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Etexhorn13

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7 minutes ago, futureman said:

did he pass his test at the combine?  he can keep smoking all he wants as long as he doesn’t get arrested for it.

No idea about his combine test, but I’d guess we’d have heard if he failed it. In theory, sure, smoke em if you got em... but maybe when it’s affected your ability to make a shitload more money right off the bat, you might wanna think about not doing that anymore. He was on mayocks best available list for like 3-4 rounds and kept getting passed up. 

Unless he has some other off field issues we are unaware of, that is. 

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3 minutes ago, coolsax said:

SF would've been bad news bc of the legal pot. MN is a much better place for him

would’ve been better.  those athletes aren’t negatively affected physically by smoking weed.  he’s going to smoke anyway and he can still be an elite athlete doing it, just like a substantial portion of the NFL/NBA.  in SF he wouldn’t have to worry about being arrested for it. 

literally all he has to do is pass his one test a year until the shit gets scrapped in the next CBA. 

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2 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Laremy Tunsil had that picture pop up right before the draft, and he still went round 1. He had to have something else happen for him to go undrafted.

we all love holton, but he wasn’t close to being the prospect tunsil was.  this is as simple as it seems.  

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2 minutes ago, victory88 said:

This has to be more than weed right?  He was suspended a whole year under Strong.  There are posters here hinted at knowing what it was but wouldn't post why he was suspended.  I cannot imagine gms passing on a very good 6'3 200lb CB for liking weed.   

it’s that simple.  they don’t want to spend a draft pick on someone who might be suspended for multiple games.  it’s precisely the reason randy gregory slid to the 2nd round (and probably further if jerry were dead).  he had zero issues with anything outside of being a pothead.  holton is not nearly as elite as tunsil or gregory were from a prospect standpoint, so GMs stayed away.  

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20 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

He wasn’t suspended all year. He sat out most of it and looked like shit when he played. 

You didn't watch the same 2017 Holton Hill that the rest of us did.

Edit: didn't realize you were referring to 2016. Carry on.

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He was suspended by Strong. The next year with a new coach he is kicked off the team supposedly for failing at least 4 in house drug tests. 

Getting shut down both your sophomore and junior seasons for disciplinary reasons by two different coaching staffs is a receipe for going undrafted. Tunsil had one picture but was never suspended. Big difference.  

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5 minutes ago, Artificial Iverson said:

well if it's federally legal, it's not going to be tested and guys won't be kicked off college teams ruining their reputations. 

the NFL can still ban it regardless of federal legality.  a lot of the banned substances are federally legal. 

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8 minutes ago, Artificial Iverson said:

well if it's federally legal, it's not going to be tested and guys won't be kicked off college teams ruining their reputations. 

Yeah it's the government's laws that made him ruin his draft stock. How about growing the fuck up and staying off weed long enough to make millions of dollars more than you will be making?

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It's a joke to say "so much better in City A  than B". Drugs are everywhere, especially if you're rich. Fuck being penalized for taking drugs and more power to a future where teams  can look at a player and say "you lose your $, because your drug use makes you insufficient"

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Just now, Artificial Iverson said:

yes it's govt laws for something that shouldn't be illegal to begin 

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

What the fuck do you care?

I responding to the people who are putting the blame on the rules instead of the person not following the rules. 

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27 minutes ago, In10se said:

He was suspended by Strong. The next year with a new coach he is kicked off the team supposedly for failing at least 4 in house drug tests. 

Getting shut down both your sophomore and junior seasons for disciplinary reasons by two different coaching staffs is a receipe for going undrafted. Tunsil had one picture but was never suspended. Big difference.  

It takes a special kind of a) stupid or b)blatant disregard for the rules or c)both to miss that many drug tests at Texas. After you miss the first 2(?) in house tests, they tell you the exact day that they will be testing you. All you have to do is piss clean. He couldn't even manage that. 

I'm pro marijuana legalization, but lets have an adult perspective on this. If you have an opportunity to make millions of dollars and all you have to do is avoid one substance for ~10 years (if you're lucky), you do what is asked of you. "Hey, Holton, you have an opportunity to play at a D1 school with an insane pro pedigree at your position. All you have to do is not fail five drug tests over 4 years and you're guaranteed to make a couple of million dollars." And an even more honest take is that over half of the team smokes pot. A large number of them pop once or twice, especially in the spring or after summer. We don't hear about it because it is dealt with internally. Why is Holton getting singled out? Because he is the only one making it a problem.

From what I heard about Strong's take on a college lifestyle, it was "if you can do it without me hearing about it, great. But the moment that shit lands on my desk, I'm going to make you pay hard." Holton ran up a tab with Strong, which put a bullseye on his back with Herman. If Holton pissed hot after Herman told him not to, with Herman trying to establish his presence in the locker room, I don't see how Herman could possibly look the other way. Everybody was playing by the same rules and only Holton was dumb enough to be the habitual line crosser. And that's the key issue, not the weed itself. Yes, the weed rules in and of themselves are stupid and arbitrary, but they are still the rules. Not following them hurt himself and the team. 

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2 hours ago, Machinator said:

You didn't watch the same 2017 Holton Hill that the rest of us did.

Edit: didn't realize you were referring to 2016. Carry on.

Yeah, I was referring to his soph season, since that was the one he sat out the most of I think. Anyone that doesn’t think he was bad that year is blinded by the season he put together last year. 

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Just now, Disco Missile said:

Well he'll get a shot in Minnesota.

I don't know crap about these things but people say that UDFA contracts can be better than late round picks.

they’re better if you perform.  pretty sure rookie deals for draft picks are four years while UFA are only two(?).  so if you kick ass you can get paid quicker than enduring four years of indentured servitude.  it’s why jerry gave la’el collins all that money so fast. 

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