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3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I agree that it's real, but that's not an instant mandate for federal regulation.

Unless you have a "dipshits with kids can't buy this shit" regulation, there's going to be some problems with that that most regulations, from any authority, are powerless to reach.

Yeah, I should have been more specific, sorry. I meant that I think that, at least as it stands today, the government should have a more prominent role in raising awareness than in regulation.

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2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

He mentioned as AG of California not as a DA in San Francisco. Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things. But since you're so obsessed with the topic, I thought I could point you in the right direction so that you can check her record as AG (not DA). 

The article he posted literally says, about her time as DA. 

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Conviction rate aside, only 45 people were sentenced to state prison for marijuana convictions during Harris’ seven years in office, compared with 135 people during Hallinan’s eight years, according to data from the state corrections department. That only includes individuals whose most serious conviction was for marijuana.

Despite the substantial number of convictions, many of the people who were arrested for marijuana during Harris’ tenure were never locked up or never even charged with a crime, according to attorneys who worked on both sides of the courtroom.

“Our policy was that no one with a marijuana conviction for mere possession could do any (jail time) at all,” said Paul Henderson, who led narcotics prosecutions for several years under Harris. Defendants arrested for the lowest-level possession would typically be referred to drug treatment programs instead of being charged, and weightier charges for marijuana sales would routinely be pleaded down to less serious ones, he said.

Solis, who led the public defender’s office misdemeanor division for part of Harris’ tenure, agreed that her office only rarely prosecuted people for low-level, simple possession.

It's not fine that he wants to run with "Kamala the Cop locked up all the pot smokers in California" - it was a bad faith argument during the primary and it is still is.  He's a troll, but I'm not going to let these DT trolls coming over with their new socks and keep perpetuating bad faith arguments. 

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So, let's get back onto the topic of legalization. Living in Texas, clearly we can't purchase it at a store. A few months ago, I first heard of Delta-8 and how that is legal and did a little research. I purchased a bag of gummies and gave it a shot. They did make me feel rather mellow, but I'm not sure I could say I was actually "high."

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5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

So, let's get back onto the topic of legalization. Living in Texas, clearly we can't purchase it at a store. A few months ago, I first heard of Delta-8 and how that is legal and did a little research. I purchased a bag of gummies and gave it a shot. They did make me feel rather mellow, but I'm not sure I could say I was actually "high."

Watch yourself with Delta-8 as there are some indications that the suppliers are not taking appropriate safety measures and it can contain some nasty ass shit.  I think that was mostly for the cartridges, but it could extend to gummies i suppose.  Just a heads up.  Saw it on the High thread in Nastys if you are interested, theres a longcat post detailing all of it.

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5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

So, let's get back onto the topic of legalization. Living in Texas, clearly we can't purchase it at a store. A few months ago, I first heard of Delta-8 and how that is legal and did a little research. I purchased a bag of gummies and gave it a shot. They did make me feel rather mellow, but I'm not sure I could say I was actually "high."

That's probably the best you can get.

Texas really will be one of the last states to do it.  The amount of money they are ceding to just about every state that surrounds them would be mind bogglingly stupid if we didn't know the nancies who run Texas' government, like Danny Patrick.  

God and guns? Great!

Weed and brown people? Bad!

Casinos? Well now, wait a minute, how much money is Adelson's estate willing to give us first? 

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24 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Prove your work, troll.  And it can't be from any conservative "news" source. 

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Wait I’m the bad faith troll? 

 

13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I agree that it's real, but that's not an instant mandate for federal regulation.

Unless you have a "dipshits with kids can't buy this shit" regulation, there's going to be some problems with that that most regulations, from any authority, are powerless to reach.

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Because of the above, you are trying to defend the cop known as VP Harris by subtly and disingenuously changing the argument.

Kamala Harris was the San Francisco District Attorney (DA) from 2004 to 2011 and the California Attorney General (AG) from 2011 to 2017. The DA is an elected position that determines which arrests in a district to prosecute. The AG is an elected official who advises the governor and state legislature and acts as the prosecutor for the whole state.

Because of the expansive nature of the AG job, the AG is not very involved in minor drug prosecutions. So, to understand Harris’s prosecutorial past regarding marijuana violations, it makes more sense to look at her record as DA of San Francisco.

According to The Mercury News, Harris oversaw approximately 1,900 marijuana convictions as DA of San Francisco. She prosecuted more people than her predecessor, Terrence Hallinan, who was considered more liberal. Data compiled by the California Attorney General’s office found that under Harris, 24% of marijuana arrests led to convictions, while under Hallinan, only 18% of arrests led to convictions.

