think your version is far more hilarious, i'm also looking forward to fully vaccinated nurses giving them the "oh honey" head tilt and attitude.

"ok, so you've got a fever, and i think you've probably got covid.  now if you're not sure what covid is, there was this virus that started in china 18 months ago, and about half a million americans died from it, it was in a couple of papers, newsmax probably didn't mention it much.  anyway, thank god we got a vaccine, and everybody with a half a brain got it, but you apparently chose to fuck around instead.  so listen, we're gonna put you on a ventilator, and you know, you could live, you could die, it really could go either way at this point.  i assume in the next couple days....you'll find out."

[Francisco 2.0 32,341]

So, they are coming back on Saturday the 13th, publicly announcing their intentions....and they have a new angle:  anyone giving a vaccination is committing a war crime based off of the Nuremberg Trials:

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vaxxers-plot-new-la-protest-as-conspiracy-theory-about-war-criminal-docs-spreads?ref=home?ref=home

 

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The video is everywhere in the comments sections of anti-vaccination Facebook pages. In it, a prominent vaccine opponent makes false claims about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.

Then he goes on to tell another dangerous lie.

“Legally,” he says, “all those people giving vaccinations are war criminals. I’ll repeat that. Legally, all those people giving vaccinations are war criminals.” 

 

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This claim—which cites a bogus legal theory based on Nazi war crime trials—is not true. That hasn’t stopped conspiracy theorists from spamming it in Facebook comments and uploading it across the internet, where individual clips have received more than 100,000 views. Meanwhile, conspiracy theorists are planning new in-person demonstrations outside vaccination sites. One, a sequel to a now-notorious event that shut down one of the largest such sites in America at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles, is being organized by a vaccination opponent who himself accuses health-care workers of war crimes, The Daily Beast has learned.

It’s the new front of the COVID-denialist right—and it’s veering increasingly toward targeting the individuals providing Americans with vaccines.

 

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In anti-vaccination Facebook groups and Telegram channels, some users are furiously familiarizing themselves with the Nuremberg Code, a 1947 document laid down at the Nuremberg war crimes tribunal that prescribed new guidelines against forced medical experiments. Those rules came in response to the horrors of the Holocaust, during which Nazi doctors conducted cruel procedures on non-consenting subjects.

Ongoing COVID-19 vaccinations, which provide safe inoculation to consenting patients, do not come anywhere remotely close to violating the guidelines laid out in the post-Holocaust code. Nevertheless, a viral video and multiple spin-offs falsely suggest that, under the Nuremberg Code, doctors and nurses who provide the COVID-19 vaccine are akin to SS officers.

It’s a claim that could put health-care workers at risk.

 

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“This idea that the medical establishment is evil, that they’re up to no good, is an old story, unfortunately,” said David Broniatowski, an associate professor of engineering management at George Washington University, where he has studied the anti-vaccination movement. “But taking it to the next level and saying, ‘They’re war criminals in violation of international law’ obviously takes that rhetoric and ups the ante. We have seen, building for years, death threats and threats of violence against physicians.”

The growing anti-vax movement, which already had support from the far right, was only turbocharged in 2020, after members hitched their momentum to pro-Trump conspiracy theories. “Wherever there is an audience, I want to get the message across that our bodies are ours,” one prominent anti-vaxxer told CNN of speaking at a Jan. 6 rally in D.C. that preceded the attack on the Capitol.

But the alliance goes farther, the recent demonstration in Los Angeles revealed.

The late January event outside Dodger Stadium saw dozens of anti-vaxxers temporarily stall operations when they marched with signs decrying vaccines and COVID safety measures. In attendance were multiple people who’d attended the Jan. 6 rally preceding the riot in D.C., as well as a far-right perennial political candidate and Facebookers who’d promoted maskless raids on L.A. stores. (Facebook did not respond to a request for comment for this story.)

In a message distributed through an anti-vaccination email list, obtained by The Daily Beast, anti-vaxxers claim to be planning a follow-up demonstration outside Dodger Stadium this Saturday, Feb. 13. In an apparent effort to persuade relatively moderate converts, the message urged participants not to bring signs that promoted Donald Trump or (unlike at the January protest) that called COVID-19 a hoax.

“The focus is on: THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF THE VACCINE,” the email read. “In addition, signs about the oppressive lockdown, masks, the ruining of the economy, loss of livelihoods are fine. Thus, we want to convey one unified message. Please do not bring MAGA or Trump signs or American Flags, or signs such as ‘Covid is a Scam’, or ‘Covid is a Hoax’ which triggers the ‘extremist’ label from the mainstream media. If you do, we will need to ask you not to exhibit those.”

