The Cloak Room is a terrible place.

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

Immamac has kidnapped y’all’s kids too and is requiring you to post on Surly? I thought it was only me.

[Cheeseweasel 26,438]

Social media is an echo chamber. It is what it is.

[Guest]

50 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Tell us your version.

I did/ have.  I’m not going to recount it.

cliffnotes: Iceman was a sock created when I stopped posting in CR.  There was nothing clandestine about the activity. Nor did I ever deny who it was. After about a year, that I should just go back to using my original handle, so I did. Then the sock became a mechanism to prove the point that all the people that said, rep  doesn’t matter would get pissed when something corrupted the system.  

if there was no risk of crowdsourcing, I would not give one fuck about a rep score.  In fact a negative score would be something of a badge of honor with the way some of the bitchass  posters on here use it.

bottom line, people know who the fuck they like shooting the shit with or just having a civil discussion. People know who the fucking trolls are. The rep system is pretty much worthless without comments, anyway. Long live Light The Tower!

Edited March 31, 2023 by slorch

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

Lulz. Ok, if you say so. You do realize how hard it would be for you to be crowdsourced? Immamac and the mods have explained it several times. You know what you were doing.

[Serak The Preparer 3,431]

7 minutes ago, slorch said:

...

cliffnotes: Iceman was a sock created when I stopped posting in CR.  There was nothing clandestine about the activity. Nor did I ever deny who it was. After about a year, that I should just go back to using my original handle, so I did. Then the sock became a mechanism to prove the point that all the people that said, rep  doesn’t matter would get pissed when something corrupted the system.  

...

Literally nobody was pissed at the creation / repping from Iceman. We were all laughing at you.

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

Literally nobody was pissed at the creation / repping from Iceman. We were all laughing at you.

Correct.

[Cheeseweasel 26,438]

9 minutes ago, slorch said:

if there was no risk of crowdsourcing, I would not give one fuck about a rep score.  In fact a negative score would be something of a badge of honor with the way some of the bitchass  posters on here use it.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Correct.

False.

All kinds of people got pissed and reported me for transgressions against rep.  Mental health questions were raised. I can link it if you want later today.

 

Yes, fucking seriously. 
 

LOLZ at Serak.  Never ever ever has a positive comment or agrees with me, but always there to correct my stance.  What a fucking cunt.

Edited March 31, 2023 by slorch

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

False.
All kinds of people got pissed and reported me for transgressions against rep.  Mental health questions were raised. I can link it if you want later today.
 
Yes, fucking seriously. 
 
LOLZ at Serak.  Never ever ever has a positive comment or agrees with me, but always there to correct my stance.  What a fucking cunt.

Well, do you have mental health issues? You voluntarily chose to live in Lubbock and Amarillo. Just saying.

[Serak The Preparer 3,431]

53 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Can't be liked enough. I'll all for "it's an online forum what did you expect", but it's been a long time since CR had any actual discussion in any thread. There is so much opportunity to get other viewpoints even if bad, wrong or divergent from you own to at least see where others are coming from. The current group think is just killing it and has expanded into other forums as well.

I do generally agree with you that there is too much auto-negging in CR. For example I think @0xdeadbeef was earnestly posting in the CR in good faith and got a lot of negs for some relatively innocuous (imo) posts. But at the same time it's silly to ignore posting history. I laugh a little every time @Nicole44 complains about the mean old CR. Maybe she forgets advocating for killing of innocent people through widespread bombing of the Middle East, literally claiming that for women and children "Better to be obliterated" than live their lives. At a certain point it's hard to take certain people seriously when they claim to want an intelligent discussion.

 

 

[Guest]

Just now, Patricio Swayze said:

Well, do you have mental health issues? You voluntarily chose to live in Lubbock and Amarillo. Just saying.

Point. match. Winner.

[Rimbo 25,911]

3 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Well, do you have mental health issues? You voluntarily chose to live in Lubbock and Amarillo. Just saying.

Hey! Some of us LEFT Amarillo and have mental issues, thankyouverymuch.

[Serak The Preparer 3,431]

5 minutes ago, slorch said:

False.

All kinds of people got pissed and reported me for transgressions against rep.  Mental health questions were raised. I can link it if you want later today.

 

Yes, fucking seriously. 
 

