What are y’all buying for the next grid failure?

[dcar00 14366]

8 minutes ago, Grimas said:

Westinghouse WGen9500DF Dual Fuel Portable Generator 9500 Rated and 12500 Peak Watts On Amazon (right now available for $1000)

I can easily run 2 A/C compressors, 2 fridges, all electronics and pool pump (need to se the pump to run at a constant low speed and not the initial high speed ramp-up it normally does).  All house lights LED so low load.  I wouldn't try running electric dryer or electric oven without fear of tripping a breaker but who is doing laundry or baking during an outage (as cooktop) and if needed, I would just turn off one A/C unit on the panel if I needed to use either...

thanks. yeah on the oven, I will probably go gas(it is already plumbed), you can at least boil water if needed if the double whammy of power/water goes out again.  that said the microwave would get the most use during an extended outage anyway. but the main thing is a/c and fridge.

on the pool pump, I'll need to figure out how to set on low speed without getting the surge from the initial priming.

[Grimas 671]

44 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

thanks. yeah on the oven, I will probably go gas(it is already plumbed), you can at least boil water if needed if the double whammy of power/water goes out again.  that said the microwave would get the most use during an extended outage anyway. but the main thing is a/c and fridge.

on the pool pump, I'll need to figure out how to set on low speed without getting the surge from the initial priming.

Typo above, my stovetop is gas, the oven is electric.

On my VSP, you basically have to override the timer settings and go into a low circulation/low RPM mode just to keep the water moving (and the chlorine working). Or play with the fusebox to not let A/C kick on until after the initial VSP prime is done...

[Parliament 14296]

 Bump for the Beryl/Meryl/Ceryl apocalypse.  Let’s have Team Drip and Team Wrap not get into it just now.  That issue matter for at least 3 months.

Edited July 7 by Parliament

[tx 3 putt 77428]

Good bump 

[Slacks 6862]

45 minutes ago, Parliament said:

 Bump for the Beryl/Meryl/Ceryl apocalypse.  Let’s have Team Drip and Team Wrap not get into it just now.  That issue matter for at least 3 months.

My drip is wrapped and my wrap is full of drip.

 

[tx 3 putt 77428]

 

[Schulz2.0 29011]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Joel Osteen's house?

[mdleast 8308]

Joel Osteen's house?

Right before The Purge?

[butthurt 1530]

https://www.amazon.com/FPOWER-Automatic-Fuel-Transfer-Pump/dp/B0CHS3S6W9/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=20FMZMAZXTC3F&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1uCx2G6CV_ILowPoXWReRAIHWpf9LG1ktBMHa224UWYMLEdzy6yMTcTYmZkwRExB_kf_-MAOZgdjmr7Kqi4CWAGa7E8iRKzUYI7XfNCzzjAIsTuVxjftag5o04AAnHS4ExomGQC_jYIZ56p1kmyzkVgn99fgseWaTy2pihSE9ZERV-Esa6P3Cvt3Ogu41jMwNf8K_vlKQtIEDYLs5RCAig.2wW17Qh-3bT54Ka88H06CRBQt6oHre591lZcPxn6eYM&dib_tag=se&keywords=battery+fuel+transfer+pump&qid=1720333287&sprefix=battery+fuel%2Caps%2C124&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1

Probably a repeat post but I found this pretty handy.

[Your Mom 4852]

I love how Austin is supposed to have 30 knot winds and they’re still using the storm’s name. 

[Jkwellborn 6743]

https://www.amazon.com/FPOWER-Automatic-Fuel-Transfer-Pump/dp/B0CHS3S6W9/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=20FMZMAZXTC3F&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1uCx2G6CV_ILowPoXWReRAIHWpf9LG1ktBMHa224UWYMLEdzy6yMTcTYmZkwRExB_kf_-MAOZgdjmr7Kqi4CWAGa7E8iRKzUYI7XfNCzzjAIsTuVxjftag5o04AAnHS4ExomGQC_jYIZ56p1kmyzkVgn99fgseWaTy2pihSE9ZERV-Esa6P3Cvt3Ogu41jMwNf8K_vlKQtIEDYLs5RCAig.2wW17Qh-3bT54Ka88H06CRBQt6oHre591lZcPxn6eYM&dib_tag=se&keywords=battery+fuel+transfer+pump&qid=1720333287&sprefix=battery+fuel%2Caps%2C124&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1
Probably a repeat post but I found this pretty handy.

