Jump to content

To Cancel or Not To Cancel

Kermit

By Kermit
in Cloak Room

 Share

Recommended Posts

Captainant

Captainant 27311

Posted
Posted (edited)
17 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

she referenced them specifically or is that just who you applied that analogy to?

Directly quoting her instragram post that got her in trouble:

“Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views”

 

I can't even begin to outline the number of fallacies and misstatements of history she's invoking in making that comparison. The (pre-nazi) german government wasn't the driving force of violence against jews - it was hitler's brownshirts and his militia groups spreading their big lie that they lost WWI and were in dire economic straits BECAUSE of the jews. It was based on lies and not what the jews themselves were saying and doing. 

Equivocating facing (non-legal and non-violent) consequences for your abhorrent personal political beliefs to the genocide of an ethnic group because of who they were born as... Is just fucking wrong.

Edited by Captainant
  • Hook 'Em 3
  • Fuck Around and Find Out 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hookah Horns

Hookah Horns 3058

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

Not only are they hypocrites about conservative cancel culture, but they are making a lot of money off of talking about cancel culture. Outkick, Rogan, half the comedians on Netflix, etc. talk more about cancel culture than they do anything else. It is a cottage industry like never before. So they highlight every instance of cancelling that they don't like to the point that it actually seems like an issue. I get that there are instances of cancel culture that are so outrageous that it should be mocked. But it is not the norm. And as pointed out in this thread, most of the actual cancelling is coming from the people that are so upset with it. So once again, every accusation is a confession.

It's uncanny how it's literally every single accusation. I've never seen such out and out hypocrisy. They have really mastered their gaslighting practices and are relentless in deploying them. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
BHMCruiser

BHMCruiser 1812

Posted
Posted
19 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

She also liked or has highlighted extreme conservative views about COVID (specifically masking as a deterrent in the spread), the Big Lie and Jan 6th.  Definitely her right to express her opinion or highlight opinions she may find provocative or agree with but again, she's accountable for those actions.  She fucked around and found out.

Agreed 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
fakebusiness

fakebusiness 129

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

I genuinely have no idea who Joss Whedon or James Gunn are.  Perhaps if you give me some context, I can give you an opinion.

Context:Disney will fire someone over political beliefs they disagree with rather than someone being a convicted pedo or with a history of sexual harassment and/or assault. 

  • Fuck You 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
The Hot Dog Buffet

The Hot Dog Buffet 1291

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, fakebusiness said:

Context:Disney will fire someone over political beliefs they disagree with rather than someone being a convicted pedo or with a history of sexual harassment and/or assault. 

Like any company, Disney is going to fire an employee who costs them more money than she makes them.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
fakebusiness

fakebusiness 129

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

Conservaties, Cancel Culture is ruining America!!!!   FREE SPEECH IS DEAD!!!!

Also, Conservatives, Cancel these cunts for saying something we don't like!!!

 

Dixie-Chicks-Wide-Open-Spaces-400.jpg

 

I grew up during a time when social conservatives were the ones trying to canc everyone, stomping on albums, protesting music and art, etc. Somewhere along the way the woke crowd (for lack of a better term, I'm pretty damn liberal) took the torch and ran with it. Ironically they have a lot in common with the socially conservative religious right. It's just bizarre.

  • Hook 'Em 1
  • Fuck You 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Brian Fantana

Brian Fantana 6654

Posted
Posted
38 minutes ago, Helobious said:

I wish people that thought like this would go read about Hitler’s rise to power and the extent to wish Jews were demonized and violently targeted in 1930s Germany, before the Holocaust. Then let me know if you still think it compares similarly to the plight of someone expressing a conservative belief in modern times. 
 

 

Trumpism is not conservatism. Hope this helps you understand why your post is incredibly fucking stupid.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
gsoda3

gsoda3 3234

Posted
Posted
26 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Directly quoting her instragram post that got her in trouble:

“Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views”

thanks for quoting the entire thing.  

 

it's rather narrow to attribute that post directly to those who support storming the capitol isn't it?  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Nivek

Nivek 16808

Posted
Posted
52 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

 

i meant what she got into trouble for before with the trans thing has nothing to do with what she posted today.  

