Buttigieg/Secretary of Transportation Thread

[SubliminalHorn 6647]

1 minute ago, Mo Horn said:

Would love for him to run. I just don't think there are enough middle of the road folks who will vote for a gay president, which is very sad. 

I’m not sure the gay thing matters too much anymore. Especially since he’s former military and masculine. I think him being a white boy from Indiana hurts him more.

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

The country would be sooooo much better with his leadership.

[Biff Tannen 45477]

21 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I’m not sure the gay thing matters too much anymore. Especially since he’s former military and masculine. I think him being a white boy from Indiana hurts him more.

You of all people should know it will always matter to a certain group of people.

[Red Five 40593]

If nothing else he's a knock it out of the park VP selection for someone.

[wildcat09 29187]

6 hours ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I still think he would be a fantastic presidential candidate if Biden doesn’t run in 24. Unfortunately progressives will attack him for being a white guy. 

Progressives will attack him for being a corporate shill.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Yeah progressives don’t like him because of his past with McKinsey and having the air of a former secret CIA.

[WhatTheBuck 28700]

8 hours ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I’m not sure the gay thing matters too much anymore. Especially since he’s former military and masculine. I think him being a white boy from Indiana hurts him more.

I think you’re wrong. 

[Chuckie Finster 22583]

My very Republican parents like him.  I don't think they'd ever vote for him, but I was still surprised to hear that... and have no idea how to translate what that means.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33824]

there's little to not like about him, unless you're a bigot. then that's on you

[HamsterHookah 112]

9 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

My very Republican parents like him.  I don't think they'd ever vote for him, but I was still surprised to hear that... and have no idea how to translate what that means.

There is not much NOT to like about the guy if we are all deeply honest.

The guy is whip smart, extremely articulate (not in a jokingingly using that word way) and just flat out one of the best communicators and public speakers I've ever heard in politics though I haven't been around that long.

He has rational positions which he defends with equal persuasiveness and sound logic and he lets those factual basis and positions speak for themselves. He's not too extreme one way or another and doesn't play identity politics.

He has military experience. He has governing experience, as small as it may be via South Bend, IN, and he has strong business experience and acumen.

The problem isn't that he's gay. The problem is he is a young, white, affluent male with obvious brains and ambition, thus he was born 25 years too late because the Dems, via the progressives and far left of the big tent, will never embrace him fully.

 

 

[Neonmoon 38127]

19 minutes ago, HamsterHookah said:

There is not much NOT to like about the guy if we are all deeply honest.

The guy is whip smart, extremely articulate (not in a jokingingly using that word way) and just flat out one of the best communicators and public speakers I've ever heard in politics though I haven't been around that long.

He has rational positions which he defends with equal persuasiveness and sound logic and he lets those factual basis and positions speak for themselves. He's not too extreme one way or another and doesn't play identity politics.

He has military experience. He has governing experience, as small as it may be via South Bend, IN, and he has strong business experience and acumen.

The problem isn't that he's gay. The problem is he is a young, white, affluent male with obvious brains and ambition, thus he was born 25 years too late because the Dems, via the progressives and far left of the big tent, will never embrace him fully.

 

 

This is incredibly dumb. Democrats prefer a white affluent male with brains and ambition. See Biden, Clinton, Gore, etc. 

The issue is popularity with minority voters, specifically black voters. Was it because Biden already had them in the bag? Was it because black culture historically has shunned homosexuality? Who knows 

The super progressive and far left love him 

 

[Biff Tannen 45477]

23 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

This is incredibly dumb. Democrats prefer a white affluent male with brains and ambition. See Biden, Clinton, Gore, etc. 

The issue is popularity with minority voters, specifically black voters. Was it because Biden already had them in the bag? Was it because black culture historically has shunned homosexuality? Who knows 

The super progressive and far left love him 

 

The first part before that was all correct, however.  Had to double check the author of that post, since he's usually such a knob.

[Neonmoon 38127]

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

The first part before that was all correct, however.  Had to double check the author of that post, since he's usually such a knob.

He doesn’t believe any of it. He said it as bait for the last sentence. You have to soften the target before you advance 

[SimonBolivar 10897]

I voted for him in the Texas Primary and will again if given the chance.

[HamsterHookah 112]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

He doesn’t believe any of it. He said it as bait for the last sentence. You have to soften the target before you advance 

I like Mayor Pete for all the reasons I stated above. I also liked Andrew Yang a lot too. But I do believe the last sentence fully— and you bringing up white men from 25 years ago (Clinton, Gore) and an obvious compromise candidate in Biden (who has been surprisingly good as a President) isn’t a very strong rebuttal.