LOLZ at Serak.  Never ever ever has a positive comment or agrees with me, but always there to correct my stance.  What a fucking cunt.

Treat with me the respect I deserve. Full name please. Do I ever call you "slor"?

And yes, would love to see (when you have time of course) what you think counts as posters being pissed about the creation of iceman.

[Rimbo 25,911]

3 minutes ago, slorch said:

Point. match. Winner.

[Rimbo 25,911]

2 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

Treat with me the respect I deserve.

[Nicole44 22,057]

20 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

I do generally agree with you that there is too much auto-negging in CR. For example I think @0xdeadbeef was earnestly posting in the CR in good faith and got a lot of negs for some relatively innocuous (imo) posts. But at the same time it's silly to ignore posting history. I laugh a little every time @Nicole44 complains about the mean old CR. Maybe she forgets advocating for killing of innocent people through widespread bombing of the Middle East, literally claiming that for women and children "Better to be obliterated" than live their lives. At a certain point it's hard to take certain people seriously when they claim to want an intelligent discussion.

 

 

I assume you’re talking about the Taliban and not ashamed to say I don’t care if they are obliterated. The Taliban. I’ve also been sober since April 24, 2022. Not one drink since. Period. So I get people from every forum probably have a lot to say about any of my posts on any given thread. I rarely neg people and have explained why. I have never reported a single poster or post on surly. Not once. I don’t get into all that shit even though several posters have made and DERAILED many threads bitching about me and my very existence on this site. I can take up for myself. I don’t need the mods to do it for me. 

 

1 hour ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Immamac has kidnapped y’all’s kids too and is requiring you to post on Surly? I thought it was only me.

He kidnapped a lot of us. We are in his basement and he forgets to feed us. Please send some pizza, Pinkertons BBQ, voodoo donuts, $50,000 in cash and Amy’s Mexican Vanilla ice cream. Thanks! 

Edited March 31, 2023 by Nicole44

[Serak The Preparer 3,431]

2 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

I assume you’re talking about the Taliban and not ashamed to say I don’t care if they are obliterated. The Taliban. I’ve also been sober since April 24, 2022. Not one drink since. Period. So I get people from every forum probably have a lot to say about any of my posts on any given thread. I rarely neg people and have explained why. I have never reported a single poster or post on surly. Not once. I don’t get into all that shit even though several posters have made and DERAILED many threads bitching about me and my very existence on this site. I can take up for myself. I don’t need the mods to do it for me. 

Good for you (seriously, not being sarcastic). I am way more forgettable as a poster than you due to lack of both posts and tits but I am sure I have posted some stupid shit under the influence. I doubt I have ever negged one of your posts as I try to only neg shit that is either hateful or disingenuous, and I don't think you've ever been disingenuous.

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

Good for you (seriously, not being sarcastic).I am sure I have posted some stupid shit under the influence.

New site motto?

[Celery Man 20,931]

13 hours ago, Patricio Swayze said:

I would have liked to see Tahoe and Clearlake try to outrun a bear.

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

I was hoping for impatient bear.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,100]

15 hours ago, Serak The Preparer said:

I do generally agree with you that there is too much auto-negging in CR. For example I think @0xdeadbeef was earnestly posting in the CR in good faith and got a lot of negs for some relatively innocuous (imo) posts. But at the same time it's silly to ignore posting history. I laugh a little every time @Nicole44 complains about the mean old CR. Maybe she forgets advocating for killing of innocent people through widespread bombing of the Middle East, literally claiming that for women and children "Better to be obliterated" than live their lives. At a certain point it's hard to take certain people seriously when they claim to want an intelligent discussion.

 

 

As has been suggested by many on here, we need an eye roll emoji that is neutral.  We only have the neg rep.  I'd use the eye roll most the time if we had it.

[Captainant 27,632]

It's funny when there's all these complaints about how unusable CR is, when basically every time a more conservative poster comes in it's exclusively to push whatever the new grievance is: CRT, trans/gay, woke-ism (whatever that is), etc etc. And when they bring a source or a link to back their claims, it's the daily caller, or some fly by night substack blog, shitty meme they saw on Facebook, or some other clearly bad-faith source. 

There's an incredible difference in media literacy between the left and right. Hell, I saw someone post a fucking neonazi blog to support their CRT talking points AND THEY GOT MAD WHEN IT WAS POINTED OUT TO THEM! 

