Bourbon

[Pablo 500]

1 minute ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Roma is usually good, but I have no fucking idea what’s going with ownership/management. They’re all over the place about being open during normal hours and picking up the phone. If it’s a long drive for you, I can send you the owner’s number. Their Sazerac Rye pick is a 9 out 10 rye for me and it’s $34.99. If they have some please let me know because I need to restock. 

Ly’s is in EADO. They usually have all of the same picks as NASA and they randomly have allocated Total Wine picks.

NASA is probably the best, but it’s in Clear Lake. If you’re that far south, you might as well go to First Sip.

Liquor Source is in Tanglewood, and it’s usually pretty solid.

Ryan’s in Spring sucks in my opinion, but you should be able to get an Old Forester Barrel Strength pick. 
 

Dandy’s in Katy hypes the shit of their picks so they sell out in a day. I’d call before you head that way. 
 

Rice Liquor is in Bellaire. They usually have 2-3 picks out. I kind of stopped swinging by because they did a few too many Dickel picks for my liking. 

Thanks, Bill.  NASA was the place I normally went, but got tired of driving all the way out there and the selection was just MGP.  First Sip appears to be in La Porte.

Rice has been my local go to, but haven't stopped by there much lately.  

I think I'll take a drive out to Roma tomorrow.  If I see the Sazerac Rye, i'll let you know.

I need to check out Reserve Wine & Spirits if I'm going out to be out in League City.  Haven't been but a bourbon tuber did a video with the owner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um0R7K4pqC8  Also in the video are Flak's and Space City Liquor.

 

[billfromlaketravis 11808]

I don’t know about this one. It’s a little hot, and not a classic wheater like Maker’s or Weller. Sort of leans into the tasting notes I don’t like Heaven Hill’s wheaters. I only bought it because the Whiskey Den podcast wouldn’t stop talking about it. I believe they’re affiliated with some of the DFW Facebook groups. Maybe they caught a good pick?

[RMac5 1555]

3 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Happy Ryeday to everyone that celebrates!

Found one of these last week. Seems like it was $400ish, should I have bought it?

[billfromlaketravis 11808]

2 hours ago, RMac5 said:

Found one of these last week. Seems like it was $400ish, should I have bought it?

That’s 5x MSRP. It better be Stitzel-Weller Antique for a 500% mark up.

[billfromlaketravis 11808]

I bailed on the red wheat. Went to a reliable Christmas classic.

[stork642 4511]

Picked this up this week.  Hard to pass up at $65.  

[Party_Taco 3889]

You won’t find it much cheaper, and it’s worth that IMO.

[NOMAAA 1700]

Casual Saturday grocery store pickup at msrp. No big deal. 

[Yev Kassem 1078]

Found this today at WB in SA. First time I’ve ever seen it on a shelf. $200. 
 

 

[HenryJames 67296]

Fix your watch.

[Bert Orange 1173]

20 hours ago, RMac5 said:

Found one of these last week. Seems like it was $400ish, should I have bought it?

It’s a Thomas Handy. And going for much more on secondary. 

[billfromlaketravis 11808]

19 hours ago, Bert Orange said:

It’s a Thomas Handy. And going for much more on secondary. 

Different mashbill right? I believe EHT Rye uses a Barton mashbill that’s around 70% rye while Handy is a barely legal at 51%.
 

What’s the range on secondary? 

[otisdog 365]

19 hours ago, Bert Orange said:

It’s a Thomas Handy. And going for much more on secondary. 

I thought E.H. Taylor just sold their own products...can you enlighten  me?

[huge 3831]

Is this the first year for that EHT BP Rye?  

[billfromlaketravis 11808]

20 minutes ago, huge said:

Is this the first year for that EHT BP Rye?  

Yes. I believe so. 

[Bert Orange 1173]

20 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Different mashbill right? I believe EHT Rye uses a Barton mashbill that’s around 70% rye while Handy is a barely legal at 51%.
 

What’s the range on secondary? 

It’s widely assumed to be 65% rye vs the BT 51% rye mashbill in all of their other rye products. And may not contain any corn (subbing barley for rest). But not confirmed by anyone. It has slightly more rye spice to my palate, but not a huge difference to a Handy. 
 

secondary is $600-ish

15 hours ago, huge said:

Is this the first year for that EHT BP Rye?  