 

I actually agree with you on the broader topic of legalization. I’m just challenging the justification for being bullish on this regime spearheading this. If the answer is “just wishful thinking or hope” then that’s more than fair.

Also it’s like you can’t see I have over 1000 posts and am not a sock? Both you and others have said weird things like I’m a new sock; I’m not hiding anything.

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5 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

South Dakota's entire state government is fighting this tooth and nail.  Don't expect to roll up to Mt Rushmore and fire up a j anytime soon.

It’s not as bleak as you think.

yes....... South Dakota might kill the recreational initiative, but they’ve lost on the medical fight. Noem who is a crazy and miserable cunt by the way, tried to delay the implementation of the medical law for a year, presumably so she can find a way to kill it in the courts. The South Dakota house and senate couldn’t agree on what to do, so the medical law that voters voted on will go into effect in a few months.

meanwhile..... for Texans who want to toke up. You will have New Mexico, Mexico, and probably Oklahoma to buy product from in the near future. Last year, Oklahoma’s house and senate voted to approve a bill which would have given out of state folks the ability to buy medical weed ( actual potent marijuana) from their dispensaries. The governor of Oklahoma rescinded that provision at the last minute for some unknown reason. Republican Oklahoma lawmakers are now talking about passing a full recreational bill or letting the people of oklahome vote on a ballot initiative to legalize recreational.

not all Republican states have governors who run things like dictators. Some of them actually do care about the will of the people.

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I've got a relative in OKC who is an O&G finance exec for a privately held production company. Owner has extensive arable land holdings and diversified into cultivation. So his job is now 50/50 analysis energy and weed deals. So its being legally grown in OK.

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5 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

It’s not as bleak as you think.

yes....... South Dakota might kill the recreational initiative, but they’ve lost on the medical fight. Noem who is a crazy and miserable cunt by the way, tried to delay the implementation of the medical law for a year, presumably so she can find a way to kill it in the courts. The South Dakota house and senate couldn’t agree on what to do, so the medical law that voters voted on will go into effect in a few months.

meanwhile..... for Texans who want to toke up. You will have New Mexico, Mexico, and probably Oklahoma to buy product from in the near future. Last year, Oklahoma’s house and senate voted to approve a bill which would have given out of state folks the ability to buy medical weed ( actual potent marijuana) from their dispensaries. The governor of Oklahoma rescinded that provision at the last minute for some unknown reason. Republican Oklahoma lawmakers are now talking about passing a full recreational bill or letting the people of oklahome vote on a ballot initiative to legalize recreational.

not all Republican states have governors who run things like dictators. Some of them actually do care about the will of the people.

Mine sure as hell doesn't give a fuck about the will of the people and it might actually cost the dumb cunt her job in 2 years.

Hopefully our Dem state auditor runs against her.  He's a young white guy from the rugged and remote northeast corner of Iowa who happens to be an avid hunter.  Will be very difficult to paint him into the urban elite crazy liberal camp.

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1 hour ago, BearSchlong said:

I've got a relative in OKC who is an O&G finance exec for a privately held production company. Owner has extensive arable land holdings and diversified into cultivation. So his job is now 50/50 analysis energy and weed deals. So its being legally grown in OK.
 

My wife new a nursing home administrator that left Texas for Oklahoma to grow weed with her husband and it seems to be working out so far.

As far as legalization in Texas the most effective thing that has been done so far is the legalization of hemp.  All you really need do is say your weed is hemp.  At least in Travis country. In fact something interesting to know is that the Travis Country Sheriff's Department had to get all new drug dogs.  Because they would signal on hemp and marijuana the same.  As the Sheriff's dept is not chasing weed like they used to.  Hell nearly all the cops think having it illegal is stupid, except for the racist ones that want to keep that tool in their abuse of power bag.

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34 minutes ago, horn4life said:

My wife new a nursing home administrator that left Texas for Oklahoma to grow weed with her husband and it seems to be working out so far.

As far as legalization in Texas the most effective thing that has been done so far is the legalization of hemp.  All you really need do is say your weed is hemp.  At least in Travis country. In fact something interesting to know is that the Travis Country Sheriff's Department had to get all new drug dogs.  Because they would signal on hemp and marijuana the same.  As the Sheriff's dept is not chasing weed like they used to.  Hell nearly all the cops think having it illegal is stupid, except for the racist ones that want to keep that tool in their abuse of power bag.