A gas can?

[Captainant 27772]

It's not a replacement for an actual backup battery, but I'm pretty happy with the 18v tool battery adapter I picked up. Put it on a battery and it gives you 150w AC plug and a USB-C port, and gives some nice flexibility to the pile-o-batteries

[butthurt 1530]

2 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:

A gas can?

No, the pump. 

[Armybrat 40911]

13 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

That would be handy in case your MIL shows up unexpectedly.

[F250 28818]

On 7/7/2024 at 1:24 AM, butthurt said:

https://www.amazon.com/FPOWER-Automatic-Fuel-Transfer-Pump/dp/B0CHS3S6W9/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=20FMZMAZXTC3F&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1uCx2G6CV_ILowPoXWReRAIHWpf9LG1ktBMHa224UWYMLEdzy6yMTcTYmZkwRExB_kf_-MAOZgdjmr7Kqi4CWAGa7E8iRKzUYI7XfNCzzjAIsTuVxjftag5o04AAnHS4ExomGQC_jYIZ56p1kmyzkVgn99fgseWaTy2pihSE9ZERV-Esa6P3Cvt3Ogu41jMwNf8K_vlKQtIEDYLs5RCAig.2wW17Qh-3bT54Ka88H06CRBQt6oHre591lZcPxn6eYM&dib_tag=se&keywords=battery+fuel+transfer+pump&qid=1720333287&sprefix=battery+fuel%2Caps%2C124&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1

Probably a repeat post but I found this pretty handy.

Or just do this.

[Okie State 3848]

On 7/7/2024 at 7:20 AM, Captainant said:

It's not a replacement for an actual backup battery, but I'm pretty happy with the 18v tool battery adapter I picked up. Put it on a battery and it gives you 150w AC plug and a USB-C port, and gives some nice flexibility to the pile-o-batteries

Is this something I could use with my pile of DeWalt batteries? Have a link?

[davidg 4038]

Dewalt has a bunch of 20v usb charger, a 200w /120v inverter  adapters and even a multi battery 1800w inverter “generator”.  Lots of options.   

I bought this one that has USB A and C out out to charger phones etc and it also takes usb-c charging inlet to charge 20v batteries off of a usb-c wall charger or from my truck 12v usb-c outlet which is my primary need.  It won’t power 120v ac devices though, need a different adapter for that.

 

 

 

[Captainant 27772]

15 minutes ago, Okie State said:

Is this something I could use with my pile of DeWalt batteries? Have a link?

I've got a Ryobi flavored one, but it looks like there's a whole bunch of options out there. This one from walmart is nice with 2 batteries so you can swap out a dead battery without interrupting power. There's a legit option from Dewalt too that'll put out 1000W if you connect it to a car battery

 

edit: That 100W USB-C output linked by davidg is pretty dang nice. Most all of my devices can be powered directly from USB-C anyways now

Edited July 10 by Captainant

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

My list

• easier method/device to switch my fridge to generator power. Right now my fridge has been pulled out to the center of the kitchen.
• portable cooling tower for my living room. I have a window unit for my bedroom but the living room doesn't have a convenient window.
• Perhaps a second generator. I question having my current one run practically 24/7. That can't be good for it.
• look into having the starlink internet equipment without a subscription with the ability to quickly subscribe.

or just a one-way ticket out of Texas.

