We reserve the right...

[RPM 26,185]

To refuse service if you don't wear a fucking mask! Just because Gov. Hot Wheels doesn't mandate it does not mean individual business can't. And to be clear you're not getting arrested for not wearing a mask, you're getting arrested for criminal trespass and resisting arrest.

I wonder who she voted for? Hmm...

[Celery Man 20,874]

My favorite part was when she found out

[Pato del Muerto 52,322]

Feel good movie of the spring. Hope there’s many more to follow, maybe then a few of these folks will try to actually understand the laws. 

[Foosters 17,691]

And when you see these towns and when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just see them thrown in, rough, I said, please don't be too nice.

[Dr. Teeth 5,813]

She’s still going to win her re-election campaign in Georgia. 

[skeeter 453]

At least she was given the option of having it done the easy way or the alternative.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,074]

Fuck that dumb cunt.  That cop deserves a medal.  

 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5,781]

You're smashing my hand into my private area! Lmao

[Pato del Muerto 52,322]

Perp:  I hope someone is recording this!

cop:  I’M RECORDING IT

[GRHorn 105]

I see you, Galveston

[pyrohornIII 4,801]

Hope that bank closes her account and flags her as a risk for all other banks.  

[Red Five 40,593]

Those two have good chemistry and would make a good comedy team.

"Are you speaking Spanish to them?"

"I know Spanish."

[dingleberryswitzer 2,724]

I think the poster that says “start your life plan” is a nice subtle touch.  

[Guest Lobo]

21 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

You're smashing my hand into my private area! Lmao

Gonna be a lot of fisting where she's headed after arraignment.  

[dingleberryswitzer 2,724]

 Can we just have businesses labeled as “assholes only” which are staffed by and serve assholes

[Wanker Bob 379]

Amazing how they can get body cam footage out when it doesn't look bad on them or expose their own criminal acts. 

[TexArcher 37,455]

This is a good video, but I feel like some taser and nightstick would've taken it to the next level.  Three stars.

[Neonmoon 38,127]

I love it when a police officer explains the laws to stupid people who think they know the laws. It’s so good. 

[ztejas 43,244]

Something I don't get about the mask mandate lift and resulting lawsuit(s). I thought businesses could basically enforce whatever they want when you are a customer or on their property - short of "you can't eat here you're black". Like, if there wasn't a pandemic, couldn't a business still enforce a mask policy and ask you to leave if you weren't wearing a mask? How is that any different than a restaurant telling you "I think you'd be more comfortable in this, sir"? Maybe I'm misunderstanding where the lines are drawn?

Edited March 13, 2021 by ztejas

[wildcat09 29,187]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Something I don't get about the mask mandate lift and resulting lawsuit(s). I thought businesses could basically enforce whatever they want when you are a customer or on their property - short of "you can't eat here you're black". Like, if there wasn't a pandemic, couldn't a business still enforce a mask policy and ask you to leave if you weren't wearing a mask? How is that any different than a restaurant telling you "I think you'd be more comfortable in this, sir"? Maybe I'm misunderstanding where the lines are drawn?

Yes.

[SubliminalHorn 6,648]

33 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Those two have good chemistry and would make a good comedy team.

"Are you speaking Spanish to them?"

"I know Spanish."

I think that was Peggy Hill

[TexArcher 37,455]

I might watch this as many times as the sooner getting KTFO'd in the bathroom.

"Your private area?!"

[TwiceHorn 31,184]

13 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Something I don't get about the mask mandate lift and resulting lawsuit(s). I thought businesses could basically enforce whatever they want when you are a customer or on their property - short of "you can't eat here you're black". Like, if there wasn't a pandemic, couldn't a business still enforce a mask policy and ask you to leave if you weren't wearing a mask? How is that any different than a restaurant telling you "I think you'd be more comfortable in this, sir"? Maybe I'm misunderstanding where the lines are drawn?

The basic thing is that the Governor has the power to declare an emergency and to enact public health and safety measures in response to that emergency.

So, too, mayors (cities) and county judges Icounties) have the ability to declare an emergency and enact public health and safety measures.

The act that creates those powers doesn't specify whose authority "trumps" whose.  Generally speaking, one would think that local governments are free to be more restrictive than the state, but not the other way (local can't "undo" state).  That's based on a general understanding of primacy of government "levels."  Such an understanding may not be entirely appropriate because the Governor doesn't occupy a powerful place in state government, it has only the powers specifically granted by the Constitution and the legislature.  There's no notion of Governor supremacy in Texas, the way federal supremacy is built into the US Constitution, in many circumstances.

In this particular case, he is effectively arguing that his "unmandatory" mask order trumps local government's mandatory mask orders.

