Super Bowl LV Game Thread: Chiefs vs Bucs

[Brothahorn 10096]

There was a time when I thought the Queen was sexy  as hell and would have knocked her ass off in a NY minute. Then I found out just how much we had in common.

[immamac 44199]

13 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

How does one do that when one cannot interface with the site to use Cookie Monster?  Clear it from the browser so it requests another?

yep. I leave those in rotation in case one of the 3 main ones dies it serves as a "warm standby" type setup, my guess is tonight some people got unlucky and put on one of these and they are much lower horsepower so maybe just got overloaded or something. 

[Dr. Teeth 5868]

3 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

There was a time when I thought the Queen was sexy  as hell and would have knocked her ass off in a NY minute. Then I found out just how much we had in common.

Ice Age?

[hookem48 4808]

19 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Zero time to throw all game will do that. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that bad before. It was comical.

Craig Morton of Denver says hi

[MNLonghornFUKM 8963]

My wife won 3 of 4 quarters.

It matches the amount of quarters she’s watched all season I bet

[hookem48 4808]

maybe the Chiefs oline should have been getting more credit the last few years

[aggie08 21733]

Just now, hookem48 said:

maybe the Chiefs oline should have been getting more credit the last few years

Eric Fisher's agent is already on the phone with their GM discussing a renegotiation.

[Pato del Muerto 53332]

9 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

29 QB pressures for Tampa today, most of them with 4 guys. 
getting pressure with 4 is the only thing that kills the modern offense nowadays. No solution at all for that. 

Maybe losing fisher 2 weeks ago made them noncompetitive. 

[Machinator 32102]

And their All-Pro RT Mitchell Swartz has been on IR since mid-November.

[UpperWestside 6263]

I did not watch this game closely, but I did get a friend to place a bet for me over in Jersey on Tampa winning the game straight up. My thinking was fairly simple. I felt what most folks might call some irrational confidence in Todd Bowles. I took Brady completely out of the equation and said that Bowles was not going to have his defense be embarrassed again by Tyreek Hill and that they'd shut him down. I told this same friend this before the game and he kinda waived that off. I just could not see Mahomes beating that defense today and that Bowles would have a plan in place that would shut them down. Again I just felt this irrational confidence in him for whatever reason.

I also partially placed the bet because this would be payback for Brady since Spagnuolo shut him down in what could have been the 19-0 season when he was the DC with the Giants. There was ample motivation for Brady to beat Mahomes as well as Spagnuolo. He did both and what I did see of Brady looked like his vintage self. The guy is simply incredible. 

I also think it should be mentioned that Byron Leftwich is one heckuva offensive coordinator. Perhaps this has happened, but would this be the first time that a team with African-Americans as both coordinators has won the Super Bowl? I honestly do not know as I don't keep up with the NFL that closely anymore. I thought they were both superb. I think Bowles might be a guy better suited to being a DC than the guy running the show. I will be interested to see who eventually hires Leftwich as their head coach. I always liked him as a player going back to Marshall. Seems like a pretty good guy from what I can tell. 

[Bateshorn 9989]

33 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

i gotta be honest... he didnt have too many short throws... he made like 9 houdini rules, but his receivers dropped multiple throws that would have at least made it closer

Andy Reid never adjusted his game plan to deal with the Tampa rush.  Not sure I saw a planned  bootleg, screen, or hot route all game.  Just a lot of let’s look deep down the middle, the have a injured Mahomes run for his life. 
 

 

[Brothahorn 10096]

14 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

Ice Age?

Well it was the late 80's, early 90's so yeah.

[hookem48 4808]

 

so no Alabama players on either team? is that right?

[Machinator 32102]

Just now, hookem48 said:

 

so no Alabama players on either team? is that right?

Not on the active squad. OJ Howard would be on the Bucs' if not for a season-ending injury.

[Wishbone 4924]

Not much of a reach here…but I’m thinking KC will be OL focused in the draft and free agency market.

[SurlyBDR 23103]

[hookem48 4808]

2 minutes ago, Machinator said:

Not on the active squad. OJ Howard would be on the Bucs' if not for a season-ending injury.

damn that's crazy

[Machinator 32102]

 

[Funk Doctor Spock 13121]

Man, there were some throws Mahomes was making while being tackled that I thought would end up as tds. That's one talented motherfucker. I mean, we all know he's talented, but Jesus he has a rare gift. 

[FondrenRoad 4378]

37 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

29 QB pressures for Tampa today, most of them with 4 guys. 
getting pressure with 4 is the only thing that kills the modern offense nowadays. No solution at all for that. 