 

[luke duke 6414]

https://www.amazon.com/FPOWER-Automatic-Fuel-Transfer-Pump/dp/B0CHS3S6W9/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=20FMZMAZXTC3F&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1uCx2G6CV_ILowPoXWReRAIHWpf9LG1ktBMHa224UWYMLEdzy6yMTcTYmZkwRExB_kf_-MAOZgdjmr7Kqi4CWAGa7E8iRKzUYI7XfNCzzjAIsTuVxjftag5o04AAnHS4ExomGQC_jYIZ56p1kmyzkVgn99fgseWaTy2pihSE9ZERV-Esa6P3Cvt3Ogu41jMwNf8K_vlKQtIEDYLs5RCAig.2wW17Qh-3bT54Ka88H06CRBQt6oHre591lZcPxn6eYM&dib_tag=se&keywords=battery+fuel+transfer+pump&qid=1720333287&sprefix=battery+fuel%2Caps%2C124&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1
Probably a repeat post but I found this pretty handy.

Or if that doesn’t work, your husband can pour the gas for you.

[Evil Bill Obrien 3293]

Bigger/more battery backups to store juice. More solar panels to charge said batteries. Starlink terminal that can be flipped on a couple day before any possible grid failure event all on my to-buy list.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

One thing I need to investigate is finding ethanol free gas in central Houston. I prefer using it on small engines like generators and should be using it with my lawnmower. However I only know that the Buc'ees in Katy and Waller have it. Too far to drive unless I'm already out that way for another reason.

[Catpfish 618]

I think there are a few Quik Trips in the Houston area, but I don't know if they are any closer

[Nivek 16986]

Or if that doesn’t work, your husband can pour the gas for you.

Meh, some if these newer gas cans have stupid breakable nozzles for safety reasons but their quality causes one to have to use a funnel.

[davidg 4038]

One thing I need to investigate is finding ethanol free gas in central Houston. I prefer using it on small engines like generators and should be using it with my lawnmower. However I only know that the Buc'ees in Katy and Waller have it. Too far to drive unless I'm already out that way for another reason.

https://www.pure-gas.org/

[SurlyGator 876]

I’m pulling a Cuban and buying one of those Ryobi 18V inverters today.  I have several of those batteries, and that could seriously come in handy in a jam, much less camping, etc.

[davidg 4038]

I’m pulling a Cuban and buying one of those Ryobi 18V inverters today.  I have several of those batteries, and that could seriously come in handy in a jam, much less camping, etc.

Go ahead and grab a fan that fits your battery system too. I can run my Dewalt fan 8 hrs on a 5ah battery. Use it all the time camping and if I’m sitting outside in a chair. Instant breeze.

I’m pulling a Cuban and buying one of those Ryobi 18V inverters today.  I have several of those batteries, and that could seriously come in handy in a jam, much less camping, etc.

Go ahead and grab a fan that fits your battery system too. I can run my Dewalt fan 8 hrs on a 5ah battery. Use it all the time camping and if I’m sitting outside in a chair. Instant breeze.

[SurlyGator 876]

A fantastic idea that I read just after getting home from Home Depot.  Charging laptop and iphone with it currently for a longevity test.  I'll put the fan on my next shopping list.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11821]

4 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

One thing I need to investigate is finding ethanol free gas in central Houston. I prefer using it on small engines like generators and should be using it with my lawnmower. However I only know that the Buc'ees in Katy and Waller have it. Too far to drive unless I'm already out that way for another reason.

Pro tip - ethanol burns faster than the gasoline it's mixed with.  So just buy 5 or 10 gallons of regular gas, boil it for about 3 to 5 minutes, and you have ethanol free. YMMV, but report back.

 

[Sbbruin 21888]

1 minute ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Pro tip - ethanol burns faster than the gasoline it's mixed with.  So just buy 5 or 10 gallons of regular gas, boil it for about 3 to 5 minutes, and you have ethanol free. YMMV, but report back.