His "unmasking" order technically rescinds his prior masking and social distancing orders (https://open.texas.gov/uploads/files/organization/opentexas/EO-GA-34-opening-Texas-response-to-COVID-disaster-IMAGE-03-02-2021.pdf) and thus should really leave local governments to fill in and continue the restrictions as they see fit.

The legislation providing these powers needs to be clarified.

Edited March 13, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[Chooky 13,292]

The first amendment says I can go to Autozone without pants. Surly lawyers can maybe confirm this. 

[skeeter 453]

15 minutes ago, Chooky said:

The first amendment says I can go to Autozone without pants. Surly lawyers can maybe confirm this. 

Not a lawyer, but I don’t think she would encounter much resistance to do so ...
 

 

[Beau Vine 53,965]

1 hour ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

You're smashing my hand into my private area! Lmao

The cop should have asked if it was a private area or a public place.

[Chooky 13,292]

That's not very practical desert wear but I'll allow it. 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6,531]

So no knee on the neck for 10 minutes?  Why not done!

[Beau Vine 53,965]

1 hour ago, pyrohornIII said:

Hope that bank closes her account and flags her as a risk for all other banks.  

I'm gonna guess that she had all of about $200 in that bank.

[RPM 26,185]

She thought it was Bank of 'Merica!

[wildcat09 29,187]

41 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The basic thing is that the Governor has the power to declare an emergency and to enact public health and safety measures in response to that emergency.

So, too, mayors (cities) and county judges Icounties) have the ability to declare an emergency and enact public health and safety measures.

The act that creates those powers doesn't specify whose authority "trumps" whose.  Generally speaking, one would think that local governments are free to be more restrictive than the state, but not the other way (local can't "undo" state).  That's based on a general understanding of primacy of government "levels."  Such an understanding may not be entirely appropriate because the Governor doesn't occupy a powerful place in state government, it has only the powers specifically granted by the Constitution and the legislature.  There's no notion of Governor supremacy in Texas, the way federal supremacy is built into the US Constitution, in many circumstances.

In this particular case, he is effectively arguing that his "unmandatory" mask order trumps local government's mandatory mask orders.

His "unmasking" order technically rescinds his prior masking and social distancing orders (https://open.texas.gov/uploads/files/organization/opentexas/EO-GA-34-opening-Texas-response-to-COVID-disaster-IMAGE-03-02-2021.pdf) and thus should really leave local governments to fill in and continue the restrictions as they see fit.

The legislation providing these powers needs to be clarified.

I don't think the legislation is really that confusing. Could it be clearer? Sure, but I don't think there's really a good argument that he can override local emergency orders. Abbott is simply abusing his powers because he knows that local and county officials are reluctant to piss him off.

[TwiceHorn 31,184]

14 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I don't think the legislation is really that confusing. Could it be clearer? Sure, but I don't think there's really a good argument that he can override local emergency orders. Abbott is simply abusing his powers because he knows that local and county officials are reluctant to piss him off.

It's not confusing.  But it creates a potential for a state/local conflict that is all too real, and doesn't say boo about whose rules trump.

[jimmyjazz 45,513]

1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Something I don't get about the mask mandate lift and resulting lawsuit(s). I thought businesses could basically enforce whatever they want when you are a customer or on their property - short of "you can't eat here you're black". 

DISCLAIMER:  I'm not a lawyer

I think it comes down to the definitions of "public accomodations" and "protected classes".  Race is a protected class, and so a public accomodation (a facility used by the public, like retail outlets, schools, etc.) cannot discriminate on the basis of race.

Failure to wear a mask is not a status protected against discrimination.  Public accommodations can turn a person away for failing to wear a mask, just as most restaurants turn customers away who aren't wearing a shirt or shoes.

[SaucyJack 3,484]

2 hours ago, ztejas said:

Something I don't get about the mask mandate lift and resulting lawsuit(s). I thought businesses could basically enforce whatever they want when you are a customer or on their property - short of "you can't eat here you're black". Like, if there wasn't a pandemic, couldn't a business still enforce a mask policy and ask you to leave if you weren't wearing a mask? How is that any different than a restaurant telling you "I think you'd be more comfortable in this, sir"? Maybe I'm misunderstanding where the lines are drawn?

 

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Yes.

 

59 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

DISCLAIMER:  I'm not a lawyer

I think it comes down to the definitions of "public accomodations" and "protected classes".  Race is a protected class, and so a public accomodation (a facility used by the public, like retail outlets, schools, etc.) cannot discriminate on the basis of race.

Failure to wear a mask is not a status protected against discrimination.  Public accommodations can turn a person away for failing to wear a mask, just as most restaurants turn customers away who aren't wearing a shirt or shoes.

