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Stein says the many of the documents her campaign turned over were communications with RT, a media outlet that US authorities have dubbed a Russian propaganda network.

Former Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein says she and her campaign have finished turning over hundreds of documents to the top congressional committee investigating Russian election interference in 2016 — but she is refusing to hand over some documents that she argues are protected by the Constitution.

In a telephone interview with BuzzFeed News, Stein said many of the documents she and her campaign recently sent to the Senate Intelligence Committee were emails with RT, a Russian state-funded media network that US intelligence agencies have dubbed a Kremlin propaganda outlet. Stein, who made several appearances on RT during the 2016 presidential race, said the emails were largely about setting up interviews.

“I doubt it reached a thousand documents, but it was certainly hundreds of basically emails, mostly communicating with RT producers about when we were going to show up and what time we needed to be where,” Stein said.

Stein, however, has refused to hand over some documents from two of the six categories about which the committee inquired. One of those categories, according to a March letter from Stein’s lawyer to the committee’s bipartisan leadership, was for communications with “Russian persons,” while the other asked for “all communications related to the campaign’s policy discussions regarding Russia.” Both categories asked for documents dated from Feb. 6, 2015, when Stein announced her interest in making second presidential bid, to present.

Stein — who announced last week that she had finished turning over documents to the committee — says she did turn over materials related to her 2015 trip to Moscow to attend a conference, where she was photographed sitting at the same dinner table as Russian President Vladimir Putin and future White House national security adviser Michael Flynn. “The materials include records of the campaign’s payment for my trip to Russia as well as longstanding Green Party policy objectives of promoting dialogue and diplomacy as essential alternatives to war, nuclear confrontation and climate catastrophe,” Stein said in the statement on Thursday.

“The dinner was a real non-entity,” Stein told BuzzFeed News Friday. “Although the Russians, I’m told, are capable of speaking English, they did not, and we were not acknowledged, we were not introduced; there was absolutely nothing that went on at that table,” Stein said, adding that “there were about four words translated between” Flynn and Putin. That conversation was along the lines of "How are you?" "Okay," Stein said.

Both North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr and Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, the committee’s respective chair and vice chair, have referenced Stein’s trip to Russia while speaking about their interest in her campaign. Flynn, who was ousted from the White House just 24 days into the presidency, has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about communications with the Russian ambassador and agreed to cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller, who is leading a criminal investigation into potential collusion between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign.

BuzzFeed News reported first in December that the committee had taken an interest in Stein. Earlier in April, BuzzFeed News reported that she had turned over documents in response to the committee’s request late last year.

“Can I point out that when I was in Russia, they actually refused to identify me as a candidate?” Stein said. “So even though my campaign had requested that I be introduced and listed in the program and so on as a candidate, although I was not the nominee at the time, Russia refused to do that.”

Stein said the two categories of documents she did not turn over “were overbroad” and “basically requested constitutionally protected material” — a sentiment echoed by her lawyer, who cited Stein’s First Amendment rights in declining to provide documents about internal policy discussions. So we did not look for them, to tell you the truth,” Stein said. “It’s not as though there were these special documents that we thought were sensitive and therefore couldn’t turn over. Truth to tell, I don’t think we had anything sensitive and we did not go looking for our internal dialogue about our policy positions.”

In her letter, Stein’s lawyer argued that the committee’s request for “all communications with Russian persons,” was “so undefined and overbroad as to be untethered from any legitimate investigative or legislative purpose.” However, Stein said she and her campaign provided communications “with persons known to be representatives of the Russian government, media, or business interests” as part of the other categories of documents the committee requested.

The committee also asked for any communications with Wikileaks or DCLeaks, both of which published the hacked DNC emails, about “plans to disseminate information relating to the 2016 elections.” And they sought any communications between the Stein campaign and former British spy Christopher Steele, who authored a dossier alleging years of Trump-Kremlin links, which was first published by BuzzFeed News in January 2017, after security officials had briefed then-president Barack Obama and Trump about it. Stein’s lawyer said they found no documents responding to either of those categories.

Stein, who was initially expected to make the documents she turned over to the committee public, told BuzzFeed News she is “not planning” to do so.

Burr and Warner have not ruled out using their subpoena power to compel Stein to provide the documents she refused to hand over. "I'll figure out where exactly we are and we'll take the appropriate steps,” Burr said Thursday.

Asked whether they will ask Stein for an interview, Burr said: "I don't think that we've seen a need to have her in, but it seems like people are offended when we don't invite them now."

Stein told BuzzFeed News Friday she would be willing to be interviewed by the committee, but said she is “really not at all” worried about a subpoena. “If they would like to go to battle on the constitutional protections, we think that the battle is worth fighting. Am I worried that there are documents here that are potentially dangerous? I’m not worried about that at all, so I feel like I have absolutely nothing to hide and nothing at risk. On the other hand, what’s at risk here are our constitutional liberties which should be protected.”

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That's an awful lot of words they said, but it's interesting that none of those words are any sort of legal precedent to validate why they are refusing to reply to the request. 

Stein said the two categories of documents she did not turn over “were overbroad” and “basically requested constitutionally protected material” — a sentiment echoed by her lawyer, who cited Stein’s First Amendment rights in declining to provide documents about internal policy discussions. So we did not look for them, to tell you the truth,” Stein said. “It’s not as though there were these special documents that we thought were sensitive and therefore couldn’t turn over. Truth to tell, I don’t think we had anything sensitive and we did not go looking for our internal dialogue about our policy positions.”
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I hope her lawyer can make a better argument than refusing to turn it over because the request "basically requested constitutionally protected material". 

