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Ernst Tinaja and Boquillas today. Starlight tonight       

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spent dec 24-jan 1 in alpine/big bend/terlingua. alpine on christmas eve was dead, not even a place to get a beer. bock burger was open and once again a solid burger sold from the side window of a hou

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I knew there was a thread for this but I couldn’t find it. Thanks for UnivTex34 for pointing me this way.

I have been to BIBE several times and along the river road, but had never been to the interior of the state park until this past weekend.

Some of you have seen some of these since I cross posted them to the camping thread but here are some from that trip as well as some NP photos from a trip I took in early December.

La Mota Mountain

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Sunset at Papalotito Colorado.

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Full pila near Tres Papalotes.

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La Mota from Papalotito Colorado.

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DOM rock from Fandango. The original one from before the movie is up above it.

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You can also see Casa Grande and Emory Peak from here.

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Small agave on the South Rim.

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And these were actually taken on 35mm.

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I also have lots of photos of many of the things down there if anyone is wanting to see anything in particular.

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Great pics Anton...

In my youth (early 70s) there was an off the map trip you could take within the park to an old Army camp right on the river.  It was hard to get to...very primitive road.  There were  military dug outs, for gun emplacements, sparse remains of a couple of semi-permanent structures, and old debris all over the area - tobacco tins, food tins, bullet casings, etc.  Memory is that it was actually attacked by Pancho Villa's men (not Pancho himself) and a fire fight took place there (hence the gun casings).

I asked a Ranger at Panther Junction on my last trip about this and he said he'd never heard of it.  I took from that that they didn't want people in there these days.

Does anyone else recall such a place? 

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Anton Chigurh

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Great pics Anton... In my youth (early 70s) there was an off the map trip you could take within the park to an old Army camp right on the river.  It was hard to get to...very primitive road.  There were  military dug outs, for gun emplacements, sparse remains of a couple of semi-permanent structures, and old debris all over the area - tobacco tins, food tins, bullet casings, etc.  Memory is that it was actually attacked by Pancho Villa's men (not Pancho himself) and a fire fight took place there (hence the gun casings).

I asked a Ranger at Panther Junction on my last trip about this and he said he'd never heard of it.  I took from that that they didn't want people in there these days.

Does anyone else recall such a place? 

 

 

I know of Camp Neville Springs (where Buffalo Soldiers were stationed) and Camp Glenn Springs which was raided but it’s l not on the river.

 

The Glenn Springs Raid matches your description aside from having any kind of gun emplacements, but isn’t on the Rio. 3 of those soldiers were killed in 1916 by Pancho Villa’s men.

 

There are some ruins of the old camp and candelilla wax production structures here:

 

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Near Brewster County, TX

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There’s actually a pull out on Glenn Springs road nearby so you can explore the area. I have driven those roads but haven’t explored Glenn Springs yet. Maybe next time.

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1 hour ago, gecko said:

Great pics Anton...

In my youth (early 70s) there was an off the map trip you could take within the park to an old Army camp right on the river.  It was hard to get to...very primitive road.  There were  military dug outs, for gun emplacements, sparse remains of a couple of semi-permanent structures, and old debris all over the area - tobacco tins, food tins, bullet casings, etc.  Memory is that it was actually attacked by Pancho Villa's men (not Pancho himself) and a fire fight took place there (hence the gun casings).

I asked a Ranger at Panther Junction on my last trip about this and he said he'd never heard of it.  I took from that that they didn't want people in there these days.

Does anyone else recall such a place? 

almost had to be something from the pancho villa era.  i know the dea used castalon as a base for the pablo acosta raid, who's mom lived in santa elena, but that was in the 80's.

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Planning a three-day hiking trip with primitive camping over Spring Break with my son (11 years old).  At first glance, I'm thinking of doing the outer loop.  Any recommendations on that or other trails?  We can stretch it to a four day trip if needed.  What are priorities to see / do?  Go for one loop, or break it up into other individual trips?

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On 1/9/2019 at 10:10 AM, Anton Chigurh said:

I knew there was a thread for this but I couldn’t find it. Thanks for UnivTex34 for pointing me this way.

I have been to BIBE several times and along the river road, but had never been to the interior of the state park until this past weekend.

Some of you have seen some of these since I cross posted them to the camping thread but here are some from that trip as well as some NP photos from a trip I took in early December.

La Mota Mountain

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Sunset at Papalotito Colorado.

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Full pila near Tres Papalotes.

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La Mota from Papalotito Colorado.

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DOM rock from Fandango. The original one from before the movie is up above it.