We have a fucking idiot who still lives his life like he’s in the 1950’s for a lieutenant governor. The problem is most Texans vote R no matter what and Dan Patrick actually wins elections in our very big and diverse state.

Dan Patrick will kill anything and everything that goes against his personal 1950’s opinions and values. We are not getting legal weed, casinos, or sports betting until this creepy ugly old fuck is voted out or retires. Patrick has hijacked the state senate and molded it into the most conservative legislative institution in the country. It truly is a horror show that the vast majority of Texans are either ignorant of or overlook on a daily basis. 
 

your average Republican state senator doesn’t acknowledge the existence of transgender folks, hates gays and minorities, and only respects you if you’re white with a 100K job and a family of 4 with perfect health. Why do I say perfect health? Because they supported the lawsuit to kill Obamacare all these years which would’ve stripped health insurance away from millions of Texans. We never expanded Medicaid which kept insurance away from millions of Texans. If this legislature was actually in charge of distributing COVID aid, they would probably tie it to property taxes because they wouldn’t want to help renters who “ live in sin” or anyone who would actually need the help.

I think most Texans don’t actually follow state politics closely and just vote R no matter what, but this guy is truly a monster who most people are oblivious too.

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I am in 100% agreement.
Legalize it.
Tax it.
Regulate it. 
Colorado sold $2 billion worth of marijuana in 2020.  The state ended up with $32 million in revenue.  


Everyone is so quick to say “tax it”. Why?

The government gets an immediate free boost in law enforcement productivity because they get to drop all work related to weed. The economy gets a huge boost with new lines of business, jobs, and the tax revenue that follows it. That should be plenty of incentive. This “tax it!” mantra is stupid. It’s a houseplant.

“Tax it!” is why there is still a black market in California.
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1 hour ago, Buzzrock said:

 


Everyone is so quick to say “tax it”. Why?

The government gets an immediate free boost in law enforcement productivity because they get to drop all work related to weed. The economy gets a huge boost with new lines of business, jobs, and the tax revenue that follows it. That should be plenty of incentive. This “tax it!” mantra is stupid. It’s a houseplant.

“Tax it!” is why there is still a black market in California.

 

I think because other "sins' are taxed.  It's just a status quo type of argument.

 

And, while I don't think I favor it exactly, I'm pretty sure that it's inevitable that it will be regulated to some extent by the FDA for labeling and medicinal claims, at least.  Hopefully, doobage products are not subjected to new drug applications or medical device-type regulation. Maybe USDA could do it with a lighter touch as with food labeling.

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40 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think because other "sins' are taxed.  It's just a status quo type of argument.

 

And, while I don't think I favor it exactly, I'm pretty sure that it's inevitable that it will be regulated to some extent by the FDA for labeling and medicinal claims, at least.  Hopefully, doobage products are not subjected to new drug applications or medical device-type regulation. Maybe USDA could do it with a lighter touch as with food labeling.

Yeah,  No way in hell It won't be taxed. 

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Pretty much, surprises are LA, OK, AR

Not a surprise. They’ve taken plenty of Texas money from gambling. Why not open up another revenue stream?

We are a dumb state. I’m surprised NM hasn’t gone and legalized fully. Cut into that TX revenue Colorado is getting.
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12 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yeah,  No way in hell It won't be taxed. 

And I agree that it should be.  Because while weed isn't so bad, other currently illegal drugs have tremendous addiction issues.  And drugs ARE a problem.  They should just be a public health problem, not a criminal justice problem.  So, to fund that public health effort (e.g., addiction treatment)....yeah, there should be some tax.

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52 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

I'm for taxing it wherever it's made legal, but I'll bet the taxes don't go to whatever they say they will.  

Reason 1,000,000.8 why I hate gov't.

um, you mean like right back in the pockets of the taxpayers like they did in CO? Quit parroting decades-old tropes. It just gets so fucking maddening. Good and responsible guvmint CAN work just fucking great, but we have to start electing the right fucking people. The Nuneses, the Boeberts, the fucking Marjorie Taylor-Greens of the world serve no purpose other than to hold us back. They don't represent progress and they certainly don't represent efficiency. Start weeding (see what I did there??) them out and we'll start seeing a better representative government that, oh I dunno, actually works like it's supposed to.