Perhaps conservative posters would get shit on less if they didn't bring so much shit into the CR. They'd also have an easier time supporting their position if they had actual policy and not culture war bullshit they were singularly focused on

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,228]

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

It's funny when there's all these complaints about how unusable CR is, when basically every time a more conservative poster comes in it's exclusively to push whatever the new grievance is: CRT, trans/gay, woke-ism (whatever that is), etc etc. And when they bring a source or a link to back their claims, it's the daily caller, or some fly by night substack blog, shitty meme they saw on Facebook, or some other clearly bad-faith source. 

There's an incredible difference in media literacy between the left and right. Hell, I saw someone post a fucking neonazi blog to support their CRT talking points AND THEY GOT MAD WHEN IT WAS POINTED OUT TO THEM! 

Perhaps conservative posters would get shit on less if they didn't bring so much shit into the CR. They'd also have an easier time supporting their position if they had actual policy and not culture war bullshit they were singularly focused on

Is there a more conservative poster in the CR now you can point to that's ok, that's doing that?

[YGIFS 19,449]

I don't want to berate the cliche that we're living in divided times, but to some points above---I think the shift is also due to just the timing of incredibly abundant shit sources for political news.  We were always gonna end up here, but it's the ubiquity of just one crap site after another being linked to defend crap positions.  I don't know it's a lagging result of political divisiveness or a cause of it, but here we are.  The same people who repped me for years when I gave inside baseball ridicule to Obama bitch and whine incessantly that I'm some overly-CR libtard.  I sat out the first two years of Trump's administration on political posts.  And now, four years later, I'm still waiting on my invite to the event where my old party decided that we were gonna embrace conspiracy and stupidity.  I had no fucking idea how desperate you guys were to reveal your inner assholes.  Be like me, showcase it every day.  Don't wait for validation from a failed gameshow host.  

Said it before and I'll say it again.  I'm no Democrat, but CR is fucking funny.  Way funnier than you "never CR" posters.  What the fuck happened to you guys that Jim Breuer and PilotsError are now your benchmarks for comedy?  

 

[Captainant 27,632]

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Is there a more conservative poster in the CR now you can point to that's ok, that's doing that?

No, and to that posters credit, he owned up to his massive fuckup after getting a long timeout. By my point is: his (and many of his buddies) normal information stream includes that sort of insanity and outright propaganda and lack the media literacy to consider it critically. Hell, there's been times where I or another poster were able to identify the rag they were plagiarizing from (it happened to Sack quite a few times in the CRT thread lmao), simply from googling an entire sentence with quotes around it from their screed lol. 

That's the starting point for the side crying foul about the CR in this thread. I don't think it's terribly unreasonable for us to treat them unseriously when they can't even come up with their own ideas or arguments and resort to word for word repeating what their preferred culture warrior said - which is again, frequently backed by specious sources that don't hold up to any deeper inspection.

Edited April 1, 2023 by Captainant

[Celery Man 20,931]

5 hours ago, Captainant said:

It's funny when there's all these complaints about how unusable CR is, when basically every time a more conservative poster comes in it's exclusively to push whatever the new grievance is: CRT, trans/gay, woke-ism (whatever that is), etc etc. And when they bring a source or a link to back their claims, it's the daily caller, or some fly by night substack blog, shitty meme they saw on Facebook, or some other clearly bad-faith source. 

There's an incredible difference in media literacy between the left and right. Hell, I saw someone post a fucking neonazi blog to support their CRT talking points AND THEY GOT MAD WHEN IT WAS POINTED OUT TO THEM! 

Perhaps conservative posters would get shit on less if they didn't bring so much shit into the CR. They'd also have an easier time supporting their position if they had actual policy and not culture war bullshit they were singularly focused on

Dude, so much this. And people do get piled on unnecessarily,  but often there’s context around that specific poster, and even when there’s not…. grow the fuck up. Nobody is getting neg bombed to death just trying to explore different opinions and engaging honestly. 

 

Our politics are completely fucked.

[Anastasis 23,459]

5 hours ago, Captainant said:

There's an incredible difference in media literacy between the left and right.

LOL. CA lecturing anyone on media literacy, much less couching it in terms of left vs right, is hilarious. 

