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11 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Ok, then.  The non-sectarian established private schools are around $30k/year.

What's the alternative?

Homeschooling co-ops with University Models seem to be pretty effective with people I know.  Their kids absolutely crush it on standardized tests.  I used to think homeschoolers were nuts.  Now I do not.

 

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44 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I imagine Ana's ideal educational system is whatever religious indoctrination the worst fictional version of Opus Dei would come up with.

I don't know what's in your imagination, but I find it hard to believe that it is worse than mindless regurgitation of check boxes to clear the system for college admission so they can go upside down in debt and still not understand how to formulate independent thoughts.  

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5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I don't know what's in your imagination, but I find it hard to believe that it is worse than mindless regurgitation of check boxes to clear the system for college admission so they can go upside down in debt and still not understand how to formulate independent thoughts.  

It involves that dude who whipped himself in the Davinci Code so it definitely doesn't generate graduates capable of forming independent thoughts.

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8 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It involves that dude who whipped himself in the Davinci Code so it definitely doesn't generate graduates capable of forming independent thoughts.

You got weird shit going on inside your head man. 

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i honestly didn't think this was where this discussion was headed. advocating for elimination of the public school system. 

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i once again offer my sincere sympathy for those of you with children still in the school/university system.

 

ETA i have clarified that Ana did expressly state on the previous page that he is not an actual advocate of complete public school elimination. 

he thinks parents should instead take responsibility for that role, but he doesn't necessarily think it should be eliminated. my bad.

 

 

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3 hours ago, mchookem said:

i honestly didn't think this was where this discussion was headed. advocating for elimination of the public school system. 

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About as reality based as the lead in to a dear penthouse letter. 

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43 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

 

This would be hilarious to watch if it came to pass, might finally rid us of Maryland Dan at he same time

 

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That's what would make Texas look incompetent?

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32 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

About as reality based as the lead in to a dear penthouse letter. 

i mean...ok. yay? P2025 is gonna cause some deep, deep pain for a lot of families, but yeah, i don't think it calls for the complete elimination of public schools, right? RIGHT?? i was more commenting on you being a proponent of it. somehow i never knew that before, but maybe it just never came up.

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8 hours ago, Anastasis said:

They can't all be bangers from outside the box. Our public school system is a fucking joke. Basically just organized indoctrination camps with some math and an athletic program tacked on. 

 

18 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Imagine thinking that it is the states responsibility to educate your children. True brain worms. 

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ETA ok i had to search all your posts here bc this discussion is moving fast, i missed the line where you denied that. apologies. in my defense, i did ask several times for direct clarification. 

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10 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Indoctrination camps with better reading lists and shitty athletic programs?

My high school had a pretty fucking good athletic program.  A-Rod went there among other several other later major leaguers.

Ever heard of Mater Dei?  DeMatha?

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10 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Homeschooling co-ops with University Models seem to be pretty effective with people I know.  Their kids absolutely crush it on standardized tests.  I used to think homeschoolers were nuts.  Now I do not.

 

Ok, great. I'm sure the great unwashed can do that, especially with that stay-at-home mom or dad.  And those "University Model" schools are missing from entire states and swaths of states all over the place.

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10 hours ago, miguelito said:

Fyi, republicans have been in control of this state for over 30 years. They are responsible for the current state of public education.

……but….they do not take responsibility….it’s obviously the other party’s fault….and they have a plan…..yea.

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10 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

If that’s not the face of someone who is absolutely going to drive this state into the ground, I don’t know what is. God damn simulation. 

That image right there captures the exact moment of his spurting orgasm as one of his eyes stares at a child failing to be educated.

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8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

That image right there captures the exact moment of his spurting orgasm as one of his eyes stares at a child failing to be educated.

I wonder how many tens or possibly hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars have been siphoned off into that guy's pockets? The number has to be staggering.

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Very glad my daughter made it through Texas public schools before what's coming fully gets here.

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Texas Education Board to Vote on Bible-Infused Lessons in Public Schools
A new curriculum would focus on Christianity more than other religions. A kindergarten lesson on the Golden Rule, for example, would teach about Jesus and his Sermon on the Mount.

Texas education officials are expected to vote on Monday on whether to approve a new elementary-school curriculum that infuses teachings on the Bible into reading and language arts lessons.

