ERCOT, PUC, and deregulation got us here

[Michael Knight 13,187]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Not sure if troll or dumb. 

[Hagbard Celine 11,157]

22 minutes ago, JohnLocke said:

Believe what you want to believe, I really don't care.  Do you really expect an Ercot official to say "Well, shit, the problem is in our power mix. I think we overdid it on cutting back on coal and nuclear."   You notice that while the article noted that wind production was down 60% from last week, we got no such quantification on the "problems" with coal and nuclear"  Wind has gone to shit this week, and we can't get enough natural gas. Once again, it's not complicated.

well shit, the problem is with the fundamental structure of our entire business model.  we keep our jobs because we answer to the governor and legislature who have been bankrolling their monopoly on power (theirs, yours) for 30 years through the campaign funding of their war on government.

[JohnLocke 115]

10 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Wrong.  Plants of all types are having instrumentation freezes.  Are you really this stupid?

I don't know, you all seem to be documenting what I'm saying just fine.

 

Meanwhile, >30 GW of fossil plants, mostly natural gas, went down.  From Hayden's article  (I'm pretty sure if there were any major issues with coal, it would be the number 1 highlight.)

(From the Bloomberg article) That doesn’t mean that frozen turbines are playing no role in the energy crisis, which the grid operator has highlighted. Cody Moore, head of gas and power trading at Mercuria Energy America, noted that wind generation this week is down markedly this week from last week, possibly indicating that turbines are automatically shutting down due to ice.

“We are seeing wind generation down 60% week-over-week,” said Matt Hoza, manager of energy analysis at BTU Analytics   (From the Bloomberg article.)

And Kudos to Sidis. I look forward to seeing the real numbers.

[Hagbard Celine 11,157]

this needs to be memorialized before he wipes it

+++

Greg Abbott

@GregAbbott_TX

The Texas power grid has not been compromised. The ability of some companies that generate the power has been frozen. This includes the natural gas & coal generators. They are working to get generation back on line. ERCOT & PUC are prioritizing residential consumers.

+++

 

[Bateshorn 9,989]

28 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

either you are a fucking moron or a liar, either way you earned a rare cr neg rep for this one. do better

Stop feeding the troll.  The chances industry trolls show up on these boards to gin people up increases with each passing hour.  

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,761]

Wind for sure in not to blame for this crisis, but by focusing new generation on wind and solar, this is one of the trade-offs.  Wind and solar are the future and are starting to produce sizable amounts of energy 40%+ on days for ERCOT, 60%+ days on SPP.  But until utility grade storage capable of storing said energy is available in mass (they are doing just such) here we are.

[kevwun 16,269]

This isn't his first time trolling.  He just hasn't done it in awhile.

[cactusflinthead 27,626]

 

[cactusflinthead 27,626]

 

[cactusflinthead 27,626]

 

[Pato del Muerto 53,329]

43 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Look at how much natural gas is off line before spouting WSJ op Ed talking points

That’s why I said amazingly, because it is nonsensical for a number of reasons. 

[TexArcher 38,816]

When are people going to realize that Tucker Carlson is not a real person?  He's a persona.  He makes truckloads of money by playing a part on tv and stirring the pot and he doesn't even believe his own bullshit.  He's the news version of Stephen A. Smith or Skip Bayless.

And you can substitute any other "personality" on Fox News for Tucker Carlson above.

And if you come in here trying to blame this fiasco on "the Libs" because that what's you heard from Tucker or anyone else in conservative media, you are part of the problem.  The biggest part of the problem, in fact.  Please sterilize yourselves in case a woman ever accidentally gets drunk enough to fuck you.

 

Edited February 16, 2021 by TexArcher

[washparkhorn 9,967]

from Cactus links:

 

[Bateshorn 9,989]

The Pacific NW went through this, kinda, during the summer of 2001 when Enron started pulling CA power plants off line. A spike in the spot price of electricity caused all sorts of shifting around of power and load that wasn’t under long term contract. 