Those backup tackles for KC were getting wrecked all night. 75 especially. Story of the game really. Even so, there were a handful of Mahomes throws where he was in the grasp and still hit his receiver in the face mask. If they catch those, its a different game.  His receivers played like they expected a sack and that fucked the team. Mahomes actually played his ass off under the circumstances. 

Edited February 8, 2021 by FondrenRoad

[Hate 20232]

29 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

It matches the amount of quarters she’s watched all season I bet

She loves football.  She plays in FF league with me and has actually won it before. 

[immortal13 4059]

18 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Andy Reid never adjusted his game plan to deal with the Tampa rush.  Not sure I saw a planned  bootleg, screen, or hot route all game.  Just a lot of let’s look deep down the middle, the have a injured Mahomes run for his life. 
 

 

This. Or mix in some draw plays? But to have Mahomes dropping back virtually every play was idiotic

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23 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Andy Reid never adjusted his game plan to deal with the Tampa rush.  Not sure I saw a planned  bootleg, screen, or hot route all game.  Just a lot of let’s look deep down the middle, the have a injured Mahomes run for his life. 
 

 

[Hate 20232]

23 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Andy Reid never adjusted his game plan to deal with the Tampa rush.  Not sure I saw a planned  bootleg, screen, or hot route all game.  Just a lot of let’s look deep down the middle, the have a injured Mahomes run for his life. 
 

 

They also didn't ever go max protect to give him any time.  It's usually where KC has the advantage in that Mahomes can get rid of the ball so quickly or buy time in the pocket that KC can only have 5 blockers and maybe leave the back in to pick up a blitz.  They didn't have that luxury tonight.  Someone up thread mentioned it, but you have to be able to get pressure with 4 against a team like the Chiefs.  It was the same way when the Giants beat Brady those 2 times. 

[Scooter Monzingo 821]

4 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

This. Or mix in some draw plays? But to have Mahomes dropping back virtually every play was idiotic

I think the DUI shit with his kid permeated through the team. Throw in some OL issues and in hindsight it isn’t surprising. Like that Falcons squad and hookers.

[immortal13 4059]

6 minutes ago, Scooter Monzingo said:

I think the DUI shit with his kid permeated through the team. Throw in some OL issues and in hindsight it isn’t surprising. Like that Falcons squad and hookers.

DUI shit? Man I must have been under a rock...

[Helobious 9755]

15 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

This. Or mix in some draw plays? But to have Mahomes dropping back virtually every play was idiotic

They had 2 good runs off the draw with Edwards-Helaire. Should’ve gone to it more.

[Had Enough 2108]

29 QB pressures for Tampa today, most of them with 4 guys. 
getting pressure with 4 is the only thing that kills the modern offense nowadays. No solution at all for that. 

This is it right here. Every football coach in the world should understand this. Protect the passer and harass the passer.

I said it in the Brady ass kissing thread. He's Mack Jones. Mack Jones whipped ass in large part because his teammates were dominant. No one will ever match 7 titles, but there was nothing special about his playoff run or tonight with respect to his performance. He played well but he was kept incredibly clean. And it ain't all because he gets rid of it so quick. Spare me the shit he sees stuff others don't. Based on the individual performances tonight, I'd damn near take every Buc over their KC counterpart.

Mahomes had two incredible throws doink right off receivers in the end zone. Not easy catches mind you but very catchable. If you switch QBs teams, Mahomes wins and it isn't close. His stats won't reflect it but he played pretty well.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

4 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

This is it right here. Every football coach in the world should understand this. Protect the passer and harass the passer.

I said it in the Brady ass kissing thread. He's Mack Jones. Mack Jones whipped ass in large part because his teammates were dominant. No one will ever match 7 titles, but there was nothing special about his playoff run or tonight with respect to his performance. He played well but he was kept incredibly clean. And it ain't all because he gets rid of it so quick. Spare me the shit he sees stuff others don't. Based on the individual performances tonight, I'd damn near take every Buc over their KC counterpart.

Mahomes had two incredible throws doink right off receivers in the end zone. Not easy catches mind you but very catchable. If you switch QBs teams, Mahomes wins and it isn't close. His stats won't reflect it but he played pretty well.

