So, back to that legalization thing

[Born to Run 6569]

Ya. Here’s another dispensary/outfit in south Austin.
https://texasoriginal.com/
It ain’t the cheapest, but it’s a step for the state. Hopefully once everyone applies and qualifies we’ll be on our way to rec.
In any event, it’s cheaper than a flight to/from XYZ state and you know it’s not black market stuff.

Thank you for this for others.

I'm a half a gummy for bedtime kinda guy some I'm golden. I blew my knee out in March and all my subs started giving me high quality weed as a pain relief strategy unsolicited.

I allegedly have a weed safe the size of a large briefcase full of weed all from legal states someone brought in, all from just dozens of homies trying to help out. Zero Texas taxes paid. it's available everywhere. The whole thing is so stupid. I'll end up giving most of it away as I prefer going to dispensaries and getting product that targets my ailments versus just getting stoned; I still get STONED, on occasion though. But really it's honestly relaxation and pain relief 95% of the time.

[Voldemort86 2259]

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/minnesota-governor-says-marijuana-legalization-will-be-one-of-the-first-bills-to-pass-with-democrats-in-control/
 

Minnesota isn’t messing around. Minnesota dems are signaling that full legalization is high priority. They want to strike while they have total control of state government. The statewide public polling is overwhelmingly in favor of legalization, it’s just the stupid GOP with sticks up their butts thinking they know better.

id be shocked if they don’t get it done. I know Minnesota is far away from Texas, but all Texans can do is root for other states / countries to end prohibition and hope the next crop of Texas GOP leaders aren’t as dumb as Paxton, Abbott, Patrick.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33870]

13 hours ago, Patricio Swayze said:

I want to thank and acknowledge Jester for providing links and info that can help people in texas.

However, the employer problem persists. And yes, those prices are more than street prices. I, if I were so inclined, can get 5 grams (not milligrams) for $100. From at least 5 people I know.

you're getting fleeced, homey. I pay on average less than $200/oz. Some less than $140. And this isn't ditch weed. And no, I won't be your plug.

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

you're getting fleeced, homey. I pay on average less than $200/oz. Some less than $140. And this isn't ditch weed. And no, I won't be your plug.

Not talking about bud. That is obviously cheaper. Allegedly.

[Voldemort86 2259]

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/mcconnell-brags-about-marijuana-banking-defeat-in-defense-bill-signaling-hell-fight-to-stop-it-in-omnibus-spending-too/
 

mcconell spiking the football on hurting the chances of federal marijuana reform. I’m sick of the GOP opposing literally everything except tax cuts for the rich and bombing Muslims.

[Anastasis 23469]

MJ should be legal for rec purposes, but if we are going to treat marijuana as a medicinal, it needs to be subjected to the same standards in terms of evidence-based medicine. An interesting meta-analysis below, but what strikes me particularly is that the sample size after aggregating data from 20 studies is only N=1459. WTF.  The scheduling in the US makes the necessary research challenging to execute. What ever happened with that component of Biden's EO?

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2799017

Abstract

Importance  Persistent pain is a common and disabling health problem that is often difficult to treat. There is an increasing interest in medicinal cannabis for treatment of persistent pain; however, the limited superiority of cannabinoids over placebo in clinical trials suggests that positive expectations may contribute to the improvements.

Objective  To evaluate the size of placebo responses in randomized clinical trials in which cannabinoids were compared with placebo in the treatment of pain and to correlate these responses to objective estimates of media attention.

Data Sources  A systematic literature search was conducted within the MEDLINE and Embase databases. Studies published until September 2021 were considered.

Study Selection  Cannabinoid studies with a double-blind, placebo-controlled design with participants 18 years or older with clinical pain of any duration were included. Studies were excluded if they treated individuals with HIV/AIDS or severe skin disorders.

Data Extraction and Synthesis  The study followed the Preferred Reporting Items for Systematic Review and Meta-analyses reporting guideline. Data were extracted by independent reviewers. Quality assessment was performed using the Risk of Bias 2 tool. Attention and dissemination metrics for each trial were extracted from Altmetric and Crossref. Data were pooled and analyzed using a random-effects statistical model.

Main Outcomes and Measures  Change in pain intensity from before to after treatment, measured as bias-corrected standardized mean difference (Hedges g).

