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Laughed until I cried...So how do I walk?  really got me.  

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This throw deserves the MLB thread.   

Beau Vine
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So in 2009, my daughter and I were in Omaha at the CWS.  I got an email from her softball coach saying that they had a kid drop off the All-Star team and would she want to replace her?  But she'd have

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White Sox lose another one for a long time. 

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The White Sox announced that second baseman Nick Madrigal is going on the 60-day injured list with a proximal tear of his right hamstring. Outfielder Brian Goodwin has been selected to the active and 40-man rosters in his place. Season-ending surgery is a possibility for Madrigal, general manager Rick Hahn tells reporters. Madrigal has a complete tear of one hamstring tendon and a partial tear in another, per Hahn, who says the club will decide on a course of action for his rehab in about a week.

That sounds painful. 

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3 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Funny how you had nothing to say when Cole shutdown that potent Twins lineup the other day, spin rate as normal. Made Donaldson his bitch as well.

Ok, now why would I care either way? Gerrit Cole's spin rate doesn't mean shit to me because my "FUCK GERRIT COLE" mic is always hot. I mean, as an affiliate of myself...

But Aroldis Chapaman walkoff HRs? Now that is always some funny shit. 

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deGrom went 6 scoreless against San Diego tonight.  He's allowed 4 ER on the season.  As a hitter he's scored 4 runs and has 5 RBI.

His ERA is down to 0.56, right at half of Bob Gibson's 1.12 in 1968.  Anyone think he beats it?  And if he does, how impressive is it considering Gibson threw 304.2 innings that year?

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deGrom went 6 scoreless against San Diego tonight.  He's allowed 4 ER on the season.  As a hitter he's scored 4 runs and has 5 RBI.
His ERA is down to 0.56, right at half of Bob Gibson's 1.12 in 1968.  Anyone think he beats it?  And if he does, how impressive is it considering Gibson threw 304.2 innings that year?
Gibson's 1.12 has always been overrated by people who don't understand relative performance. IIRC, 7 NL pitchers had ERA below 2.00 that season.
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8 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

why do intentional walks count against pitchers? they don't even throw a single pitch and get a BB added to their stats.

Be a man and face the better batter?  IW is almost always given as a part of strategy or to gain a chance for better advantage.  The stat hit is justified, IMHO.

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27 minutes ago, slorch said:

Be a man and face the better batter?  IW is almost always given as a part of strategy or to gain a chance for better advantage.  The stat hit is justified, IMHO.

the manager is the one who makes the call to IBB a hitter. the pitcher deserves a walk on his record because his manager decided to face the next hitter? i don't think so.

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Why do they issue intentional walks? Managers also call the shift of the infielders. If the pitcher yields a hit that goes away from the shift, by your rationale it shouldn’t countAgainst the pitcher since it was a manager’s decision. 
 

I understand where you’re coming from, especially in this age of cyber metrics and their relation to contracts and the way players are evaluated. I disagree that there’s not an advantage gained by the pitcher, however. 

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10 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

why do intentional walks count against pitchers? they don't even throw a single pitch and get a BB added to their stats.

I mean, it has to be scored as a walk because it is a walk. The hitter must be credited with a walk from the plate appearance, whether he "earned it" like Bonds used to or he gets it simply because he hits in front of the pitcher. So the pitcher must also be charged a walk. 

To your point, I am somewhat surprised to see that most of the prominent advanced pitching stats don't appear to differentiate between intentional and unintentional walks. But even philosophically, I'm not sure it is that cut-and-dry as to say that a pitcher doesn't ever "deserve" at least some responsibility for the IBB, as they are often issued because 1B is open (meaning there are baserunners in scoring position), though often it is simply playing the percentages. 

Over the last 5 full seasons (2015-2019), IBB represented about 6% of all BB. Which means even for starting pitchers, we're talking about fewer than 10 IBB per season. For example, Justin Verlander has thrown almost 3,000 innings in his career and has issued 27 IBB. His highest season total was 8, and he has had 4 seasons with 0 IBB and 4 more seasons with 1 IBB. 

So - its probably not statistically relevant enough to differentiate between IBB and BB.

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34 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

there are team rebounds and team turnovers in basketball. just because an event occurs doesn't mean it has to be attributed to a player.

OK, but in baseball the result of every PA is attributed to the batter and the pitcher. I guess it doesn't have to be that way, but it works pretty well. 

About 0.5% of all PAs result in an IBB. It's mostly noise in that IBB probably don't skew a pitcher's metrics in any meaningful way. 

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Rosin bags will continue to be allowed but rosin cannot be combined with sunscreen or other substances, and pitchers are being told not to use sunscreen after sunset in outdoor stadiums and not to use it at all in indoor ballparks. Umpires will inspect rosin bags before games to make sure they are standard.

 

Seems like that is going to be tough to enforce.  As a pasty old dude, I am supposed to liberally apply sunscreen every time I go outside.  It is hard as hell to not get it on other things unintentionally.  Then there is the 'don't use sunscreen after sunset' bit.  Since most games aren't played after sunset....

 

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Seems like that is going to be tough to enforce.  As a pasty old dude, I am supposed to liberally apply sunscreen every time I go outside.  It is hard as hell to not get it on other things unintentionally.  Then there is the 'don't use sunscreen after sunset' bit.  Since most games aren't played after sunset....

 

Tyler Glasnow is claiming the new enforcement contributed to his injury.  Ole big mouth pitcher for the Dodgers is ranting like a mofo on the subject.

Tyler Glasnow trying to avoid Tommy John surgery after partial UCL tear, blames new MLB crackdown

Glasnow will try rehab first to avoid the season-ending surgery, though it’s unclear when he’d be able to return to the Rays' lineup. 