Mahomes played a phenomenal game. He made some ridiculous throws in trouble that were dropped. He had no protection all night.  It may very well be a different story without OL injuries.  But they scored 31 last year. Bucs scored 31 this year and sat on the ball at the end. So maybe in the end, Brady was able to carve up the KC defense better than SF last year.  And better than Winston could do with TB receivers. Sure it's not all Brady. People forget that Manziel owes Mike Evans every dollar he ever made.  Godwin is a WR1 on most teams. But it was a mediocre squad overall and Brady took Winston's mediocre squad to a title. 

[Hornius Emeritus 12780]

Man did I ever show up to the wrong party.

 

[RPM 26560]

1 hour ago, clapclapclap said:

I guess we're all just making it up.  

 

That was from 2018...

[Tailgate 3054]

[Had Enough 2108]

Mahomes played a phenomenal game. He made some ridiculous throws in trouble that were dropped. He had no protection all night.  It may very well be a different story without OL injuries.  But they scored 31 last year. Bucs scored 31 this year and sat on the ball at the end. So maybe in the end, Brady was able to carve up the KC defense better than SF last year.  And better than Winston could do with TB receivers. Sure it's not all Brady. People forget that Manziel owes Mike Evans every dollar he ever made.  Godwin is a WR1 on most teams. But it was a mediocre squad overall and Brady took Winston's mediocre squad to a title. 

They also added a 1st rounder to the Oline, Antonio Brown, Gronkowski, Fournette. I don't think they even had to give up anything for those last 3. Brady delivered the ball but he was rarely touched or even had to move tonight. That's critical for an old guy. Look at Brees and his 10 broken ribs.

They are an incredibly balanced team. Depth at all skill positions save QB. LBers are dominant. Dline good. Then the DBs made plays that sealed the deal. That defense harassed the hell out of Rodgers and Mahomes. It also created critical turnovers and got critical stops. A couple of those DBs were new to the team this year too.

It just annoys the heck out of me when many on the team don't get their due respect.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

17 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

 

 

They also added a 1st rounder to the Oline, Antonio Brown, Gronkowski, Fournette. I don't think they even had to give up anything for those last 3. Brady delivered the ball but he was rarely touched or even had to move tonight. That's critical for an old guy. Look at Brees and his 10 broken ribs.

They are an incredibly balanced team. Depth at all skill positions save QB. LBers are dominant. Dline good. Then the DBs made plays that sealed the deal. That defense harassed the hell out of Rodgers and Mahomes. It also created critical turnovers and got critical stops. A couple of those DBs were new to the team this year too.

It just annoys the heck out of me when many on the team don't get their due respect.

 

Of course. Its a team sport.  The game was a healthy KC OL from being a shootout. 

Regardless, Jameis Winston could have this exact same TB team, plus the Brady followers like Gronk, and they dont make the superbowl much less win it.  So while it is a team game, Brady is a difference maker. Is he the only one?  No.  Even in this game, I saw Mahomes make quite a lot of throws on the run while being hit.   And I saw his receivers shit on his efforts. And I saw Brady operate in air conditioned comfort. Could you swap QBs and have Tampa still win?  Absolutely. But I've also seen Brady win titles with New England teams that were spare parts. So while I agree that this TB team is easily in the top quarter of Bradys teams, and everyone on the team deserves their ring, we are also having this discussion about a guy that has enough championship teams to talk about them in quarters, and he put this team over the hump.  At some point, it can't be a coincidence that Brady has lapped everyone else multiple times. The Patriots went 7-9 this year too. Same record as the Bucs last year. They just need a Tom Brady. 

Edited February 8, 2021 by FondrenRoad

[Funk Doctor Spock 13121]

Fear not, Surly fam. Now that Tampa has won the SB, Sark will now get us to the CFP, and Tom Herman still sucks. The trifecta is now complete. 

[FondrenRoad 4378]

5 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Of course. Its a team sport.  The game was a healthy KC OL from being a shootout. 

Regardless, Jameis Winston could have this exact same TB team, plus the Brady followers like Gronk, and they dont make the superbowl much less win it.  So while it is a team game, Brady is a difference maker. Is he the only one?  No.  Even in this game, I saw Mahomes make quite a lot of throws on the run while being hit.   And I saw his receivers shit on his efforts. And I saw Brady operate in air conditioned comfort. Could you swap QBs and have Tampa still win?  Absolutely. But I've also seen Brady win titles with New England teams that were spare parts. So while I agree that this TB team is easily in the top quarter of Bradys teams, and everyone on the team deserves their ring, we are also having this discussion about a guy that has enough championship teams to talk about them in quarters, and he put this team over the hump.  At some point, it can't be a coincidence that Brady has lapped everyone else multiple times. The Patriots went 7-9 this year too. Same record as the Bucs last year. They just need a Tom Brady. 

