Super Bowl LV Game Thread: Chiefs vs Bucs

[Hornius Emeritus 12420]

Fournette said it best:  “It’s so funny because, you know, he’s 43 years old, you know what I mean? It’s like your father calling you to come do something. He’s always calling me and the running backs [after practice], ‘Hey Lenny, Shady [McCoy], Ro [Jones], come get some routes.’ And that’s what we do."


People say "Put Mahomes on Tampa Bay and he would have won."  No.  Put Mahomes on Tampa Bay and they're not even there because Leonard Fournette and the rest of that team, which went 7-9 last year, aren't working for him like that.  Fournette is working like a dog for Brady because he doesn't want to upset/piss off/disappoint his dad.  He's not doing that for Mahomes or anybody else.  Brady took a mediocre team and bent it to his will.

GOAT.

 

[Slacks 6791]

Fournette said it best:  “It’s so funny because, you know, he’s 43 years old, you know what I mean? It’s like your father calling you to come do something. He’s always calling me and the running backs [after practice], ‘Hey Lenny, Shady [McCoy], Ro [Jones], come get some routes.’ And that’s what we do."


People say "Put Mahomes on Tampa Bay and he would have won."  No.  Put Mahomes on Tampa Bay and they're not even there because Leonard Fournette and the rest of that team, which went 7-9 last year, aren't working for him like that.  Fournette is working like a dog for Brady because he doesn't want to upset/piss off/disappoint his dad.  He's not doing that for Mahomes or anybody else.  Brady took a mediocre team and bent it to his will.

GOAT.

 

I'm gonna call false on this one.

Imagine Mahommes some how ended up in TB after winning the SB last year, and says, "Hey guys, lets get some work in so our offense can get rolling like the one I just ran..."

Do you think Fournette is going to respond with, "You aint my Daddy!"

They respect Tom for winning. They respect Tom because the coach and GM respect Tom. But mostly the winning. Not the age.

They could have hired Matt Schaub to be the old QB if that's all it took.

So, yeah, Mahommes with that defense and that OL would still rock... Probably more so, since other teams wouldnt be able to score.

[Slacks 6791]

Fournette said it best:  “It’s so funny because, you know, he’s 43 years old, you know what I mean? It’s like your father calling you to come do something. He’s always calling me and the running backs [after practice], ‘Hey Lenny, Shady [McCoy], Ro [Jones], come get some routes.’ And that’s what we do."


People say "Put Mahomes on Tampa Bay and he would have won."  No.  Put Mahomes on Tampa Bay and they're not even there because Leonard Fournette and the rest of that team, which went 7-9 last year, aren't working for him like that.  Fournette is working like a dog for Brady because he doesn't want to upset/piss off/disappoint his dad.  He's not doing that for Mahomes or anybody else.  Brady took a mediocre team and bent it to his will.

GOAT.

 

I'm gonna call false on this one.

Imagine Mahommes some how ended up in TB after winning the SB last year, and says, "Hey guys, lets get some work in so our offense can get rolling like the one I just ran..."

Do you think Fournette is going to respond with, "You aint my Daddy!"

They respect Tom for winning. They respect Tom because the coach and GM respect Tom. But mostly the winning. Not the age.

They could have hired Matt Schaub to be the old QB if that's all it took.

So, yeah, Mahommes with that defense and that OL would still rock... Probably more so, since other teams wouldnt be able to score.

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[Dennis Taylor 18706]

Brady was great, and he no doubt elevated the whole locker room and changed the culture of the Bucs.

 

But they gave up 9 points...

 

 

 

[Funk Doctor Spock 11923]

1 hour ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

Fournette said it best:  “It’s so funny because, you know, he’s 43 years old, you know what I mean? It’s like your father calling you to come do something. He’s always calling me and the running backs [after practice], ‘Hey Lenny, Shady [McCoy], Ro [Jones], come get some routes.’ And that’s what we do."


People say "Put Mahomes on Tampa Bay and he would have won."  No.  Put Mahomes on Tampa Bay and they're not even there because Leonard Fournette and the rest of that team, which went 7-9 last year, aren't working for him like that.  Fournette is working like a dog for Brady because he doesn't want to upset/piss off/disappoint his dad.  He's not doing that for Mahomes or anybody else.  Brady took a mediocre team and bent it to his will.

GOAT.

 

Absolutely perfect. This is why Brady wins. Motherfucker puts in more work than anyone combined. And no, you don't just put (X Y Z future HOFer there and we win). We won because Brady makes his team work harder than everyone else, AND they want to work hard for him. He treats everyone like they should be...a team. All I've heard is from backups to water boys that he treats every single one with the same respect. That's why he's the G.O.A.T.

