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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

When does it ever happen, period?

Um. Lincoln to SC, Kelly to LSU, DeBoer to Bama...

It definitely doesn't happen a lot in MBB. It happens all the time in cfb. 

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Just now, Frank Drebin said:

Happy with the hire.  My understanding is the last two years at Xavier he had some pretty bad luck with injuries.

Freemantle got hurt during the 2023 part of the season and missed the entirety of 2023-24.

Traore was out all this year.  He was granted a medical RS, so he could can come with Miller to Texas

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4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Um. Lincoln to SC, Kelly to LSU, DeBoer to Bama...

It definitely doesn't happen a lot in MBB. It happens all the time in cfb. 

Lincoln had a chance to live in LA and leave Norman who wouldn’t do that?  He was also running from the sec

 

 I used to live in Seattle so I realize it’s a great place.  I’d never live in bama but for a football coach, bama is a much bigger program

 

Brian Kelly was returning to his home state

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6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Freemantle got hurt during the 2023 part of the season and missed the entirety of 2023-24.

Traore was out all this year.  He was granted a medical RS, so he could can come with Miller to Texas

 

Does Freemason have another year?

Posted
1 hour ago, HookEm said:

He has won 5 Pac-10 and 3 A-10 championships. 

The SEC has some good coaches, but I don't get the angst that somehow Sean Miller is middle of the pack.  

There coaches like Barnes, Cal and Pearl who will all likely retire within the next few years. Sean Miller is 10-15 years younger than Barnes and Pearl and already has comparable skins on the wall. And there are guys like Todd Golden that look good, but we have seen the wheels fall off young coaches before.

Here is how I would rank the coaches based on resume and runway (assuming retirement at 70-72):

  • Nate Oats (50) - 2 P5 titles & 10 tourney wins in 10 yrs coaching
  • Chris Beard (52) - 1 P5 title & 13 tourney wins in 13 yrs coaching
  • John Calipari (66) - 6 P5 titles & 59 tourney wins in 33 yrs coaching
  • Sean Miller (56) - 5 P5 titles & 21 tourney wins in 20 yrs coaching
  • Bruce Pearl (65) - 6 P5 titles & 17 tourney wins in 30 yrs coaching
  • Todd Golden (39) - 0 P5 titles & 2 tourney wins in 6 yrs coaching
  • Rick Barnes (70) - 5 P5 titles & 29 tourney wins in 38 yrs coaching
  • Mike White (48) - 0 P5 titles & 6 tourney wins in 14 yrs coaching
  • Buzz Williams (52) - 1 P5 title & 12 tourney wins in 18 yrs coaching
  • Mark Pope (52) - 0 P5 titles & 2 tourney wins in 10 yrs coaching
  • Porter Moser (56) - 0 P5 titles & 6 tourney wins in 21 yrs coaching
  • Mark Byington (48) - 0 P5 titles & 1 tourney win in 13 yrs coaching
  • Matt McMahon (46) - 0 P5 titles & 2 tourney wins in 10 yrs coaching
  • Dennis Gates (45) - 0 P5 titles & 1 tourney win in 6 yrs coaching
  • Lamont Paris - (50) - 0 P5 titles & 0 tourney wins in 8 yrs coaching
  • Chris Jans (55) - 0 P5 titles & 1 tourney win in 15 yrs coaching

I think it comes down to this for me, most of the pro-Miller people are glass half full while I’m glass half empty on this hire. I don’t necessarily disagree with anything being said regarding what he has accomplished and what he might accomplish here. I just think he’s on the back half of his career with a declining trajectory now that NIL has somewhat leveled the recruiting grounds. 
 

I think Miller will bring a much more enjoyable to watch style of play here and he will win more than Terry, Smart, and late stage Barnes. All of that can be true while also believing that the best he’ll do is 3rd in the conference and maybe one E8. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Lincoln had a chance to live in LA and leave Norman who wouldn’t do that?  He was also running from the sec

 

 I used to live in Seattle so I realize it’s a great place.  I’d never live in bama but for a football coach, bama is a much bigger program

 

Brian Kelly was returning to his home state

The point is that big names get lured away all the time in cfb. Obviously there is minutae with every hire - just like there was when Texas landed Beard. 

It's easier to maintain year-over-year results in cbb which is why guys like Izzo, Self, Coach K wind up sticking around for 30 years. 

There are also a LOT more schools where you can consistently contend nationally if you know what you're doing. 

Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, ztejas said:

The point is that big names get lured away all the time in cfb. Obviously there is minutae with every hire - just like there was when Texas landed Beard. 

