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  On 3/7/2025 at 12:47 PM, jimmyjazz said:

How about trying to NOT be a shithammered dick half the time?

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In all seriousness, I'm not a fan of Snyder, but he pretty clearly got entrusted with too big of a job too soon in his career and predictably flamed out quickly.  Mizzou was a really prominent program when he was hired; he was replacing Norm Stewart ffs.   And Snyder was a 32-yo (who looked young for his age) with zero head coaching experience (and really wasn't that high on K's staff for most of his years at Duke because he was working on his JD).  The Mizzou job was way too big for him at the time and it showed in his immaturity.  I don't think it's fair to still hold that job against him.  

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  On 3/9/2025 at 7:29 PM, cafe society said:

Can we just move on from Beard?  It's mind-numbing with all the choking jokes and so-called quips.  Low-hanging fruit.

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I would think they would be time for a new coach considering it looks like we had promised and then we just totally shit the bed.

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  On 3/9/2025 at 8:07 PM, Beau Vine said:

In all seriousness, I'm not a fan of Snyder, but he pretty clearly got entrusted with too big of a job too soon in his career and predictably flamed out quickly.  Mizzou was a really prominent program when he was hired; he was replacing Norm Stewart ffs.   And Snyder was a 32-yo (who looked young for his age) with zero head coaching experience (and really wasn't that high on K's staff for most of his years at Duke because he was working on his JD).  The Mizzou job was way too big for him at the time and it showed in his immaturity.  I don't think it's fair to still hold that job against him.  

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He has plenty to hold against him post-Mizzou.  I think we can do WAY better.

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  On 3/9/2025 at 9:04 PM, Sir Ulrich said:

Heres Lloyd calling out his fan base after the kansas game yesterday. Maybe it's not too far fetched for him to leave for a job like Texas.. 

surlyx.com/PHNX_Wildcats/status/1898576979902738709?t=TOlh3W2uGZoFTy67uSUCow&s=19

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And I'm not comparing our crowd to Kansas for the record. But his old boss Mark Few would likely have good reviews about the new environment at Moody. 

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  On 3/9/2025 at 8:11 PM, Red Five said:

Not a perfect analogy, but Snyder feels like a Sark-ish hire. 

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That's... actually not a bad analogy at all. Snyder peaked higher than Sark did as a college HC and has been a successful NBA HC but doesn't have the high-profile, recent college coordinator experience that Sark did coming in. 

Sark seems like less of a dick but most high-profile college basketball coaches are kind of assholes (not even "kind of" if we're being honest).

I'd be ecstatic if whoever Texas hires turns out as well as Sark.

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  On 3/9/2025 at 6:57 PM, Brandywine said:

Is there anything to the rumor about Bill Self being an option? Or is he just trying to get a raise? He makes Sark money already. 

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KU ain't giving Self a raise lol. This is maybe their worst team of his tenure.

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  On 3/9/2025 at 9:05 PM, Sir Ulrich said:

And I'm not comparing our crowd to Kansas for the record. But his old boss Mark Few would likely have good reviews about the new environment at Moody. 

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The crowd at McKale center is light years ahead of what Texas plays in front of. It’s just that the atmosphere at Allen Fieldhouse is on a whole other level. Can’t speak for Hilton Coliseum as I’ve never been to a game there.

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  On 3/9/2025 at 9:31 PM, royiv said:

The crowd at McKale center is light years ahead of what Texas plays in front of.

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Because the team fucking sucks. Texas didn't have atmosphere issues under Beard. The women's team doesn't have fan issues. And they both play in the nicest arena in the country. 

I don't think there's some gap that can't be closed between Arizona fan support and Texas. And there certainly isn't a gap when it comes to the type of teams that you can assemble. 

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  On 3/9/2025 at 9:31 PM, royiv said:

The crowd at McKale center is light years ahead of what Texas plays in front of. It’s just that the atmosphere at Allen Fieldhouse is on a whole other level. Can’t speak for Hilton Coliseum as I’ve never been to a game there.

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Zona fans and that environment always impresses.  Top 10.

Allen is the pinnacle. Always will be. 

Moody is a joke including the dead ball music / nonsense / whatever it is.