Edited February 8, 2021 by Spider2YBanana

[Vic Mackey 46936]

40 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said:

Brady was great, and he no doubt elevated the whole locker room and changed the culture of the Bucs.

 

But they gave up 9 points...

 

 

 

And he scored 31 and this was with being stuffed at the goaline and pretty much not needing to do shit all 4th.

I fail to see your point here. Brady was in KC's defense ass all night long. It's not like they won the game 10-9

[Funk Doctor Spock 11923]

From the moment we went up 14-3 it panned to KC and they were scrambling. I think that's when I knew we would win. I didn't want to jinx it, but it was at that point I figured we would impose our will for the most part. Then seeing seeing White, David, and Barrett butt fucking that o-line just sealed it. 

[Dennis Taylor 18706]

4 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

And he scored 31 and this was with being stuffed at the goaline and pretty much not needing to do shit all 4th.

I fail to see your point here. Brady was in KC's defense ass all night long. It's not like they won the game 10-9

Can you honestly say you thought the Chiefs would be held to 9 fucking points? The fact that you mention Brady kicking KC's defense's ass kinda proves my point. The o/u was 56, and the line was Tampa +3. So the experts basically expected 30-27 Chiefs.  Did Mahomes play like shit, or did the Bucs D have something (everything) to do with that?     

[Funk Doctor Spock 11923]

25 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said:

Can you honestly say you thought the Chiefs would be held to 9 fucking points? The fact that you mention Brady kicking KC's defense's ass kinda proves my point. The o/u was 56, and the line was Tampa +3. So the experts basically expected 30-27 Chiefs.  Did Mahomes play like shit, or did the Bucs D have something (everything) to do with that?     

That was all the Bucs D. They formulated a plan after we lost week 12 to them and stuck to it. It also helped that Fisher was out, but regardless, 1 guys wasn't stopping our entire D that was in sync

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1 hour ago, Spider2YBanana said:

From the moment we went up 14-3 it panned to KC and they were scrambling. I think that's when I knew we would win. I didn't want to jinx it, but it was at that point I figured we would impose our will for the most part. Then seeing seeing White, David, and Barrett butt fucking that o-line just sealed it. 

KC won a lot of close games this year by not having ridiculous penalties, dropped balls all over the place, and making plays when it mattered or when they had to.  I could point to at least 1/2 dozen plays or so that if KC does what they are supposed to, this game has the potential to play much closer.  As it was, the game reminded me of one of the old school 80's or 90's SB beat downs that the NFC dished out on the regular to the likes of Miami, Denver, or Buffalo.

Despite the fact that I was a big Bucs fan before my oldest son moved to New Orleans (I am now a Saints fan for that Division and a Cowboy homer since the 70's), I found myself rooting for KC...which is also weird because as a Cowboys fan, I still have ire for Andy Reid and am also an NFC fan in general except for the 49ers and NFC East.  I fancy myself a pretty good judge of SB football, especially after watching the action in the playoffs and I did not see this coming.

[4th&Five 41461]

According to the NFL's Next Gen Stats, Mahomes ran 497 yards on his dropbacks, more than any quarterback since the league started tracking these things in 2016.

[Funk Doctor Spock 11923]

7 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

KC won a lot of close games this year by not having ridiculous penalties, dropped balls all over the place, and making plays when it mattered or when they had to.  I could point to at least 1/2 dozen plays or so that if KC does what they are supposed to, this game has the potential to play much closer.  As it was, the game reminded me of one of the old school 80's or 90's SB beat downs that the NFC dished out on the regular to the likes of Miami, Denver, or Buffalo.

Despite the fact that I was a big Bucs fan before my oldest son moved to New Orleans (I am now a Saints fan for that Division and a Cowboy homer since the 70's), I found myself rooting for KC...which is also weird because as a Cowboys fan, I still have ire for Andy Reid and am also an NFC fan in general except for the 49ers and NFC East.  I fancy myself a pretty good judge of SB football, especially after watching the action in the playoffs and I did not see this coming.

Right. I agree with you about their dropped balls, etc, but you also have to give credit to the defense for those, too. But, it was very uncharacteristic of Kelce to have so many. Once the defense let up in the 4th was when you saw Kelce and Hill finally doing what they've been doing. 

 

As for KC'S defense, Tom just picked them apart and we had a great game plan, it just boils down to that. Mahomes also didn't have great protection, either. It could have gone either way with a bunch of "if's" and "or's", but we came in with a great defense and shut their O down. But their offensive also was missing Fisher and their RT, but even then it may or may not have mattered at the end of the day. Mahomes also could have been blinded by the Spotlight, but we'll never know. 