Results  Twenty studies, including 1459 individuals (mean [SD] age, 51 [7] years; age range, 33-62 years; 815 female [56%]), were included. Pain intensity was associated with a significant reduction in response to placebo, with a moderate to large effect size (mean [SE] Hedges g, 0.64 [0.13]; P < .001). Trials with low risk of bias had greater placebo responses (q1 = 5.47; I2 = 87.08; P = .02). The amount of media attention and dissemination linked to each trial was proportionally high, with a strong positive bias, but was not associated with the clinical outcomes.

Conclusions and Relevance  Placebo contributes significantly to pain reduction seen in cannabinoid clinical trials. The positive media attention and wide dissemination may uphold high expectations and shape placebo responses in future trials, which has the potential to affect the outcome of clinical trials, regulatory decisions, clinical practice, and ultimately patient access to cannabinoids for pain relief.

Edited December 8, 2022 by Anastasis

[tx 3 putt 76958]

Oklahoma voting to legalize it 

[smokebomb 357]

 

9 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Oklahoma voting to legalize it 

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/oklahoma-recreational-marijuana-vote-only-a-month-away?_amp=true
 

Quote

Oklahoma recreational marijuana vote only a month away

By: Samson Tamijani

TULSA, Okla. — Voters in the Sooner state will decide if marijuana legalization should be expanded to recreational use for everyone 21 and older through State Question 820 on March 7.

As the date approaches, intense campaigns on both sides of the issue are trying to swing the vote.

“If you really care about your kids and about Oklahoma’s future then you better get out and vote on March 7,” Tulsa County District Attorney Steve Kunzweiler told 2 News Oklahoma Friday.

Kunzweiler joins a list of Oklahoma officials in the newly-formed Protect Our Kids No 820 coalition chaired by former governor Frank Keating, arguing that any marijuana accessibility hurts Oklahomans, especially if within reach of children.

“The practical aspect of it is that it’s just not safe for children, it’s really not safe for any adults. We don’t know enough about what’s being put in these substances. I don’t think the regulation has ever approached what they promised us," Kunzweiler said.

“It’s all money to (the cannabis industry). They’ll move on with their profits and they’re going to leave their carnage behind, and I have to deal with it.”

That’s not how Ryan Kiesel of the Yes on 820campaign sees it, and he says the data is on his side.

“Peer-reviewed studies have found time and again that children in states that have recreational marijuana, teenagers in those states – you don’t see an increase in usage," Kiesel said. "You don’t see an increase in access. That’s just not true. It doesn’t bear itself out.”

According to the March 7 ballot proponent'sdescription, SQ 820 offers to "protect marijuana use to all age 21 and older with limits and regulations", while designed to be self-funded with a 15% sales tax.

It also provides judicial process to seek expungement of a prior weed-related judgment.

“It will give law enforcement new, important, valuable tools to be able to go after illicit markets and illegal actors in the state of Oklahoma that they currently don’t have," Kiesel added. "Those are big changes with State Question 820. We’re going to be a more prosperous and a safer state if we pass this.”

The deadline to register for this anticipated vote is February 10. Some voters we spoke with like Kurt and Nancy, a couple from Broken Arrow, said they’ll they base their decision on the funds.

“I am for anything that will raise tax revenue for the state as long as the tax revenue is put to good use,” Nancy said.

A study led in part by the Oklahoma Cannabis Industry Association states that should SQ 820 pass, the state could earn $821 million from both medicinal and recreational weed sales over the next 5 years.

The debate on SQ 820 will be brought to Tulsa this Tuesday, Feb. 7. Local chapters of The League of Women Voters will host a free forumat the OU-Tulsa campus, open to the public and featuring leaders from across the political spectrum. The live stream can be found here.

 

[Bateshorn 9927]

On 3/17/2021 at 8:57 AM, Al_4_ISU said:

As someone living in a state that's straight up hell bent in not legalizing it, and only borders one legal state (South Dakotans voted for it, but their GOP controlled government is trying to squash it all costs), the states aren't doing a great job here.

But I kind of agree with your point.  My biggest beef with Obama is that he basically did jack shit on the legalization front.  I don't see Biden/Harris doing much either, beyond not actively fighting it, which even Trump didn't really do.  Yeah, Sessions talked a big game, but he was out the door quickly and Barr spent so much time with his lips fixed to Trump's ass that he didn't put effort towards it either.