The optional curriculum, one of most sweeping efforts in recent years to bring a Christian perspective to more students, would test the limits of religious instruction in public education.

It could also become a model for other states and for the administration of President-elect Donald J. Trump, who has promised to champion the conservative Christian movement in his second presidential term.

In the ascendant but highly contested push to expand the role of religion in public life, Texas has emerged as a leader. It was the first state to allow public schools to hire religious chaplains as school counselors, and the Republican-controlled legislature is expected to renew its attempts to require public-school classrooms to display the Ten Commandments.

The new curriculum, which covers kindergarten through fifth grade, would be optional, although school districts would receive a financial incentive to adopt it. The Texas State Board of Education sets standards for what students must be taught and approves a selection of curriculums, and individual schools and school districts choose which ones they will teach.

Texas has about 2.3 million public-school students in kindergarten through fifth grade who could be taught the new curriculum.

Religion makes up a relatively small portion of the overall content. But the lessons delve into Christianity far more often and in depth than they do into other faiths, religious scholars say and a review of the materials by The New York Times found.

In kindergarten, for example, children would be taught that many religions value the Golden Rule, but the lessons would be focused on the Christian version, and introduce students to Jesus and his Sermon on the Mount.

In a fifth-grade lesson on Leonardo da Vinci’s “The Last Supper,” students would be taught an account of the final meal shared by Jesus and his 12 disciples, and would read several verses from the Gospel of Matthew.

The Bible has often appeared in American schools throughout the nation’s history, and schools are free to teach from religious texts. Even so, the proposed curriculum has ignited an uproar, with parents and teachers — including some Christian Texans — expressing worry that the lessons blur the line between instruction and evangelizing, and present scripture and tenets of the Christian faith as factual truths to young children.

Gov. Greg Abbott, a Republican, and other supporters of the new program say that the Bible is a fundamental text in American history, and argue that students’ knowledge of the world would be incomplete without a classical education and robust understanding of Bible stories.

The Texas Education Agency, which oversees public education in the state, released the new curriculum in the spring after the state enacted a law directing the agency to develop its own free textbooks. The law was aimed at providing high-quality teaching materials to educators who often spend long hours searching for them, lawmakers said.

The move provoked immediate controversy. A top curriculum publisher took issue with a state request to add more biblical content to its materials, the education news outlet The 74 reported.

When a panel was convened to vet the new curriculum for bias, opponents argued that the state included several people o the panel who were known for religious advocacy, including Ben Carson, the former federal housing secretary, to rubber-stamp the lessons.

“They’re using Texas as a testing ground for these extreme ideas,” said State Representative James Talarico, a Christian and a Democrat who is also a student at a Presbyterian seminary in Austin.

Similar clashes are erupting in other states, like Oklahoma and Louisiana, where conservative Christian leaders have taken steps to expand the role of religion in public schools. Proponents say Christian themes are pervasive in American culture and that exposing students to them is crucial to their academic development.

“Our language is redolent with concepts, phrases and allusions drawn directly from the Bible and other touchstones of Western thought and culture,” Robert Pondiscio, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, wrote in a recent column.

“Without complete command of these references, students — particularly poor, minority and immigrant students — will struggle to fully comprehend what they read,” Mr. Pondiscio, a former teacher, wrote.

The new curriculum has provoked the anger of Texans of other faiths, who say the lessons lack balance and in some places are even offensive.

Some Jewish families were outraged, for example, over an activity included in a second-grade lesson on the Old Testament story of Esther. In the biblical account, a high-ranking official in the Persian Empire cast lots to decide when all Jews in the land would be killed, and Esther stopped the planned attack.

The lesson included a game in which teachers would ask students to choose a number and then roll a die to see if their number was called.

“This is shocking, offensive and just plain wrong,” Sharyn Vane, a Jewish parent of two Texas public school graduates, said at a public hearing on the curriculum in September, where the majority of speakers criticized the potential lessons.

“Do we ask elementary students to pretend to be Hitler?” Ms. Vane asked, calling the curriculum “wildly problematic in its depictions of Jews.”

The curriculum developers removed the dice rolling game and made other changes after the hearing.

Thomas K. Lindsay, the higher education policy director at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, a conservative group, said that he was “frustrated and very saddened” that critics of the curriculum were focused on its religious content. He argued that the lessons do not proselytize to children.