But boss, I was searching midget porn, last time you warned me about Asian big titty porn.  

  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Dirk X West

Dirk X West 772

Posted
Posted
7 minutes ago, fakebusiness said:

I grew up during a time when social conservatives were the ones trying to canc everyone, stomping on albums, protesting music and art, etc. Somewhere along the way the woke crowd (for lack of a better term, I'm pretty damn liberal) took the torch and ran with it. Ironically they have a lot in common with the socially conservative religious right. It's just bizarre.

Conservatives never stopped doing this, by the way.

  • Hook 'Em 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Captainant

Captainant 27311

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, gsoda3 said:

thanks for quoting the entire thing.  

 

it's rather narrow to attribute that post directly to those who support storming the capitol isn't it?  

Considering how leading up to this, she was posting about how the election was stolen that COVID is a hoax, and had been warned previously by her employer.... I think it's being intentionally obtuse to read it any other way

  • Hook 'Em 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
fakebusiness

fakebusiness 129

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, Dirk X West said:

Conservatives never stopped doing this, by the way.

True, but it seems like that brand of social neoconservativism of the 90s & 00s has died off a bit. I never thought I would see liberals advocate for silencing free speech, censoring comedians, cheering on occupying the ME. On the flipside you have conservatives who are all of the sudden anti-war dove free speech advocates. It's one big reactionary clusterfuck.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
UncleSonny

UncleSonny 6520

Posted
Posted
18 minutes ago, fakebusiness said:

Context:Disney will fire someone over political beliefs they disagree with rather than someone being a convicted pedo or with a history of sexual harassment and/or assault. 

Neither James Gunn nor Joss Whedon are convicted or accused pedos nor do either have a history of sexual harassment or assault. Disney did fire Gunn (who they later rehired) while Whedon hasn't been hired to work on a Disney project since stories of his abusive behavior began to come out. Other than that you are making some excellent points. 

  • Hook 'Em 1
  • Haha 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mrs Whiggins

Mrs Whiggins 13049

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Well, to be fair, they were mostly black.  And some hippies.  And beaners.  So, it's all good.

Jane Fonda was effectively blacklisted for her activism during the sixties. They've been doing this a long long time, but when one oppresses then the small bubble of fear that swells every nerve ending creates the realization that one day the oppressed will turn the tables.....

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Js1

Js1 85056

Posted
Posted
9 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Considering how leading up to this, she was posting about how the election was stolen that COVID is a hoax, and had been warned previously by her employer.... I think it's being intentionally obtuse to read it any other way

She said on some podcast she likes to rile people up and get a rise out of people.  She knows exactly what she was doing when she posted it. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Helobious

Helobious 9477

Posted
Posted
18 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Trumpism is not conservatism. Hope this helps you understand why your post is incredibly fucking stupid.

I think you think the point I’m trying to make is the opposite of its intended point. I’m saying the plight of modern conservatives/trumpists/whatever doesn’t mirror at all what the Jews dealt with, even pre-holocaust. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
TriStone

TriStone 1724

Posted
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Disney is not going to come out and say it but there were reports that Disney was all set to introduce her as the lead in the Rangers of the New Republic series during their Investor's Day presentation in December.

This would have been not good.  I couldn't care less about her tweet history, but she is extremely bad at the whole acting thing.

Edited by TriStone
  • Haha 1
  • Fuck You 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
MaybeACoordinator

MaybeACoordinator 8349

Posted
Posted
5 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Jane Fonda was effectively blacklisted for her activism during the sixties. They've been doing this a long long time, but when one oppresses then the small bubble of fear that swells every nerve ending creates the realization that one day the oppressed will turn the tables.....

Well, and before that you had the real McCarthyite blacklists, one of which caused a relative of mine to live overseas for seven years. Austin hero (and good friend of my relative) John Henry Faulk was another. He was well on his way to becoming as nationally renowned and beloved as Will Rogers when he was all but ruined by conservative cancel culture. 

  • Hook 'Em 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Ghost of LL

Ghost of LL 15348

Posted
Posted
10 minutes ago, fakebusiness said:

True, but it seems like that brand of social neoconservativism of the 90s & 00s has died off a bit. I never thought I would see liberals advocate for silencing free speech, censoring comedians, cheering on occupying the ME. On the flipside you have conservatives who are all of the sudden anti-war dove free speech advocates. It's one big reactionary clusterfuck.