[Anastasis 23,459]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

I don't think it's terribly unreasonable for us to treat them unseriously when they can't even come up with their own ideas or arguments

LOL. This is also great. Keep going dude. 

[Anastasis 23,459]

The problem with the CR appears to be that there are no mirrors. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,228]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

No, and to that posters credit, he owned up to his massive fuckup after getting a long timeout. By my point is: his (and many of his buddies) normal information stream includes that sort of insanity and outright propaganda and lack the media literacy to consider it critically. Hell, there's been times where I or another poster were able to identify the rag they were plagiarizing from (it happened to Sack quite a few times in the CRT thread lmao), simply from googling an entire sentence with quotes around it from their screed lol. 

That's the starting point for the side crying foul about the CR in this thread. I don't think it's terribly unreasonable for us to treat them unseriously when they can't even come up with their own ideas or arguments and resort to word for word repeating what their preferred culture warrior said - which is again, frequently backed by specious sources that don't hold up to any deeper inspection.

Speaks volumes about how unwelcoming CR is.  I can't believe given the number and diversity of Surly users that there aren't plenty who could contribute but who have decided it's not worth it. I'd love to see a no rep or no reply forum to see if it would be better as currently just not worth it.

[Covri 6,244]

On 3/29/2023 at 11:42 AM, cactusflinthead said:

I can't help it if it gets borked. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,100]

14 hours ago, Anastasis said:

LOL. CA lecturing anyone on media literacy, much less couching it in terms of left vs right, is hilarious. 

 

14 hours ago, Anastasis said:

LOL. This is also great. Keep going dude. 

 

14 hours ago, Anastasis said:

The problem with the CR appears to be that there are no mirrors. 

Then there is Ana.  Sigh.

[Celery Man 20,931]

19 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Speaks volumes about how unwelcoming CR is.  I can't believe given the number and diversity of Surly users that there aren't plenty who could contribute but who have decided it's not worth it. I'd love to see a no rep or no reply forum to see if it would be better as currently just not worth it.

There are lots of historically and traditionally conservative posters in CR. Most of the central beliefs/grievances of the modern GOP are not supported by facts or reason, and this is a big part of why “conservative” posters who venture into CR are frequently backing their arguments with bullshit or lifting them verbatim from Republican grievance blogs. It’s not just because CR people are mean. The modern GOP is not intellectually diverse.

 

[cactusflinthead 27,598]

20 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Speaks volumes about how unwelcoming CR is.  I can't believe given the number and diversity of Surly users that there aren't plenty who could contribute but who have decided it's not worth it. I'd love to see a no rep or no reply forum to see if it would be better as currently just not worth it.

Spout off bullshit with no penalty? Try that in sports and see how it goes. Ask 1604 how well it went. Oh wait you can't because he got crowd sourced. 

[TwiceHorn 31,438]

15 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

There are lots of historically and traditionally conservative posters in CR. Most of the central beliefs/grievances of the modern GOP are not supported by facts or reason, and this is a big part of why “conservative” posters who venture into CR are frequently backing their arguments with bullshit or lifting them verbatim from Republican grievance blogs. It’s not just because CR people are mean. The modern GOP is not intellectually diverse.

 

It's also victimized by its media sources.  I rarely take anything from either side's media at face value, but if you fact-check and verify, you'll find that MSM is far more accurate and candid than the plethora of Fox News acolytes and imitators that litter the internet.

And, "leftists" frequently post inaccurate sound bites from twatter and the like and, although usually not met with the same vitriol, the inaccuracy is pointed out quickly, as in please don't post [breathlessly false twatter account].

[TwiceHorn 31,438]

17 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Spout off bullshit with no penalty? Try that in sports and see how it goes. Ask 1604 how well it went. Oh wait you can't because he got crowd sourced. 

That's actually a pretty good analogy.  Many of the "right wing" posts are complete shitposts to begin with.  Some cite a very bad source, like bringing Clay Travis into the football discussion unironically.

[cactusflinthead 27,598]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

in please don't post [breathlessly false twatter account].

Raises hand. I don't remember which ones I have been called out for but it has happened. I'll grab questionable stuff expecting pushback because I want the discussion. I'm just as likely to grab something from the Bulwark as the WP. 

 

[Rimbo 25,911]

[Mullet Free 40]

On 4/1/2023 at 2:56 AM, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I'd use the eye roll most the time if we had it.