A timeline, the team said, will be determined after further evaluation. Glasnow has been placed on the 10-day injured list.

Glasnow left after 4 innings vs. White Sox

Glasnow left Monday night’s game after four innings with right elbow inflammation. He allowed two runs and three hits in the win, and had six strikeouts on 53 pitches.

He said after the game that he felt “a little tug” in his elbow after throwing a fastball in the fourth inning, and then felt “a pull every time I threw” as he closed out that inning.

“It was just probably better for me not to go out and throw again,” he said after the game, noting that it wasn’t a “crazy pain” in his elbow, via MLB.com’s Adam Berry.

“I think I got it relatively early. I was just like, ‘I don’t want to go back out there and chance it.’ The velo and everything was still there. But yeah, it just felt not right.”

Glasnow holds a 5-2 record with a 2.66 ERA this season. Tampa has a league-best 43-24 record and it has the third-best odds, according to BetMGM, of winning the AL pennant at +450. 

The 27-year-old boasts an impressive 16-4 record over the past three seasons with the Rays, and is 10-2 in his past 21 starts. He is tied with Cleveland ace Shane Bieber for second-best odds (+600) of winning the AL Cy Young Award, trailing only Gerrit Cole of the New York Yankees (-140).  

Glasnow blames new MLB sticky stuff crackdown 

Later on Tuesday, Glasnow slammed Major League Baseball's decision to crack down on the use of foreign substances. 

That move to start enforcing the long-ignored rule, he said, is why he hurt his elbow.

"I just threw 80 something innings and you just told me I can't use anything. I have to change everything," he said, via Bally Sports' Tricia Whitaker. "I truly believe 100% that's why I got hurt. 

"I'm frustrated MLB doesn't understand. You can't just tell us to use nothing. It's crazy."

The league announced sweeping new enforcement guidelines Tuesday, and will start checking pitchers and others randomly throughout games for foreign substances next week. If a player is caught with any foreign substance on their person, they will be ejected immediately and then suspended for 10 games.

Glasnow said Monday night that the ball was “extremely slick,” and that he had to stop using anything — even sunscreen. After he made that change a few starts ago, he said he felt sore after games and has struggled to grip the ball.

"I don't want this to happen to anyone else," he said, via Bally Sports. "My lifelong dream is I wanna win a Cy Young [award] and be an All-Star and now it's just s**t on. Now it's over. Now I have to try to rehab to come back in the playoffs. 

"I'm clearly frustrated. You can't just tell us to use nothing. It's crazy."

Glasnow wasn't the only one upset by MLB's new crackdown. 

 
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To be clear, the memo is fine long term, and it will serve to level the playing field. That is a good thing. But to implement it mid season when for 3 months you’ve promised players and teams that nothing about your chosen enforcement of the rules would change this year and
 
While we’re at it, @mlb please tell us how umpires who have never been trained to know what a “sticky” substance is or isn’t are supposed to automatically enforce that uniformly? What is the standard for what is “sticky” and what’s not? Might want to clarify that, ya know, for
 
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The “competitive integrity” of the game. It would be really unfair to have one crew think sticky is one thing and another crew to think it’s another thing. Rules are supposed to be uniformly enforced right? Almost like you should’ve used an off season to define that
 
 
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So Glasnow's complaint is basically, "since I can't use substances to get the performance enhancements I have become accustomed to, I have had to alter my natural grip and that has led to health problems." 

In other words, "if I can't bend/break the rules, then i can't be as effective."

That may not earn him a ton of sympathy.

And although Bauer is an insufferable douchebag, he's not wrong about this.

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Bauer is such a hypocritical cheating piece of shit human. And he's a bald-faced liar for peddling this bullshit about MLB just arbitrarily enforcing the rule now as if the Bauers and Glasnows didn't have ample warning.

I agree that this is a league problem and not a player problem and the league will scapegoat a select few individuals, but the players aren't helping their cause when they are actively lying to fans about some key facts.

MLB warned about this in Feb 2020 and again this past March, with much more detailed explanation of the GameDay Compliance Monitor process and how punishment could be meted out if the rules contined to violated by pitchers and/or team personnel.

Enough lying, Tyler. We all know you're a Spider Tack user and you cheated your way to a CYA and a big contract with the Dodgers.

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Why are our Astros diehards are so completely triggered by Bauer?
Possibly because he's a punk ass bitch?

You know the history unless you are so old you have forgotten already. 2018 was the start of it with Cole/Bregman/McCullers

Then he continually makes it easy to hate him regardless if the Astros are involved or not (see "throwing ball over CF wall like a dipshit who forgot to take his meds"as one example)

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43 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Why are our Astros diehards are so completely triggered by Bauer?

Because he acted at times as if Houston was the evil empire of cheating.  He also thinks he's some kind of outlaw, but was actually doing Manfred's bidding by making his tweets and statements in such a manner.

Add in, that pre-cheating scandal, he had already been running a feud with LMJ, Cole,  and Bregman; alluding to...wait for it...sudden improvement when pitchers came to the Astros organization.

 

He likes starting shit, which is fine I guess.  Don't be all pissy when it comes back your way though.  He's an insufferable cunt.

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38 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Why are our Astros diehards are so completely triggered by Bauer?

They’re the most sensitive and easily offended group of humans I’ve ever come across, next to ex-cons. Bauer is a breath of fresh air. He always tells it like it is, has spoken out about how dumb many unwritten rules are, and doesn’t get his feelings hurt when guys pimp homers or play to win (he supported Tatis Jr when he hit that “controversial” grand slam last year). Game needs more players like him. Mention Bauer, Jomboy, Cole, or cheating and Astros fans will get red in the face and start crying. It’s sad.

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