 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,074]

How much you want to bet that this stupid hag believes a bakery had a right not to bake a cake for a gay wedding because private business, but the bank doesn't have the right to mandate masks on its private property because ???? The hypocrisy and idiocy with these folks is fucking unreal.

[TwiceHorn 31,184]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

DISCLAIMER:  I'm not a lawyer

I think it comes down to the definitions of "public accomodations" and "protected classes".  Race is a protected class, and so a public accomodation (a facility used by the public, like retail outlets, schools, etc.) cannot discriminate on the basis of race.

Failure to wear a mask is not a status protected against discrimination.  Public accommodations can turn a person away for failing to wear a mask, just as most restaurants turn customers away who aren't wearing a shirt or shoes.

This is true.  So long as a business doesn't discriminate against a "protected class," it can do whatever it wants.

 

These particular lawsuits between the state and local entities aren't concerned with that aspect.  Abbott's order even specifically states that businesses can do as they wish regarding masks or occupancy.

These lawsuits deal with the conflict of state and local emergency powers created by Texas Govt. Code Chapter 418.

[jimmyjazz 45,513]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

These particular lawsuits between the state and local entities aren't concerned with that aspect.  Abbott's order even specifically states that businesses can do as they wish regarding masks or occupancy.

These lawsuits deal with the conflict of state and local emergency powers created by Texas Govt. Code Chapter 418.

Understood, I was just trying to clarify his question about what businesses could mandate on their premises.

[RPM 26,185]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

Understood, I was just trying to clarify his question about what businesses could mandate on their premises.

Just about anything relating to safety.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

This is true.  So long as a business doesn't discriminate against a "protected class," it can do whatever it wants.

 

These particular lawsuits between the state and local entities aren't concerned with that aspect.  Abbott's order even specifically states that businesses can do as they wish regarding masks or occupancy.

These lawsuits deal with the conflict of state and local emergency powers created by Texas Govt. Code Chapter 418.

While it’s not clear I still believe the local government can tell the state to fuck off since there’s no provision in the law that allows the state to trump what the legislature has given the local government the right to do when it is subject to a disaster. 
 

But I admit it’s not clear and the totally reasonable Texas Supreme Court will likely disagree with my interpretation so it really doesn’t matter what I think. 

[Hagbard Celine 10,734]

data sample  yesterday in  West

Gerik's: no sign, no policy, all the locals eating lunch and all staff: zero masks; myself and 4 other customers stopping in for bakery, 100% masked

Slovacek's on the west side of 35: sign says "will not require but continue to encourage".....  all staff 100%, customers, 95%.

[RPM 26,185]

Czechs out

[Underdog 28,437]

Saw it this morning, CNN had Galveston Mayor on talking about this.  

[Beau Vine 53,965]

Quote

The maskless woman involved in the incident at a bank in Galveston spoke out on Friday.

During a phone interview with KPRC 2, Wright said although she has yet to see video of the incident, she wouldn’t do anything differently.

“My civil rights were violated. There is no law that says I have to wear a mask, none whatsoever,” Wright said. “And how can a bank that has my money in it refuse me access unless I put a face diaper on?”

She also added that she thinks wearing a face mask is “absolutely ridiculous.”

“I don’t know why people aren’t waking up. I really don’t,” Wright said.

I KNEW IT!!! WE GOT A CIVIL RIGHTS EXPERT HERE, BOYS AND GIRLS!

Edited March 13, 2021 by Beau Vine

[RexWilson 1,341]

I think many businesses will still have signage saying face mask required but I am more curious to see how many will enforce.

[Post Oak 20,182]

Was just at HEB and Target.  I didn't notice anyone without a mask.  

HEB had a woman posted at the door hoping someone would FAAFO

[Guest Lobo]

This woman is aware that she can still access her "money in this bank" via mobile phone apps, computer website, telephone, fax, ATM, USPS, ACH/wire, et. al.  

She got super cunty at the end, but she probably wouldn't have garnered so much hatred and gotten arrested IF at the beginning had she just said, "Look, I have money here, the governor has lifted the mask mandate, I need to make a transaction and I'll be on my way.  I don't know all the rules and exceptions to what Abbott said, but I really need to make this deposit before the end of the month."  She could even have slid in a little, "This is bullshit, I have rights." and probably have gotten away with it, and maybe even allowed to finish her transaction.  But nope, had to make a scene.  

But here's the thing.  There's posters on here salivating and plotting to go into an HEB or Academy or Home Depot or gun range or whatever and not wear a mask so they can make their little stand about their Freedoms!  That's fine, as long as you're not violent or coughing on people, go live your best life---you don't have much to look forward to anyways.  But pro tip........a few places you do not, under circumstances, fuck around and virtue signal your magatry.  Chief among them...a fucking bank.  That's just ultra-level stupidity. 