[UDontKnow 10,557]

45 minutes ago, JohnLocke said:

Believe what you want to believe, I really don't care.  Do you really expect an Ercot official to say "Well, shit, the problem is in our power mix. I think we overdid it on cutting back on coal and nuclear."   You notice that while the article noted that wind production was down 60% from last week, we got no such quantification on the "problems" with coal and nuclear"  Wind has gone to shit this week, and we can't get enough natural gas. Once again, it's not complicated.

Fossil fuels plants have extensive cooling systems. What substance do you use for cooling? And what normally happens to that substance when the temperature hits 32 F (0 C)?

If you really don't care, why don't you fuck right off and join TexAgs. That board caters to people of your intellect. 

[bad_teammate 13,479]

Everyone who advocates anything other than Gen IV or newer nukes can shut the fuck up I'm tired of all this.

[Sawbonz 28,081]

45 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

either you are a fucking moron or a liar, either way you earned a rare cr neg rep for this one. do better

 

 

40 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

what are your sources for your claims?

obviously he does his own research 

[washparkhorn 9,967]

1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

And if you come in here trying to blame this fiasco on "the Libs" because that what you heard from Tucker or anyone else in conservative media, you are part of the problem.

Most outside the Fox News silo fail to grasp the enormity and reach of that propaganda machine. You have to consume it first-hand to understand how much of the population is brainwashed every.damn.day.

[TexArcher 38,816]

Just now, washparkhorn said:

Most outside the Fox News silo fail to grasp the enormity and reach of that propaganda machine. You have to consume it first-hand to understand how much of the population is brainwashed every.damn.day.

Oh, I know it.  I mix in some Fox News (along with CNN, MSNBC, Reuters, and BBC).  One of them stands out dramatically from the others.  If I were a fucking moron, I'd probably fall for it.

[UDontKnow 10,557]

24 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

this needs to be memorialized before he wipes it

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Greg Abbott

@GregAbbott_TX

The Texas power grid has not been compromised. The ability of some companies that generate the power has been frozen. This includes the natural gas & coal generators. They are working to get generation back on line. ERCOT & PUC are prioritizing residential consumers.

+++

 

JohnLocke's personal God and savior just contradicted his claim about coal. 

[gsoda3 3,358]

15 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

 

no that's not what happened.  that market price isn't what's being charged the end user, it's what the energy provider has to pay to purchase energy to make up for their own shortfall they have to deliver to their customers.

 

here's a thread from the replies which does a decent job of explaining.

Quote

 

 

[washparkhorn 9,967]

10 minutes ago, UDontKnow said:

JohnLocke's personal God and savior just contradicted his claim about coal. 

John Locke would be kicking JohnLocke in the shins. Motion to reclaim John Locke from JohnLocke.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,279]

 

Yup. And those two tweets, by educated people no less, are problematic.

[gsoda3 3,358]

1 minute ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

36 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

 

Yup. And those two tweets, by educated people no less, are problematic.

hah she has a doctorate in creative writing

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,279]

hah she has a doctorate in creative writing

I tweeted at both of them. The originator of the tweet might be on this board. It is amazing how ignorant people are of the way they actually get their electricity.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

So is the governor going to hold a press conference or something?  Seems like a good opportunity to inform the public on the situation.

[Foosters 18,223]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

So is the governor going to hold a press conference or something?  Seems like a good opportunity to inform the public on the situation.

Why would he do that when he can just rely on Fox to tell the good people of Texas who to blame:

[TexasEd 8,248]

6 hours ago, gmr548 said:

Abbott is going to go into an election having overseen the ERCOT/PUC mess, spent four years on his knees for Trump, going against public opinion on mask mandates, Texas being among the worst per capita vaccination states, and loudly opposing popular stimulus/relief policy out of the Biden administration.

And he will win comfortably.

If he loses it will be in the primary to a Trumplican/Qanon candidate further right and radicalized than him.

