Who's been covid vaxxed? Stand up and be counted.

[Handcruser 2805]

44 minutes ago, HellesBier said:

Don't you know that Pharma companies have our best interest at heart?

Exactly.  Didn’t Moderna or someone have to throw a bunch of vaccines away?  I remember somebody did.  Maybe they were boosters - was it because nobody wanted them or what?

I am not anti vaccine.  But I ain’t pro 47 boosters to “stop the spread” either. 

[Beau Vine 54205]

7 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

Exactly.  Didn’t Moderna or someone have to throw a bunch of vaccines away?  I remember somebody did.  Maybe they were boosters - was it because nobody wanted them or what?

I am not anti vaccine.  But I ain’t pro 47 boosters to “stop the spread” either. 

I'm actually pro 46 boosters to “stop the spread."  But 47, nah, that's taking it just too far.

[Armybrat 40821]

I & my wife get the boosters to lessenthe severity of the symptoms in case we catch it.

But we’ve been lucky so far and haven’t caught the bug yet. We don’t wear masks, we carry hand sanitizers, and when we go out to dine at restaurants we go at the least busy hours.

One of my sons and his two boys were vaxxed, but they’ve had the Covid 2 or 3 times each. Not deathly ill, but still pretty sick fot the better part of a week each time.

Edited October 22 by Armybrat

[Goofyboy 3268]

It’s not a booster. It’s a yearly vaccine, like the flu.

[royiv 9246]

1 hour ago, HellesBier said:

Don't you know that Pharma companies have our best interest at heart?

How do you feel about Ivermectin?

[Hefeweizen 5310]

Trust Covid to bring out the stupid.  It’s a virus just like the flu now, feel free to catch it and get fucked up or take a shot to mitigate the symptoms.  What the fuck ever.  It’s become a simple IQ test for me.  Anyone who is scared of immunization is too dumb to engage with.

[HellesBier 188]

22 minutes ago, royiv said:

How do you feel about Ivermectin?

Never taken it, no idea. Once again, just because I am not bleeding left doesn't make me the extreme right either. This is exactly the problem with this site.

[aggie08 21481]

1 hour ago, Handcruser said:

Actually yeah.  I haven’t had a flu shot in 30 years. Since I was like 18.  
 

 

It's not a can't miss appointment anymore. But it's free, easy, and harmless. If I remember in the fall, I'll swing by CVS on a shopping trip and get it and the flu shot knocked out. If I forget, so be it. I don't judge others one way or the other.

Apologies, in my personal experience, someone asking, "People are still getting the COVID vaccine?" typically have ulterior motives for the question.

Edited October 22 by aggie08

[royiv 9246]

22 minutes ago, HellesBier said:

Never taken it, no idea. Once again, just because I am not bleeding left doesn't make me the extreme right either. This is exactly the problem with this site.

We know who you’re voting for this election. That’s extreme right no matter how you slice it.

[HellesBier 188]

2 minutes ago, royiv said:

We know who you’re voting for this election. That’s extreme right no matter how you slice it.

And that's your opinion.

[Hefeweizen 5310]

34 minutes ago, HellesBier said:

Never taken it, no idea. Once again, just because I am not bleeding left doesn't make me the extreme right either. This is exactly the problem with this site.

It’s bleeding left to get vaccinated?  Thanks for the science lesson!

[HellesBier 188]

Just now, Hefeweizen said:

It’s bleeding left to get vaccinated?  Thanks for the science lesson!

I didn't say that, it was his Ivermectin comment, try not to be so reactionary. 

[Hefeweizen 5310]

Fair enough.  Your username makes me smile either way.

[South Austin 52443]

8 hours ago, Handcruser said:

I am not anti vaccine.  But I ain’t pro 47 boosters to “stop the spread” either. 

It’s not really “stop the spread” for me anymore, just like the flu isn’t.  I get those shots to reduce the chance that I’m knocked on my ass and out several days from work, or at least reduce the severity and duration of symptoms. And like the flu shot, it’s free.

[Pods 7551]

On 10/9/2024 at 8:58 AM, Brisketexan said:

Dude, archaeopteryx pox were a thing.  Geez.

aka Jurassic Pox, or Lagerstätte Lesions. 

[HouTex 1866]

10 hours ago, HellesBier said:

Never taken it, no idea. Once again, just because I am not bleeding left doesn't make me the extreme right either. This is exactly the problem with this site.