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[Vic Mackey 46936]

2 hours ago, Spider2YBanana said:

Right. I agree with you about their dropped balls, etc, but you also have to give credit to the defense for those, too. But, it was very uncharacteristic of Kelce to have so many. Once the defense let up in the 4th was when you saw Kelce and Hill finally doing what they've been doing. 

 

As for KC'S defense, Tom just picked them apart and we had a great game plan, it just boils down to that. Mahomes also didn't have great protection, either. It could have gone either way with a bunch of "if's" and "or's", but we came in with a great defense and shut their O down. But their offensive also was missing Fisher and their RT, but even then it may or may not have mattered at the end of the day. Mahomes also could have been blinded by the Spotlight, but we'll never know. 

This was the first Super Bowl with big time expectations for Mahomes, too. They were 15-1. Trying to repeat. Last year, Mahomes was a great feel good story but no real expectations in his first Super Bowl. Kind of like Brady in his first Super Bowl. Except Brady was a 14pt underdog to a juggernaut Rams team. I believe KC was favored last year.

At one point, Mahomes had 8 incompletions in 10 passes and looked very bad. hell, there's times where it seems he doesn't have that many in 2 games combined. I've never seen KC's offense shut down the way they were last night. At no point, did it look like Mahomes found his groove and they were going to get going. The other times they trail in games, it is usually their own mistakes and they can fix those, get going and dismantle their opponent. But last night, they got down because they had no answer at all. On either side. Reid and his staff got outcoached. Mahomes was outplayed. Kelce/Hill had zero impact. It was surreal to see them get whipped in every facet of the game on the biggest stage. I would have expected a better gameplan and approach than we saw. Reid and company had to know Tampa's front 4 is strong and their OL is going to be under siege. And I saw no real adjustments during the game to try and do something else.

[PittsburghTiger 6137]

8 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Not a nutcase - gives a lot of money to people in need in the H-Town area... Congrats on the Bet !!!

So how much then does he win? Does he win exactly what he bet? 

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7 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

So how much then does he win? Does he win exactly what he bet? 

if he bet against the line, it means they normalize the score by the line (add 3.5 to the bucs) to make it a 50/50 bet*, winning him 100% of the bet value

 

 

 

(*we know we know its not precisely like that, but for simplication purpose its fine)

[Vic Mackey 46936]

[Doc Sam Beckett 5784]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

This was the first Super Bowl with big time expectations for Mahomes, too. They were 15-1. Trying to repeat. Last year, Mahomes was a great feel good story but no real expectations in his first Super Bowl. Kind of like Brady in his first Super Bowl. Except Brady was a 14pt underdog to a juggernaut Rams team. I believe KC was favored last year.

At one point, Mahomes had 8 incompletions in 10 passes and looked very bad. hell, there's times where it seems he doesn't have that many in 2 games combined. I've never seen KC's offense shut down the way they were last night. At no point, did it look like Mahomes found his groove and they were going to get going. The other times they trail in games, it is usually their own mistakes and they can fix those, get going and dismantle their opponent. But last night, they got down because they had no answer at all. On either side. Reid and his staff got outcoached. Mahomes was outplayed. Kelce/Hill had zero impact. It was surreal to see them get whipped in every facet of the game on the biggest stage. I would have expected a better gameplan and approach than we saw. Reid and company had to know Tampa's front 4 is strong and their OL is going to be under siege. And I saw no real adjustments during the game to try and do something else.

I dunno man, I actually started thinking KC won judging by the Surl  Mahomes love after the game. 

[Dirk X West 772]

52 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

I dunno man, I actually started thinking KC won judging by the Surl  Mahomes love after the game. 

Game recognize game

[Brothahorn 10085]

At least somebody from the Patriots had fun Sunday.

 

 

[Vic Mackey 46936]

Lmao. The streaker made bank on this. Good shit.

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(Scipio Tex) Super Bowl Thoughts: The Bold Bucs & Some Texas Takeaways

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I hope you've all recovered from the Weeknd. That was brutal. Was Smashmouth not available? Some quick thoughts on the dominating 31-9 Tampa Bay win... There may even be a few Texas relevant musings.

The Dueling DCs.

Steve Spagnuolo and Todd Bowles are both pressure DCs known for bringing the house in creative blitz packages. One of them won the the Super Bowl with his tendency defying game plan. The other struggled to contain an offense that never ran out of secondary and tertiary weapons led by a QB who never had his heart rate break 100.

Hats off to Tampa Bay DC Todd Bowles. Bowles is all about destroying opponent running games (the NFL's #1 rushing defense), leaving his corners on islands, and then sending numbers after the passer. He did none of that. He understood that "We're just gonna do what we do" was the only way the Chiefs could win. Chastened by a regular season matchup in which Tyreek Hill burned Tampa for 200+ yards in the first half against his preferred game plan, he decided to double down on coverage and rely on the favorable match up that his front four had against Kansas City's OL, specifically their replacement tackles. Bowles allowed the running game (Andy Reid wasn't patient enough to exploit it), played coverage to force Mahomes to hold on to the ball, and let his front do their work backed up by the best field covering linebacking duo in the league.

