So, back to that legalization thing

[Gil Bang 25921]

 

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33867]

 

[The Royal We 3067]

Wait.  So is this actually going to happen unless Biden vetos?

And throw this on the pile with the rest of the issues that my former party is on the absolute wrong side of...

[Bama Chick 28596]

Has Joe Prime Minister Manchin given a yes yet?

[Neonmoon 38129]

44 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

Wait.  So is this actually going to happen unless Biden vetos?

Did you major in Government?

[The Royal We 3067]

4 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Did you major in Government?

Lulz, how did you know?

I thought I remembered the Senate already passed something, but it was just that Booker and Wyden were working on something similar.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-vote-bill-legalize-marijuana-rcna22527

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Meanwhile, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., has been working with Sens. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., and Cory Booker, D-N.J., to craft similar legalization legislation in their chamber. Prospects for passing such a bill in the Senate appear to be low because Democrats would need all of their members and 10 Republicans to overcome a 60-vote hurdle needed to advance to a final vote.

 

[Willfully Horn 8002]

Call me a pipe dreamer (which is fair, due to my history, but hasn’t really applied since 2016,) but I think marijuana legalization would keep Congress blue.

[bluto 4913]

3 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

 

 

Maybe he misinterpreted who will lose the profits from legalizing weed (big law/prison)

[tx 3 putt 76873]

1 hour ago, Willfully Horn said:

Call me a pipe dreamer (which is fair, due to my history, but hasn’t really applied since 2016,) but I think marijuana legalization would keep Congress blue.

 

legal weed and throw out students loans = very blue 

[Foosters 17842]

On 2/9/2022 at 6:56 AM, Immaculate Vibes said:

How long can the hypocrisy go on?

Your post tells me two things:

1) You don't know the definition of "hypocrisy," and;

2) The article clearly states that 'crack pipes' are not included, so you either did not read the article that you're pushing, or you did, but felt like pushing disinformation.

In summary, stop being such a stupid fucking troll. 

[Firemans4Horn 18036]

Why not just pass a simple, clean bill (like what passed in Oklahoma etc.)? 
 

You’re never going to get bipartisan support when you start adding a bunch of federal social justice and reparation requirements. Let cities and states vote on that if they want it once it’s legalized. 

[DDD Dad 14326]

5 hours ago, mchookem said:

https://www.barrons.com/articles/marijuana-legalization-vote-cannabis-pot-stocks-tilray-51648813285

 

what are the odds? 🤔

We're more likely to have federally legalized cannabis before Texas legalizes it.

 

 

[Chooky 13307]

5 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

 

 

"If weed is legal someone might try to sell cocaine." 

[Pig Bellmont 8712]

There won’t be 60 votes in the Senate after some GOP senator filibusters

[DDD Dad 14326]

2 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

There won’t be 60 votes in the Senate after some GOP senator filibusters

Maybe. Are there not 10 R senators in states where it’s already been legalized?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33867]

Why would this require more than a simple majority?

[David Dennison 18851]

5 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Why would this require more than a simple majority?

It won't unless Republicans filibuster.

[Firemans4Horn 18036]

29 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Maybe. Are there not 10 R senators in states where it’s already been legalized?

 

There are but the MORE act contains a lot more language than just “decriminalize marijuana and expunge records”. 
 

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You’re not going to be able to get Republicans on board… the way that the MORE Act is done,” said Rep. Nancy Mace(R-S.C.), who introduced a bill last year that decriminalizes cannabis and expunges some records but does not create federal grant programs. The federal social equity efforts were a major reason for her “nay” vote on Friday. “You’ve got to have Republicans on board if we’re going to have any chance of getting it done in the Senate.”

For many Democrats, however, the equity grant programs are nonnegotiable.

“This is a major criminal justice reform bill,” said Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), one of the co-chairs of the Congressional Cannabis Caucus. “So negotiating that away — to leave [affected communities] behind — that to me is just immoral.”

In fact, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday went so far as to frame the MORE Act as a criminal justice reform bill. In her weekly news conference, she touted the criminal justice and economic provisions of the bill, and explained that the lack of similar provisions in the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act was one reason that it failed in the upper chamber.

 

The Senate — where Schumer, Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), are working on their own comprehensive cannabis bill — is even tougher ground for weed. 

Booker and Schumer have drawn a line in the sand on marijuana policy, refusing to even hold a hearing on a cannabis banking bill the House has approved six times because it does not address criminal justice reform. 