Exactly.  I follow my Dr.’s advice.  He, of course, recommends vaccines for the usual deadly diseases and the Shringrix and the one for girls that prevents cervical cancer.  We’ve vaccinated our girls with every available vaccine when they were young.  I get an annual flu shot every year-as I did two weeks ago.  But my doc says the Covid shots don’t really work based his anecdotal evidence and what he’s read and he’s seen that they actually reduce your immunity in general.  My layman’s observation is that they are not effective.  So after two Pfizer shots and a Moderna booster I stopped getting them.  So far so good.  I got Covid in June 22 (8 months after last booster) and it wasn’t as bad as my seasonal allergies.  I’ve been exposed numerous times since then at numerous weddings (sitting 2 feet away from people that had Covid) and other events and still haven’t gotten sick again. 

[DDD Dad 14324]

17 hours ago, Handcruser said:

People are still getting the Covid vaccine?

Yes.  Some of us are at risk for a bad outcome, and others would prefer to feel crappy for a day to reduce that risk or the risk of feeling like shit for up to a week or more (the most recent variant appears to be nasty).

Last week my BIL had to postpone gall bladder removal due to heart damage suffered from his most recent COVID infection.

Your health is your business, and I hope for your sake and your family's that you take it seriously.

[DDD Dad 14324]

2 hours ago, HouTex said:

But my doc says the Covid shots don’t really work based his anecdotal evidence and what he’s read and he’s seen that they actually reduce your immunity in general.  

I'm sure your doctor's great.  My doctor has recommended both flu and COVID for me based on scientific research rather than anecdotal evidence.  Here's a blurb from a recent article on the Yale School of Medicine's website applicable to both Pfizer & Moderna versions:

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The 2024-2025 updated vaccines were approved based on preclinical studies of their efficacy against circulating strains. Some people may still become infected even though they have been vaccinated, but the goal of the vaccines now is to prevent severe disease, hospitalization and death. Research has suggested that people who are infected after vaccination also are less likely to report Long COVID (defined as signs, symptoms, and conditions that continue or develop after acute COVID infection), compared to those who were not vaccinated.

In its recommendations for COVID vaccines, the CDC has cited a study showing the risk of cardiac complications, including myocarditis (an inflammation of the heart muscle), in males 12-17 years old was 1.8–5.6 times higher after a COVID infection compared to after COVID vaccination.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison

I'm not aware of any scientific research supporting the proposition that COVID vaccines reduce your immunity in general.  At least one study suggests vaccines provide protection without the risk of development of autoantibodies that accompany immunity from a natural infection:

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Since the introduction of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines, there has been an ongoing debate about whether vaccinations or natural immunity provide superior protection. New research shows that while both build immunity to the virus, mRNA vaccines side-step the development of self-attacking antibodies—known as autoantibodies—that frequently occur in COVID-19 patients.

Evidence increasingly supports a connection between COVID-19 infection and autoimmunity, in which patients' immune systems target their own tissues. However, it was unclear if vaccination posed the same risk. To investigate, a team led by Aaron Ring, MD, PhD, associate professor of immunobiology; and Akiko Iwasaki, PhD, Sterling Professor of Immunobiology and professor of dermatology; of molecular, cellular & developmental biology; and of epidemiology (microbial diseases), measured the presence of self-reactive autoantibodies in blood samples from individuals before and after vaccination and compared this to changes in autoantibody levels in COVID-19 patients. They found that while many new autoantibodies formed in infected patients, they did not see new autoantibodies in those who received the vaccination. Their findings were published in Nature Communications on March 9.

https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/vaccination-has-a-lower-risk-of-autoantibody-development-than-natural-immunity/

Edited October 22 by DDD Dad

[aggie08 21481]

You should probably get a new doctor if he's passing along anecdotal stories to help convince you that certain vaccines are completely ineffective and may actually make it worse.

I can see a doctor treating it almost identical to the flu shot and saying that it's up the patient, and you'll almost certainly be just fine if you don't get it (like my doctor). But actively reinforcing your "layman's observations" that go against the data? 

[Samson's Wig 3190]

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

You should probably get a new doctor if he's passing along anecdotal stories to help convince you that certain vaccines are completely ineffective and may actually make it worse.

I can see a doctor treating it almost identical to the flu shot and saying that it's up the patient, and you'll almost certainly be just fine if you don't get it (like my doctor). But actively reinforcing your "layman's observations" that go against the data? 

At first I was skeptical of his story, but then I remembered some of the doctors I know and realized it was probably true.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10227]

The only thing I've read regarding reduced immunity was the European regulators questioning if too frequent boosters would make the response to the vaccines less effective. Basically trying to determine best spacing between boosters to maximize thier effectiveness.

[jimmyjazz 45880]

5 hours ago, HouTex said:

and the one for girls that prevents cervical cancer. 

Boys need to get that one, too.

Regarding covid vaccines: one, a doc citing "anecdotal evidence" that flies in the face of proven science is a quack, and you need to find a new doc.  Two, as people age and develop chronic illness it makes all kinds of sense to minimize the severity of various viruses, etc.  So yeah, don't be stupid.