The Texas Education Agency has said that the proposed curriculum was developed using cognitive science research to improve student outcomes, and Mr. Lindsay said that critics were ignoring its potential to help close reading gaps for children who are behind.

“I understand we’re a polarized country,” said Mr. Lindsay, a member of the state’s curriculum advisory board. “But we’ve got a chance to do something good for the kids who need it most.”

Some critics of the new curriculum say that besides a lack of balance, some of its lessons simply are not very good.

Mark A. Chancey, a professor of religious studies at Southern Methodist University near Dallas, said that the material includes apparent errors. He said the lessons were also often “not age appropriate,” he added, noting that a lesson that describes Genesis to kindergartners could lead them to believe it was fact that God created the world in six days.

David R. Brockman, a Christian theologian and religious studies scholar who reviewed the curriculum, said he has “long been an advocate of teaching about religion in public schools.” But lessons must be balanced, accurate and not promote one religion over others, he said.

The Texas curriculum, he said, does not clear the bar.

In a fifth-grade unit on racial justice, students would be taught that Abraham Lincoln and abolitionists relied in part “on a deep Christian faith” to “guide their certainty of the injustice of slavery.” But they would not be taught that other Christians leaned on the same religion to defend slavery and segregation.

It was one example, Mr. Brockman said, of what he called a “whitewashing of the negative details of Christian history” that “helps to promote Christianity as an inherently ‘good' religion.”

 

 

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4 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Christian themes are pervasive in American culture and that exposing students to them is crucial to their academic development.

Yeah.....about that....go ahead and read through the Sermon on the Mount.  Here's some of the fun stuff that is the pure antithesis to the current American ethos, particularly the one we just elevated with glee a coupla weeks ago::

You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,[h] let him have your cloak as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46

 

“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[n] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, 23 but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.[o]

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

 

I mean, for fuck's sake.  Every single part of that has been loudly denigrated and rejected by the current dominant political movement.  Irony is fucking DEAD.

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43 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah.....about that....go ahead and read through the Sermon on the Mount.  Here's some of the fun stuff that is the pure antithesis to the current American ethos, particularly the one we just elevated with glee a coupla weeks ago::

You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,[h] let him have your cloak as well. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46

 

“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[n] destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, 23 but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.[o]

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

 

I mean, for fuck's sake.  Every single part of that has been loudly denigrated and rejected by the current dominant political movement.  Irony is fucking DEAD.

Jesus never really MEANT that part ...

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Anyone that bothers to quote that part ain't a real Christian.

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Odessa state rep (gop obviously) wants a lot of Texas oil tax money to plug old wells and help with west Texas infrastructure because they’re overburdened supporting the Texas oil industry.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/18/west-texas-oil-gas-well-clean-up-legislation/

in my new attitude to not help any red county, this rep and Odessa can fukc themselves. This guy sounds like a Marxist who wants the rest of Texas to cover their bills. Not my problem. Land/mineral owners out there decided to drill every 50 yards and now expect us to clean up the mess? 

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Texas is offering 1,400 acres along the border to the incoming Trump administration to aid its mass deportation efforts. 

Land Commissioner Dawn Buckingham offered up the land in a letter to President-elect Donald Trump on Tuesday, writing the former ranch could house “deportation facilities.” 

“My office is fully prepared to enter into an agreement with the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or the United States Border Patrol to allow a facility to be built for the processing, detention, and coordination of the largest deportation of violent criminals in the nation’s history," Buckingham wrote.

 

 

buckingham sounds like a dumb ass, and will end up pissing off dear leader. how are the private prison companies going to get their cut off this ??

proud ut grad and was a karen on the lake travis isd school board. i’m sure posters here know her 

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29 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Texas is offering 1,400 acres along the border to the incoming Trump administration to aid its mass deportation efforts. 

Land Commissioner Dawn Buckingham offered up the land in a letter to President-elect Donald Trump on Tuesday, writing the former ranch could house “deportation facilities.” 

“My office is fully prepared to enter into an agreement with the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or the United States Border Patrol to allow a facility to be built for the processing, detention, and coordination of the largest deportation of violent criminals in the nation’s history," Buckingham wrote.

 

 

buckingham sounds like a dumb ass, and will end up pissing off dear leader. how are the private prison companies going to get their cut off this ??

proud ut grad and was a karen on the lake travis isd school board. i’m sure posters here know her 

They build and staff the facilities. Land has to come from somewhere. And shit, we got local companies who are doing that for TDM. Expect more of this shit.