Yes. Was originally leaked as a 2022 product, but was shelved. 

Edited Monday at 02:33 PM by Bert Orange

[Bert Orange 1173]

20 hours ago, otisdog said:

I thought E.H. Taylor just sold their own products...can you enlighten  me?

It’s Buffalo Trace. They use the same 4 (5 if we assume the EHT rye is an unofficial/official 5th) in every product they sell no matter the label. 

[Bert Orange 1173]

Worth noting the “barely rye” 51% mashbill at BT has also not been confirmed. 

[billfromlaketravis 11808]

Big if true.

[Hornius Emeritus 12794]

Just in case you all are wondering what to get me for Christmas, I'll have the 81-year-old Macallan


https://caskcartel.com/products/the-macallan-the-reach-81-year-old-single-malt-scotch-whisky?currency=USD&variant=40693314748554&stkn=4af6010a488f&gad_source=1

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 04:37 AM by Hornius Emeritus

[NOMAAA 1700]

5 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Big if true.

I got a “you’re getting a 23 next year” talk last year. Haven’t gotten that call yet. Godspeed gents. 

[billfromlaketravis 11808]

6 hours ago, NOMAAA said:

I got a “you’re getting a 23 next year” talk last year. Haven’t gotten that call yet. Godspeed gents. 

Very nice. I guess they like to surprise me. It’s been 7 years, so I have a good idea of my floor/ceiling. My pie in the sky hope is Pappy 15 or ER17. 

[Party_Taco 3889]

Eager to give this a go…

[Party_Taco 3889]

Ok, NOW we’re talking… like chasing a ghost this year!

[Hamttx 427]

On 12/14/2024 at 4:12 PM, NOMAAA said:

Casual Saturday grocery store pickup at msrp. No big deal. 

That’s easily $2000 in my area, if you can find it. The only one in the antique collection that is higher is the William Lerue at $2500. I’m glad I bought them early in the bourbon craze. 

[BigDHornfan 6629]

That’s easily $2000 in my area, if you can find it. The only one in the antique collection that is higher is the William Lerue at $2500. I’m glad I bought them early in the bourbon craze. 

That’s $450 on secondary.
It’s the lowest priced BTAC by far.
And WLW is around $1500.
Where the hell you located?

[billfromlaketravis 11808]

4 hours ago, Party_Taco said:

Ok, NOW we’re talking… like chasing a ghost this year!

No Porsche/King Ranch steering wheel in the background. You’d never make it in Houston buddy.

Edited Thursday at 03:53 AM by billfromlaketravis

[Slacks 7043]

OK, Bourbon people....

How do you know what's good when you've never had it?

As an example, I picked a regular ol Small Batch 1792 one day and I really liked it. I like it more than Weller Reserve or BT.

But I keep on buying what is supposed to be 'good' when I see it and can get it.

I know tasting is part of the enjoyment,.but I'm willing to bet I'm walking past good stuff every week.

[billfromlaketravis 11808]

3 minutes ago, Slacks said:

OK, Bourbon people....

How do you know what's good when you've never had it?

As an example, I picked a regular ol Small Batch 1792 one day and I really liked it. I like it more than Weller Reserve or BT.

But I keep on buying what is supposed to be 'good' when I see it and can get it.

I know tasting is part of the enjoyment,.but I'm willing to bet I'm walking past good stuff every week.

Bozo is going to have fun with his reply. 

i don’t think you’re far off. All 3 bourbons you mentioned are distilled by Buffalo Trace and owned by Sazerac. All 3 are about the same quality. I love BT store picks. I can never keep the bottle in stock at my house. It’s a damn fine bourbon for around $30. 
 

Weller Special Reserve really isn’t my thing. Something about it just doesn’t work, but most people love it.

I usually pass on 1792 unless it’s a Full Proof store pick. 12 Year and Sweet Wheat are pretty tricky to find on the shelf. 
 