To add about football being a team sport. 2020 Tom Brady would have won the national title with the underachieving Texas Longhorns.  He would have only managed a few wins with the Kansas Jayhawks, and may have been dead by the end of the season. But there are few other players that can make that type of difference. 

[Had Enough 2108]

To add about football being a team sport. 2020 Tom Brady would have won the national title with the underachieving Texas Longhorns.  He would have only managed a few wins with the Kansas Jayhawks, and may have been dead by the end of the season. But there are few other players that can make that type of difference. 

He's hurt by game 3 what with the 10 to 15 carries per game from the QB spot.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

7 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

18 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

To add about football being a team sport. 2020 Tom Brady would have won the national title with the underachieving Texas Longhorns.  He would have only managed a few wins with the Kansas Jayhawks, and may have been dead by the end of the season. But there are few other players that can make that type of difference. 

He's hurt by game 3 what with the 10 to 15 carries per game from the QB spot.

Nah. We have 43 year old Brady. He ain't running Herman's plays. The championship will be won in the huddle. 

[Longboard Horn 41319]

7 hours ago, Constant said:

Beating Brees, Rodgers, Mahomes on your way to your 7th ring. Incredible. 

I find it sad that Taylor Heinicke, a little 4th string for Washington, played with more heart against Brady than all 3 of the QBs mentioned above. 

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[Guest]

7 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

29 QB pressures for Tampa today, most of them with 4 guys. 
getting pressure with 4 is the only thing that kills the modern offense nowadays. No solution at all for that. 

In the pregame discussion when people were asking why the spread was so low for KC, people brought up the KC O-line being total shit.  Yeah, that was the difference in the game for sure.

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

I find it sad that Taylor Heinicke, a little 4th string for Washington, played with more heart against Brady than all 3 of the QBs mentioned above. 

Yeah...Mahomes wasn't trying...smdh.   He's always been a slacker.

[Pam Cummings 9823]

GB coulda used that ref help last week

 

 

 

 

Tampa got away with being more physical all playoffs.

[notre dame joe 202]

6 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

Of course. Its a team sport.  The game was a healthy KC OL from being a shootout. 

Regardless, Jameis Winston could have this exact same TB team, plus the Brady followers like Gronk, and they dont make the superbowl much less win it.  So while it is a team game, Brady is a difference maker. Is he the only one?  No.  Even in this game, I saw Mahomes make quite a lot of throws on the run while being hit.   And I saw his receivers shit on his efforts. And I saw Brady operate in air conditioned comfort. Could you swap QBs and have Tampa still win?  Absolutely. But I've also seen Brady win titles with New England teams that were spare parts. So while I agree that this TB team is easily in the top quarter of Bradys teams, and everyone on the team deserves their ring, we are also having this discussion about a guy that has enough championship teams to talk about them in quarters, and he put this team over the hump.  At some point, it can't be a coincidence that Brady has lapped everyone else multiple times. The Patriots went 7-9 this year too. Same record as the Bucs last year. They just need a Tom Brady. 

Gronk wouldn't come out of retirement to play for JW.  Brady adds teammates and makes everyone better.

[Brew 3049]

1 hour ago, Longboard Horn said:

I find it sad that Taylor Heinicke, a little 4th string for Washington, played with more heart against Brady than all 3 of the QBs mentioned above. 

Stupid take is stupid.

[aggie08 21733]

According to Next Gen stats, Mahomes ran 497 yards in his scrambles and attempts to buy time in the backfield.

Hard to even wrap your head around that. I've definitely never seen so many passes attempted from 15+ yards behind the LOS.

[Knoxtnhorn 6262]

Did I read somewhere that some crazy, nutcase .... I mean genius bet like 3.5 mil on Tampa?

[LTtxfan 49910]

 

"He's being chased to the 30, he breaks [...] from the security guard, the 20, down the middle of the 10, the five, he slides on the one and they converge on him at the goal line. Pull up your pants, take off the bra and be a man.

[LTtxfan 49910]

13 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

Did I read somewhere that some crazy, nutcase .... I mean genius bet like 3.5 mil on Tampa?

Not a nutcase - gives a lot of money to people in need in the H-Town area... Congrats on the Bet !!!

Edited February 8, 2021 by LTtxfan
Damn Autocorrect

[Knoxtnhorn 6262]

Oh wow.  I didn't know it was Mattress Mack.  I just saw "store owner".  And, the "nutcase" comment was in jest because he won.