 

Boiling gas sounds like a brilliant idea.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21921]

If you're going to boil 5 to 10 gallons of gasoline on your stove inside please video it for our entertainment

[Judge Roybeanbag 11821]

Geezus guys that was my whole point.   Don’t you want to weed out the people who YouTube how to shoot fireworks out of your ass?  I think we’d all be better off.  

[utee94 15862]

6 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

• easier method/device to switch my fridge to generator power. Right now my fridge has been pulled out to the center of the kitchen.

So... an extension cord?

6 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

One thing I need to investigate is finding ethanol free gas in central Houston. I prefer using it on small engines like generators and should be using it with my lawnmower. However I only know that the Buc'ees in Katy and Waller have it. Too far to drive unless I'm already out that way for another reason.

I just use Stabil for all gas going into my small engine equipment.  Buying several bottles of it and having it ready to go tends to be easier than finding ethanol-free gas when I need it.

[atomheartbevo 89799]

7 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

or just a one-way ticket out of Texas.

 

24 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

the people who YouTube how to shoot fireworks out of your ass?

[General Specific 3268]

Pro tip - ethanol burns faster than the gasoline it's mixed with.  So just buy 5 or 10 gallons of regular gas, boil it for about 3 to 5 minutes, and you have ethanol free. YMMV, but report back.
 

How should I take the cinnamon again? I do what with the Tide Pod?

[Judge Roybeanbag 11821]

45 minutes ago, General Specific said:

How should I take the cinnamon again? I do what with the Tide Pod?

Brown in the stink, orange in the pink.  I Think.   

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

11 hours ago, utee94 said:

So... an extension cord?

 

Ha. That’s what I have today along with several other extension cords snaking throughout my house.

since it’s becoming a multi process per year, I need to find a better method. Or just get the whole house generator since it’s now a Houston necessity. 

[Evil Bill Obrien 3293]

18 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

One thing I need to investigate is finding ethanol free gas in central Houston. I prefer using it on small engines like generators and should be using it with my lawnmower. However I only know that the Buc'ees in Katy and Waller have it. Too far to drive unless I'm already out that way for another reason.

Its not that much closer but I know the Philips 66 on Westheimer just west of the Beltway usually has ethanol free gas

[Pescado_Rojo 19428]

The Murphy USA station in my local Walmart parking lot has it. Might be worth checking out if you have a Walmart nearby. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

1 hour ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

The Murphy USA station in my local Walmart parking lot has it. Might be worth checking out if you have a Walmart nearby. 

I will check it out.

I started the week with ethanol free gas but had to switch to ethanol gas as the week progressed. I've noticed that I can't quite get the same # of hours of generated energy with the ethanol gas. It's not drastic but I was able to sleep ~8 hours without refilling the ethanol free. I set my alarm to 7 hours with ethanol because it has run dry the other night.

It matters because I've noticed that if the generator runs dry after an extended run period, I have to let it cool down for a couple of hours before it will restart. And yes, I refill the generator while it's running. I'm extremely careful.

[Okie State 3848]

I've been doing a lot of reading on generator setups today. I'm going to get a quote for a Kohler stand by, but I'm expecting the cost to be in the $12K+ range. I think a manual transfer switch and a portable generator or two is the solution for around a quarter of the price. I'm leaning toward inverter generators for the lower noise and cleaner power. Two 5000's in parallel or one 11,000. I have no idea if this would power one or both of my 5 ton AC's. I'm thinking of getting a couple cheap window units as a backup plan anyway. Any recommendations for transfer switch installs in West Houston area?

[Goofyboy 3296]

A lot of people in my neighborhood have that type of setup. The biggest thing you’re missing out on is power outages from a bad thunderstorm. I’m out on the west side (99 and Mason) and our power blips every heavy thunderstorm. My whole house automatically starts up and I’m down for no more than 30 seconds. Since I work from home - it’s nice to be able to just keep going without any extra work on my part.

[Okie State 3848]

29 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

A lot of people in my neighborhood have that type of setup. The biggest thing you’re missing out on is power outages from a bad thunderstorm. I’m out on the west side (99 and Mason) and our power blips every heavy thunderstorm. My whole house automatically starts up and I’m down for no more than 30 seconds. Since I work from home - it’s nice to be able to just keep going without any extra work on my part.