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5 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

um, you mean like right back in the pockets of the taxpayers like they did in CO? Quit parroting decades-old tropes. It just gets so fucking maddening. Good and responsible guvmint CAN work just fucking great, but we have to start electing the right fucking people. The Nuneses, the Boeberts, the fucking Marjorie Taylor-Greens of the world serve no purpose other than to hold us back. They don't represent progress and they certainly don't represent efficiency. Start weeding (see what I did there??) them out and we'll start seeing a better representative government that, oh I dunno, actually works like it's supposed to.

Gosh thanks for the civics lesson.  If the taxes are sent where they're intended to go great. Experience with gov't says otherwise.

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3 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Gosh thanks for the civics lesson.  If the taxes are sent where they're intended to go great. Experience with gov't says otherwise.

so let's not do anything about it and just bitch? no thanks, I've spent too much of my 42 years doing and watching others do that. it doesn't work. time to shake shit up

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1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

um, you mean like right back in the pockets of the taxpayers like they did in CO?

Yep. I didn't post all the charts and stuff, but it goes right back to the taxpayers - school construction, school programs, treatment/rehab, public services. 

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2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

so let's not do anything about it and just bitch? no thanks, I've spent too much of my 42 years doing and watching others do that. it doesn't work. time to shake shit up

I'm sorry, was I bitching ?  I said if taxes go to where they say they're going great, if not I have a problem with that. I'm also staunchly for legalization of weed.

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It’s an interesting, but very frustrating story to say the least.

every 2 years Texas veterans come to the state capitol with tons of empty prescription bottles that they use as props to show state lawmakers that these drugs are severely hurting if not destroying their bodies. Why can’t we legalize marijuana for things such as ptsd and chronic pain?  Mothers of children suffering from seizures come to the capitol and plead their cases. The testimony is always strong and overwhelmingly in favor of the people arguing for legalization. Usually in the committee part of the hearing where they let people give their input, it’s 20-25 citizens arguing in favor and 2-3 arguing against.

however, who does Dan Patrick always listen to and side with?   The rural Texas sheriffs association. The rural Texas sheriffs association keeps a fear mongering report from the early 2000’s where it states that marijuana will lower your IQ, significantly impair your brain activity, make you violent and aggressive.

these shithole little counties or Texas are run by racist pricks who just want to use the law to arrest minorities and score easy revenue for their struggling towns. In Texas, the rural counties win in politics at the expense of the big cities. It’s a weird and unusual phenomenon. We truly are a dumb state.

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10 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

It’s an interesting, but very frustrating story to say the least.

every 2 years Texas veterans come to the state capitol with tons of empty prescription bottles that they use as props to show state lawmakers that these drugs are severely hurting if not destroying their bodies. Why can’t we legalize marijuana for things such as ptsd and chronic pain?  Mothers of children suffering from seizures come to the capitol and plead their cases. The testimony is always strong and overwhelmingly in favor of the people arguing for legalization. Usually in the committee part of the hearing where they let people give their input, it’s 20-25 citizens arguing in favor and 2-3 arguing against.

however, who does Dan Patrick always listen to and side with?   The rural Texas sheriffs association. The rural Texas sheriffs association keeps a fear mongering report from the early 2000’s where it states that marijuana will lower your IQ, significantly impair your brain activity, make you violent and aggressive.

these shithole little counties or Texas are run by racist pricks who just want to use the law to arrest minorities and score easy revenue for their struggling towns. In Texas, the rural counties win in politics at the expense of the big cities. It’s a weird and unusual phenomenon. We truly are a dumb state.

well, that's an easy one: the GQP doesn't give two shits about the military or veterans. there's no money in it personally for them. but it does make for a nice campaign prop. seriously, though, fuck all of them

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22 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

Find a way to get it on the ballot. It passes everywhere that happens. Good ol boys like to get high too.

It’s already decriminalized in Atlanta. If Florida goes recreational then Georgia will follow quick IMO.

A bill passed the Texas house last session and Danny G crumbled it up and threw it in the trash when it got to the senate. 

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So here is just an example of a guy who is DEAD because of the dumbest most impossible war in history, Ronald Regan's War on Drugs.

How can you argue that the detriment does not FAR outweigh's whatever potential intangible  benefits the current law might provide. Texas man in possession of a Joint killed (dies) in police custody.

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On 3/17/2021 at 2:57 PM, horn4life said:

My wife new a nursing home administrator that left Texas for Oklahoma to grow weed with her husband and it seems to be working out so far.