Who the fuck is "silencing free speech"?

Fucking a, man--didn't you read Citizens United?  Disney has every bit the same free-speech right as Gina Carano.  She exercised her free speech right, and it is exercising its.  Disney's free-speech exercise doesn't silence Gina Carano (judging by her Twitter account and her appearance today on all right-wing media).  So what's your fucking problem?

 

And, by the way--this is part of the reason why I have always said that Democrats were wrong on this issue, and Citizens United was correctly decided.

  • Hook 'Em 2
  • Fuck Around and Find Out 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Foosters

Foosters 17691

Posted
Posted
18 minutes ago, fakebusiness said:

True, but it seems like that brand of social neoconservativism of the 90s & 00s has died off a bit. I never thought I would see liberals advocate for silencing free speech, censoring comedians, cheering on occupying the ME. On the flipside you have conservatives who are all of the sudden anti-war dove free speech advocates. It's one big reactionary clusterfuck.

LOL, the GOP literally tries to pass laws forbidding gay couples from adopting.

Cancel culture my fucking ass.

  • Hook 'Em 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildcat09

wildcat09 29187

Posted
Posted
8 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Who the fuck is "silencing free speech"?

Fucking a, man--didn't you read Citizens United?  Disney has every bit the same free-speech right as Gina Carano.  She exercised her free speech right, and it is exercising its.  Disney's free-speech exercise doesn't silence Gina Carano (judging by her Twitter account and her appearance today on all right-wing media).  So what's your fucking problem?

 

And, by the way--this is part of the reason why I have always said that Democrats were wrong on this issue, and Citizens United was correctly decided.

Since money = speech and Disney has way more money, Disney is actually legally entitled to more speech than she is.

I wish I could say I was joking, but that's basically what Arizona Free Enterprise v. Bennett means.

  • Hook 'Em 2
  • Rage+1 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
SydneyCarton

SydneyCarton 47809

Posted
Posted
32 minutes ago, fakebusiness said:

True, but it seems like that brand of social neoconservativism of the 90s & 00s has died off a bit. I never thought I would see liberals advocate for silencing free speech, censoring comedians, cheering on occupying the ME. On the flipside you have conservatives who are all of the sudden anti-war dove free speech advocates. It's one big reactionary clusterfuck.

Who's silencing free speech, exactly? Companies that have cozied up to Republicans for years for corporate tax breaks? I fail to see how Carano has been silenced. She's still on twitter, she's making media appearances. Is this how Donald Trump was "Silenced" by twitter when he repeatedly violated their terms of service and couldn't speak to America despite having an entire press room and corps a few rooms a way where he could, you know, say whatever he wanted to America? 

Who's being silenced? No one is silencing anyone. There are just consequences when people say unsavory shit? I fail to see how anyone has been silenced at all. Publicly shamed? Sure. You know, it must have been Mel Gibson's fault for damaging his wildly profitable acting and directing career for repeatedly getting hammered, driving, and being pulled over and dropping N bombs and being racist. None of that was his fault, right? BTW he still makes movies, just shitty ones. 

  • Hook 'Em 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Brisketexan

Brisketexan 104465

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Who's silencing free speech, exactly? Companies that have cozied up to Republicans for years for corporate tax breaks? I fail to see how Carano has been silenced. She's still on twitter, she's making media appearances. Is this how Donald Trump was "Silenced" by twitter when he repeatedly violated their terms of service and couldn't speak to America despite having an entire press room and corps a few rooms a way where he could, you know, say whatever he wanted to America? 

Who's being silenced? No one is silencing anyone. There are just consequences when people say unsavory shit? I fail to see how anyone has been silenced at all. Publicly shamed? Sure. You know, it must have been Mel Gibson's fault for damaging his wildly profitable acting and directing career for repeatedly getting hammered, driving, and being pulled over and dropping N bombs and being racist. None of that was his fault, right? BTW he still makes movies, just shitty ones. 

This.  No silencing.  Just refusal to support/do business with shitty people.

Enough consumers would have an issue with watching Disney programming containing a shitty person, which means lost viewers/lost subscriptions, that Disney made a business decision that not having her on the show is the right move.

