2 FBI agents killed serving warrant in South Florida

[elfenix 34266]

Two FBI agents fatally shot while serving warrant in ‘violent crimes against children’ case

By Matt Zapotosky and Paulina Firozi

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/02/02/fbi-florida-shooting/

 

 

[Carl Spackler 3483]

3 others wounded.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-02-02/several-fbi-agents-shot-serving-warrant-florida

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Fuck !

[Orange&White 5528]

34 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

3 others wounded.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-02-02/several-fbi-agents-shot-serving-warrant-florida

 

 

As the Poet Erick Lynn Wright once so eloquently stated....

One Two suckas dead, L.A. Times front page.

 

Edited February 2, 2021 by Orange&White

[Blotto 23525]

1 hour ago, elfenix said:

 

Two FBI agents fatally shot while serving warrant in ‘violent crimes against children’ case

By Matt Zapotosky and Paulina Firozi

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/02/02/fbi-florida-shooting/

Matt and Paulina are no doubt grateful for your attribution. 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

You know what it smells like? Pine oil. That is where you are heading, pine oil heaven.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

Ah.  Perp was also killed. Never mind.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

I was hoping it had to do with a Navy reject / small-time pot dealer, a bar-room waitress with a reputation as a girl who'd been around, and some Cuban refugees who dealt in contraband. 

[Guest Lobo]

Forget it Keen, it’s Florida 

[TaxMaster 6]

Does the FBI usually moderate/high-risk residential warrants? I guess I always assumed state/local departments and/or US Marshals went in first and secured the location.

[VABuckeye 2472]

1 hour ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

Ah.  Perp was also killed. Never mind.

He ate his own bullet.

[cabowabo 4487]

Why don’t that wait until the target makes a grocery store run, etc.  to arrest them?  Breaking into their habitation seems unnecessary and dangerous. 

[BrickTop 477]

Why don’t that wait until the target makes a grocery store run, etc.  to arrest them?  Breaking into their habitation seems unnecessary and dangerous. 

Probably so they don’t start a gun battle in the grocery store or deal with hostages.

[cabowabo 4487]

4 minutes ago, BrickTop said:

Probably so they don’t start a gun battle in the grocery store or deal with hostages.

Tackle his ass in the parking lot. 

[BrickTop 477]

Tackle his ass in the parking lot. 

Still a higher risk of gunfire in public I’d think also probably harder to catch him by surprise

[NorthTexasCougar 54]

47 minutes ago, BrickTop said:

Still a higher risk of gunfire in public I’d think also probably harder to catch him by surprise

 

Not necessarily, it can be done, just need to be creative...

https://imgur.com/G5GKC6G

[BrickTop 477]

Lol totally agree but the addition of people in a crowded place I’d think would amplify the risk regardless

[Cousin Strawberry 1261]

1 hour ago, cabowabo said:

Why don’t that wait until the target makes a grocery store run, etc.  to arrest them?  Breaking into their habitation seems unnecessary and dangerous. 

Cause kicking doors in is more fun. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

6 hours ago, TaxMaster said:

Does the FBI usually moderate/high-risk residential warrants? I guess I always assumed state/local departments and/or US Marshals went in first and secured the location.

Probably a crime org. crossing state lines, that gets the FBI involved I believe.

[TwiceHorn 31489]

In all likelihood, this was a search warrant for computers in a child pr0n case.  Like human/sex trafficking, it is a federal law enforcement priority.

It probably involved the internet, which gives the interstate commerce nexus to yield federal jurisdiction, a la "wire fraud" and "mail fraud."  I think this is a bad idea because it federalizes traditionally state crimes for no really good reason.

I believe a lot of federal search warrants involve "task forces" that include local and state authorities, who are also involved in executing the warrants.  It all depends on the investigation:  if staties/locals involved in the investigation, they will be involved in the search, if not, they won't, typically.

These "task forces" are so common that I believe the feds ought to mostly be retasked as advisors for mostly state criminal cases, so that federal criminal jurisdiction can be cut way back.

Edited February 3, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[TwiceHorn 31489]

2 hours ago, cabowabo said:

Why don’t that wait until the target makes a grocery store run, etc.  to arrest them?  Breaking into their habitation seems unnecessary and dangerous. 

Agreed.  Feds seem to love to do it at the break of dawn, which is needlessly terroristic.

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

3 hours ago, cabowabo said:

Why don’t that wait until the target makes a grocery store run, etc.  to arrest them?  Breaking into their habitation seems unnecessary and dangerous. 

I'm sure they make their decision based upon their assessment of the suspect.  This dude probably had no record of violence.  They probably thought he was just a pervert and would cry on his way to jail.  But, if he had a legally purchased gun they would have known about it.   

I do wonder if the agents were wearing body armour.  

[Nonbryan 173]

Lead FBI agent George Piro, who is quoted in that story, is a BAD ASS!!!  He is the guy that got Saddam Hussein to take him in like a son when he was captured and in prison.  Really interesting story if you get a chance to look it up.

[immortal13 4059]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Agreed.  Feds seem to love to do it at the break of dawn, which is needlessly terroristic.

What better way to start your day?