[wildcat09 29187]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

This is incredibly dumb. Democrats prefer a white affluent male with brains and ambition. See Biden, Clinton, Gore, etc. 

The issue is popularity with minority voters, specifically black voters. Was it because Biden already had them in the bag? Was it because black culture historically has shunned homosexuality? Who knows 

The super progressive and far left love him 

 

People really will just say anything on this here internet.

[Incredulity 11532]

Truly, he was a villain to the far left in the 2020 primary.

[Satchel 6908]

7 hours ago, HamsterHookah said:

There is not much NOT to like about the guy if we are all deeply honest.

The guy is whip smart, extremely articulate (not in a jokingingly using that word way) and just flat out one of the best communicators and public speakers I've ever heard in politics though I haven't been around that long.

He has rational positions which he defends with equal persuasiveness and sound logic and he lets those factual basis and positions speak for themselves. He's not too extreme one way or another and doesn't play identity politics.

He has military experience. He has governing experience, as small as it may be via South Bend, IN, and he has strong business experience and acumen.

The problem isn't that he's gay. The problem is he is a young, white, affluent male with obvious brains and ambition, thus he was born 25 years too late because the Dems, via the progressives and far left of the big tent, will never embrace him fully.

 

 

Is that why he’ll eventually end of being the party’s standard bearer?

[InkaUtexas 25423]

He is getting the DC and Federal experience he needed. He is not going away and I would be happy to listen to his policies. When he ran it was easy for others to beat up on him for being only a Mayor. 

I could see him becoming an accepted moderate voice for the Dems. 

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2630]

On 1/6/2023 at 8:23 AM, Irwin F Fletcher said:

The country would be sooooo much better with his leadership.

100% this.   He oozes leadership and pragmatism.   Top characteristics for a president imo.  
 

Him being an amazing public speaker and debater is just the cherry on top.  I mean, can you imagine him debating trump or desantis?  He would destroy them  

[SydneyCarton 47809]

On 1/6/2023 at 5:25 PM, Neonmoon said:

This is incredibly dumb. Democrats prefer a white affluent male with brains and ambition. See Biden, Clinton, Gore, etc. 

The issue is popularity with minority voters, specifically black voters. Was it because Biden already had them in the bag? Was it because black culture historically has shunned homosexuality? Who knows 

The super progressive and far left love him 

 

Uh, no. He was widely castigated by progressives during the primaries because he was McKinsey trained, white, and because in reality he isn't really all that progressive, he's a centrist. 

He just seems progressive compared to Republicans. 

[henrygandorf 29174]

republicans called him a progressive.

progressives called him a republican.

[Gil Bang 25865]

On 1/6/2023 at 3:25 PM, Neonmoon said:

This is incredibly dumb. Democrats prefer a white affluent male with brains and ambition. See Biden, Clinton, Gore, etc. 

The issue is popularity with minority voters, specifically black voters. Was it because Biden already had them in the bag? Was it because black culture historically has shunned homosexuality? Who knows 

The super progressive and far left love him 

 

Today I posted the Carville conversation with Kristol.  Carville is convinced that a Dem must have street cred in the black churches of the south.   Pete ain't got it. 

[27-25 2040]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Uh, no. He was widely castigated by progressives during the primaries because he was McKinsey trained, white, and because in reality he isn't really all that progressive, he's a centrist. 

He just seems progressive compared to Republicans. 

One of the reasons I love him (no homo).  We could use some more centrists around here.  Of course many such people are still labeled socialists, so it's hard to tell sometimes.

[shakahorn 1625]

On 1/7/2023 at 9:21 AM, FORTY NINE TO ZERO said:

100% this.   He oozes leadership and pragmatism.   Top characteristics for a president imo.  
 

Him being an amazing public speaker and debater is just the cherry on top.  I mean, can you imagine him debating trump or desantis?  He would destroy them  

He's very good at sussing out the opposing positions to his policies and nullifying them.

[wildcat09 29187]

On 1/7/2023 at 11:21 AM, FORTY NINE TO ZERO said:

100% this.   He oozes leadership and pragmatism.   Top characteristics for a president imo.  
 

Him being an amazing public speaker and debater is just the cherry on top.  I mean, can you imagine him debating trump or desantis?  He would destroy them  

It's incredible that people still think shit like this matters. 

[wildcat09 29187]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

Uh, no. He was widely castigated by progressives during the primaries because he was McKinsey trained, white, and because in reality he isn't really all that progressive, he's a centrist. 

He just seems progressive compared to Republicans. 

VERY early on, before he really made his right turn back to the center, some progressives (including me) were cautiously optimistic about him because he focused on the need to fix political structures (e.g. he was the first to support structural changes to SCOTUS) before addressing specific policies. He threw all that shit out as fast as he could once he determined that triangulation was in his best interest though.

