Jump to content

Bourbon

Jimbaround

By Jimbaround
in Food and Travel

 Share

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 20.9k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

Party_Taco
Party_Taco

I’m exhausted, but she’s basically done... just a few touch ups and a second lamp... then I get to focus on balancing out the left side. Been very thankful to have this as a distraction during COVID,

Bigpoppapump
Bigpoppapump

Just won the whisky exchange raffle for 20 yr pappy.

BigDHornfan
BigDHornfan

Having a pour of my favorite in honor of my girl. Hanna gave me 16 great years. RIP girl. Hope you finally got that fucking squirrel.

Posted Images

billfromlaketravis

billfromlaketravis 11357

Posted
Posted (edited)

WhistlePig PiggyBack tonight. It's definitely a WhistlePig rye. It's early, but it tastes pretty good. Better than the 6 year old Sazerac Rye and smoother than Old Forester Rye. Kind of a funky mouth feel, but I don't drink many, if any, 100% rye mashbills. I'd say the price point is about right. 

PiggyBack was Dave Pickerell's final project before he passed. RIP. 

Edited by billfromlaketravis
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Anastasis

Anastasis 23390

Posted
Posted
6 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

Brodie

Seems like maybe there is some variation store to store. My store seems to run a local list for Blantons and W12, and the corporate lists for the other allocated releases. When I picked up the blantons they just put me back into the local queue at the bottom of the list. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
billfromlaketravis

billfromlaketravis 11357

Posted
Posted
4 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Seems like maybe there is some variation store to store. My store seems to run a local list for Blantons and W12, and the corporate lists for the other allocated releases. When I picked up the blantons they just put me back into the local queue at the bottom of the list. 

Houston has very few advantages over Austin, but bourbon and Mexican food appear to be the clear victors. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bozo_Casanova

Bozo_Casanova 26271

Posted
Posted
Seems like maybe there is some variation store to store. My store seems to run a local list for Blantons and W12, and the corporate lists for the other allocated releases. When I picked up the blantons they just put me back into the local queue at the bottom of the list. 

They should just put it out on the shelf.
  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
4th&Five

4th&Five 41457

Posted
Posted

I’ve gotten W12 there a few times without being on a list. I just asked one of the guys if they had any (after seeing it on here) and they went to the back and got me a bottle. Yesterday the manager that looked like he was 17 scoffed at that and said I needed to be on the list and use my card every time and have my friends use it and blah blah blah...

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Smax

Smax 3800

Posted
Posted
18 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:


They should just put it out on the shelf.

Was at a specs in Houston last week and noticed another customer had a bottle of ER in is basket, had to ask for one since they were keeping them in the back. Said they had a few cases of blantons but sold out the day before, asked why they don't just put on the shelf, said they didn't want hoarders buying them all up.  

I would think a limit 1 per person or having one on display in a case with an inquire sign would be better for the consumer

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Scooter Monzingo

Scooter Monzingo 820

Posted
Posted
15 hours ago, Dogfishhead said:

2c83bcf68db6874aab9355b2f7c54d11.jpg

A taste test. WLW so much spicier and weller 12 so mellow. The spice makes WLW a lot more interesting. Back to back tasting makes weller 12 boring which is crazy to say


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’m pretty new to the bourbon craze. But I have a question for you. 

When I try to taste the flavors of Weller, Stagg, etc. I find the only way I can actually taste things like sugars, charcoal, or fruits. Is to add just a little water. I understand it dilutes it, but it appears I am unable to differentiate any flavor without adding water.

What is your method? I would like to educate myself on this so I can actually tell the difference in a blind test. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Dogfishhead

Dogfishhead 100

Posted
Posted
I’m pretty new to the bourbon craze. But I have a question for you. 
When I try to taste the flavors of Weller, Stagg, etc. I find the only way I can actually taste things like sugars, charcoal, or fruits. Is to add just a little water. I understand it dilutes it, but it appears I am unable to differentiate any flavor without adding water.
What is your method? I would like to educate myself on this so I can actually tell the difference in a blind test. 


I don’t have a refined palate so I needed to taste them back to back but the difference was significant in favor of the WLW. This question is better for heavy hitters like bozocasanova or bigswinginD...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bozo_Casanova

Bozo_Casanova 26271

Posted
Posted
Was at a specs in Houston last week and noticed another customer had a bottle of ER in is basket, had to ask for one since they were keeping them in the back. Said they had a few cases of blantons but sold out the day before, asked why they don't just put on the shelf, said they didn't want hoarders buying them all up.  
I would think a limit 1 per person or having one on display in a case with an inquire sign would be better for the consumer

That’s a good idea.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
HouTex

HouTex 1850

Posted
Posted
2 hours ago, Scooter Monzingo said:

I’m pretty new to the bourbon craze. But I have a question for you. 