Same reason that "conservatives" wouldn't shop at Target, burned their Nikes, won't watch the NFL, etc.   Sorry, the people who whine the loudest about "cancel culture" are its inventors, and its most devout practitioners.  You'll forgive me if I laugh in their face when they whine about their own invention being used in a way they don't like.

  • Hook 'Em 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Chuckie Finster

Chuckie Finster 22583

Posted
Posted
41 minutes ago, fakebusiness said:

True, but it seems like that brand of social neoconservativism of the 90s & 00s has died off a bit. I never thought I would see liberals advocate for silencing free speech, censoring comedians, cheering on occupying the ME. On the flipside you have conservatives who are all of the sudden anti-war dove free speech advocates. It's one big reactionary clusterfuck.

Hey genius, no conservatives are advocating for for free speech.  They're advocating for no consequences for speech they agree with.  There's a big difference.

  • Hook 'Em 3
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
safe sex

safe sex 11659

Posted
Posted
4 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

As to Disney, they've been pretty progressive at least as far as I've been aware of them since at least the mid-80s.  I don't know when they started hosting Gay Day at Disneyland, but it was a think in the mid-80s.  And that's pretty fucking progressive for 1985.

I mean, Walt was a fucking fascist.  But Walt's been dead for like a century.

One of my favorite old Disney stories:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-08-14-me-2745-story.html

Quote

Disneyland administrators have quietly reversed a 28-year-old policy that prohibited partners of the same sex from dancing together in the Magic Kingdom.

“The decision is years late, but let’s applaud it,” Morris Kight, a leading gay-rights activist, said Tuesday. “It’s a gentle victory, one that shows Disneyland is finally paying attention to the world around them.”

Disneyland spokesman Al Flores said the prohibition against same-sex dancing was dropped in mid-July in response to requests from patrons of Videopolis, a teen dance club that opened June 22 next to the family ride It’s a Small World.

“We try to be responsive to feedback we get from our guests,” Flores said. “Videopolis brings in a lot of teen-aged kids, and we see a lot of situations where two girls come together and want to dance and ask to. We have always said no, but we changed our minds.”

Flores said the change was not in response to a May, 1984, Superior Court ruling that struck down Disneyland’s ban on same-sex dancing as it applied to two gay men who were evicted from the Anaheim theme park in 1980.

“Although we lost that, we only lost on removing those two men from the dancing area,” Flores said. “We continued to enforce the policy until about a month ago.”

The ban on same-sex dancers was part of the original dance regulations adopted by the park in 1957, when it first allowed dancing. Flores said the prohibition was adopted “as a crowd-control measure” to ensure the safety of women on the dance floor and because some patrons might have found dance partners of the same sex offensive.

“We always try to avoid every kind of situation that would cause a disturbance,” Flores said. “We don’t serve alcohol. We enforce a dress code. It’s the reason most of our policies were created: to maintain a peaceful, happy atmosphere that won’t offend any of our guests.

“We didn’t want to have two women dancing and have some guy go out and hassle them,” he said. “We always said that before they even got out on the dance floor they had to have a partner of the opposite sex.”

But in September, 1980, two gay men arrived together at a Disneyland Date Night to “have a good time and see if we could change the policy,” said Andrew R. Exler. Exler, then 19, and Shawn Elliot, then 17, went on Space Mountain and the Matterhorn and then went to the Tomorrowland dance floor.

“It only took three minutes, and two security guards came and gave us the lecture about not dancing together,” Exler said Tuesday. “When we continued to dance, they physically removed us from the dance floor.”

Ten days later, Exler and Elliot sued the park, asking Orange County Superior Court to force Disneyland to allow dancing with members of the same sex.

Ronald Talmo, their attorney, said at the time that Exler and Elliot were protected under the so-called Unruh Civil Rights Act, which guarantees the rights of anyone, regardless of sex, to use business facilities.

In November, 1980, the court decided otherwise. Exler appealed the decision and a 4-year legal battle ensued. Finally, in May, 1984, Orange County Superior Court Judge James R. Ross struck down Disneyland’s ban on same-sex dancing as it applied to Exler and Elliot.

