Good movies that haven't held up.

[Parliament 14,257]

Maybe it started with your 2nd viewing, maybe it was several years later.  Regardless, it's a movie that isn't very good now.

The Matrix. Great premise and revolutionary special effects.  But as good as they were then, those special effects pale in comparison today.  I blame green screen.  Green screen wasn't very good yet.  And the subsequent sequels left a bad taste in our mouths.

Avatar.  It was wildly popular and the special effects were also (nearly) revolutionary.  I think it was one of the 1st movies to use that "facial capture" thing?  But the dialogue, acting and plot were wholly forgettable.  And forget we have.

Saving Private Ryan.  The Normandy Beach scene is something never put of film before.  Raw, intense, real.  No war glamorization here.  But it's plot is terrible, and acting is uneven at best.  Those raw, intense, real war scenes?  Everybody is doing that today.  But you do hafta give SPR credit for that.

Se7en.  Gonna get neg rep for this one.  All the shocking scenes in it?  Meh.  Nothing like we get today.  And the acting is so-so.  Fincher's subsequent movies are a lot better.

[pokeNbeans 203]

The Exorcist....

I tried watching it a couple years back and I couldn't stop laughing. Scared the shit out of me in the 70's/80's.

[XYZ 2,154]

Disagree about The Matrix.

[Bender Bending Rodriguez 1,678]

I'll give you Avatar, but the rest still hold up for me.

Saving Private Ryan is still badass and an all time favorite. The Matrix falls into that category of I'll watch it if it's on. Other sequels didn't run great movies as a movie can sorta exist in a vacuum. 

[David Dennison 18,855]

20 minutes ago, XYZ said:

Disagree about The Matrix.

Second.

[FWD 297]

I'm not sure any movie has aged worse than American Beauty.

[Lhorn 4,913]

Behind the Green Door

[mr. sunshine 2,824]

2 hours ago, XYZ said:

Disagree about The Matrix.

Yeah personally I pretend the sequels don’t exist but the original is the shit. 

I’ll submit Scarface. Totally 80s and Octavio the clown. Yet I’ll still watch it to the end if I run across it. I’d also add that if you want to want to instill fear and/or torture someone don’t immediately apply the chainsaw to the temple 

[PRONG HORN 3,144]

3 hours ago, Parliament said:

Maybe it started with your 2nd viewing, maybe it was several years later.  Regardless, it's a movie that isn't very good now.

The Matrix, Avatar, Saving Private Ryan, Se7en

 

How about some of your movies that do hold up to provide some reference.  

[Parliament 14,257]

21 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

How about some of your movies that do hold up to provide some reference.  

Terminator 2.  Special effects are still good enough.  Acting (other than John Conner) is solid.  Music timeless.

Most of the comedies that were good when they were new.  Poop, dick, etc, jokes are always good.

 

[joe dirt 285]

23 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Terminator 2.  Special effects are still good enough.  Acting (other than John Conner) is solid.  Music timeless.

 

 

[Dark Horse 2,280]

Saving Private Ryan, The Matrix, and Seven? Jesus, you are a fucktard. 

[Rabidhorn 121]

4 hours ago, XYZ said:

Disagree about The Matrix.

Still one of the best sci-fi movies of all time.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3,861]

Lord of the rings trilogy.  

[Onboard 2.0 9,083]

Avatar, Titanic just to name a couple recent ones.

[atomheartbevo 89,656]

Live-action Batman films made in the 90s. 

[PRONG HORN 3,144]

1 hour ago, joe dirt said:

 

Avatar checks out.  

 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4,976]

1 hour ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

Lord of the rings trilogy.  

Go ahead and add The Empire Strikes Back to the list.

[Haphap 741]

With advances in animation we have right now, watching The Neverending Story and  The Last Starfighter  does not hold up anymore

 

Also seeing movies made in the 80s and with setting supposedly several decades into the future, and yet you see  computers with CRT monitors and video payphones seemed out of today in restrospect

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[PilotsError 2,287]

Independence Day

[Walden Ponderer 12,639]

Wings of Desire - I loved it the first time I saw it. Tried rewatching, and thought, "Jesus, even acid wouldn't help."

[Continental Op 3,934]

20 hours ago, FWD said:

I'm not sure any movie has aged worse than American Beauty.

That was my gut reaction when I saw the thread title. 

[GreenspointTexas 9,600]

1 hour ago, PilotsError said:

Independence Day

First post on this thread that made sense

 

my addition would be The Mummy 

[Eskimohorn 5,635]

Matrix, SPR and Se7en atill hold up. Hell, compare the recent oscar nominee Hacksaw Ridge with SPR. Your conclusions are all wrong.

The right answer is Dancing with Wolves

[joe dirt 285]

34 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

The right answer is Dancing with Wolves

onboard 2.0 agrees...so do i.  

19 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Avatar, Titanic just to name a couple recent ones.