It's easier to maintain year-over-year results in cbb which is why guys like Izzo, Self, Coach K wind up sticking around for 30 years. 

There are also a LOT more schools where you can consistently contend nationally if you know what you're doing. 

Beard left a shithole for his alma mater.   Look I love my school but not everyone is going to crawl on glass just to work here.  Kansas and bama aren’t bad jobs 

 

 

and CDC has lured big names away for our other openings. 

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i still hated and rooted against arkansas for nearly 20 years after they’d left our conference, and i’m going to do the same thing with shaka smart as long as that self righteous charlatan is still coaching college basketball. 

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Posted
7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The biggest what if question of Sean Miller era will be?

 

"What if Rodney Terry didn't blow the lead in the play in game during 2025 NCAA tourney?"

Maybe for idiot dum dums 

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Posted
1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

As of 2025:  Oats, Golden, Pearl, Pope, Cal, Barnes, Miller, Buzz, Jans, White, Gates, Vyington, Moser, Paris/McMahon

I guess we will just have to see what happens, but there is no way I would hire 70 year old Rick Barnes ahead of 56 yr old Sean Miller.  Barnes may literally retire this year.  And Pope + Golden have won a grand total of two tourney games each.  I can't put either of them over a dude with 21 tourney wins and 5 P5 conference titles who is still in his prime.  

College coaches are successful into their 60s - 70s. There is no real reason to take a chance on someone in their 30s -40s.  You can get a guy who is 50 with plenty of runway to still coach at a high level for 20 years, but who already has skins on the wall and knows how to run a major program.

The last 20 title winning coaches and their age (median is 54):

  • Dan Hurley - 49, 48
  • Bill Self - 58, 44
  • Scott Drew - 50
  • Tony Bennett - 49
  • Jay Wright - 55, 53
  • Roy Williams - 66, 58, 54
  • Mike Krzyzewski - 68, 63
  • Kevin Ollie - 41
  • Rick Pitino - 60
  • John Calipari - 53
  • Jim Calhoun - 68
  • Billy Donovan - 40, 39
Posted
42 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The biggest what if question of Sean Miller era will be?

 

"What if Rodney Terry didn't blow the lead in the play in game during 2025 NCAA tourney?"

Hopefully there will be none, but if there is, I think it will be Tommy Lloyd not entering the chat. Maybe he was contacted under the radar? Most of the big names floated were pretty unrealistic and people were obsessed with Will Wade... sheesh.

Posted
6 minutes ago, HookEm said:

I guess we will just have to see what happens, but there is no way I would hire 70 year old Rick Barnes ahead of 56 yr old Sean Miller.  Barnes may literally retire this year.  And Pope + Golden have won a grand total of two tourney games each.  I can't put either of them over a dude with 21 tourney wins and 5 P5 conference titles who is still in his prime.  

College coaches are successful into their 60s - 70s. There is no real reason to take a chance on someone in their 30s -40s.  You can get a guy who is 50 with plenty of runway to still coach at a high level for 20 years, but who already has skins on the wall and knows how to run a major program.

The last 20 title winning coaches and their age (median is 54):

  • Dan Hurley - 49, 48
  • Bill Self - 58, 44
  • Scott Drew - 50
  • Tony Bennett - 49
  • Jay Wright - 55, 53
  • Roy Williams - 66, 58, 54
  • Mike Krzyzewski - 68, 63
  • Kevin Ollie - 41
  • Rick Pitino - 60
  • John Calipari - 53
  • Jim Calhoun - 68
  • Billy Donovan - 40, 39

Pope is at his dream school.  Golden is a douche. Besides that why would they leave?  Sean miller beat Barnes.  

Posted
1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Beard left a shithole for his alma mater.   Look I love my school but not everyone is going to crawl on glass just to work here.  Kansas and bama aren’t bad jobs 

 

 

and CDC has lured big names away for our other openings. 

I don't understand what you're arguing. I already said huge splash hires don't happen very often in college basketball. That doesn't mean CDC or any other AD is incapable of pulling it off. Like I listed out they happen all the fucking time in cfb. 

Posted
8 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I don't understand what you're arguing. I already said huge splash hires don't happen very often in college basketball. That doesn't mean CDC or any other AD is incapable of pulling it off. Like I listed out they happen all the fucking time in cfb. 

People are bitching that he didn’t get a big enough name.   To me, he could’ve but this hire just makes the most sense.  Let’s not jimbo fisher this thing.  

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Debate question:  Is this more or less of a "meh" hire than Steve Sarkisian? 