Edited January 10, 2023 by wildcat09

[HamsterHookah 112]

12 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

VERY early on, before he really made his right turn back to the center, some progressives (including me) were cautiously optimistic about him because he focused on the need to fix political structures (e.g. he was the first to support structural changes to SCOTUS) before addressing specific policies. He threw all that shit out as fast as he could once he determined that triangulation was in his best interest though.

The far left were doing dirty work to sully his name to progressive leaning voters by digging up his McKinsey work and making him reveal it as if they were tax returns. Then they castigated him for doing "centrist" things like management consulting work like streamlining operational costs and increasing working capital and helping to re-organize businesses more efficiently (his work with BCBS comes to mind that people were especially appalled at because it led to a RIF, even though I think his project was before or after that).

Edited January 10, 2023 by HamsterHookah

[tigol 2383]

I’m not sure the gay thing matters too much anymore. Especially since he’s former military and masculine. I think him being a white boy from Indiana hurts him more.

You don’t know my uncle…..or maybe you do?

[bad_teammate 13125]

Spoilered to not trigger Peteheads

Spoiler

 

[StassneyHorn 6534]

Pete repeatedly putting Klobuchar on the verge of tears with her aggressive head shaking we’re some of my favorite moments of the primary.

[Incredulity 11532]

“Find someone who looks at you the exact opposite of how Amy Klobuchar looks at Pete Buttiegieg”

[atomheartbevo 89362]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

It's incredible that people still think shit like this matters. 

Or that Republican candidates will even debate a Democrat in the future.

[Gil Bang 25865]

mofo brings the wood on every sunday show

 

 

[Satchel 6908]

On 1/6/2023 at 4:56 PM, HamsterHookah said:

There is not much NOT to like about the guy if we are all deeply honest.

The guy is whip smart, extremely articulate (not in a jokingingly using that word way) and just flat out one of the best communicators and public speakers I've ever heard in politics though I haven't been around that long.

He has rational positions which he defends with equal persuasiveness and sound logic and he lets those factual basis and positions speak for themselves. He's not too extreme one way or another and doesn't play identity politics.

He has military experience. He has governing experience, as small as it may be via South Bend, IN, and he has strong business experience and acumen.

The problem isn't that he's gay. The problem is he is a young, white, affluent male with obvious brains and ambition, thus he was born 25 years too late because the Dems, via the progressives and far left of the big tent, will never embrace him fully.

 

 

They’ll embrace him enough to put him on a presidential ticket and vote him into office.

[fattyflattie 4636]

On 1/10/2023 at 1:23 PM, SydneyCarton said:

Uh, no. He was widely castigated by progressives during the primaries because he was McKinsey trained, white, and because in reality he isn't really all that progressive, he's a centrist. 

He just seems progressive compared to Republicans. 

When I asked this board who was the closest to an R out of the cast, because Trump 2 wasn’t happening, this was the far and away most popular answer. That was the clear #1  from progressives to ever so slight left leaning posters.   Difficult  to come to grips with what could have been.  

[bolverk 29359]

7 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

When I asked this board who was the closest to an R out of the cast, because Trump 2 wasn’t happening, this was the far and away most popular answer. That was the clear #1  from progressives to ever so slight left leaning posters.   Difficult  to come to grips with what could have been.  

I don't recall you asking that, which doesn't mean it didn't happen. I do remember Bad Teammate and Bama Chick were his most vocal opponents, who do not represent the full universe of progressives/liberals on this board.

Had I seen your question then, I'd have answered Tulsi Gabbard followed by Andrew Yang, and I'd have most certainly been correct.

[fattyflattie 4636]

1 minute ago, bolverk said:

I don't recall you asking that, which doesn't mean it didn't happen. I do remember Bad Teammate and Bama Chick were his most vocal opponents, who do not represent the full universe of progressives/liberals on this board.

Had I seen your question then, I'd have answered Tulsi Gabbard followed by Andrew Yang, and I'd have most certainly been correct.

I ask that during every major election, try as I might, I don’t follow the D candidates closely. Tulsi was probably the #1, now that you mention it. And yes, Bad Teammate was one of the most vocal against him, as Bern was probably still entrenched.  I don’t recall Bamas stance.  I don’t think many (other than a few) would have minded had he been elected. But there’s also only a handful of folks here that claim they are truly progressives.  I wouldn’t have ever guessed that in regards to Yang.  Either way, I would be considerably happier if Pete was in the office.  

[Satchel 6908]

Pragmatic Democratic voters understand that regardless of the flavor of candidate we nominate and elect, we are likely to get very similar cabinet appointees, judicial nominees, and legislative packages.