When I try to taste the flavors of Weller, Stagg, etc. I find the only way I can actually taste things like sugars, charcoal, or fruits. Is to add just a little water. I understand it dilutes it, but it appears I am unable to differentiate any flavor without adding water.

What is your method? I would like to educate myself on this so I can actually tell the difference in a blind test. 

If you are like me, you might not be able to tell the difference anyway.  I've tried Weller SR, Weller 12 and Weller 107 in blind tastings neat and with one cube of ice.  They are very similar to me but I can pick out the 107 because of the higher alcohol.  But the SR and 12 were identical to me in a blind tasting.  And I love them both, but I know that there's no reason for me to make an effort to search for the Weller 12.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Scooter Monzingo

Scooter Monzingo 820

Posted
Posted
45 minutes ago, HouTex said:

If you are like me, you might not be able to tell the difference anyway.  I've tried Weller SR, Weller 12 and Weller 107 in blind tastings neat and with one cube of ice.  They are very similar to me but I can pick out the 107 because of the higher alcohol.  But the SR and 12 were identical to me in a blind tasting.  And I love them both, but I know that there's no reason for me to make an effort to search for the Weller 12.

Here is a generic review of Blanton’s. If you can taste all of this I’m fucking impressed..

taste profile is sweet, with notes of citrus and oak. The creamy vanilla nose is teased with caramel and butterscotch, all underscored by familiar baking spices such as clove, nutmeg, or cinnamon.

I just opened up a bottle of Blanton’s (rick 35, 11/17) and the best I can taste is the oak, and I guess some type of spice. If I don’t add a drop of water I am unable to taste any sugar..

i guess what I’m tryng to rationalize is that why I don’t mind spending big money on a special bottle (Hell I have already done that). I would just like to know my dumb ass can tell the difference.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
billfromlaketravis

billfromlaketravis 11357

Posted
Posted
21 hours ago, Dogfishhead said:

2c83bcf68db6874aab9355b2f7c54d11.jpg

A taste test. WLW so much spicier and weller 12 so mellow. The spice makes WLW a lot more interesting. Back to back tasting makes weller 12 boring which is crazy to say


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I don't think any one would ever confuse Weller 12 as a super elite bourbon. It's smooth, has some complexity, and it's $25 MSRP. I think the price/age statement/wheater is the big draw for bourbon hunters. Flippers love it because they make 800% profit on it. 

I've always liked Antique better. Buffalo Trace is a strange company. You'd think Weller 12, not Antique, would catch the price increase. It was a curious move. I'd recommend combining the two and making Poor Man's Pappy if you have the means. It amplifies both. 

I drank a bottle of WLW over Thanksgiving, and a bottle of Old Rip Van Winkle over Christmas. ORVW was better. WLW was great, but I kept coming back to, it tastes like a cask strength Weller 12. 

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bozo_Casanova

Bozo_Casanova 26271

Posted
Posted
I’m pretty new to the bourbon craze. But I have a question for you. 

When I try to taste the flavors of Weller, Stagg, etc. I find the only way I can actually taste things like sugars, charcoal, or fruits. Is to add just a little water. I understand it dilutes it, but it appears I am unable to differentiate any flavor without adding water.

What is your method? I would like to educate myself on this so I can actually tell the difference in a blind test. 

Totally normal. It’s very common to open up a whiskey with a little water, and typically the hotter/high alc, the more difficult to pick up what’s going on.

 

But I’m not a supernose, and very few people are. I hear the chords and can tell if everything is on-key, but can’t isolate the notes as well as some.

 

What has helped me the most is to get comfortable with my own vocabulary to describe what I’m getting and not worry about whether I get what others do-

 

For example, upthread I talked about Old Forester 1910. Others might describe that as “cocoa, butter, vanilla, toffee, graham cracker”, etc, I describe the combination- “a Twix”.

 

Anyway- one of the reasons why I prefer bourbon in the 80-93ish range is because that’s where I dan discern the clearest combination of flavors and smells in that range. So if you want to add water to get wherever that is for you, do it. Some serious wine people do that with red wine.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
billfromlaketravis

billfromlaketravis 11357

Posted
Posted
10 hours ago, Smax said:

Was at a specs in Houston last week and noticed another customer had a bottle of ER in is basket, had to ask for one since they were keeping them in the back. Said they had a few cases of blantons but sold out the day before, asked why they don't just put on the shelf, said they didn't want hoarders buying them all up.  

I would think a limit 1 per person or having one on display in a case with an inquire sign would be better for the consumer

Thank God they didn't limit one per customer on Henry McKenna Single Barrel. I bought 5 and felt like I should have bought more. 2019 was a terrific year. 