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On 11/12/2024 at 8:35 AM, Anastasis said:

They can't all be bangers from outside the box. Our public school system is a fucking joke. Basically just organized indoctrination camps with some math and an athletic program tacked on. 

How do public schools indoctrinate students? 

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On 11/18/2024 at 9:44 AM, bolverk said:

Very glad my daughter made it through Texas public schools before what's coming fully gets here.

 

My wife optimistically questioned if Katy ISD would embrace their diversity (my son's school is genuinely very diverse) and decline to opt into this.  Then I showed her how every single Board member (seriously, every one) mentioned extensive Church volunteer experience.

We're cooked.

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12 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

My wife optimistically questioned if Katy ISD would embrace their diversity (my son's school is genuinely very diverse) and decline to opt into this.  Then I showed her how every single Board member (seriously, every one) mentioned extensive Church volunteer experience.

We're cooked.

Our school board had a couple of semi-normal incumbents that had been on the board since around 2016 or so.  They got the shit kicked out of them by the book-burning, need prayer in school, hardcore discipline is the answer kooks.  My youngest is just a freshman in HS.  Not sure we're going to be able to wait this one out.

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On 11/18/2024 at 5:23 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Odessa state rep (gop obviously) wants a lot of Texas oil tax money to plug old wells and help with west Texas infrastructure because they’re overburdened supporting the Texas oil industry.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/18/west-texas-oil-gas-well-clean-up-legislation/

in my new attitude to not help any red county, this rep and Odessa can fukc themselves. This guy sounds like a Marxist who wants the rest of Texas to cover their bills. Not my problem. Land/mineral owners out there decided to drill every 50 yards and now expect us to clean up the mess? 

Really want someone in the Lege to tell him to get that commie shit outta here.

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6 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Our school board had a couple of semi-normal incumbents that had been on the board since around 2016 or so.  They got the shit kicked out of them by the book-burning, need prayer in school, hardcore discipline is the answer kooks.  My youngest is just a freshman in HS.  Not sure we're going to be able to wait this one out.

Yeah, good for you, you're close to being done. I have a kindergartener and a 3 year old in Cyfair ISD, which now has a board of 6-1 Christian Nationalists. 3 are up for reelection in 2025, so fingers crossed for a 4-3 flip 🤞 

I'm not really looking forward to this, but my job keeps us in the Houston area. If the vouchers bill passes, we may have to look at private education options instead of to avoid the idiocy being forced on the 120 schools in our district. Unfortunately, most of the private schools I know about in our area are all religious based. 

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1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

My wife optimistically questioned if Katy ISD would embrace their diversity (my son's school is genuinely very diverse) and decline to opt into this.  Then I showed her how every single Board member (seriously, every one) mentioned extensive Church volunteer experience.

We're cooked.

I am a product of katyisd as well. I graduated before shit went sideways thanks god. But that Victor Perez fucker needs to get gone. 

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3 hours ago, HornPhD said:

How do public schools indoctrinate students? 

all that damn reading, writing and social studies! 

almost all the GenZ kids in my life went thru AISD (Austin, McCallum and Anderson primarily). thank god they are all done now...but over the years the specific topic of political lectures, 'indoctrination', etc has come up several times...and every single one of those kids were like 'wut?'

those schools are all WAY more concerned with standardized test scores than they are any kind of librul indoctrination. buncha fake news bullshit to create a boogeyman to scare the morons into getting onboard with christian indoctrination. and it worked. congratulations, Texas. 

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21 minutes ago, mchookem said:

all that damn reading, writing and social studies! 

almost all the GenZ kids in my life went thru AISD (Austin, McCallum and Anderson primarily). thank god they are all done now...but over the years the specific topic of political lectures, 'indoctrination', etc has come up several times...and every single one of those kids were like 'wut?'

those schools are all WAY more concerned with standardized test scores than they are any kind of librul indoctrination. buncha fake news bullshit to create a boogeyman to scare the morons into getting onboard with christian indoctrination. and it worked. congratulations, Texas. 

Exactly. As a public school teacher, if I was able to indoctrinate your kids and make them do anything I wanted, I would start by making them DO THEIR FUCKING HOMEWORK AND BRING A PENCIL TO CLASS!

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