[HamsterHookah 112]

13 hours ago, Satchel said:

They’ll embrace him enough to put him on a presidential ticket and vote him into office.

Let's see. They'd be doing themselves a great favor if you are right. The guy kinda rules, I hate to admit.

[HamsterHookah 112]

13 hours ago, bolverk said:

I don't recall you asking that, which doesn't mean it didn't happen. I do remember Bad Teammate and Bama Chick were his most vocal opponents, who do not represent the full universe of progressives/liberals on this board.

Had I seen your question then, I'd have answered Tulsi Gabbard followed by Andrew Yang, and I'd have most certainly been correct.

Yes, my man @bad_teammatewas wrong on this one and he knows it.

[Tuco 5076]

Either way, I would be considerably happier if Pete was in the office.  

Based on policy? I would say Biden is more conservative. Is there a policy position where Joe is left of Pete?

Or it more of a personality thing?

[HamsterHookah 112]

14 minutes ago, Tuco said:

 

Based on policy? I would say Biden is more conservative. Is there a policy position where Joe is left of Pete?

Or it more of a personality thing?

 

I would wonder about Pete being more pro-business, given his background. Maybe he would be more conservative on trust-busting and appointments in DOJ with respect to M&A. Other than that, I don't know.

[HamsterHookah 112]

Also, let the record reflect, my attempt to bait @bad_teammateback to the CR and politic threads was again a failure.

I fear we've lost him for good.

[bad_teammate 13125]

Sorry, I just didn't know what I was responding to.

Every one of them was happy to knife universal healthcare in the back to protect corporate interests. I don't even care enough to hate them anymore. Enjoy cheerleading ghouls, I guess.

 

[HamsterHookah 112]

5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Sorry, I just didn't know what I was responding to.

Every one of them was happy to knife universal healthcare in the back to protect corporate interests. I don't even care enough to hate them anymore. Enjoy cheerleading ghouls, I guess.

 

Hell yea!

More.

MOAR

I will donate to your patreon page or campaign for any office you run for.

[Tuco 5076]

I would wonder about Pete being more pro-business, given his background. Maybe he would be more conservative on trust-busting and appointments in DOJ with respect to M&A. Other than that, I don't know.

I think he would be more conservative than Warren or Sanders, but there is nothing I have read that would imply he is more conservative than Biden. During the campaign, in response to Warren’s antitrust statements, Pete said the FTC needs to be given additional tools to fight big Tech monopolies. It isn’t terribly controversial, but it’s more than Biden said.

My guess is you’d prefer Buttigieg because he’s on the bench. 2nd string quarterbacks are frequently popular.

I would also prefer Buttigieg. But I don’t believe his familiarity with the military or corporate America would translate to a more generous deference for either. Like a good butcher, his familiarity with the pig means he knows where to apply the knife.

[Sawbonz 27374]

On 1/10/2023 at 3:15 PM, wildcat09 said:

VERY early on, before he really made his right turn back to the center, some progressives (including me) were cautiously optimistic about him because he focused on the need to fix political structures (e.g. he was the first to support structural changes to SCOTUS) before addressing specific policies. He threw all that shit out as fast as he could once he determined that triangulation was in his best interest though.

Do you mean y’all stopped liking him when he figured out how to actually get shit done and started implementing that strategy?

[Pig Bellmont 8679]

On 1/6/2023 at 6:25 PM, Neonmoon said:

The issue is popularity with minority voters, specifically black voters. Was it because Biden already had them in the bag? Was it because black culture historically has shunned homosexuality? Who knows 

He mishandled the police killing of a black man who only had a knife while he was mayor- the body cam “wasn’t turned on” and I believe there were other criticisms, but I don’t think it was a secret that was a major reason he had trouble getting black voters’ support 

[TwiceHorn 31184]

On 12/2/2022 at 8:55 AM, Biff Tannen said:

The railroad industry is weird.  Maybe it's just gone further down the road of capitalism lately, but they paid my grandfather a pension from when he retired at 55 to when he died at 96.  His pension was longer than the time that he worked for them.

It is weird, and there's an explanation.

In the late 19th century, the law of negligence was being developed here and in England, spurred in large part by railroad accidents of all types.  The railroads were anxious to limit their exposure, so the railroads got the first workers comp program in history in FELA.

Then in the 30s, they got the Railroad Retirement Act, which is siimilar to Social Security but more generous.

The railroads have run to Congress for various things early and often, and, particularly in the late 19th and 20th centuries, and Congress responded because of the perceived importance of the railroads to national infrastructure.

Edited February 8, 2023 by TwiceHorn