The "we don't have any Blanton's" BS is the why everybody hates Spec's.They probably have at least two dozen bottles in the store at all times. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
billfromlaketravis

billfromlaketravis 11357

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Totally normal. It’s very common to open up a whiskey with a little water, and typically the hotter/high alc, the more difficult to pick up what’s going on.

 

But I’m not a supernose, and very few people are. I hear the chords and can tell if everything is on-key, but can’t isolate the notes as well as some.

 

What has helped me the most is to get comfortable with my own vocabulary to describe what I’m getting and not worry about whether I get what others do-

 

For example, upthread I talked about Old Forester 1910. Others might describe that as “cocoa, butter, vanilla, toffee, graham cracker”, etc, I describe the combination- “a Twix”.

 

Anyway- one of the reasons why I prefer bourbon in the 80-93ish range is because that’s where I dan discern the clearest combination of flavors and smells in that range. So if you want to add water to get wherever that is for you, do it. Some serious wine people do that with red wine.

Evans Williams Single Barrel and 1910 are the top sub 95 proofers sitting on the shelf. Evan Williams Single Barrel is under proofed, but damn it's complex, has a little ass to it, and is very good. If it were 100 proof, it'd be McKenna 10. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bert Orange

Bert Orange 1115

Posted
Posted

I often add a few drops of water to higher proofs,  especially 2015 WLW and the hazmat GTS’s. It’s a fascinating evolution to try a sip neat and then along the way as you gradually add drops. The profile changes quite dramatically and you can start picking apart the component flavors. Nothing wrong at all with that. 

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites
BigDHornfan

BigDHornfan 6533

Posted
Posted
I often add a few drops of water to higher proofs,  especially 2015 WLW and the hazmat GTS’s. It’s a fascinating evolution to try a sip neat and then along the way as you gradually add drops. The profile changes quite dramatically and you can start picking apart the component flavors. Nothing wrong at all with that. 

I do the same.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
otisdog

otisdog 365

Posted
Posted
14 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I can't understand how this is possible... but California...

Me too....wife was amazed at how excited I was...and how quickly I grabbed it off the shelf.  This is the same market that had 12 bottles of Blanton's on the shelf.  I went up to the manager to see how many bottles I could buy, and he gave me a strange look and asked "well, how much money do you have?"

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Scooter Monzingo

Scooter Monzingo 820

Posted
Posted
On 1/5/2020 at 9:48 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

Totally normal. It’s very common to open up a whiskey with a little water, and typically the hotter/high alc, the more difficult to pick up what’s going on.

 

But I’m not a supernose, and very few people are. I hear the chords and can tell if everything is on-key, but can’t isolate the notes as well as some.

 

What has helped me the most is to get comfortable with my own vocabulary to describe what I’m getting and not worry about whether I get what others do-

 

For example, upthread I talked about Old Forester 1910. Others might describe that as “cocoa, butter, vanilla, toffee, graham cracker”, etc, I describe the combination- “a Twix”.

 

Anyway- one of the reasons why I prefer bourbon in the 80-93ish range is because that’s where I dan discern the clearest combination of flavors and smells in that range. So if you want to add water to get wherever that is for you, do it. Some serious wine people do that with red wine.

Your 1910 recommendation was spot on. Stuff is righteous. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Carl Spackler

Carl Spackler 3461

Posted
Posted
On 1/5/2020 at 7:00 PM, billfromlaketravis said:

Evans Williams Single Barrel and 1910 are the top sub 95 proofers sitting on the shelf. Evan Williams Single Barrel is under proofed, but damn it's complex, has a little ass to it, and is very good. If it were 100 proof, it'd be McKenna 10. 

Shhhhhhh . . .

Link to comment
Share on other sites
4th and 5

4th and 5 4914

Posted
Posted
On 1/5/2020 at 6:09 PM, billfromlaketravis said:

I don't think any one would ever confuse Weller 12 as a super elite bourbon. It's smooth, has some complexity, and it's $25 MSRP. I think the price/age statement/wheater is the big draw for bourbon hunters. Flippers love it because they make 800% profit on it. 

I've always liked Antique better. Buffalo Trace is a strange company. You'd think Weller 12, not Antique, would catch the price increase. It was a curious move. I'd recommend combining the two and making Poor Man's Pappy if you have the means. It amplifies both. 

I drank a bottle of WLW over Thanksgiving, and a bottle of Old Rip Van Winkle over Christmas. ORVW was better. WLW was great, but I kept coming back to, it tastes like a cask strength Weller 12. 

 

I prefer the W12 over Antique. But not by much.

I have bottles of W12, Antique and ORVW.

I've had the opportunity to try the W12, Antique, PMP and ORVW side by side and I prefer

ORVW>PMP>W12>Antique.

