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Posted
3 hours ago, Js1 said:

Sir, this is a Surly's - please be more insane. You also didn't mention Chris Beard once.

3/10 post. 

Chris beard is a guy I would bet on as opposed to against winning a national title here. The fact that we didn’t get Rick Barnes the 2nd now with better tourney performance is the saddest thing that ever happened with Texas hoops. 

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Also I meant to say my expectations for Texas hoops for a solid season is to wear white the first weekend (4 seed line or better). Miller has done that 7 times in his career 1/2 of which was at a place inferior to Texas. I want that 60% of the time and I will feel like the program is where it should be. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Also I meant to say my expectations for Texas hoops for a solid season is to wear white the first weekend (4 seed line or better).

Just to pressure test those expectations, here are the best coaches in the game and how often they have been a 4 seed or better in their last 20 years of coaching:

  • Bill Self - 19/20
  • John Calipari - 14/20
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  • Mark Few - 11/20
  • Rick Barnes - 10/20
  • Kelvin Sampson - 10/20
  • Matt Painter - 10/20
  • Scott Drew - 9/20
  • Rick Pitino - 9/20
  • Tom Izzo - 8/20 
  • Sean Miller - 7/20
  • Bruce Pearl - 6/20
  • Nate Oats - 4/10
  • Chris Beard - 2.5/10 (partial credit for 2023)
  • Mick Cronin - 3/20
  • Dan Hurley - 2/15

If Sean Miller gets a 4 seed 60% of the time, that will be absolutely incredible. 

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Sean Miller has a great mind for the game. I remember a few years back when both he and Archie were between coaching jobs they did a regular show I think on the Field of 68 channel where the two of them would just talk ball for a while and it was always an interesting listen.

I think he's a great coach and would be cool if he brought his brother in to be an assistant.

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Posted
34 minutes ago, HookEm said:

If Sean Miller gets a 4 seed 60% of the time, that will be absolutely incredible. 

Thanks for posting those numbers.  I think a lot of fans have no idea how often great coaches fail to land their team a truly high seed.

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Posted
38 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Just to pressure test those expectations, here are the best coaches in the game and how often they have been a 4 seed or better in their last 20 years of coaching:

  • Bill Self - 19/20
  • John Calipari - 14/20
  • -------------------------------------
  • Mark Few - 11/20
  • Rick Barnes - 10/20
  • Kelvin Sampson - 10/20
  • Matt Painter - 10/20
  • Scott Drew - 9/20
  • Rick Pitino - 9/20
  • Tom Izzo - 8/20 
  • Sean Miller - 7/20
  • Bruce Pearl - 6/20
  • Nate Oats - 4/10
  • Chris Beard - 2.5/10 (partial credit for 2023)
  • Mick Cronin - 3/20
  • Dan Hurley - 2/15

If Sean Miller gets a 4 seed 60% of the time, that will be absolutely incredible. 

Most all coaches have a ramp up and a wind down where they aren’t doing that. I’m talking about how you know he’s got it rolling on one end and how you know it’s time to move on with the other. Barnes did it 4/10 during one stretch at Texas but he had 2 other 5 seeds. That’s basically the standard I think we should aspire to at Texas. 

Posted
34 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Thanks for posting those numbers.  I think a lot of fans have no idea how often great coaches fail to land their team a truly high seed.

Seeds won't mean shit to our fan base.  Redo the numbers for elite 8 / final 4 appearances.

Posted
2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Shall we say the expectations are championship or bust?

 

We haven’t won one yet? Fire this scrub 

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Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Shall we say the expectations are championship or bust?

 

I think people can say that. I think it would be silly. We've never won a championship in men's basketball. IMO it's the hardest collegiate sport of them all to win a championship. 

Would I be frustrated if we made multiple Final Fours but couldn't win the whole thing? Yes, if I'm being realistic about myself, yes I would. But I certainly wouldn't think of the coaching regime as a bust. If Miller is successful enough to take us to multiple Final Fours, there's a decent shot I don't live long enough to see who comes after him. And I'd be fine with that. Ultimately I'd be very satisfied as a Texas basketball fan if that was my lot in life. 

Of course, we're going to see seismic changes in the collegiate athletics landscape over that course of time, so who knows what the future portends. There's a lot of money in that tournament. If the NCAA can't figure out a way to ensure its (as in the NCAA's, not the tournamet's) continued existence, another organization is going to try to take the tournament over. Specifically, an organization even more centered around the Big 10 and SEC than the NCAA currently is. 