Jason Lefkowitz, the organizer behind the event, told The Daily Beast he believed health-care workers were breaking the Nuremberg Code (they aren’t) and that the inoculations are not vaccines (they are).

“We plan on informing people that they are submitting to a medical experiment and if not told so by the health-care worker, that health-care worker can be tried for crimes against humanity as stated by the Nuremberg code,” he said, adding that his group did not intend to stop people from getting vaccines if they wanted them.

Lefkowitz said he wasn’t worried about bad actors in his own group engaging in violence against health-care workers, despite the Nuremberg language.

“Do I worry about actions against health care workers from within my group? Absolutely NOT!” he said via email. “Am I worried about infiltrators? Yes. I’ve been communicating with the LAPD just as I had before the first event; and we are both going to be vigilant. I’ve informed my group that anyone we don’t know, we report immediately to the cops.”

Los Angeles Police previously told The Daily Beast that demonstrators did not break any laws with their January protest, which temporarily halted entry to the vaccination site. But online, where conspiracy theories likening nurses to Nazis are spreading, the risk for radical recruitment is higher. At the previous protest, that meant participation from hardcore QAnon fans and a failed politician convicted of stalking. (A spokesperson for L.A.’s fire department, which runs the vaccination site, told The Daily Beast they were aware of the upcoming demonstration.)

Even before the outbreak of COVID-19, a burgeoning anti-vaccination movement was taking aim at individual doctors. In October 2019, months before the first COVID cases were spotted in China, anti-vaxxers gathered outside a Long Island, New York, pediatrician’s office to antagonize the doctor for her support of child vaccination, NBC News reported that year. “Are you vaccinating your baby?” the demonstrators reportedly asked parents who were bringing their young children to appointments.

Their demonstration was based on repeatedly debunked conspiracy theories that claim vaccines cause autism, or other health conditions. And while it would be unfair to label every vaccine-hesitant person an extremist, Broniatowski cautioned, the anti-vax movement is increasingly compatible with right-wing ideologies.

“We’re moving more into an environment where the issue is not the safety and efficacy of vaccines, but civil rights—do I have the right to choose whether or not to wear a mask or get vaccinated?” he said. “Then these themes start to overlap with other civil liberties arguments like the right to bear arms. More and more, we’re seeing people opposed to vaccines adopting the more extreme—and in some cases more militant—language of people in other political issues.”

He said that explicit political realignment started gathering steam in southern California—home to the Dodger Stadium protesters—in the mid-2010s, following a measles outbreak at Disneyland, and subsequent vaccine mandates in the state. Those political tensions led to the assault of a pro-vaccine legislator (who is also a doctor) by anti-vax activists in 2019.

“That was a first step in this direction,” Broniatowski said.

 

[Neonmoon 38,127]

9 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

So, they are coming back on Saturday the 13th, publicly announcing their intentions....and they have a new angle:  anyone giving a vaccination is committing a war crime based off of the Nuremberg Trials:

[wildcat09 29,256]

Anyone who needs a vaccine should be legally allowed to kick the shit out of anyone who tries to prevent them from getting one.

[RPM 26,228]

15 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

So, they are coming back on Saturday the 13th, publicly announcing their intentions....and they have a new angle:  anyone giving a vaccination is committing a war crime based off of the Nuremberg Trials:

Anyone disrupting a vaccine site should be considered a domestic terrorist. They are putting other people's lives at stake. I'm sick of all this cosplay bullshit. It's a fucking virus. The shots keep you alive. Fuck your feelings, it's a public health issue.

Edited February 10, 2021 by RPM

[Js1 85,110]

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“Legally,” he says, “all those people giving vaccinations are war criminals. I’ll repeat that. Legally, all those people giving vaccinations are war criminals.” 

He repeated it.  So you know it has to be true. 

[RPM 26,228]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

He repeated it.  So you know it has to be true. 

IT WAS A STRENOUS OBJECTION.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,049]

Killing Meemaw by stopping her vaccination when she didn’t want to sacrifice herself for the economy is a rather odd look for the freedom crowd. Elder domestic terrorism. 

[GopherRock 1,765]

I wonder if their tune on masks will change if they get a facefull of pepper spray.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Anyone who refuses to be vaccinated - outside of people with legitimate documented medical issues confirmed by a physician or religious reasons (and those people who claim religious exemptions should have to prove that has been their belief for a while; no “joining” the Christian Scientists or Jeovah’s Witnesses or Amish a week before claiming a religious exemption) - should have the following consequences-

-sign a document stating any hospital will put them last on the list for any treatments or resources or admission and they will not be given any extraordinary or experimental treatments

-be put on a no fly, no bus, no train, no public transportation list

-be put on a no concert, no sporting event, no movie theater, no public mass gathering list; including being banned from attending their kids or grandkids events

-no admission to college or university

-they can only shop at designated hours, say 7:00 AM to 8:00 AM and 10:00 PM to 11:00 PM

-ineligible to receive any stimulus money, PPP loans, or any other government aid (food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, federal student loans etc.)