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  On 3/9/2025 at 9:36 PM, Wally Pryor said:

Zona fans and that environment always impresses.  Top 10.

Allen is the pinnacle. Always will be. 

Moody is a joke including the dead ball music / nonsense / whatever it is.

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McKale is a fantastic college basketball venue. I love going to games there. Pre/postgaming at a bar on University provides some top tier scenery.

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  On 3/9/2025 at 9:46 PM, MotownHorn said:

I feel bad for some of these guys ex-girlfriends. They must be calling her 10-15 years after the breakup still trying to get back together 

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Big “first person to view her instagram stories” energy 

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  On 3/9/2025 at 9:04 PM, Sir Ulrich said:

Heres Lloyd calling out his fan base after the kansas game yesterday. Maybe it's not too far fetched for him to leave for a job like Texas.. 

surlyx.com/PHNX_Wildcats/status/1898576979902738709?t=TOlh3W2uGZoFTy67uSUCow&s=19

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He's comparing it to the best arena in the country, and to a clear top 10 arena in the country.

I really don't think McKale is behind Hilton (and I'm obviously quite biased).  At least it wasn't when we played there, or the other handful of Zona home games I've caught.

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Gerry:

 

Texas basketball ...

Barring the miraculous, the end game is known. 

There are two very important factors to know with the likely coaching search upcoming. 

1. If the salary is needed to go to 7-8 million a year, that is on the table. 

2. If a coach has a large buyout, that is not likely on the table. It's not that Texas can't do it, but it's not smart money. 

3. What is a large buyout? Likely over 5 million. 

So, Texas is willing to invest 7-8 mill a year for the right head coach. That would mean Texas could invest 16-18 million a year all in (HC salary, staff salary pool and NIL). That would allow CDC to potentially bring in a HC with the staff and NIL to compete with just about anyone in college basketball. That is very good news for the Texas hoops fan base if it plays out that way. 

Rodney Terry's future when/if the Longhorns move on: 
South Florida has serious interest in Coach Terry, based on a conversation I had Sunday morning. I'm not saying he would be the hire, as this stuff changes quickly. But serious interest, yes. 

The college hoops coaching carousel ...

There are currently 16 jobs that have opened early on, with four already having made hires (Miami, FSU, Utah and SFA). 

Indiana, Virginia and NC State are the high-major jobs currently open. That list will expand during the week. 

That number could reach into the 40's this cycle, but is expected to fall short of last cycles extreme activity. Last years coaching carousel saw 68 jobs open and filled. 

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  On 3/10/2025 at 1:31 PM, BurntOrange&White said:

1. If the salary is needed to go to 7-8 million a year, that is on the table. 

2. If a coach has a large buyout, that is not likely on the table. It's not that Texas can't do it, but it's not smart money. 

3. What is a large buyout? Likely over 5 million. 

So, Texas is willing to invest 7-8 mill a year for the right head coach. That would mean Texas could invest 16-18 million a year all in (HC salary, staff salary pool and NIL).

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That doesn't make much sense.  $16M-$18M annual is on the table, but a one-time payment over $5M isn't?

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  On 3/10/2025 at 1:31 PM, BurntOrange&White said:

Gerry:

 

Texas basketball ...

Barring the miraculous, the end game is known. 

There are two very important factors to know with the likely coaching search upcoming. 

1. If the salary is needed to go to 7-8 million a year, that is on the table. 

2. If a coach has a large buyout, that is not likely on the table. It's not that Texas can't do it, but it's not smart money. 

3. What is a large buyout? Likely over 5 million. 

So, Texas is willing to invest 7-8 mill a year for the right head coach. That would mean Texas could invest 16-18 million a year all in (HC salary, staff salary pool and NIL). That would allow CDC to potentially bring in a HC with the staff and NIL to compete with just about anyone in college basketball. That is very good news for the Texas hoops fan base if it plays out that way. 

Rodney Terry's future when/if the Longhorns move on: 
South Florida has serious interest in Coach Terry, based on a conversation I had Sunday morning. I'm not saying he would be the hire, as this stuff changes quickly. But serious interest, yes. 

The college hoops coaching carousel ...