But Democrats’ pursuit of their perfect bill worries some pro-cannabis lawmakers and advocates, who do not see a clear path forward for sweeping drug policy changes under Republican leadership in either chamber — especially the Senate. Given that Democrats may not control both houses of Congress come January, the window for federal cannabis policy change may not be open much longer.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/01/house-passes-marijuana-legalization-bill-again-but-with-no-clear-path-forward-00022303?cid=apn

[Marcusshelton 86]

They are going to let perfect be the enemy of good, then Rs are going to get control, legalize weed, and Ds are going to be left holding their Ds again. 

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

Beautiful Clovis NM about to get a lot of Texas tourism.

 

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SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — New Mexico is bringing sales of recreational marijuana to the doorstep of Texas, the largest prohibition state, as the movement toward broad legalization sweeps up even more of the American West.

As of Friday in New Mexico, anyone 21 and older can purchase up to 2 ounces (57 grams) of marijuana — enough to roll about 60 joints or cigarettes — or comparable amounts of marijuana liquid concentrates and edible treats.

New Mexico has nurtured a medical marijuana program since 2007 under tight restrictions. Friday’s launch still represents a sea change for local law enforcement, taxation officials, commercial growers and residents who thought full-blown legal access to pot would never come.

At a Santa Fe dispensary, recreational cannabis consumers said they were thrilled to openly buy local pot and cut ties with the black market.

“When they legalized it here, I didn’t need my guy anymore,” said Devin Killoy, a painter and handyman in clothes speckled with white.

Antonio Rodriguez, a 38-year-old grocery worker, said he was content to pay new taxes on recreational cannabis: “I want everyone to be legit, even if it’s more expensive.”

Across the state, would-be marijuana farmers are bidding for water rights and learning to raise their first cannabis crops, as experienced medical cannabis producers ramp up production and add new retail showrooms.

New Mexico is among 18 states that have legalized pot for recreational use, with implications for cannabis tourism and conservative Texas, where legalization efforts have made little headway.

In Clovis, New Mexico, a high plains town of about 40,000 residents less than 10 miles (16 kilometers) from Texas, Earl Henson and two business partners have pooled resources to convert a former gun shop and shooting range into a cannabis store and companion growing room at a Main Street address.

“I can’t explain how happy I am,” said Henson, a former real estate agent who says his affection for marijuana was a burden in the past. This week, he began harvesting the first crop for a cannabis store titled Earl and Tom’s. “I think these cities that are near Texas, for the next two years it is going to change their economies.”

In the state capital of Santa Fe, marijuana is going on sale across the street from the city’s newly built visitors center on a block lined with galleries, clothing boutiques and restaurants.

LeRoy Roybal, manager of Minerva Canna’s downtown cannabis store, said he hopes the stigma of cannabis use quickly fades.

“I think we’re liberating a lot of hearts and souls,” he said. “It’s going to be like getting a cup of joe at Starbucks.”

Supportive lawmakers hope that broad legalizing of marijuana will stamp out black markets, boost employment and provide stable new sources of government income.

Consumers initially will rely heavily on supplies from 35 legacy marijuana businesses that took root over the past 15 years. Cannabis regulators have issued more than 230 new marijuana business licenses so far — to growers, retailers and manufacturing facilities for extracts and edibles.

Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham on Thursday said that broad marijuana legalization responds to popular demands and is generating small business opportunities.

“This is what consumers want,” said Lujan Grisham, up for reelection in November. “We have the potential for 11,000 more workers, jobs in places where young people can work and stay, like Torrance County and Texico and Tucumcari and Raton.”

Local governments can’t ban cannabis businesses entirely, though they can restrict locations and hours of operation. Public consumption is prohibited under threat of a $50 fine for first-time infractions.

New business licenses for cannabis cafes or lounges haven’t been requested yet — leaving people to indulge in their homes or designated hotels, casinos and cigar shops.

In southern New Mexico, Mayor Javier Perea of Sunland Park says marijuana retailers can set up anywhere across the small city flanked by the Rio Grande and fencing along the U.S. border with Mexico.

He said about 30 marijuana business have sought authorization in the city of just 17,000 residents, banking on tourism from nearby El Paso, Texas, and Ciudad Juarez in Mexico.

Perea hopes the industry creates economic opportunity and tax income to bolster city services. Local governments will receive a minority share of the state’s 12% excise tax on recreational marijuana sales, along with a share of additional sales taxes. Medical cannabis remains tax-free.

“The one thing that we are going to struggle with is we are going to run out of buildings” for new businesses, he said.

Legal experts warn that people who purchase cannabis in New Mexico and choose to return home to other states could risk criminal penalties, arrest and incarceration — most notably in Texas.