Yep. The convenience is worth more, but just have to decide how much more. A few grand and it's a no brainer. $10K or so makes it a tougher decision. My biggest concerns are if A) I'm not home or B) we're on vacation. A whole home automatic version would be ideal in both of those scenarios.

Regardless, we need to do something. Outages are becoming a regular occurrence lately.

[Captainant 27772]

7 hours ago, Okie State said:

I've been doing a lot of reading on generator setups today. I'm going to get a quote for a Kohler stand by, but I'm expecting the cost to be in the $12K+ range. I think a manual transfer switch and a portable generator or two is the solution for around a quarter of the price. I'm leaning toward inverter generators for the lower noise and cleaner power. Two 5000's in parallel or one 11,000. I have no idea if this would power one or both of my 5 ton AC's. I'm thinking of getting a couple cheap window units as a backup plan anyway. Any recommendations for transfer switch installs in West Houston area?

If you get soft starts for your AC units you'll probably have enough headroom for at least one 

[Okie State 3848]

5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

If you get soft starts for your AC units you'll probably have enough headroom for at least one 

I've been reading about those. My downstairs unit is an older 5 ton and upstairs is a 4 ton variable speed. I'd be okay with one of them running.

Any preferences on a manual transfer switch vs. an interlock? Seems like both have pros and cons, but either should work.

Edited July 15 by Okie State

[Captainant 27772]

17 minutes ago, Okie State said:

Any preferences on a manual transfer switch vs. an interlock? Seems like both have pros and cons, but either should work.

My in laws have a manual transfer switch with a manual 15kw generator that runs off their big ass propane tank. It was a ton cheaper than the auto set up and there's less of a concern with thrashing when power is intermittent 

[Okie State 3848]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

My in laws have a manual transfer switch with a manual 15kw generator that runs off their big ass propane tank. It was a ton cheaper than the auto set up and there's less of a concern with thrashing when power is intermittent 

Agreed. The only reason to have an automatic is if you go standby and don't want to touch anything. I'd do manual if I go the portable route.

From what I've gathered, the manual transfer switch requires you to preselect which circuits will be energized when you flip over to generator power. An interlock is also manual, but energizes the entire breaker box once you isolate from the grid and you manage the load by selecting which breakers remain on. I could see advantages to each.

[Captainant 27772]

4 minutes ago, Okie State said:

From what I've gathered, the manual transfer switch requires you to preselect which circuits will be energized when you flip over to generator power. An interlock is also manual, but energizes the entire breaker box once you isolate from the grid and you manage the load by selecting which breakers remain on. I could see advantages to each.

Their cutover panel physically flips the other breakers open and you slot the ones you want to stay energized all in a certain spot in your breaker box. They still have room for moving two more 20A circuits onto their transfer switch too. 

When it's normal operation, you can keep all your circuits closed. Seems pretty straightforward and you can still choose a subset of circuits if you want to or have power budget concerns

[tx 3 putt 77428]

On 7/11/2024 at 8:52 AM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I will check it out.

I started the week with ethanol free gas but had to switch to ethanol gas as the week progressed. I've noticed that I can't quite get the same # of hours of generated energy with the ethanol gas. It's not drastic but I was able to sleep ~8 hours without refilling the ethanol free. I set my alarm to 7 hours with ethanol because it has run dry the other night.

It matters because I've noticed that if the generator runs dry after an extended run period, I have to let it cool down for a couple of hours before it will restart. And yes, I refill the generator while it's running. I'm extremely careful.

 

aren't modern generators designed to run off ethanol gas ?

[Okie State 3848]

They will run off of ethanol gas just fine. It has less energy in it than pure gasoline though. E10 gets you worse mpg than E0 so I would assume that's why it gets less generation time as well.

Edited July 15 by Okie State