There are currently 16 jobs that have opened early on, with four already having made hires (Miami, FSU, Utah and SFA). 

Indiana, Virginia and NC State are the high-major jobs currently open. That list will expand during the week. 

That number could reach into the 40's this cycle, but is expected to fall short of last cycles extreme activity. Last years coaching carousel saw 68 jobs open and filled. 

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  On 3/10/2025 at 1:40 PM, Js1 said:

South Florida didn’t learn their lesson from the last mid ass Texas HC they hired? 

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Hey now, Charlie Strong took an 11-2 program and in only four short years he turned them into a 1 win program at a fraction of the cost a good HC would cost. Who wouldn't want to run that back?

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Going from one of the best up and coming coaches, having him die to cancer, then hiring Rodney Terry would complete one of the most awful years for a basketball program I've ever seen

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  On 3/10/2025 at 3:18 PM, Teryor said:

Going from one of the best up and coming coaches, having him hit his girlfriend and get fired, then hiring Rodney Terry full time the next offseason would complete one of the most awful years for a basketball program I've ever seen

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FIFY. 

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  On 3/10/2025 at 1:31 PM, BurntOrange&White said:

Gerry:

 

Texas basketball ...

Barring the miraculous, the end game is known. 

There are two very important factors to know with the likely coaching search upcoming. 

1. If the salary is needed to go to 7-8 million a year, that is on the table. 

2. If a coach has a large buyout, that is not likely on the table. It's not that Texas can't do it, but it's not smart money. 

3. What is a large buyout? Likely over 5 million. 

So, Texas is willing to invest 7-8 mill a year for the right head coach. That would mean Texas could invest 16-18 million a year all in (HC salary, staff salary pool and NIL). That would allow CDC to potentially bring in a HC with the staff and NIL to compete with just about anyone in college basketball. That is very good news for the Texas hoops fan base if it plays out that way. 

Rodney Terry's future when/if the Longhorns move on: 
South Florida has serious interest in Coach Terry, based on a conversation I had Sunday morning. I'm not saying he would be the hire, as this stuff changes quickly. But serious interest, yes. 

The college hoops coaching carousel ...

There are currently 16 jobs that have opened early on, with four already having made hires (Miami, FSU, Utah and SFA). 

Indiana, Virginia and NC State are the high-major jobs currently open. That list will expand during the week. 

That number could reach into the 40's this cycle, but is expected to fall short of last cycles extreme activity. Last years coaching carousel saw 68 jobs open and filled. 

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This is consistent with what I've heard and have tried to relay what I could on this or the other thread like it. Probably coming from the same place and they gave Gerry the okay to put it out there for us to consume. Unlike fears from various talking heads or posters on this site and others, the money behind basketball is aligned and believe, along with CDC, that Texas should be a powerhouse and it is time to get to gettin'.

  On 3/10/2025 at 2:23 PM, jimmyjazz said:

That doesn't make much sense.  $16M-$18M annual is on the table, but a one-time payment over $5M isn't?

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He's picking a spot there. Like in M&A, no one is going to let a million dollars kill a deal, but they'll probably let $3-5M north of $5M kill it. Anything above $7-$8M is probably legitimately off the table and the logic is sound. It's pure dead money. How valuable is that coach over the next one with very little to buy out? That extra $3-5M could go to landing a top transfer and a top 5 recruit.

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  On 3/10/2025 at 3:50 PM, closetojumping said:

This is consistent with what I've heard and have tried to relay what I could on this or the other thread like it. Probably coming from the same place and they gave Gerry the okay to put it out there for us to consume. Unlike fears from various talking heads or posters on this site and others, the money behind basketball is aligned and believe, along with CDC, that Texas should be a powerhouse and it is time to get to gettin'.

He's picking a spot there. Like in M&A, no one is going to let a million dollars kill a deal, but they'll probably let $3-5M north of $5M kill it. Anything above $7-$8M is probably legitimately off the table and the logic is sound. It's pure dead money. How valuable is that coach over the next one with very little to buy out? That extra $3-5M could go to landing a top transfer and a top 5 recruit.

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He followed up with this regarding that criteria:

 

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Okay well, Self ain't happening.