At the time of the decision, William M. Bitting, Disneyland’s trial lawyer, said, “We’ll abide by the order, but it doesn’t apply to others. If two (other) men show up tomorrow night to dance, Disneyland won’t let them on the dance floor.”

The amusement park still is in the process of appealing the decision, and Flores refused to comment on the case.

Which is why Exler was so surprised upon hearing that the park had quietly changed its policy and decided to allow men to dance with men and women to dance with women on the Videopolis floor, which can hold up to 3,000 dancers.

“I think it’s fantastic . . . but I’m extremely surprised,” he said. “I think the decision was definitely made in response to our winning our lawsuit. That and the international attention this case has received definitely had an impact on their decision.”

“I think Disneyland is finally waking up to the fact that people won’t put up with their discriminatory policies,” Exler said. Since the park opened in 1955 and adopted dress codes and other policies affecting guests, he added, “they have discriminated against thousands of people, and people are now speaking out about it.”

The change in policy was definitely noticeable at Videopolis on Saturday night as several thousand teen-agers danced under flashing, multicolored spotlights to the Top 40 sounds of the Disneyland house band, Donna McDaniel & Network.

McDaniel bounced and strutted on stage in a skintight black leotard and yellow-and-black patterned jacket, belting out: “You’re hungry. Take a bite of me. Ole, ole, oh . . . I think I’d like ta show ya. . . .”

Although most couples were male and female, others were not.

Dominique Hitchcock, a 15-year-old sophomore at Brea Olinda High School, and four other female friends had come to Videopolis to have a good time. Hitchcock, who spent most of the night dancing with her girlfriends, was unaware of Disneyland’s old rule.

“It’s just as fun to dance with your friends as it is with a guy,” Hitchcock said. “We go dancing together a lot. There’s nothing wrong with it.”

To Cliff Eveland, 19, a San Jose State University student who danced Saturday primarily with his friend, Gregg Consentino, 20, Disneyland’s previous prohibitions on same sex-dancing are “pretty stupid.”

“It’s just to have fun,” Eveland said, wiping perspiration from his brow after a strenuous number. “Sometimes you’re afraid to ask a girl to dance. I mean, it’s pretty bad to get rejected.”


 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
NeverMarryAStripper

NeverMarryAStripper 21780

Posted
Posted

I'm almost ready for this country to be taken over by either a communist or fascist dictatorship just so every thread on Surly won't continue to be destroyed by the same arguments.  This is a thread for discussing and enjoying a stupid television series.  Fuck all of you stupid fucking people.

  • Hook 'Em 2
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
mdmost

mdmost 42775

Posted
Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, fakebusiness said:

They've set a precedent they'll do business with shitty people who have the correct political views tho. 

Such as? Stop throwing out bullshit and start pointing out the specific people. You used James Gunn who is not a convicted pedophile but instead made terrible jokes 10 years previous to Disney even knowing who he was. The other is Joss Whedon who has been accused of sexism and racism. Whedon doesn't have racist or sexist tweets that I'm aware of. Whedon also hasn't done or will be doing anything for Marvel since Age of Ultron. 

Edited by mdmost
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Brisketexan

Brisketexan 104465

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, fakebusiness said:

They've set a precedent they'll do business with shitty people who have the correct political views tho. 

Did they?  Or did they do what I suggested -- give people a chance (they gave Gina MULTIPLE chances), and if they straighten up and fly right, they get to stick around?

You know the answer.  But you're a troll.

  • Hook 'Em 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Biff Tannen

Biff Tannen 45478

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

I'm almost ready for this country to be taken over by either a communist or fascist dictatorship just so every thread on Surly won't continue to be destroyed by the same arguments.  This is a thread for discussing and enjoying a stupid television series.  Fuck all of you stupid fucking people.

I like the little green one.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
 Share
Go to topic listing


Football ... Basketball ... Baseball ... Other Sports ... Futbol ... 🤫995🤫 ... Gambling ... Movies & TV ... Music ... Hobbies ... Lulz ... Food & Travel ... Daily Texan ... Business and Markets ... Cloak Room ... Help ... For Sale ... Board Discussion ... Subscribe!... Donate!... Advertise... COOKIE MONSTER!

×
×
  • Create New...