That they did. Bowles got withering pressure with a four man rush, took Hill completely out of the game (all of his yards were effectively short yardage late game filler), lived with what Kelce did to them on option routes (a contested 10-133 allowed, but some key 3rd down pass break ups), and dared Kansas City to beat him with their tertiary options. They couldn't. The most feared offense in the NFL got dominated and Patrick Mahomes was held under 100 yards passing deep into the 3rd quarter, finishing with an anemic sub 6 yards per passing attempt.

Contrast that with the ultra efficient Bucs, who moved the ball up and down the field despite their talented WR trio (Godwin, Evans, Brown) being held to a combined 8 catches and 62 yards. The ambidextrous Bucs could play left-handed. When a coach puts aside his entire philosophy to run a great game plan and executes it flawlessly, he gets a big attaboy. And guess what? He still got the withering pressure he covets - Patrick Mahomes was the most hurried (29 of 56 drop backs) and hit QB (14) in Super Bowl history.

Texas takeaway? Coaching matters. "We're just doing do what we do" is just stubbornness dressed up as commitment. I believe those days are over here. On both sides of the ball.

KC CB Bashaud Breeland.

The Kansas City cornerback had a tough Sunday. He was targeted in the passing game repeatedly, committed several big penalties that gave Tampa new life or flipped the field, and was also attacked in the running game as Tampa left the KC cornerbacks virtually unblocked and dared them to make a play. They couldn't. When Kansas City compensated for their deficient cornerback play, Tampa Bay's secondary pass catching and rushing options stuck it to them. Gronk hasn't run that open since he streaked the Tri Delt house in Tucson.

Texas Takeaway: playing good defense without good cornerback play against a good offense is nearly impossible. The '21 Horns have cornerback talent. Now they need to find and develop their own Devin White, Lavonte David, Shaq Barrett, Vita Vea....to complement it.

Tom Brady.

The talking head simpleton "Was it Brady or Belichick in New England?" debate doesn't interest me, but what does interest me is a 43 year old QB throwing nearly as many touchdowns as his age in the regular season and then playing the Super Bowl with surgical precision. That was his 10th Super Bowl. He's won 7 of them. Incredible. Texas Takeaway: Playmaking at QB isn't always found in the VY package. Sometimes it's how the QB enables the playmakers around him with a quick mind and accurate arm. Sark is looking for enablers.

It's Not How You Start, It's How You Finish.

12 games into the regular season, Tampa Bay was 7-5 and no sure thing to make the wildcard. They'd lost twice to the bully of their division, New Orleans, with the Saints pasting them 38-3 in that second matchup. They lost to a mediocre Chicago Bears, a more or less inexcusable loss. They lost two close games back to back against the Rams and Chiefs, "proving" that they simply didn't have elite quality.

And none of it mattered. They just got better, winning 8 in a row. Their OL continued to cohere (by year end, that was a damn good unit), their outside weapons got healthier, Brady and Arians tweaked the offense to a compromise that worked for both, the defense came together and Bowles proved game plan flexible, and they rattled off four regular season wins to earn the wildcard and then four playoff wins (three of those wins came as the clear underdog).

Texas Takeaway: Keep this in mind with the new regime at Texas. Nothing is written. The "same old Bucs" takes from November didn't age well. Remember that when you think "Same old Texas." The struggles and growth are what makes the eventual triumph all the more sweet.

 

[AUS-97HORN 11682]

7 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Lmao. The streaker made bank on this. Good shit.

I hope to god he collected on that bet before advertising that he was the streaker.       I could easily see a casino revoking that bet for any kind of borderline illegal reason.

[Vic Mackey 46936]

2 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

I hope to god he collected on that bet before advertising that he was the streaker.       I could easily see a casino revoking that bet for any kind of borderline illegal reason.

I would hope he got others to place the bet for him and not him personally.

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Bet on himself?

 

I don't see the problem there.  They shouldn't offer stupid bets...

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

I would hope he got others to place the bet for him and not him personally.

I’ll place the bet, win it, and we’ll split 4 grand a month for the next 93 months

[Paper_jam 831]

This Brady guy sounds like a bossy Type A personality who is obsessed with antiquated, patriarchal concepts of "winning" and "success."

 

 

 

[PsychMike 1539]

This is how you boat parade, with masks and hotties. They put the mask in mascots.]

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Btw... Thx for this @Cement 

 

Edited February 11, 2021 by LTtxfan

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