Also, if someone starts off their sentence with "truth to tell", they usually aren't telling the truth with anything that follows. 

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The Russians have been using green parties as useful idiots for a while now. The Russians where particularly successful in spreading anti-fracking propaganda in the EU which ultimately lead to anti-fracking legislation. Of course, the Russians don't give a shit about the environment in EU countries, they didn't want EU countries developing alternative sources of natural gas.

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I think Jill Stein was just a useful idiot in all this and not a malicious actor herself.

That's what I thought too, but if she's refusing to cooperate with the investigation, that certainly makes it look like she's hiding something. 

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12 minutes ago, Pods said:

That's what I thought too, but if she's refusing to cooperate with the investigation, that certainly makes it look like she's hiding something. 

Pure speculation, she may have been coordinating messaging and campaign strategy.  Her tweets were crazier than Trump’s.

That would look really really bad.

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Yeah, those tweets can be ready as really good opportunist or collaborator on messaging. Combined with the other evidence and the fact that the Stein camp is acting squirrelly and the GOP is expressing hesitation about wanting to interview her, that's intriguing at the least. 

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On 5/1/2018 at 8:57 PM, RDCanecutter said:

Jill Stein is that person on the Juco interview committee whose question is "If you were a character in a movie, what movie would that be?"

And if she really, really liked you answer, she would tell you hers. Probably Barbra Streisand in Yentl. And she would run out the clock on the interview telling you exactly why, and then rubberstamp your admission, even if you'd gotten suspended for selling 'roids to eight graders, had a 2.1 GPA (earned through cheating), and a 790 SAT. 

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Jill Stein’s Recount Cash Pays for Her Russia Legal Defense

Money that Jill Stein raised to recount votes in 2016 swing states is being used by her campaign to pay for legal bills stemming from the investigation of Russian interference in the last presidential election.

In June, The Daily Beast reported that the the U.S. Green Party candidate’s campaign, which raised $7.3 million for recounts in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, had in 2017 stopped disclosing its monthly spending with the Federal Election Commission. Later that month, the Jill Stein for President committee filed a slew of reports that reveal spending on lawyers who are not trying to get inside any voting machines.

At the end of May 2018, according to the most recent FEC filing, the Stein campaign paid the “Partnership for Civil Justice” $66,441.60; that is on top of a $31,536 payment made in January, and more than the Stein campaign had in cash on hand by November 2016.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jill-steins-recount-cash-pays-for-her-russia-legal-defense

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2 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Bernie’s just as deep into this shit as Stein and Dotard.  Irony of ironies is Hillary is probably the least corrupt of the bunch like many of us thought all along.

I hate Bernie Sanders. Fucking selfish dour loudmouth threw the country to maga hell. He stood in the way of women. And he's considering it again. Putz.

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On 4/30/2018 at 7:34 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Pure speculation, she may have been coordinating messaging and campaign strategy.  Her tweets were crazier than Trump’s.

That would look really really bad.

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So let me guess, this is the thread where all the radical lefties shit on the 3rd party because they think she's responsible for putting Trump in the whitehouse? 

 

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9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Personally, I blame the people that voted for Trump.

The people that voted for Jill Stein should also be shamed tho...

The people who sent her money to fund the recount efforts, which were based on claims that Russia may have hacked the voting machines, are the best though. 

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3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Personally, I blame the people that voted for Trump.

The people that voted for Jill Stein should also be shamed tho...

 

Mea culpa.

It's not like I actively supported her campaign monetarily or even vocally. Hell, I didn't even give much attention to her at all. It's just that I, as a Texan, have tended to throw away my worthless presidential vote (because of the Electoral College) to the Greens whenever I didn't like the Democratic candidate.

My all-time presidential voting record:

1992: Clinton

1996: Nader

2000: Nader

2004: Kerry

2008: Obama 

2012: Obama

2016: Stein

It was just meant as a throwaway protest vote, and I'm really sorry for it. Feel free to point and laugh. A lot of it was simply because I'm philosophically opposed to the notion of familial dynastic inheritance of the presidency.

Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Bush (Jeb!)/Clinton (Hillary!).

I just felt that I could feel justifiably smug and content, knowing that I never voted for another Clinton again. Of course, I was never so stupid as to seriously consider Trump as a viable alternative, but I was horribly wrong.

It's okay if y'all want to point and laugh. That photo of her hanging out with Putin and her answers since then are really fucking suspect. If it's proven she was complicit, I hope she hangs. I do also hope that the Greens and the Bernie Bros learn to live under the Democratic tent because it's become apparent that the perfect is very much the enemy of the good.  

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

No specific act yet but the idiocy, obstruction, and dinner with Putin/Misha Flynn looks really bad.

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And this dinner was part of an event to honor fucking RT if I remember correctly. They are seated right next to the man himself in celebration of a state owned/operated version of Fox News.

True patriots. 

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5 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

These tweets get more and more remarkable 

She really hits every single talking point. They are somehow more Kremliny than the Kremlin. 

Not unlike Trump picking a national security adivsor and secretary of state that were literally the most favorable two humans on Earth for the jobs from Putin's perspective (aside from farming out the work to fucking Lavrov and Bortnikov), the tweets read like cut and pastes from the Sputnik daily briefing. 

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