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I didn't melt down when we got beat by 'bama in the 2009 football championship, and it's arguably harder to get to the final game in the NCAA tournament.  At some point you just have to be happy with the performance and take whatever happens.

I would like to see a ranking of "top 10" programs as far as NCAA seeds go over the last 25-ish years.  CDC wants a top 10 program, and I wouldn't be surprised if an average seed of 5 or so reached that bar.  Of course, I think he also wants a few moonshots in there where a 1 or 2 seed creates the actual opportunity to win the whole thing.

Posted
9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I didn't melt down when we got beat by 'bama in the 2009 football championship, and it's arguably harder to get to the final game in the NCAA tournament.  At some point you just have to be happy with the performance and take whatever happens.

I would like to see a ranking of "top 10" programs as far as NCAA seeds go over the last 25-ish years.  CDC wants a top 10 program, and I wouldn't be surprised if an average seed of 5 or so reached that bar.  Of course, I think he also wants a few moonshots in there where a 1 or 2 seed creates the actual opportunity to win the whole thing.

No, you just cried your eyes out like we all did when they interviewed Colt after the game....

Posted
2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

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So the whole remaining roster is being looked at but the two they want back most is Mark and Weaver?

Yes. Weaver is THE dog. I absolutely want him back. I think Mark can be really good in a motion offense.

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I don't know any rumors and don't want to start one but I've been wondering if whatever issues Mark had in Arkansas followed him to Texas?
It didn't seem like an overly close team this last year.  And he didn't really come on until the end of the year.

But if Miller wants him back, then  I guess there's no smoke or fire.

Posted
On 3/25/2025 at 7:16 PM, RGBIII said:

Miller is bringing the following from Xavier

Cohen-AHC/recruiting

Miller-Coach (not son)

Miller-Ops (son)

Reynolds-special asst.

Ah, nepotism. It better work or his ass will get his car keyed 

On 3/25/2025 at 8:23 PM, jimmyjazz said:

I sure hope you don't think I was advocating for Ivey over Miller.  I was trying to point out the differentiators between Beard, Schloss and the rest of the coaching world when they were hired.  I swear, people just want to bitch about nothing.

You're in the right place 

On 3/26/2025 at 2:09 PM, Derka said:

that’s a wildly optimistic projection for any coach, particularly one who hasn’t been to the elite 8 in a decade and who has never been to the final four.

He has a better resume than Rick Barnes, outside of his aberration of making one FF 22 years ago. 

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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, Funk Doctor Spock said:

He has a better resume than Rick Barnes, outside of his aberration of making one FF 22 years ago. 

lol no he doesn’t. 

edit: *especially* when you consider that all of miller’s best years came when he was doing his jackie sherrill thing. in that light he’s miiiillleeeesss away. barnes is top 10 in all time wins and is a future HOFer. Miller is a guy who’s never won consistently without cheating. they are not the same.

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Posted
33 minutes ago, Derka said:

lol no he doesn’t. 

edit: *especially* when you consider that all of miller’s best years came when he was doing his jackie sherrill thing. in that light he’s miiiillleeeesss away. barnes is top 10 in all time wins and is a future HOFer. Miller is a guy who’s never won consistently without cheating. they are not the same.

When Barnes was cheating he was actually doing worse

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Posted
23 hours ago, cafe society said:

You don't know what transpired that night.  He wasn't charged or tried.  The  cartoon black and white outfit he was photographed in was absurd.   I doubt you have much knowledge of Randi Truw nor care.  She was banned from every bar, club, restaurant and watering hole in West Austin because of her alcohol-fueled violent outbursts.  If Beard hadn't been UT basketball coach she would have faced a great amount of legal trouble.  
I realize that for many Surlies a man cannot defend himself if he is attacked by a woman, his only defense is to flee.  I am sick that I replied to your dumbass twat fallacy, and I want this whole chapter to go away.  

What in the fuck...............

He's a dipshit piece of trash college basketball coach..college...the only thing that contributes less to sociey is a pro coach...hes not buidling boys into men or curing cancer...hes fucking coaching college basketball! .it's not like he's actually truly contributing to society....or has some actual role that merits the stupidity of this defense.

 

HE FUCKING CHOKED HER YOU DIPSHIT.