TJO seems reasonable.  I think Drew is a bit contentious with the fanbase. 

This would allegedly knock out Oats and Lloyd

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  On 3/10/2025 at 1:31 PM, BurntOrange&White said:

2. If a coach has a large buyout, that is not likely on the table. It's not that Texas can't do it, but it's not smart money. 

 

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what the hell does this even mean? the richest athletic department in the country isn’t going to consider any coaches with large buyouts because that wouldn’t be smart? on what planet? why does anyone listen to anything gerry hamilton says?

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  On 3/10/2025 at 4:41 PM, Derka said:

what the hell does this even mean? the richest athletic department in the country isn’t going to consider any coaches with large buyouts because that wouldn’t be smart? on what planet? why does anyone listen to anything gerry hamilton says?

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It means exactly what it says it means. They're not going to spend 8-15 million on Lloyd, Oats, etc.

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  On 3/10/2025 at 3:50 PM, closetojumping said:

How valuable is that coach over the next one with very little to buy out? That extra $3-5M could go to landing a top transfer and a top 5 recruit.

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what a nebulous, non specific statement, that’s addresses nothing in reality. so if nate oats and tommy lloyd have a higher buyout than ben mccollum then we’re just going to pass on those two for ben mccollum? and that’s going to pay off in the long run because instead of getting decades of a tier 1 coach we might get another tre johnson for 5 months? this shit makes zero sense whatsoever.

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  On 3/10/2025 at 4:42 PM, BurntOrange&White said:

It means exactly what it says it means. They're not going to spend 8-15 million on Lloyd, Oats, etc.

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then just keep rodney terry and come out and say, “we don’t give a shit about men’s basketball.”

i don’t for one second believe that Texas was willing to break the bank for chris beard, see overwhelming success virtually overnight, then wander through the desert with terry, only to say, “we’re not spending any money to get a top flight coach to replace RT.” gerry hamilton is full of shit.

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  On 3/10/2025 at 4:47 PM, Derka said:

then just keep rodney terry and come out and say, “we don’t give a shit about men’s basketball.”

i don’t for one second believe that Texas was willing to break the bank for chris beard, see overwhelming success virtually overnight, then wander through the desert with terry, only to say, “we’re not spending any money to get a top flight coach to replace RT.” gerry hamilton is full of shit.

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You sound like a pussy. Otz meets that criteria and he's a good coach. Billy Donovan doesn't have a buyout if he comes from NBA(if fired), big if's obviously. Just hire Scott Drew so you'll be forced to be a fan of his and we can all laugh at the mental gymnastics that would ensue.

As CTJ pointed out, would you rather spend 10-12 million on a coach buyout and not have 3-4 million extra in NIL? 

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CDC: “we want to be top 10 in every sport. that’s the standard………..unless it costs money to hire elite coaches, and in that case we’re not really interested in being good, or winning, or filling that $375m basketball arena we just built.”

yeah, because that makes sense. so on the one hand you’ve got chris del conte who has stated in no uncertain terms what our athletic goals are, backing it up with elite hires across the board, not to mention a $375 million dollar basketball arena, and then on the other hand you’ve got gerry fucking hamilton, who knows fuck all about anything, saying that a $5m buyout is too rich for our blood. 

gee, just a really tough call on who to believe.

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  On 3/10/2025 at 4:57 PM, Derka said:

CDC: “we want to be top 10 in every sport. that’s the standard………..unless it costs money to hire elite coaches, and in that case we’re not really interested in being good, or winning, or filling that $375m basketball arena we just built.”

yeah, because that makes sense. so on the one hand you’ve got chris del conte who has stated in no uncertain terms what our athletic goals are, backing it up with elite hires across the board, not to mention a $375 million dollar basketball arena, and then on the other hand you’ve got gerry fucking hamilton, who knows fuck all about anything, saying that a $5m buyout is too rich for our blood. 

gee, just a really tough call on who to believe.

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Generally when you're paying these buyouts you're asking your donors, who are also currently your chief funders for NIL, to foot that cost. It makes sense given the times. Especially considering schools are deciding not to fire coaches because buyout cost + still needing to fund NIL. 

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