 

[GreenspointTexas 9,600]

Disagree on Dances With Wolves. The soundtrack, cinematography, and story all hold up extremely well. I can see how the acting may be a little campy-er in todays day and age, but its not bad enough to consider it to have not aged well, imo

[HookEm 2,467]

I watched Highlander the other day. It was pretty bad.  Parts were still awesome, but overall was super dated.

[Prepuce of Doom 21,069]

Rounders has somehow become very difficult to take seriously. 

[PRONG HORN 3,144]

1 hour ago, HookEm said:

I watched Highlander the other day. It was pretty bad.  Parts were still awesome, but overall was super dated.

 

 

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[Captain Ron 12,875]

On 4/28/2018 at 5:08 PM, Parliament said:

Maybe it started with your 2nd viewing, maybe it was several years later.  Regardless, it's a movie that isn't very good now.

The Matrix. Great premise and revolutionary special effects.  But as good as they were then, those special effects pale in comparison today.  I blame green screen.  Green screen wasn't very good yet.  And the subsequent sequels left a bad taste in our mouths.

Avatar.  It was wildly popular and the special effects were also (nearly) revolutionary.  I think it was one of the 1st movies to use that "facial capture" thing?  But the dialogue, acting and plot were wholly forgettable.  And forget we have.

Saving Private Ryan.  The Normandy Beach scene is something never put of film before.  Raw, intense, real.  No war glamorization here.  But it's plot is terrible, and acting is uneven at best.  Those raw, intense, real war scenes?  Everybody is doing that today.  But you do hafta give SPR credit for that.

Se7en.  Gonna get neg rep for this one.  All the shocking scenes in it?  Meh.  Nothing like we get today.  And the acting is so-so.  Fincher's subsequent movies are a lot better.

You're going to get negged and deserve it.

Your knocks on Avatar and SPR are bogus. Films aren't dated because of the acting - that just makes them bad. And neither of those films were (or your knock on Se7en).

The Matrix completely holds up, certainly as a stand alone movie (the rest just blew). There are times when the effects are meh, but as a whole that movie still stands the test of time.

Se7en - You are nuts. First off shocking scenes not holding up? Blasphemy. It absolutely does. The amazing this about the film is that ...

Spoiler

... it's able to pull off all the suspense without showing anyone but John Doe die.

Films would love to pull off what Se7en pulled off.

[Liquor and Poker 3,659]

My kids laughed out loud at Jaws when they were seven.  When I was seven and the movie was new it gave me nightmares for days.

[Liquor and Poker 3,659]

6 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

The right answer is Dancing with Wolves

But that movie was never really any good.  Basically Costner's attempt at an IMAX.  Funniest review was in the NYT which said it should have been called "Plays with Camera."

[Bateshorn 9,927]

American Beauty is the obvious choice here.   Chariots of Fire and Gandhi also look pretty banal by modern standards.  The Artist will of course fall into this category in a decade, and I suspect The Shape of Water will eventually as well.

The Matrix absolutely holds up.  The only strange thing is how few people in the MSM saw it as a Christ allegory at the time.  I rewatched it with my son who is in Catholic school and he was pretty much walking me through the gospels on an almost literally basis.   In retrospect, it makes the decision to give the Wakowskis money for sequels look particularly stupid. 

Now, if you want to go old school, I've long argued that Gone with the Wind has aged terribly in comparison to much of it's Academy competition in 1939.  Goodbye Mr. Chips, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Of Mice and Men, and particularily the Wizard of Oz have far surpassed it in rewatchablity.

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[South Austin 52,477]

I'm in the group that thinks Dances With Wolves still holds up.  Even back then I thought was a bit self-indulgent for Kevin Costner and his acting performances are usually uneven.  The story, cinematography, music, and performances of the Native American cast are still excellent.

[DigglerontheHoof 21,194]

The only two mentioned I agree w/ are Scarface and American Beauty.  I tried to watch Scarface a few weeks ago and didn't make it 30 minutes....holy shit it just seems shitty all the way around. 

The only reason to watch AB is to see Thora Birch's underage titties. 

I'll probably get roasted for this but I don't think Platoon holds up very well.   Too....cliched or something and Charlie Sheen's acting doesn't hold up for me, either. 

 

[Bateshorn 9,927]

I tried to rewatch Platoon as well recently.  Oddly enough, the secondary characters hold up really well: McGinley, Keith David, Kevin Dillion, etc. Even Tom Berenger and Willem Dafoe hold up despite gobbling scenery like hunger wolves.  But the over the top direction and Charlie Sheen just torpedo the film.   I still argue that the definitive Vietnam movie still hasn't been made.

Scarface is hard to watch.  The plot is nonsensical.

[South Austin 52,477]

8 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I'll probably get roasted for this but I don't think Platoon holds up very well.   Too....cliched or something and Charlie Sheen's acting doesn't hold up for me, either. 

I think Platoon may seem clichéd because of the deluge of Vietnam movies that followed.  I still like it, along with a lot of the other Oliver Stone movies of that era (Born On The Fourth of July, Wall Street). 