Do you understand, if a policeman is called to a bank during pandemic or no pandemic, because somebody refuses to leave...they can basically just walk in and start blasting whoever matches the description and there isn't a #BLM member that wouldn't be like, "Yeah, dumb bitch wouldn't budge...she gonna need to take a couple rounds for the trouble."  This isn't like a Wal-Mart or Hobby Lobby situation where somebody is gonna wrassle' with the shift manager.  You make any kind of weird physical standoff in a bank, and the police come, either comply immediately or there isn't a hard-left progressive liberal judge in the country that's not gonna rule, "Uh, you didn't listen to an armed cop in the lobby of a fucking bank where you were already asked to leave by staff?  You're fucking lucky cuffed and 30 days in jail is all you're looking at instead of 2 gravediggers tossing dirt onto your casket."  

We're all surly assholes here.  We've all mouthed off at authority now and again.  But you keep your fucking mouth shut, head down, and comply when it comes to banks, airports, border crossings, and government buildings.  That ain't the place to play armchair Libertarian.  

Edited March 13, 2021 by Lobo

[Fudge Nuggets 19,118]

54 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I KNEW IT!!! WE GOT A CIVIL RIGHTS EXPERT HERE, BOYS AND GIRLS!

I'm sure three months ago she was an election law expert, prior to that an epidemiologist and during dotard's first impeachment definitely a constitutional law scholar.

[pacman 7,309]

5 hours ago, ztejas said:

Something I don't get about the mask mandate lift and resulting lawsuit(s). I thought businesses could basically enforce whatever they want when you are a customer or on their property - short of "you can't eat here you're black". Like, if there wasn't a pandemic, couldn't a business still enforce a mask policy and ask you to leave if you weren't wearing a mask? How is that any different than a restaurant telling you "I think you'd be more comfortable in this, sir"? Maybe I'm misunderstanding where the lines are drawn?

Some of these anti-maskers consider it a violation of their civil rights to require them to wear a mask...yes, they want anti-mask to be a protected class right up there with gender and skin color.

[jimmyjazz 45,513]

29 minutes ago, Lobo said:

This woman is aware that she can still access her "money in this bank" via mobile phone apps, computer website, telephone, fax, ATM, USPS, ACH/wire, et. al.  

She got super cunty at the end, but she probably wouldn't have garnered so much hatred and gotten arrested IF at the beginning had she just said, "Look, I have money here, the governor has lifted the mask mandate, I need to make a transaction and I'll be on my way.  I don't know all the rules and exceptions to what Abbott said, but I really need to make this deposit before the end of the month."  She could even have slid in a little, "This is bullshit, I have rights." and probably have gotten away with it, and maybe even allowed to finish her transaction.  But nope, had to make a scene.  

But here's the thing.  There's posters on here salivating and plotting to go into an HEB or Academy or Home Depot or gun range or whatever and not wear a mask so they can make their little stand about their Freedoms!  That's fine, as long as you're not violent or coughing on people, go live your best life---you don't have much to look forward to anyways.  But pro tip........a few places you do not, under circumstances, fuck around and virtue signal your magatry.  Chief among them...a fucking bank.  That's just ultra-level stupidity. 

Do you understand, if a policeman is called to a bank during pandemic or no pandemic, because somebody refuses to leave...they can basically just walk in and start blasting whoever matches the description and there isn't a #BLM member that wouldn't be like, "Yeah, dumb bitch wouldn't budge...she gonna need to take a couple rounds for the trouble."  This isn't like a Wal-Mart or Hobby Lobby situation where somebody is gonna wrassle' with the shift manager.  You make any kind of weird physical standoff in a bank, and the police come, either comply immediately or there isn't a hard-left progressive liberal judge in the country that's not gonna rule, "Uh, you didn't listen to an armed cop in the lobby of a fucking bank where you were already asked to leave by staff?  You're fucking lucky cuffed and 30 days in jail is all you're looking at instead of 2 gravediggers tossing dirt onto your casket."  

We're all surly assholes here.  We've all mouthed off at authority now and again.  But you keep your fucking mouth shut, head down, and comply when it comes to banks, airports, border crossings, and government buildings.  That ain't the place to play armchair Libertarian.  

Who are you arguing with?

This lady didn't understand the law.  She believed the Q hive.  She's an idiot.  She broke the law.  Arrest made.  Justice served.

[Guest Lobo]

Not arguing with anybody.  Just openly pontificating with the Qhive posters who lurk here.  There's more than you'd think.