I would be surprised if Biden/Harris push for federal legalization.

One of my perspectives about Biden is his administration in some areas is absolutely driven by his own personal views and passions. The Obama administration was a technocrat administration that also constantly tasted the wind of politics. Biden is much more likely to act in a way that is personal to the President. And this issue is a perfect example.

I think Biden personally hates the idea of legalization. I wouldn’t be surprised if behind closed doors he calls it wacky weed, Mary Jane, and marijuana cigarettes unironically.  And the best you’re going to get out of his presidency is quiet acceptance if Congress were to ever send him something with overwhelming majorities. 
 

OTOH, I’ll bet real money he commutes to life sentences everyone on federal death row before the end of his presidency.

 

[Texas73 420]

24 minutes ago, smokebomb said:

They’ll move on with their profits and they’re going to leave their carnage behind

Like other issues, they are trying to take us back to the 1950s.

[Voldemort86 2259]

2 hours ago, smokebomb said:

 

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/oklahoma-recreational-marijuana-vote-only-a-month-away?_amp=true
 

 

The voters of Oklahoma surprised me 4 years ago by passing a medical marijuana law that closely resembles recreational legalization status. Passing recreational will allow Oklahoma to make tons of money in tax dollars off citizens from states that border Oklahoma with overly restricted policies like Texas and Kansas.

I wish this was a slam dunk, but it probably isn’t. Republicans succeeded in voting down legalization in South Dakota, North Dakota, and Arkansas in 2022.

id love more than anything for Oklahoma to legalize and put a dispensary up near Winstar which is nearly all Texans anyway. That would piss off the loser drug warrior Texans like Patrick, Paxton, and Cornyn.

[Voldemort86 2259]

Another thing is this ballot initiative is th only thing on the ballot coming up in march. Will enough supporters show up? Will the Republican poll zombies waste their gas and time to go to the polls just to vote No on something that should be legal in 20th century America?
 

I can’t imagine going to the polls just to vote no unless I felt very strongly about it.

[Pescado_Rojo 19416]

It won’t be long until Texas is surrounded by legal states. That SHOULD be a wake up call to our state leadership, but instead they will do something stupid like set up DPS checkpoints on all roads into and out of the state where they will search your car for drugs and make all women take pregnancy tests. 

[Nivek 16930]

sure you want a gummy now, but next, you'll be out there sucking dick for lsd, giving up the ass for fentanyl, or getting high on PCP and mass murdering people with legally obtained rocket launchers.  

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

It won’t be long until Texas is surrounded by legal states. That SHOULD be a wake up call to our state leadership, but instead they will do something stupid like set up DPS checkpoints on all roads into and out of the state where they will search your car for drugs and make all women take pregnancy tests. 

Good people break bad laws.

[Bateshorn 9927]

21 minutes ago, Nivek said:

sure you want a gummy now, but next, you'll be out there sucking dick for lsd, giving up the ass for fentanyl, or getting high on PCP and mass murdering people with legally obtained rocket launchers.  

As one does…

[Buzzrock 14920]

sure you want a gummy now, but next, you'll be out there sucking dick for lsd, giving up the ass for fentanyl, or getting high on PCP and mass murdering people with legally obtained rocket launchers.  

Sounds like a nice little weekend.

[Nivek 16930]

13 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

Sounds like a nice little weekend.

You don't get it.  They missed church.

[Radical Larry 28619]

I wouldn’t say I’ve been missing it, Bob.

[Beau Vine 54230]

23 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

It won’t be long until Texas is surrounded by legal states. That SHOULD be a wake up call to our state leadership, but instead they will do something stupid like set up DPS checkpoints on all roads into and out of the state where they will search your car for drugs and make all women take pregnancy tests. 

Well, Sid Miller got re-elected, so I'm sure THC will be legalized any day now.

<snort>

[Guest]

23 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

It won’t be long until Texas is surrounded by legal states. That SHOULD be a wake up call to our state leadership, but instead they will do something stupid like set up DPS checkpoints on all roads into and out of the state where they will search your car for drugs and make all women take pregnancy tests. 

Meh.  That doesn't make me optimistic at all.

See also: Casinos.

[elfenix 34241]

Delta 8 may be on the chopping block.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/02/06/texas-veterans-delta-8-hemp-market/

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Delta 8 may be on the chopping block.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/02/06/texas-veterans-delta-8-hemp-market/

Hopefully that dickhead from Lubbock gets ass cancer. Fucking fascists.