As far as legalization in Texas the most effective thing that has been done so far is the legalization of hemp.  All you really need do is say your weed is hemp.  At least in Travis country. In fact something interesting to know is that the Travis Country Sheriff's Department had to get all new drug dogs.  Because they would signal on hemp and marijuana the same.  As the Sheriff's dept is not chasing weed like they used to.  Hell nearly all the cops think having it illegal is stupid, except for the racist ones that want to keep that tool in their abuse of power bag.

mmm... not really.  They changed the law to say something like "No sale of hemp flowers for smoking."  

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On 3/19/2021 at 4:27 PM, MC Fresh Breath said:

disconcerting and very disappointing. i'd like to hear a response from the WH.

there is some mention of 'national security' which i could maybe see at some point... but honestly not in this day and age. it's legal in DC and VA just legalized, it's not like it's an illicit habit anymore. 

what is their reasoning? i'm assuming there's an official 'condition of employment' agreement, which yeah, okay...my dad was an engineer (train) and he was only allowed a certain amount of alcohol in a time period when he was on the board; ANY amount of marijuana was fireable. same with a friend who was a mud engineer.

but those are physical high risk jobs. i can't imagine being a low or mid-level WH staffer is nearly as risky 🤨

i hope the blowback makes them provide a more detailed explanation, i'd like specific examples bc i can't possibly imagine the justification.

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everything is national security these days. See the Patriot Act.

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Just pondering . . .

Part of a me sees this lurch back to 20 years ago as a good sign for individual liberty in the future (not for the individuals who lost their dreams because they admitted to taking a toke in the past, of course).

Assuming he wants reform, Biden had to go right wing on the issue to earn his bona fides (he and Harris have LEO cred).

Biden can truthfully claim, "I have been one of the toughest and most conservative politician on drugs for past 50 years."

He can then say without hesitation to that audience "Now is the time a fresh look at science and eliminate programs and laws that do more harm than good. Classic triangulation. Biden taking the lead on same-sex marriage opened the door for progress on that issue."

TLDR: Biden has opening to legalize.

And remember, he has done it before. For same sex marriage, his call to end that dispute gave Obama cover to join him. He is a right-leaning centrist, after all.  They have some bad ideas about things, especially the stability of the status quo, but they have the brain power to listen and understand.  

I hope the thinktanks snap up all those staffers who lost their jobs. That was a damn shame.

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41 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

everything is national security these days. See the Patriot Act.

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Just pondering . . .

Part of a me sees this lurch back to 20 years ago as a good sign for individual liberty in the future (not for the individuals who lost their dreams because they admitted to taking a toke in the past, of course).

Assuming he wants reform, Biden had to go right wing on the issue to earn his bona fides (he and Harris have LEO cred).

Biden can truthfully claim, "I have been one of the toughest and most conservative politician on drugs for past 50 years."

He can then say without hesitation to that audience "Now is the time a fresh look at science and eliminate programs and laws that do more harm than good. Classic triangulation. Biden taking the lead on same-sex marriage opened the door for progress on that issue."

TLDR: Biden has opening to legalize.

And remember, he has done it before. For same sex marriage, his call to end that dispute gave Obama cover to join him. He is a right-leaning centrist, after all.  They have some bad ideas about things, especially the stability of the status quo, but they have the brain power to listen and understand.  

I hope the thinktanks snap up all those staffers who lost their jobs. That was a damn shame.

I believe the term you're looking for is pandering.

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17 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

At least we know Biden’s administration won’t go after states who legalize marijuana. We never got that assurance from the trump administration.

That ain’t enough. He needs to push the ball forward 

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2 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

at the risk of being stoned: is rawstory.com a reliable source?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/raw-story/

This story seems to corroborate the rawstory article, but without the histrionics. Basically the 5 people were terminated were applying for positions with a high enough level of security that the current federal laws could not be circumvented. My guess is they all had priors. Probably some bullshit possession charge or something, but a felony is a felony. At least that's how I read it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/five-staffers-fired-over-marijuana-use-white-house-says-n1261578

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Has New Orleans decriminalized?  You could get a contact high walking around in the quarter this weekend.  Someone was even smoking next to two cop cars and some emt’s in broad daylight when we walked through Jackson Square one day.

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8 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Has New Orleans decriminalized?  You could get a contact high walking around in the quarter this weekend.  Someone was even smoking next to two cop cars and some emt’s in broad daylight when we walked through Jackson Square one day.

Yeah, and the cops don't GAF either, especially in the quarter. You have to do something amazingly stupid to get the attention of NOLA police in the CBD area. They know not to mess with the cash cow.

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