Paul Armento, deputy director of the drug policy group NORML, said Texas is among the leading states for marijuana-possession arrests, and that possession of marijuana concentrates, which are legal in New Mexico, is punishable in Texas by up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

Marijuana also remains illegal under federal law to possess, use or sell — a standard that applies across vast tracks of federal land and Indian Country in New Mexico.

New Mexico’s cannabis industry, still reliant on cash to avoid running afoul of federal law, is gaining access to banking services through an alternative certification system for credit unions and banks supported by state attorneys general.

The state also plans to underwrite $5 million in low-interest loans to small cannabis businesses that can’t access traditional credit.

Lawmakers in New Mexico have sought to reverse harm inflicted by marijuana criminalization on minority communities and poor households by automatically dismissing or erasing past cannabis convictions, encouraging social and economic diversity in employment and reducing financial barriers for startup businesses.

The state’s micro-business license to cultivate up to 200 plants for a flat $1,000 fee is attracting first-time commercial growers such as recently retired U.S. Marine Kyle Masterson and wife Ivy, a Hispanic Army veteran with business consulting experience. They are raising three children and making a mid-life career shift into cannabis.

The Mastersons, residents of suburban Rio Rancho, searched more remote areas for an affordable building to cultivate high-grade marijuana under lights, settling on a vacant former movie theater in tiny Cuba, New Mexico, at the base of the Jemez Mountains.

“It felt right, it felt good and out of a vision of what we could do,” said Kyle Masterson, who served in four combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. “We’re used to working out of austere environments without much direction and doing our best.”

 

https://apnews.com/article/health-business-texas-new-mexico-marijuana-f786a646543955f1db4a9e51cee79e8c

[SimonBolivar 10957]

5 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

Beautiful Clovis NM about to get a lot of Texas tourism.

 

https://apnews.com/article/health-business-texas-new-mexico-marijuana-f786a646543955f1db4a9e51cee79e8c

Sunland Park NM is about to bank! Also, this cant' be good for Trinidad, CO.

Edited April 1, 2022 by SimonBolivar

[Pig Bellmont 8712]

1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Why would this require more than a simple majority?

Because some asshole from a state like Utah or South Dakota will push his 1980s Nancy Reagan agenda and try and ruin things for the whole country 

[Hate 20106]

It’s 50/50 in the Senate. If every Dem votes for it, it passes. It’s as simple as that. Right?

[DDD Dad 14326]

52 minutes ago, Hate said:

It’s 50/50 in the Senate. If every Dem votes for it, it passes. It’s as simple as that. Right?

No. If it’s not reconciliation it needs to get past filibuster. 
 

I think. 
 

im not an expert on senate procedure. 

[Anastasis 23463]

5 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

There are but the MORE act contains a lot more language than just “decriminalize marijuana and expunge records”. 
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/01/house-passes-marijuana-legalization-bill-again-but-with-no-clear-path-forward-00022303?cid=apn

Highly functional governance. 

[Jim Ed Love 93]

6 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Why not just pass a simple, clean bill (like what passed in Oklahoma etc.)? 
 

You’re never going to get bipartisan support when you start adding a bunch of federal social justice and reparation requirements. Let cities and states vote on that if they want it once it’s legalized. 

Hardy, Har, Har..          Clean and simple bill like Oklahoma?    Lol fukin L. This State is so fuked with the law that was passed. Rushed through without much thought. The Pubs done it, they hold the majority in the Legislature and would receive no input from the Dems. As the law is it is wide open Dodge City. Daily take downs of illegal grow operations manned by either human slave Mexicans or Southeast Asians. Rural water and electric beyond overstretched and Rural Oklahoma is in revolt mindset. Current Legislation is trying to fix some of the problems but by the way the law was wrote only State voter repeal or Constitutional convention can change the law. Neither in which will happen.

Oklahoma, simple?  Don't fukin look to us unless you mean simple minded.

[Anastasis 23463]

Quite the world where we make plants and flowers illegal. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 2, 2022 by Anastasis

[Radical Larry 28566]

No. If it’s not reconciliation it needs to get past filibuster. 
 
I think. 
 
im not an expert on senate procedure. 

That’s ok. Neither are some of our senators.

[Jim Ed Love 93]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Quite the world where we make plants and flowers illegal. 

 

 

 

 

 

That's a pretty broad brush. Poppies? Coca? Jimsonweed Weed ?  Let it all be legal?

[Hate 20106]

No. If it’s not reconciliation it needs to get past filibuster. 
 
I think. 
 
im not an expert on senate procedure. 