-no admission to any federal or state buildings or public tourist destinations

I’m only half kidding but these people are going to seriously hinder all our efforts to eliminate this pandemic and they should be made to suffer for their selfish stupid behavior.

[Francisco 2.0 32,341]

3 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Anyone who refuses to be vaccinated - outside of people with legitimate documented medical issues confirmed by a physician or religious reasons (and those people who claim religious exemptions should have to prove that has been their belief for a while; no “joining” the Christian Scientists or Jeovah’s Witnesses or Amish a week before claiming a religious exemption) - should have the following consequences-

-sign a document stating any hospital will put them last on the list for any treatments or resources or admission and they will not be given any extraordinary or experimental treatments

-be put on a no fly, no bus, no train, no public transportation list

-be put on a no concert, no sporting event, no movie theater, no public mass gathering list; including being banned from attending their kids or grandkids events

-no admission to college or university

-they can only shop at designated hours, say 7:00 AM to 8:00 AM and 10:00 PM to 11:00 PM

-ineligible to receive any stimulus money, PPP loans, or any other government aid (food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, federal student loans etc.)

-no admission to any federal or state buildings or public tourist destinations

I’m only half kidding but these people are going to seriously hinder all our efforts to eliminate this pandemic and they should be made to suffer for their selfish stupid behavior.

 

I like your list, but I'm just hoping for increased health insurance premiums for those who refuse a vaccine.  

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Hell, make them ineligible to sign up for health insurance.

Fuck them.

[TheRealRonWeaver? 1,258]

Anyone who refuses to be vaccinated - outside of people with legitimate documented medical issues confirmed by a physician or religious reasons (and those people who claim religious exemptions should have to prove that has been their belief for a while; no “joining” the Christian Scientists or Jeovah’s Witnesses or Amish a week before claiming a religious exemption) - should have the following consequences-

-sign a document stating any hospital will put them last on the list for any treatments or resources or admission and they will not be given any extraordinary or experimental treatments

-be put on a no fly, no bus, no train, no public transportation list

-be put on a no concert, no sporting event, no movie theater, no public mass gathering list; including being banned from attending their kids or grandkids events

-no admission to college or university

-they can only shop at designated hours, say 7:00 AM to 8:00 AM and 10:00 PM to 11:00 PM

-ineligible to receive any stimulus money, PPP loans, or any other government aid (food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, federal student loans etc.)

-no admission to any federal or state buildings or public tourist destinations

I’m only half kidding but these people are going to seriously hinder all our efforts to eliminate this pandemic and they should be made to suffer for their selfish stupid behavior.

Religion is a bullshit reason for not giving a fuck what happens to others, so fuck that exception.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Religion is a bullshit reason for not giving a fuck what happens to others, so fuck that exception.

I agree but if there isn’t something carved out for religious grounds then that’s an automatic lawsuit that will make its way to The Supreme Court.

And after the Hobby Lobby bullshittery I’d rather not give this court another opportunity to fuck around with that issue.

The actual number of denominations that truly object on religious beliefs is very, very small and pretty much fringe groups. Anyone using religious reasons should have to provide evidence of long term membership to one of those sects.

A bunch of Baptists all of a sudden deciding vaccines are forbidden ain’t going to fly.

If your church doesn’t have long standing, well known doctrine regarding the issue then those can sit the fuck down.

[wildcat09 29,256]

On 2/11/2021 at 1:14 AM, Bama Chick said:

I agree but if there isn’t something carved out for religious grounds then that’s an automatic lawsuit that will make its way to The Supreme Court.

And after the Hobby Lobby bullshittery I’d rather not give this court another opportunity to fuck around with that issue.

The actual number of denominations that truly object on religious beliefs is very, very small and pretty much fringe groups. Anyone using religious reasons should have to provide evidence of long term membership to one of those sects.

A bunch of Baptists all of a sudden deciding vaccines are forbidden ain’t going to fly.

If your church doesn’t have long standing, well known doctrine regarding the issue then those can sit the fuck down.

SCOTUS would absolutely disagree with this. If anything, this fucking court would probably rule that nobody can get the vaccine because my getting the vaccine infringes upon the religious rights of some anti-vaxxer I don't even know.

[tx 3 putt 76,387]

In Florida you'll soon be able to run them over, 'my life is in danger !!!!'