Why are you spouting lies? No one here believes this. 
 

6 hours ago, Celery Man said:

There are lots of historically and traditionally conservative posters in CR. Most of the central beliefs/grievances of the modern GOP are not supported by facts or reason, and this is a big part of why “conservative” posters who venture into CR are frequently backing their arguments with bullshit or lifting them verbatim from Republican grievance blogs. It’s not just because CR people are mean. The modern GOP is not intellectually diverse.

 

We get one of these posts on every page on this thread. Thanks for playing the hits. 
 

On 4/1/2023 at 12:59 PM, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I can't believe given the number and diversity of Surly users that there aren't plenty who could contribute but who have decided it's not worth it.

They just can’t handle the heat! Too much logic, sound policy, and original thought coming at them for the average person to take!

 

6 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

Spout off bullshit with no penalty? Try that in sports and see how it goes. Ask 1604 how well it went. Oh wait you can't because he got crowd sourced. 

There’s plenty of bullshit spewed in CR that goes unpunished by all of its well documented conservative membership.

 

[cactusflinthead 27,598]

9 minutes ago, Mullet Free said:

plenty of bullshit

This is what number of names? Or more directly, how many times have you been crowd sourced?

Fuck all the way off

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

Hahaha which snowflake is that?

[cactusflinthead 27,598]

8 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Hahaha which snowflake is that?

GRHorn/Satoshi/Immaculate Vibes/Mullet Free 

@bolverk called him out in the DT Ukraine War thread. 

 

[bolverk 29,655]

13 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Hahaha which snowflake is that?

 

4 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

GRHorn/Satoshi/Immaculate Vibes/Mullet Free 

@bolverk called him out in the DT Ukraine War thread. 

 

I'd forgotten to add Humble Beast to that list.

[cactusflinthead 27,598]

That's 5. One more for a sixer 

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

I can’t imagine how lame that dude’s life must be that he spends his time making multiple screen names on a forum where no one likes him. Well, except for other right wing bitch made bitches. Ducking get a hobby.

[Willfully Horn 8,001]

On 3/31/2023 at 10:15 AM, Cheeseweasel said:

Social media is an echo chamber. It is what it is.

You are way more correct than wrong. Perhaps that is by design. Sometimes enforced by rules limiting what someone can post. Which is different than a post receiving negative response on the merits of the post content.
 

I post mainly in CR, because that is where what I usually want to post is allowed. OTOH, reading DT, or 6SJ, often provokes a desire to respond to a given post, because politics is more than just a thing. Politics determines the future my kids will navigate. Because reasons, I am not supposed to share my view on other threads. That, too, is frustrating.

CR is the free speech zone here on Surly.

[Mullet Free 40]

3 hours ago, Patricio Swayze said:

I can’t imagine how lame that dude’s life must be that he spends his time making multiple screen names on a forum where no one likes him. Well, except for other right wing bitch made bitches. Ducking get a hobby.

My work allows time for following news and posting and I guess I enjoy adversarial intellectual environments.  Where else can I be called a snowflake by a heavy metal loving, pit bull apologist?  Harder to do irl.

Not everyone dislikes me. There’s usually just a few people that reliably neg. That said, I am tired of resetting accounts so I’ve cut down on CR posting by probably over 90%. Just keeping limited to topics that really interest me and staying away from culture war stuff that is very upsetting to some. 
 

 

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

My work allows time for following news and posting and I guess I enjoy adversarial intellectual environments.  Where else can I be called a snowflake by a heavy metal loving, pit bull apologist?  Harder to do irl.
Not everyone dislikes me. There’s usually just a few people that reliably neg. That said, I am tired of resetting accounts so I’ve cut down on CR posting by probably over 90%. Just keeping limited to topics that really interest me and staying away from culture war stuff that is very upsetting to some. 
 
 

Got it. So after 5-6 different screen names you are finally getting the hang of things. “Could be worse.”

[Beau Vine 54,207]

On 3/30/2023 at 1:42 PM, Patricio Swayze said:

It’s funny how alleged adults concern themselves with imaginary rep points on a fucking online forum. Rep isn’t money or inches to your dick.

Says the guy with only 13000 rep points!  Come on!  

[Cheeseweasel 26,438]

12 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

CR is the free speech zone here on Surly.