It sounds like you’re starting on your bourbon journey. It can be exciting figuring what you like and what you don’t. A lot of people in this thread will you tell you age statements are bullshit, but I think they’re helpful when you’re getting started. Especially with ryes. I usually like ryes that 6 years old or older. I’m a little more open minded with bourbons, but I won’t drink anything younger than 4 years. I really don’t care about proof. If it tastes good it tastes good, but usually uncut and unfiltered tastes better.
 

Some cheaper stuff I’m drinking right now are : Sazerac Rye store picks, Evan Williams SiB, Bowman Small Batch, and Benchmark Bonded. 
 

Bottled in bond is helpful. I won’t go through all the rules, but basically it’s at least a 4 years old, 100 proof, produced at the same distillery during the same season, and stored in a federally bonded warehouse. There’s no cheating, so it’s usually a good product. 
 

Also look on the back of the bottle to see where it was distilled. There are some rare expectations, but I won’t buy it if it doesn’t say distilled in Kentucky, Indiana, or Jack Daniel’s on the back. Bowman is distilled in Virginia. It’s outstanding, but they’re wholly owned by BT. 
 

I wouldn’t use the Youtube experts’ reviews to influence your decisions. It’s infotainment, and lot of them are pay for play. Word of mouth is usually much better. If I have time I’ll try to find a pour at a bar before I buy something new. 
 

Price is always tricky. This is America, it’s worth whatever you’re willing to pay for it. The new rule seems to $10-15 per year in the barrel. Your Indiana products, MGP, tend to be more expensive because they’re a contract distiller. Still a terrific product, but they’re not as integrated and don’t have the scale of a BT or Heaven Hill. 
 

Things I wish people told me when I got started: 

- BT and Heaven Hill are the best distillers and it’s not really close. There’s a reason they’re so popular, profitable, and have been in business so long. Jack Daniel’s has recently entered the circle of trust with barrel proof picks and special releases. 

- Be real careful with Jim Beam products. Almost everything with JB on the label is going to taste like peanuts. Booker’s is overpriced now, and the Knob Creek picks are probably never coming back. 
 

- The Wild Turkey special releases aren’t worth the money except for Russell’s 13 and 15. Save your money.

- Most of the big cities in Texas have bourbon socials at least once a year. It can be a shit show, but it’s a good opportunity to try a lot of different bourbons to determine what you like. Also a great chance to try dusties, BTAC, and Pappy.

- I wouldn’t recommend ever buying Dickel unless you need to clean your deck. 

[Hamttx 427]

1 hour ago, BigDHornfan said:

That’s $450 on secondary.
It’s the lowest priced BTAC by far.
And WLW is around $1500.
Where the hell you located?

About 30 minutes out of Augusta Georgia. 

[NOMAAA 1700]

1 hour ago, BigDHornfan said:

That’s $450 on secondary.
It’s the lowest priced BTAC by far.
And WLW is around $1500.
Where the hell you located?

Really? I’ll take 3

[BigDHornfan 6629]

Really? I’ll take 3

[NOMAAA 1700]

Damn. Should’ve gotten a few more of the coy hill. I liked it too much. 

[Bert Orange 1173]

Rule # 1: Never buy secondary from a retailer. Ever. It’s still on the shelf for a reason. 
 

Rule #2: see rule #1

[Chewbacca 7828]

On 11/22/2024 at 10:43 AM, Bozo_Casanova said:

It's SO good. Nobody does the vanilla/caramel  combo like OF

I'm gonna have to find a bottle.  OF 1910 is one of my favorites

[Chewbacca 7828]

On 12/13/2024 at 9:18 PM, billfromlaketravis said:

I bailed on the red wheat. Went to a reliable Christmas classic.

How is this year's version?  My local place has some at $220, I think.  I've held off so far but might grab one if it's still there next time I visit.

[Bozo_Casanova 26819]

23 hours ago, Party_Taco said:

Eager to give this a go…

 

22 hours ago, Party_Taco said:

Ok, NOW we’re talking… like chasing a ghost this year!

Yes

[billfromlaketravis 11808]

5 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

How is this year's version?  My local place has some at $220, I think.  I've held off so far but might grab one if it's still there next time I visit.