[Deej 76752]

5 hours ago, HouTex said:

But my doc says the Covid shots don’t really work based his anecdotal evidence and what he’s read and he’s seen that they actually reduce your immunity in general.

[Deej 76752]

HouTex's doctor:

 

[jdhorn92 1545]

Got my flu shot last Thursday, felt sluggish Friday, but all good.  I get a flu shot every year and i may have  doubled up during the Covid years dont really remember. 

[HouTex 1866]

You guys are ignoring the part about what he’s read.  He’s read the studies too.  Not just anecdotal evidence.  Hell, I don’t need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.  I know people who get the shots as often as they can and they still get Covid-more than once.  I know people who have never gotten the shots and they got Covid with light symptoms or not at all.  It’s all over the place.  Of course, I’m not talking (nor is my doc) about people with other health issues.  They have those problems to consider in whether they should keep getting jabbed.  For me, I’m comfortable listening to my doc. 

[royiv 9246]

24 minutes ago, HouTex said:

You guys are ignoring the part about what he’s read.  He’s read the studies too.  Not just anecdotal evidence.  Hell, I don’t need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.  I know people who get the shots as often as they can and they still get Covid-more than once.  I know people who have never gotten the shots and they got Covid with light symptoms or not at all.  It’s all over the place.  Of course, I’m not talking (nor is my doc) about people with other health issues.  They have those problems to consider in whether they should keep getting jabbed.  For me, I’m comfortable listening to my doc. 

Did your doc go to the Hollywood Upstairs Medical College?

[huge 3793]

I had my yearly physical today in Houston.  My doc recommended flu shot but did not recommend me getting another booster.  I have had 2 OG and a booster previously.

YMMV

[jimmyjazz 45880]

45 minutes ago, HouTex said:

You guys are ignoring the part about what he’s read.  He’s read the studies too.  Not just anecdotal evidence.  Hell, I don’t need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.  I know people who get the shots as often as they can and they still get Covid-more than once.  I know people who have never gotten the shots and they got Covid with light symptoms or not at all.  It’s all over the place.  Of course, I’m not talking (nor is my doc) about people with other health issues.  They have those problems to consider in whether they should keep getting jabbed.  For me, I’m comfortable listening to my doc. 

News flash:  vaccines aren't 100% effective against transmission.  Second news flash:  sometimes people who are not vaccinated get the virus and suffer only mild symptoms.

Based on what you've said about your doc, I'd be doc shopping, but you do you with "the jab" (for fuck's sake, be a little less transparent).

[tx 3 putt 76868]

flu shot achieved, still need the covid vax 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13508]

Since several are posting that their doctors don’t advise getting a Covid shot, my internal med doc recently recommended that I get one and I have zero underlying health problems. And I got the shot a couple weeks later.

As far as the comments that some people get the Covid vaccine and still get Covid, the vaccine doesn’t produce some shield around your body. You can still get infected and hopefully your body now has the ability to create antibodies against the Covid infection. And depending on the severity of your exposure , it may knock it out immediately or you experience a minimal infection. In some unlucky cases, it’s a bad infection.

personally they can hit me up with any vaccine I don’t care. Covid, flu, shingles, whatever.

[Anastasis 23458]

There have been no trials reporting clinical outcomes with the most recent boosters, at least none that I have seen. Just studies showing the immune response to the vaccine and in vitro neutralizing capabilities. So we don't know the incremental benefit of continued boosting and what subgroups are likely to get the greatest benefit. It would probably take a huge study to demonstrate efficacy in terms of hospitalization and mortality, and chances are results would be a failed study (as opposed to a negative result). I am not doing any more shots unless something compelling dictates that I need a top up my protection (have never had symptomatic disease, but seroconverted with three shots under the belt), but if I was I would try to get the novavax shot. 

[DDD Dad 14324]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

There have been no trials reporting clinical outcomes with the most recent boosters, at least none that I have seen. Just studies showing the immune response to the vaccine and in vitro neutralizing capabilities. So we don't know the incremental benefit of continued boosting and what subgroups are likely to get the greatest benefit. It would probably take a huge study to demonstrate efficacy in terms of hospitalization and mortality, and chances are results would be a failed study (as opposed to a negative result). I am not doing any more shots unless something compelling dictates that I need a top up my protection (have never had symptomatic disease, but seroconverted with three shots under the belt), but if I was I would try to get the novavax shot. 

Novavax?!?

[Anastasis 23458]

18 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Novavax?!?

It’s a protein subunit vaccine. Different, more traditional tech compared to mRNA. Some evidence suggests better coverage and viral clearance. If I was boosting I’d try to mix it in. 