Edit:  And agreed with Bateshorn's take on the acting.  One of Willem Defoe's best roles, in my opinion.

Edited April 30, 2018 by South Austin

[CooterBrown 18,006]

I haven't seen American Beauty since it was in the theater. What about it doesn't hold up? I honestly remember little about it other than boobies.

 

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

1 minute ago, CooterBrown said:

I haven't seen American Beauty since it was in the theater. What about it doesn't hold up? I honestly remember little about it other than boobies.

 

Well Kevin Spacey wanting to bang the chick from American pie instead of the neighbor boy for starters.  

[Prepuce of Doom 21,069]

3 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

I haven't seen American Beauty since it was in the theater. What about it doesn't hold up? I honestly remember little about it other than boobies.

 

I had the same question but didn't quite care about it enough to ask. 

[GreenspointTexas 9,600]

16 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I think Platoon may seem clichéd because of the deluge of Vietnam movies that followed.  I still like it, along with a lot of the other Oliver Stone movies of that era (Born On The Fourth of July, Wall Street). 

Edit:  And agreed with Bateshorn's take on the acting.  One of Willem Defoe's best roles, in my opinion.

Exactly this

[South Austin 52,477]

6 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

I haven't seen American Beauty since it was in the theater. What about it doesn't hold up? I honestly remember little about it other than boobies.

Same here.  I catch a few minutes here and there when I'm flipping the channels and its on HBO.  It's still a good movie about dysfunction under the appearance of order and happiness, and the performances by Spacey and Bening still hold up.  And I really like Thomas Newman's musical score.

[Onboard 2.0 9,083]

47 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

American Beauty is the obvious choice here.   Chariots of Fire and Gandhi also look pretty banal by modern standards.  The Artist will of course fall into this category in a decade, and I suspect The Shape of Water will eventually as well.

The Matrix absolutely holds up.  The only strange thing is how few people in the MSM saw it as a Christ allegory at the time.  I rewatched it with my son who is in Catholic school and he was pretty much walking me through the gospels on an almost literally basis.   In retrospect, it makes the decision to give the Wakowskis money for sequels look particularly stupid. 

Now, if you want to go old school, I've long argued that Gone with the Wind has aged terribly in comparison to much of it's Academy competition in 1939.  Goodbye Mr. Chips, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Of Mice and Men, and particularily the Wizard of Oz have far surpassed it in rewatchablity.

Ghandi and Chariots of Fire don't hold up ??!!  They are timeless films like Lawrence of Arabia, Bridge over the river Kwai.  Of course that's just my opinion.

 

Gone with the wind holds up today as well. It is a bit flowery, but the acting is still top notch and the sets were amazing.. 

[Parliament 14,257]

Platoon was one of the 1st post-Vietnam war movies, and it was long overdue.  It's blatantly anti-war.  Nothing wrong with that, but anti-war movies today are a bit tired.  Sorry for going all CR here, but subsequent war movies just tell a good story.  We like that better.

Take the Sheen voiceovers out, and make the score less melodramatic.  It'd be a better movie for this era.

Can I add Blackhawk Down?  It was popular immediately post 9-11.  Still a good action movie, but it veers SO far from the actual story.

 

Edited April 30, 2018 by Parliament

[Onboard 2.0 9,083]

3 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Platoon was one of the 1st post-Vietnam war movies, and it was long overdue.  It's blatantly anti-war.  Nothing wrong with that, anti-war movies are a bit tired.  Sorry for going all CR here, but subsequent war movies just tell a good story.  We like that better.

Take the Sheen voiceovers out, and make the score less melodramatic.  It'd be a better movie for this era.

 

I think It holds up well as is. Not dated, good soundtrack, great acting and a pretty decent accounting  of the shit going on.  Voice overs are always a little sketchy in my opinion.  Just my opinion of course.

[Mole 4,330]

Avatar holds up just fine. It was terrible when it came out and it remains terrible today.

[Parliament 14,257]

The early 00's comic book movies, Spideman 1 and 2, XMen 1 and 2 specifically.  (The 3rd installments were garbage of course.)

They were the 1st "serious" comic book movies intent for wide appeal, but the quality and cgi are very dated.  The Nickelback theme song seals it.

 

ETA

Movies that were overrated when they were new fit here as well.  Eventually that facade of awesomeness falls off and we all see it is just an average movie.  Look as the undeserving Oscar winners from 10+ years ago (cough) Shakespeare in Love (cough).

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[South Austin 52,477]

The early Spiderman movies didn't hold up back then because Toby Maguire is such a shitty actor.

[Parliament 14,257]

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[Chad Fuck 17,672]

The Terminator.  I pulled this one up to watch with the wife, as she had never seen it and I was explaining how all the little boys of the time thought it was incredibly bad ass.  We hardly made it through the first scene.  The effects are just too dated to suspend disbelief.