[hayden_horn 11362]

ever since i quit drinking, weed is the way i get through my days. 

it's so much better and so much different.

but mostly, it's helped me in any number of ways. i won't get all new wavy on yalls asses, but it's had a massive positive effect on my anxiety, which can, at times, be fucking debilitating, if i'm honest.

i'm a much more responsible and productive human being using weed instead of booze. which is kind of fucking irritating, but that's neither here nor there.

it's a fucking joke that it's not legal. by itself, it would fund so much shit in this state, and the lege could actually find a way to cut our taxes oh wait lol

[bolverk 29672]

2 hours ago, elfenix said:

Delta 8 may be on the chopping block.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/02/06/texas-veterans-delta-8-hemp-market/

Let's hope they haven't heard of Delta 9.

[Radical Larry 28619]

Senator Perry can go fuck himself with a cactus.

[atomheartbevo 89668]

On 2/4/2023 at 10:20 AM, Voldemort86 said:

id love more than anything for Oklahoma to legalize and put a dispensary up near Winstar which is nearly all Texans anyway. That would piss off the loser drug warrior Texans like Patrick, Paxton, and Cornyn.

On 2/4/2023 at 10:42 AM, Pescado_Rojo said:

It won’t be long until Texas is surrounded by legal states. That SHOULD be a wake up call to our state leadership, but instead they will do something stupid like set up DPS checkpoints on all roads into and out of the state where they will search your car for drugs and make all women take pregnancy tests. 

At the bare minimum, they'll have DPS or the border LEOs with license plate scanners scanning every car coming in, and making sure they are flagged in the various databases that LEOs access, so that if you get pulled over for speeding in say Waco, Waco PD will see that you were up in that drug haven known as Oklahoma and you'll get some extra special attention.

[bolverk 29672]

6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

At the bare minimum, they'll have DPS or the border LEOs with license plate scanners scanning every car coming in, and making sure they are flagged in the various databases that LEOs access, so that if you get pulled over for speeding in say Waco, Waco PD will see that you were up in that drug haven known as Oklahoma and you'll get some extra special attention.

They're not doing that at the NM border yet (I don't think). Back in December, I got pulled over in Dalhart coming back from Colorado (tail light had gone out) and got away with just a warning and no car search or sniffer dogs. Maybe it just helps to be a middle-aged white guy. But, to your point, if you're traveling by car to Texas from anywhere else in the US, especially from the west (and hopefully soon from the north), you could plausibly be suspected of transporting legally purchased weed. It's going to be really embarrassing if Oklahoma turns blue.

Let's go back to the map:

 

Blue = Legal for recreational use

Green = Legal for medical use

Gray = Illegal

D = Decriminalized

[mchookem 16336]

damn. even the mormons have medical??

 

[bolverk 29672]

2 minutes ago, mchookem said:

damn. even the mormons have medical??

 

 

Surprisingly, or maybe not so surprising, the Mormon Church is apparently a more progressive institution than the Southern Baptist Convention of which the Second Baptist Church of Houston is affiliated and to which Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick belongs.

[Voldemort86 2259]

2 hours ago, bolverk said:

They're not doing that at the NM border yet (I don't think). Back in December, I got pulled over in Dalhart coming back from Colorado (tail light had gone out) and got away with just a warning and no car search or sniffer dogs. Maybe it just helps to be a middle-aged white guy. But, to your point, if you're traveling by car to Texas from anywhere else in the US, especially from the west (and hopefully soon from the north), you could plausibly be suspected of transporting legally purchased weed. It's going to be really embarrassing if Oklahoma turns blue.

Let's go back to the map:

 

Blue = Legal for recreational use

Green = Legal for medical use

Gray = Illegal

D = Decriminalized

Blue in 2023 for sure - Minnesota and Hawaii

decent shot - Oklahoma and Delaware

 

new Hampshire, Delaware, and Pennsylvania need to get on board so we can start working on the red states. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33870]

where the fuck is Joe on this? why not done?

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

where the fuck is Joe on this? why not done?