[futureman 22469]

9 hours ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

Ah.  Perp was also killed. Never mind.

good

8 hours ago, VABuckeye said:

He ate his own bullet.

good

[Surly Bevo 24971]

 

[Longhornstampede 3182]

<Joe Biden> just shoot him in the leg <Joe Biden> 🙄

[Mantis Toboggan, MD 1501]

Why don’t that wait until the target makes a grocery store run, etc.  to arrest them?  Breaking into their habitation seems unnecessary and dangerous. 

Because when you raid them they are shocked and end up confessing more often than not. Violence on CP raids is not common.

[deadshank 24653]

Article clearly states it was a search warrant and not an arrest warrant.  Gotta go to the location to execute the search warrant.  

 

[cabowabo 4487]

16 hours ago, deadshank said:

Article clearly states it was a search warrant and not an arrest warrant.  Gotta go to the location to execute the search warrant.  

 

So, wait until he leaves and break the fuck in. 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

On 2/2/2021 at 9:46 PM, dingleberryswitzer said:

I'm sure they make their decision based upon their assessment of the suspect.  This dude probably had no record of violence.  They probably thought he was just a pervert and would cry on his way to jail.  But, if he had a legally purchased gun they would have known about it.   

I do wonder if the agents were wearing body armour.  

There are plenty of ways to legally purchase a gun without the feds knowing about it.

[Armybrat 40850]

On 2/2/2021 at 8:22 PM, Cousin Strawberry said:

Cause kicking doors in is more fun. 

And they might get to shoot a dog?

[Cajun 11714]

22 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

There are plenty of ways to legally purchase a gun without the feds knowing about it.

Yup

[TwiceHorn 31489]

11 hours ago, cabowabo said:

So, wait until he leaves and break the fuck in. 

I honestly don't know about the legality of that, but agree with the idea.

Showing  up with a goon squad at zero dark thirty seems unnecessarily likely to provoke a bad outcome, whether the perp is known to be armed or dangerous or not.

Edited February 4, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[BabaYaga 15300]

33 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I honestly don't know about the legality of that, but agree with the idea.

Showing  up with a goon squad at zero dark thirty seems unnecessarily likely to provoke a bad outcome, whether the perp is known to be armed or dangerous or not.

If it was the FBI and they were serving what appeared to be a high-risk warrant, more than likely it was members of HRT with the field officers.  HRT is a Tier I unit, officially formed because of obvious posse comitatus concerns with our other two Tier I groups on domestic soil (CAG and DEVGRU)......who usually make up their ranks due to the extremely high qualification standards.  

If HRT members show up on your doorstep it means there is some serious shit afoot and it's about to get ugly.  Or there is a very high potential for violent escalation.  Unlike international incidents where CAG?DEVGRU door-kickers are involved, HRT has to abide by the judges explicit orders.  A "search" warrant vs. an arrest warrant "warrant" (pun intended) two very different entry options.  They literally have to knock on the door and get sucked into the killbox (doorway) so many former operators are scared of being in.

Just sucks all around.  

[Carl Spackler 3483]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

If it was the FBI and they were serving what appeared to be a high-risk warrant, more than likely it was members of HRT with the field officers.  HRT is a Tier I unit, officially formed because of obvious posse comitatus concerns with our other two Tier I groups on domestic soil (CAG and DEVGRU)......who usually make up their ranks due to the extremely high qualification standards.  

If HRT members show up on your doorstep it means there is some serious shit afoot and it's about to get ugly.  Or there is a very high potential for violent escalation.  Unlike international incidents where CAG?DEVGRU door-kickers are involved, HRT has to abide by the judges explicit orders.  A "search" warrant vs. an arrest warrant "warrant" (pun intended) two very different entry options.  They literally have to knock on the door and get sucked into the killbox (doorway) so many former operators are scared of being in.

Just sucks all around.  

Coincidentally, I was discussing the incident yesterday with one of my brothers, who is recently-retired FBI, and I asked him if he thought hostage rescue got called in.  He had no info, but said he would be surprised if HRT was involved and not surprised if the Miami field office SWAT team was present in some capacity.  It sounds like it was task force team members who were executing the warrant, though.   

[BabaYaga 15300]

2 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Coincidentally, I was discussing the incident yesterday with one of my brothers, who is recently-retired FBI, and I asked him if he thought hostage rescue got called in.  He had no info, but said he would be surprised if HRT was involved and not surprised if the Miami field office SWAT team was present in some capacity.  It sounds like it was task force team members who were executing the warrant, though.   

Could very well be.  I do know they often accompany or even serve high-risk warrants.  There's no formal template.  Bandwidth and resource constraints often dictate who goes where.  I've worked informally with HRT guys, and Jesus Christ on a cracker are they legit.  I do know every person on the planet who has ever served a warrant wants these guys as backup.  

[Carl Spackler 3483]

15 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Could very well be.  I do know they often accompany or even serve high-risk warrants.  There's no formal template.  Bandwidth and resource constraints often dictate who goes where.  I've worked informally with HRT guys, and Jesus Christ on a cracker are they legit.  I do know every person on the planet who has ever served a warrant wants these guys as backup.  

Yeah, those guys are definitely no joke. 

[riloh05 107]

epstein died again?