 

This is the kind of stupidity that deserves to get run

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Posted
9 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

When Barnes was cheating he was actually doing worse

Was Barnes cheating?   I had heard that something was up when we were getting guys like Bradley and of course the Canadian pipeline 

 

Idgaf about Miller cheating.  You guys think Calipari wasn’t buying players?  Self?  Even K at the end 

 

Miller vs Barnes?  Barnes has one final four , miller does not. Miller has more conference titles and a better winning percentage 

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Was Barnes cheating?

@SL Xpress had some epic rants back in the day when most of us thought paying players was, at a minimum, unseemly for the genteel alumni of The University. 

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Posted (edited)

every program in every major sport has been cheating for forever. i remember typing something on TOS back in like 2009 when people asked if we were cheating. and i was like, “no, our entire secondary paid for their $5,000 worth of tattoos with money from their baby sitting jobs.” different programs just draw the line at different places.

thankfully barnes never embarrassed us by getting multiple level one charges, postseason bans, vacated victories and team/player records, or by hiring a recruit’s AAU coach as one of his assistants only to lose out on the recruit anyway, or by buying prostitutes for high school kids on visits, or by getting caught talking about buying players on an fbi wire tap, or…

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Posted
1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

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Something feels very out of whack if a backcourt that would be above average but presumably not top 2-3 in conference trio is taking up that much of a school like Texas's budget

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There's a clear assumption that collegiate sports is going to be able to honor the so called cap on spending the House Settlement would provide if approved.

Del Conte is saying the right things, "Texas is going to get out of the business of NIL and leave that to the corporate world who will be able to directly deal with athletes."

Gerry is alluding to it here that Texas will have a limited men's basketball budget since the lion's share of the money will go to football.

I don't believe any of this. Maybe it will last for a very short time but market forces are market forces and in this market players are going to be worth a lot more than what the House settlement is going to provide for, and I personally do not believe the enforcement mechanisms are going to either be adequate nor do I believe they're going to last. It's basically going to be up to each program to honor the House settlement to a degree I do not for one second believe all the institutions as an aggregate are going to comply with. I do not know how quickly UT as a stakeholder - and that's not just the administration, but the alumni base and the assorted people who have taken the initiative on NIL in ways I have been sitting on my butt - begins supplementing the pay from the school, but I have no doubt it will come about at some point. 

But we'll collectively pretend the House settlement is going to stick, and for the amount of time it sticks it will create challenges to what kind of line up Miller can employ. That much is true. 

Posted
1 hour ago, SL Xpress said:

There's a clear assumption that collegiate sports is going to be able to honor the so called cap on spending the House Settlement would provide if approved.

Del Conte is saying the right things, "Texas is going to get out of the business of NIL and leave that to the corporate world who will be able to directly deal with athletes."

Gerry is alluding to it here that Texas will have a limited men's basketball budget since the lion's share of the money will go to football.

I don't believe any of this. Maybe it will last for a very short time but market forces are market forces and in this market players are going to be worth a lot more than what the House settlement is going to provide for, and I personally do not believe the enforcement mechanisms are going to either be adequate nor do I believe they're going to last. It's basically going to be up to each program to honor the House settlement to a degree I do not for one second believe all the institutions as an aggregate are going to comply with. I do not know how quickly UT as a stakeholder - and that's not just the administration, but the alumni base and the assorted people who have taken the initiative on NIL in ways I have been sitting on my butt - begins supplementing the pay from the school, but I have no doubt it will come about at some point. 

But we'll collectively pretend the House settlement is going to stick, and for the amount of time it sticks it will create challenges to what kind of line up Miller can employ. That much is true. 

The house settlement doesn’t cap third party NIL, and schools like Texas aren’t planning to get rid of third party NIL when House payments start. 

Posted
6 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

The house settlement doesn’t cap third party NIL, and schools like Texas aren’t planning to get rid of third party NIL when House payments start. 

You and I are saying the same thing. Which is why I don't agree that UT will have a limited NIL fund for the basketball roster.

I'm saying some people seem to enjoy pretending that's going to be the case. I can't tell you how many articles I've read recently that talk about the unfair advantage the Big East is going to have because many of those programs don't field football teams so they can use all of their money on basketball if they want. 

All I can say is go tell Gerry Hamilton that. Well, I mean I can if I want to. All I'm saying is that's the message I'm responding to. You and I are on the same page. 

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