Jesus my tasting notes. Maybe like flat apricots? Good nose, decent palette, no finish. I’d pass unless you think they’re throwing in some sweeteners. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26819]

19 hours ago, Slacks said:

OK, Bourbon people....

How do you know what's good when you've never had it?

As an example, I picked a regular ol Small Batch 1792 one day and I really liked it. I like it more than Weller Reserve or BT.

But I keep on buying what is supposed to be 'good' when I see it and can get it.

I know tasting is part of the enjoyment,.but I'm willing to bet I'm walking past good stuff every week.

Not to quote myself but:

On 2/6/2020 at 8:55 AM, Bozo_Casanova said:

again, axiomatically -

1) People don’t want to pay for bourbon. They want to pay for bourbon they can’t find.
2) The best bourbon is often hard to get, but the hardest bourbon to get us not usually the best.
3) All good blends are better than all but the best single barrels, and only the absolute best individual barrels are better than the best blends.
4) There’s plenty of good bourbon.
5) Until somebody drinks it, it isn’t any good.

I’ve got good taste. Bill has good taste. We don’t always like the same things or agree about what’s important. Both perspectives are valid and there’s no “right” answer about age or distillery or distilling method or anything else. The five things above are the full sum total of what I know to be true about bourbon, but beyond that it’s all preference. 

So- drink what you like, and try to build a vocabulary to describe it, and an understanding of what contributes to those things. That will take you where you need to go.
Don’t chase bottles simply because they are in high demand unless that’s fun for you, and don’t overpay unless you enjoy the flex. 

There’s never been more good bourbon than there is today. Enjoy.

Edited Thursday at 10:58 PM by Bozo_Casanova

[billfromlaketravis 11808]

I can’t touch @NOMAAA, but Die Hard and Lot B should beat Woodford Reserve in the hospital last Christmas. 
 

[huge 3831]

15 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I can’t touch @NOMAAA, but Die Hard and Lot B should beat Woodford Reserve in the hospital last Christmas. 
 

I'll take either bottle if you are in the Christmas spirit/mood

[NOMAAA 1700]

2 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I can’t touch @NOMAAA, but Die Hard and Lot B should beat Woodford Reserve in the hospital last Christmas. 
 

You are way ahead of me. 

[Mo Horn 8937]

On 11/30/2024 at 12:53 PM, Mo Horn said:

We ha have a local place we support regularly and on small business Saturday I always try to buy something from them and picked this up. 

Cracked this open. May be one of the best bottles I've ever bought. 

[RMac5 1555]

On 12/18/2024 at 9:52 PM, Slacks said:

OK, Bourbon people....

How do you know what's good when you've never had it?

As an example, I picked a regular ol Small Batch 1792 one day and I really liked it. I like it more than Weller Reserve or BT.

But I keep on buying what is supposed to be 'good' when I see it and can get it.

I know tasting is part of the enjoyment,.but I'm willing to bet I'm walking past good stuff every week.

Find you a good bourbon bar and get some single pours. I’ve done that several times and eliminated some bottles I had on the purchase list.

[billfromlaketravis 11808]

11 hours ago, Mo Horn said:

Cracked this open. May be one of the best bottles I've ever bought. 

Where is it available? 

[Mo Horn 8937]

3 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Where is it available? 

I got it at a local place here in the KC area. It's a place we regularly support. 

[Carl Spackler 3614]

On 12/18/2024 at 3:26 PM, Party_Taco said:

Ok, NOW we’re talking… like chasing a ghost this year!

Out of curiosity, what's the secondary on RHF?  

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2779]

Got this for a gift. Haven’t tried any SW.

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[Herbie Hancock 7486]

Haven’t seen EHT SiB on the shelf at or near msrp in years. Walk into two different shops in Colorado and find that, Bowman SiB, Hancock’s, a pallet of BT and two different JD BP picks.

[BigDHornfan 6629]

Out of curiosity, what's the secondary on RHF?  

250

Haven’t seen EHT SiB on the shelf at or near msrp in years. Walk into two different shops in Colorado and find that, Bowman SiB, Hancock’s, a pallet of BT and two different JD BP picks.

Well you’re winning at life.