I've become a huge fan of Sarkisian, but I recall I had a "well, okay, I guess so" reaction when Texas hired him.  Maybe right now Sean Miller is feeling a little like that.

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Just now, South Austin said:

Debate question:  Is this more or less of a "meh" hire than Steve Sarkisian? 

I've become a huge fan of Sarkisian, but I recall I had a "well, okay, I guess so" reaction when Texas hired him.  Maybe right now Sean Miller is feeling a little like that.

Millers resume is far better than sarks was

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Posted
3 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Debate question:  Is this more or less of a "meh" hire than Steve Sarkisian? 

I've become a huge fan of Sarkisian, but I recall I had a "well, okay, I guess so" reaction when Texas hired him.  Maybe right now Sean Miller is feeling a little like that.

To be fair, you should never trust an Armenian off the jump

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16 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Debate question:  Is this more or less of a "meh" hire than Steve Sarkisian? 

I've become a huge fan of Sarkisian, but I recall I had a "well, okay, I guess so" reaction when Texas hired him.  Maybe right now Sean Miller is feeling a little like that.

There was serious concern that Sark would not be able to elevate the program about where Herman had it. I don’t think there’s any question that Miller can get the program above where Rodney left it. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The biggest what if question of Sean Miller era will be?

 

"What if Rodney Terry didn't blow the lead in the play in game during 2025 NCAA tourney?"

We still would have hired Miller and then we all would have laughed when your tiny brain exploded 

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22 minutes ago, MrX said:

There was serious concern that Sark would not be able to elevate the program about where Herman had it. I don’t think there’s any question that Miller can get the program above where Rodney left it. 

Is it safe to say the pie has been stuffed? 

Posted
45 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Millers resume is far better than sarks was

yeah but sark was on his reclamation path and fresh out of nick saban’s school for rehabilitated wonder-coaches, whereas sean miller is leaving xavier after a totally “meh” second stint there, a stint which happened because a)he stopped being good and b)was involved in a major scandal at arizona. miller hasn’t proven much of anything in the “everyone can pay players” era. he’s just as risky as sark was, but with lower stakes.

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Congrats to Texas basketball on continuing to never winning titles! 

You act like we’ve never hired a championship caliber coach. He just fucked it up. Those don’t just grow on trees in basketball, expecting us to find a sure thing only 1 coaching hire later is asinine.

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According to Fastbreak, he missed 2 out of 10 free throws in a youth basketball camp.

He made up for it. I think he left Pitt as the all-time leading FT shooter in big east history.

Maybe it will rub off on our guys…
Posted
44 minutes ago, MrX said:

There was serious concern that Sark would not be able to elevate the program about where Herman had it.

To be fair, Texas being allowed to throw its financial weight around in a manner it would not previously (with NIL) is probably half the story.  It also helps that OU has finally hit a rough patch.  
 

In regard to bringing it back to basketball, if Sean Miller can effectively deploy NIL so that donors feel like they are getting value (like they are with football), it’ll go a long way towards building the kind of floor we need before we start dreaming on Final Fours.  

Posted
14 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

To be fair, Texas being allowed to throw its financial weight around in a manner it would not previously (with NIL) is probably half the story.  It also helps that OU has finally hit a rough patch.  
 

In regard to bringing it back to basketball, if Sean Miller can effectively deploy NIL so that donors feel like they are getting value (like they are with football), it’ll go a long way towards building the kind of floor we need before we start dreaming on Final Fours.  

"Half the story" is being generous to Tom. Sark has done a much better job building and maintaining an elite staff, recruiting the right players (not just trying to pile up star ratings) and developing players and coaching to a standard. 

It's not like Tom didn't have access to talent. He missed on a lot of guys and didn't develop worth a shit. 

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Posted
16 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Going to the Sweet 16 for the 3rd time in his 4 year career

You'd think he could draw up an inbounds play that doesn't take 4 secs to start developing then.  

Posted
16 hours ago, royiv said:

My point is that CDC benefited greatly from inheriting an athletics department that already had generational coaches when it comes to Patterson and Schlossnagle. He’s a fantastic AD, but he doesn’t have a big time track record hiring national championship coaches in the big sports.

This is Surly Horns, not Bitter Horns, and brother, you sound really bitter.  There were several coaches that I preferred over Miller, but let it go.  You're being a sourpuss.  But, I have a remedy, something to turn that fussy frown of yours upside down.
 

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

The biggest what if question of Sean Miller era will be?

 

"What if Rodney Terry didn't blow the lead in the play in game during 2025 NCAA tourney?"

nope the biggest question is going to be

"how many National Championships would we have by now if Chris Beard were still here?"

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