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You can also see Casa Grande and Emory Peak from here.

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Small agave on the South Rim.

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And these were actually taken on 35mm.

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I also have lots of photos of many of the things down there if anyone is wanting to see anything in particular.

Nice pics.  I've been to almost every corner of the state except Big Bend, so it's on the top of my list to get out there hopefully in the Spring.

What kind of carmera do you use?  I saw some pics you posted on the Utah Parks thread and they are just outstanding.  

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Nice pics.  I've been to almost every corner of the state except Big Bend, so it's on the top of my list to get out there hopefully in the Spring.
What kind of carmera do you use?  I saw some pics you posted on the Utah Parks thread and they are just outstanding.  


Thanks! I use a Canon 5D Mark IV. A few of the ones from the other thread were shot on a Canon 7D Mark I. You don’t need that kind of camera for most of these photos, though. Good glass is more important. I mainly use the Canon 24-105 F/4L and the Canon 16-35 F4L.
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Planning a three-day hiking trip with primitive camping over Spring Break with my son (11 years old).  At first glance, I'm thinking of doing the outer loop.  Any recommendations on that or other trails?  We can stretch it to a four day trip if needed.  What are priorities to see / do?  Go for one loop, or break it up into other individual trips?
If you can stretch it to 4 days like you mentioned santa elena canyon and the window are good ones to do after you finish/before you start outer loop
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What’s it like in July? Too hot for small children?


Well, I wouldn’t hike except in the Chisos or super early in the day. I wouldn’t camp either.

I stayed at the Terlingua Ranch lodge in July and it was actually decent since it’s dry.

It’s great cause you can just walk out on the porch and look up at the Milky Way.
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21 hours ago, smoky said:

How crowded is it for primitive camping at Spring Break?  How difficult is it to get a backcountry permit during that time?

It’s never too crowded for a backcountry permit.  It’s the car camp sites that get filled up during Spring Break (and other times).  

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It’s never too crowded for a backcountry permit.  It’s the car camp sites that get filled up during Spring Break (and other times).  

You are always taking a chance during spring break.   You still can only reserve a permit in person a day ahead of time.   So if you drive in from any of the major cities, getting there at 3 or so, you are already getting the leftovers.  Best advice if you want to have a chance is to drive out late  the day before you want to get there, spend a night in ft stockton, then drive to the park in the morning.  

Or troll the reservation website (which probably doesn't work right now) for a single night reservation.   Then  you can be first in line for backcountry permits.  Also if you do end up driving in, they can get you the permit at persimmon gap entrance.   It's a hassle because they have to call panther junction,  but you are 45 minutes ahead. 

Be flexible in your choices.   Take your truck or suv so you have more choices for primitive/dirt road campsites. 

 

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As I have found out, this is not always true. Depends on the Ranger working that entrance. Some will do it, some won't. 

Yeah, this was the case last December, We raced to make the Gap by shutdown, and he wouldn't do it. Had to go to PJ. Might have broken some speeding laws that day. Spent 3 days in Pine Canyon #2, and lived to tell about it.

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Just as a general FYI...

 

There is a nice little day hike called Cattail Falls that ends at a waterfall. If you go during the monsoon season (late summer) the waterfall should be cranking. You begin to hear the falls first, then start to feel the mist, before you actually get to the falls.

Other times of the year, the falls might be more like a trickle, but you can still wade in and soak your head.

Roundtrip is probably only 6 or 8 miles (maybe less?), and there is only one climb that isn't too bad. I took my daughter there when she was maybe only 3 or 4, and years later she remembers the waterfall.

 

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21 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

Just as a general FYI...

 

There is a nice little day hike called Cattail Fall...

 

they closed down the gravel road access a couple years ago...you used to be able to drive all the way to the trail head, now you have to start hiking from the paved road and it adds a couple of miles. the park rangers also like to act like the falls don't exist so don't expect any help from them finding the trail.  

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2 hours ago, stc said:

they closed down the gravel road access a couple years ago...you used to be able to drive all the way to the trail head, now you have to start hiking from the paved road and it adds a couple of miles. the park rangers also like to act like the falls don't exist so don't expect any help from them finding the trail.  

 

Yeah, its not well known. Its a pretty delicate area around the actual falls, so I can understand why the would like to keep the crowds down.

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5 hours ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

That looks like something my cat pukes up.  But you don't see with your mouth, so I assume it tastes good.

It's called parisa, and it probably sounds like something a cat would puke up to those who have never heard of it, but pretty much anybody who's tried it will probably agree that the secret ingredient must be crack cocaine. 

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