[royiv 9246]

27 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Novavax?!?

Got it. Zero side effects except a sore arm overnight.

[BabaYaga 15286]

12 hours ago, Anastasis said:

novavax

NOVAVAX!  Assemble!

[Semmelweis 8]

On 10/22/2024 at 12:03 PM, DDD Dad said:

Research has suggested that people who are infected after vaccination also are less likely to report Long COVID (defined as signs, symptoms, and conditions that continue or develop after acute COVID infection), compared to those who were not vaccinated.

 

18 hours ago, Anastasis said:

There have been no trials reporting clinical outcomes with the most recent boosters, at least none that I have seen. Just studies showing the immune response to the vaccine and in vitro neutralizing capabilities. So we don't know the incremental benefit of continued boosting and what subgroups are likely to get the greatest benefit. It would probably take a huge study to demonstrate efficacy in terms of hospitalization and mortality, and chances are results would be a failed study (as opposed to a negative result). I am not doing any more shots unless something compelling dictates that I need a top up my protection (have never had symptomatic disease, but seroconverted with three shots under the belt), but if I was I would try to get the novavax shot. 

 

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26434]

16 hours ago, Anastasis said:

It’s a protein subunit vaccine. Different, more traditional tech compared to mRNA. Some evidence suggests better coverage and viral clearance. If I was boosting I’d try to mix it in. 

I kinda want to do that but I had Covid (4th round) in June and just got a Pfizer shot two weeks ago, so I’m going to seek out Novavax around March/April. 
Do you know when the nasal spray would come to market if it passes this round of studies?

[Horn75 193]

You’re a fucking idiot if you’re still getting vaxxed 😂😂

[DDD Dad 14324]

18 minutes ago, Horn75 said:

You’re a fucking idiot if you’re still getting vaxxed 😂😂

[DDD Dad 14324]

47 minutes ago, Semmelweis said:

 

 

 

The irony of your username is not lost on me.

[huge 3793]

7 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

The irony of your username is not lost on me.

I had to look it up.  Truth is stranger than fiction.

[Anastasis 23458]

36 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Do you know when the nasal spray would come to market if it passes this round of studies?

Haven't been tracking any of their data or milestones. So no idea, but a nasally administered vax would be a great option to further mix things up in terms of immune response.  

[Newdoc 3439]

23 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

News flash:  vaccines aren't 100% effective against transmission.  Second news flash:  sometimes people who are not vaccinated get the virus and suffer only mild symptoms.

Based on what you've said about your doc, I'd be doc shopping, but you do you with "the jab" (for fuck's sake, be a little less transparent).

The decision to receive boosters should be individualized. But you should discuss this with a physician that can help you objectively decide. You are also going to need to take recent infections into account when considering timing of boosters.

The data on redesigned boosters is hard to collect and process because the vaccine is being developed quickly and rightly so. You cannot extrapolate data on long Covid, etc. until data has been processed. It's disingenuous and bad science to confidently state the newest boosters will definitely do x or y. We can best guess based on past data but sometimes that turns out incorrect. 

For example, Paxlovid's initial data suggested that not only would it reduce hospitalizations and chance of death but also possibly decrease viral shedding, reduce severity of symptoms and time of illness. With more data, the latter three didn't really pan out. And Paxlovid's strongest data are for those who are Covid naive, whether that is vaccinated or natural immunity. I have a longer conversation with patients and family than previously when considering Paxlovid for patients.

[jimmyjazz 45880]

2 hours ago, Horn75 said:

You’re a fucking idiot if you’re still getting vaxxed 😂😂

At the risk of entertaining the troll, explain your thoughts on the matter.

[royiv 9246]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

At the risk of entertaining the troll, explain your thoughts on the matter.

He gone.

[elfenix 34223]

there's also no scientific randomized studies that show using a parachute improves the odds you survive a jump from an aircraft.

Edited October 24 by elfenix
there's also no scientific randomized studies showing flossing does anything at all.

[Newdoc 3439]

14 hours ago, elfenix said:

there's also no scientific randomized studies showing flossing does anything at all.

Thank you baby Jesus because that 2 inch wide floss job at the dentist would make my gums bleed. I’m sure it has been used as a torture device.

[David Dennison 18844]

Got my flu and COVID jabs the same day a couple of weeks ago.

#FuckingIdiot

[Chopper 17230]

I got the latest pfizer vaccine as soon as it was available. The recommendation at the time from the pharmacist was to follow it up with the Moderna shot about 8 weeks later. So I'm coming up on that and will get a double tap with the flu vacc in about 2 weeks. I'm a bit late for getting the flu vaccine, as the Dr recommended getting it in October.