Lulz

[SimonBolivar 10958]

Just now, Patricio Swayze said:

Lulz

Yup

['stache 21815]

Just sat through a forum on Oklahoma SQ 820, with the Tulsa DA on the anti-side and an advocate on the other. All I hear from the DA is nonsense hysterics. The other guy was honest that there are negative externalities that are inevitable, but they are far less than alcohol, and far far far less than opiods and meth, etc., because a mj overdose alone isn't lethal. When the DA was going on and on about the costs of enforcing crimes related to mj, the other guy flat out asked how many domestic violence prosecutions have had alcohol involved and how many mj alone (the forum did not have rebuttal rules so no response). I could hear the mic drop in my head. I've yet to see anyone on the no side honestly address how mj is any worse than alcohol, and if they truly believe it is, why they aren't out campaigning for a new prohibition amendment on alcohol. 

On 2/4/2023 at 10:42 AM, Pescado_Rojo said:

It won’t be long until Texas is surrounded by legal states. That SHOULD be a wake up call to our state leadership, but instead they will do something stupid like set up DPS checkpoints on all roads into and out of the state where they will search your car for drugs and make all women take pregnancy tests. 

Until it's legal nationally, the rules would almost certainly limit purchases, through licenses or id requirements, to state residents. If a state resident buys and transports it across state lines, that's on them. If a dispensary sells to a person with a Texas license, the presumption would likely arise that it would be illegally transported across state lines. I expect the state marijuana authority to limit that risk, and y'all will just have to keep getting it from Oklahoma friends like now.

[Beau Vine 54230]

On 2/6/2023 at 6:07 PM, hayden_horn said:

ever since i quit drinking, weed is the way i get through my days. 

it's so much better and so much different.

but mostly, it's helped me in any number of ways. i won't get all new wavy on yalls asses, but it's had a massive positive effect on my anxiety, which can, at times, be fucking debilitating, if i'm honest.

i'm a much more responsible and productive human being using weed instead of booze. which is kind of fucking irritating, but that's neither here nor there.

it's a fucking joke that it's not legal. by itself, it would fund so much shit in this state, and the lege could actually find a way to cut our taxes oh wait lol

I literally could have written this exact post myself.

[Beau Vine 54230]

On 2/6/2023 at 5:49 PM, elfenix said:

Delta 8 may be on the chopping block.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/02/06/texas-veterans-delta-8-hemp-market/

[cactusflinthead 27598]

On 2/6/2023 at 6:07 PM, hayden_horn said:

massive positive effect on my anxiety

 

[Degenerate Gardner 4085]

On 11/11/2022 at 8:37 AM, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

you're getting fleeced, homey. I pay on average less than $200/oz. Some less than $140. And this isn't ditch weed. And no, I won't be your plug.

Economics in Oregon right now are a buyer’s market. You can buy at those prices, but there’s plenty decent available in the $40/oz range. And yes, dispensaries are still sometimes unloading $15 grams on tourists.

[4th&Five 41552]

 

[TexasHooch 5122]

What's the term for this kind of argument?  I know there is one, but don't remember.

[TexasHooch 5122]

Found it in the tweet comments: "Sunk-Cost Fallacy"

"the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial."

 

[Anastasis 23469]

7 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

What's the term for this kind of argument?  I know there is one, but don't remember.

Argumentum ad dipshit?

[tigol 2398]

What's the term for this kind of argument?  I know there is one, but don't remember.

Dumb ass shit? That the term?

Circular argument?

[atomheartbevo 89668]

4 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

Found it in the tweet comments: "Sunk-Cost Fallacy"

"the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial."

Rename it the "Putin Fallacy"

[Guest]

4 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

Found it in the tweet comments: "Sunk-Cost Fallacy"

"the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial."

 

[Pescado_Rojo 19416]

4 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Argumentum ad dipshit?

[Anastasis 23469]

DEA announced their position that d8thco and d9thco are schedule 1. Does not appear to impact d8thc derived from hemp. 

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

DEA announced their position that d8thco and d9thco are schedule 1. Does not appear to impact d8thc derived from hemp. 

Well, the DEA can go fuck nixon’s corpse for all I care.

Who I in their right mind would say either is schedule 1? Comical.

[Anastasis 23469]

8 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Well, the DEA can go fuck nixon’s corpse for all I care.

Who I in their right mind would say either is schedule 1? Comical.

I am still trying to figure out in what world coke and meth are scheduled as 2 and weed and mushrooms as 1.