IMHO, the PMP is clearly worth the trouble if you have the W12, Antique and some Kentucky limestone water on hand.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Burt Macklin

Burt Macklin 18989

Posted
Posted
On 1/5/2020 at 8:51 PM, billfromlaketravis said:

Thank God they didn't limit one per customer on Henry McKenna Single Barrel. I bought 5 and felt like I should have bought more. 2019 was a terrific year. 

The "we don't have any Blanton's" BS is the why everybody hates Spec's.They probably have at least two dozen bottles in the store at all times. 

Got dam. If I see 5 Henry McKennas on the shelf, I’m gonna do the exact same. I really miss being able to walk into any liquor store and pick up a bottle for like $25. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
BigDHornfan

BigDHornfan 6533

Posted
Posted
You seem to be a Balcones Brand Ambassador good sir. 

Only one of their offerings I didn’t really care for was the Rumble.
The Single Malt, True Blue Cask Strength, and the Wheated Bourbon are all outstanding.
Still bummed I missed out on this year’s Wheated, it was only a single barrel release this year and I wasn’t able to get to the distillery.
Not sure how the staff select single malt made it up here in DFW, but damn sure glad it did.
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
billfromlaketravis

billfromlaketravis 11357

Posted
Posted
5 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Got dam. If I see 5 Henry McKennas on the shelf, I’m gonna do the exact same. I really miss being able to walk into any liquor store and pick up a bottle for like $25. 

Heaven Hill aficionados, I know it’s a single barrel program, but have ironed out the inconsistencies Henry McKenna 10? 2019 was great, but I didn’t like 2017. 

It’s hilarious to read Reddit reviews where posters s*** all over EWBiB while they worship HM10. 90% of them couldn’t tell the difference in a blind taste test. 

r/bourbon is an interesting thread, but there are some horrible takes. Some examples: Maker’s Mark Stave is better than Antique, Old Ezra 7 Barrel Strength is a C- bourbon, one poster mistook Weller 12 for Old Forester Rye in a blind tasting, another poster suggested opening a bottle of Michter’s Barrel Strength Rye and letting it sit for a year. My point is, much like Horns247 there are some good posts buried in bad takes from false experts. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
billfromlaketravis

billfromlaketravis 11357

Posted
Posted
5 minutes ago, BigDHornfan said:


Only one of their offerings I didn’t really care for was the Rumble.
The Single Malt, True Blue Cask Strength, and the Wheated Bourbon are all outstanding.
Still bummed I missed out on this year’s Wheated, it was only a single barrel release this year and I wasn’t able to get to the distillery.
Not sure how the staff select single malt made it up here in DFW, but damn sure glad it did.

You seem to be an expert on Balcones, so I have to ask, why don’t they age anything longer than 2 years? 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Carl Spackler

Carl Spackler 3461

Posted
Posted
45 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Got dam. If I see 5 Henry McKennas on the shelf, I’m gonna do the exact same. I really miss being able to walk into any liquor store and pick up a bottle for like $25. 

+1.  Still pisses me off that my local place jacked the price on it up to 100 fucking dollars after it won the San Fran competition and Minnick talked it up.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites
BigDHornfan

BigDHornfan 6533

Posted
Posted
You seem to be an expert on Balcones, so I have to ask, why don’t they age anything longer than 2 years? 

They do now.
Single Malt and Wheated are both a little over 3 years.
Texas Whisky ages different than Kentucky since our summers are hotter and winters are milder. Process is much faster here. I don’t recall seeing any Texas whisky or bourbon over 4 years at any distillery.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
billfromlaketravis

billfromlaketravis 11357

Posted
Posted (edited)

Small sample size, but from what I’ve seen MGP appears be running extremely low/maybe out of 10+ year bourbons. Many of the sourcing brands have turned to Dickel for aged product. It was a nice run while it lasted.

It might be time to stock up on Bulleitt 12 Year Rye. 

Edited by billfromlaketravis
Link to comment
Share on other sites
GreenspointTexas

GreenspointTexas 9559

Posted
Posted
3 hours ago, BigDHornfan said:


They do now.
Single Malt and Wheated are both a little over 3 years.
Texas Whisky ages different than Kentucky since our summers are hotter and winters are milder. Process is much faster here. I don’t recall seeing any Texas whisky or bourbon over 4 years at any distillery.

Garrison brothers flagship bourbon is almost 4 years old at this point

GB single barrel is 4 years old

Balmorrhea is 4 years old

Cowboy Bourbon is almost 7 years old now

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing


Football ... Basketball ... Baseball ... Other Sports ... Futbol ... 🤫995🤫 ... Gambling ... Movies & TV ... Music ... Hobbies ... Lulz ... Food & Travel ... Daily Texan ... Business and Markets ... Cloak Room ... Help ... For Sale ... Board Discussion ... Subscribe!... Donate!... Advertise... COOKIE MONSTER!

×
×
  • Create New...