Call me skeptical, but I don’t really think a Republican is going to filibuster this. I’m fully prepared to be wrong, but it just seems that the time is right for this to happen. It should have happened almost 50 years ago when Jimmy Carter was ores, but we still had too many “reefer madness” people around.

[Anastasis 23463]

1 minute ago, Jim Ed Love said:

That's a pretty broad brush. Poppies? Coca? Jimsonweed Weed ?  Let it all be legal?

 

Of course.  What do you have against plants? 

wrt poppies and coca I think that you have a problem the the post processing and not the plant itself. I don't think that the post processing should be illegal either. I like cooked spinach and don't have a particular fondness for raw.  Asparagus makes my pee pee stink which I find more offensive than most other plants.  

 

 

[Jim Ed Love 93]

9 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

Of course.  What do you have against plants? 

wrt poppies and coca I think that you have a problem the the post processing and not the plant itself. I don't think that the post processing should be illegal either. I like cooked spinach and don't have a particular fondness for raw.  Asparagus makes my pee pee stink which I find more offensive than most other plants.  

 

 

Lets plant poison ivy, poison oak, bullnettle,nightshade,and hemlock in ever street, flower pot and backyard. Noxious plants are controlled by law all over the world.

[Anastasis 23463]

9 minutes ago, Jim Ed Love said:

Lets plant poison ivy, poison oak, bullnettle,nightshade,and hemlock in ever street, flower pot and backyard. Noxious plants are controlled by law all over the world.

I'd rather we make mosquitos illegal.  Would be about as effective and probably with fewer unintended consequences. 

Edited April 2, 2022 by Anastasis
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[Satchel 6934]

6 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

There won’t be 60 votes in the Senate after some GOP senator filibusters

There just may be enough votes if Madison names names.

[Anastasis 23463]

1 hour ago, Satchel said:

There just may be enough votes if Madison names names.

 

[Anastasis 23463]

 

[Anastasis 23463]

 

[StassneyHorn 6574]

Ben Dreyfus’s telling the world he’s not a skullfucker is a little weird

[Chooky 13307]

9 hours ago, Jim Ed Love said:

Lets plant poison ivy, poison oak, bullnettle,nightshade,and hemlock in ever street, flower pot and backyard. Noxious plants are controlled by law all over the world.

Outlaw plate tectonics while you're at it. And prosecute anyone who neglects to control their crab grass. And ban Russian thistle. Tumbleweeds can wrap around your drive shaft. Nature has been ignoring our legislation for far too long. Time to make it pay a heavy price. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

23 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

 

 

What a tool.

[pyrohornIII 4814]

19 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

We're more likely to have federally legalized cannabis before Texas legalizes it.

 

 

I'm headed to Houston for the College Dems' convention with Beto as a keynote spkr.  What are the odds this comes up?  

[jw4381 3070]

Land of Enchantment legalized dispensaries yesterday. 

$1.88 million sold as of 8 pm last night. 

[jw4381 3070]

19 hours ago, Jim Ed Love said:

Lets plant poison ivy, poison oak, bullnettle,nightshade,and hemlock in ever street, flower pot and backyard. Noxious plants are controlled by law all over the world.

WTF is this? None of those plants are smoked for expansion of consciousness you fucking moron.

Wait, did I type that out loud?

Well if I did, apologies Mr. Ed. 

[Jim Ed Love 93]

2 hours ago, jw4381 said:

WTF is this? None of those plants are smoked for expansion of consciousness you fucking moron.

Wait, did I type that out loud?

Well if I did, apologies Mr. Ed. 

No, Fuck you moron.  That was a response to a broad based comment that laws make plants illegal--dipshit.   

[hobbes2702 13029]

23 hours ago, Jim Ed Love said:

That's a pretty broad brush. Poppies? Coca? Jimsonweed Weed ?  Let it all be legal?

Yes

[jw4381 3070]

Sorry, bro. 

[jw4381 3070]

$2.7 mil in sales total yesterday in NM. 

Edited April 3, 2022 by jw4381

[Anastasis 23463]

37 minutes ago, Jim Ed Love said:

No, Fuck you moron.  That was a response to a broad based comment that laws make plants illegal--dipshit.   

Under what rationale do we make a fucking plant illegal?

It is a plant. It grows in the ground and it makes flowers that smell nice. 

What is wrong with the brains of people that want to make nature illegal?

 

[Anastasis 23463]

Make concrete illegal. 

Or plastic. 

 

[Voldemort86 2259]

2 hours ago, jw4381 said:

$2.7 mil in sales total yesterday in NM. 

I hope the folks in New Mexico make a killing off Texans. I am all for anything that makes bathroom Dan, indictment Paxton, and hot wheels Abbott look bad.