[Mole 4,338]

I don’t know anything about the energy industry or have much of an understanding of this situation but I have very strong opinions that coincidentally align with my political views on a small handful of unrelated social issues.

Also, all energy matters.

[washparkhorn 9,967]

1 hour ago, gsoda3 said:

no that's not what happened.  that market price isn't what's being charged the end user, it's what the energy provider has to pay to purchase energy to make up for their own shortfall they have to deliver to their customers.

 

21 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I tweeted at both of them.

Hook 'em. Thanks for fact checking.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,279]

3 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

 

Hook 'em. Thanks for fact checking.

Thanks.  I hate disinformation.  And it seems like there is a lot of bad info out there from people all over the political spectrum.  It infuriates me.  

[cactusflinthead 27,626]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

 

This is supposedly the mayor of Colorado City, Texas.  Subsequently deleted though. 

[cactusflinthead 27,626]

 

[dingleberryswitzer 2,724]

Well I've used up my rage rep.

[Sawbonz 28,081]

23 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Why would he do that when he can just rely on Fox to tell the good people of Texas who to blame:

Was Texas an early adopter of the GND? How did I miss that?

[washparkhorn 9,967]

5 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Elon Musk:  Tesla is amping up production of wall batteries.

More likely.  

https://www.tesla.com/powerwall

 

Edited February 16, 2021 by washparkhorn
link to powerwall/tesla units.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,279]

5 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

It will be interesting to see what all was offline.  Austin Energy definitely had the most customers by a percentage offline.  

 

[Dbeasy 15,526]

9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

This is supposedly the mayor of Colorado City, Texas.  Subsequently deleted though. 

Hey we could have our own little Thunderdome and Gas Town for survival.

[Goredho 17,627]

It’s finally infrastructure week!!!

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,279]

11 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

This is supposedly the mayor of Colorado City, Texas.  Subsequently deleted though. 

What a moron.  It is like he doesn't realize that you have a contract with your energy providor.  They actually do have to provide energy to you.  However, in this case, which would probably be declared force majeure, since them not delivering energy is outside of their control, it doesn't really mean much.

I hate stupid people.

[elfenix 34,658]

10 minutes ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

Well I've used up my rage rep.

pay $3.50 and get unlimited rage rep

[wildcat09 29,556]

I'm having a very hard time not saying what I think should happen to public officials who disclaim any duty to the public.

[elfenix 34,658]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

I'm having a very hard time not saying what I think should happen to public officials who disclaim any duty to the public.

the french had a solution

[Horn Dog 10,156]

12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

This is supposedly the mayor of Colorado City, Texas.  Subsequently deleted though. 

Can someone explain to this lazy person how one “gets off their ass”  in 15 degree temperatures, and with grocery stores bare, and supplies their family with abundant, clean potable water to their family without heat or electricity?

[freyguy 4,364]

11 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

This has been a painful day for those of us who are fab rats.

[Post Oak 20,550]

16 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

This is supposedly the mayor of Colorado City, Texas.  Subsequently deleted though. 

This is peak GOP idiot speak.  Nobody has less respect for their votes than them.

"You better vote for me or AOC and the rest of the browns are going to take your guns and make you take yoga classes and eat avocado toast."

Also GOP, "what do you want me to do?". 

"Bootstrap it you pussy."

Guys if you vote for Republicans, innocent people are going to die and they're not going to care on iota unless they can go on fox news and use the tragedy for personal gain.    T&Ps.

 

[SizzleChest 8,302]

24 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

This is supposedly the mayor of Colorado City, Texas.  Subsequently deleted though. 

Colorado City, Texas is a socialist government.  SOCIALISM, y'all.  SOCIALISM.

[C-Man 27,684]

 

8 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

Lot of people in the Park Cities have no power or are being included in the rolling blackouts. My ex-wife lives by HP Village and doesn't have power or water service right now after a pipe burst on Preston Road.

Edited February 16, 2021 by C-Man