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  On 3/28/2021 at 4:05 PM, Js1 said:

This. I’m extremely unbothered by it. If Sark wins like he’s expected to, he’ll be a $10 million coach in a couple of years. 

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Also, jfc the begging going on in Lubbock is a little pathetic. I'm seeing companies offering him free shit for life. At the end of the day, the only thing we can offer that is substantially different (since Tech is ready to deify him) is the alumnus angle, which would be a big deal to most of us. We'll find out if it's important to him.

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Go all in on Sampson, he's built UH into competitor and looks primed to reach the final 4. Just a hunch that Beard is using Texas as leverage to rake in even more $$$ than he's already making. No thanks to Ivey, loved the guy as a player he played tough defense, but as a head coach he has zero experience to speak of. I constantly see Juwan Howard comparisons, but they're two completely different scenarios. Howard inherited a stacked roster, Ivey would inherit a roster decimated by transfers and players headed to the next level.

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  On 3/28/2021 at 4:35 PM, Bevo14 said:

fify

 

Also, jfc the begging going on in Lubbock is a little pathetic. I'm seeing companies offering him free shit for life. At the end of the day, the only thing we can offer that is substantially different (since Tech is ready to deify him) is the alumnus angle, which would be a big deal to most of us. We'll find out if it's important to him.

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come on man it is free marketing 101

when is the last time anyone other than a Dodge Charger/Challenger driver thought about Beef-O-Brady's?.....now they are local heros for trying to keep the coach and same with some random carpet cleaning company (not even CarpetTech)

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  On 3/28/2021 at 5:13 PM, Chad said:

Go all in on Sampson, he's built UH into competitor and looks primed to reach the final 4. Just a hunch that Beard is using Texas as leverage to rake in even more $$$ than he's already making. No thanks to Ivey, loved the guy as a player he played tough defense, but as a head coach he has zero experience to speak of. I constantly see Juwan Howard comparisons, but they're two completely different scenarios. Howard inherited a stacked roster, Ivey would inherit a roster decimated by transfers and players headed to the next level.

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Yeah this is a good point and the reason I would be hesitant with Ivey. He would seriously have to depend on assistants who know the college basketball recruiting and transfer landscape. 

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And I keep seeing people mention Howard having a stacked roster when he arrived at Michigan.

How Sway?!?!?!

His pg is an Ivy league grad transfer from Columbia in his 1st season with Michigan. His leading scorer is a true freshman. His most talented player Wagner is a sophomore and thus was in high school Beilein's last season. And of the seniors who are actual contributors this season, Livers and Brown (who comes off the bench), are the only two who contributed anything under Beilein. Part of the reason Beilein left college bball for the pros was because players like Jordan Poole and Ignas Brazdeikis unexpectedly bounced off to the league far before they were ready and left his roster obliterated. 

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  On 3/28/2021 at 5:13 PM, Chad said:

Go all in on Sampson, he's built UH into competitor and looks primed to reach the final 4. Just a hunch that Beard is using Texas as leverage to rake in even more $$$ than he's already making. No thanks to Ivey, loved the guy as a player he played tough defense, but as a head coach he has zero experience to speak of. I constantly see Juwan Howard comparisons, but they're two completely different scenarios. Howard inherited a stacked roster, Ivey would inherit a roster decimated by transfers and players headed to the next level.

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Juwan Howard had the good sense to snap up Phil Martelli when St. Joe's decided that they didn't care about basketball any longer. 

Also, your TV show looks terrible, and I can't wait to not watch it. 

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  On 3/28/2021 at 2:54 PM, Shaggy3.0 said:

We’re going to fuck this up, arent we?

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I can see where you get this opinion when you read this thread. There is some serious unfettered prognostication here and with out any facts or true inside information, it’s all just keyboard diarrhea.

Shaka to Marquette looked like smart admin move. I hope they planned the next steps prior to making it.

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  On 3/28/2021 at 4:39 PM, HookEm said:

I would say Beard has a top-5 resume at this point when you factor in his age. The fact that he is a Texas-Ex is a bonus.

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But does his style work at a place like Texas? It has worked at places where he can sell the chip on the shoulder little guy mantra. I think he's a great coach, but still concerned about it translating and not being a Shaka 2.0

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:02 PM, MonkeyDoughnut said:

But does his style work at a place like Texas? It has worked at places where he can sell the chip on the shoulder little guy mantra. I think he's a great coach, but still concerned about it translating and not being a Shaka 2.0

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Any style works if you recruit to it. Shaka styles don’t work because he has no style and recruits random guys he likes then makes up different styles every year. 

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Now I want beard just to watch the tech fans on here pretend they aren’t bothered by it. Fuck tech and that shit hole Lubbock. The only thing that’s good about Lubbock was banging the daddy issues chicks that go to tech and by go to tech I mean couldn’t get into to Texas so went to tech. Truth hurts. Suck a dick.

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  On 3/28/2021 at 6:45 PM, Newdoc said:
I can see where you get this opinion when you read this thread. There is some serious unfettered prognostication here and with out any facts or true inside information, it’s all just keyboard diarrhea.
Shaka to Marquette looked like smart admin move. I hope they planned the next steps prior to making it.

If they weren’t extending him, what do you think? This isn’t rocket science.


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if we put the full court press on Beard and he is even seriously considering turning down the job, then he's got to be thinking about staying at TTU for life. that makes this a bigger decision for him than some are making it out to be. this isn't just, "should i leave my current job for a different job", this is, "one of the best jobs in the country has come open and they are throwing all kinds of shit at me to get me to take it. if i turn this down now then what else is suddenly going to open up that gets me to leave Lubbock?" that's beyond just leaving one job for a different one- this could be a decision for his next 20+ years.

also, the fact that TTU has not announced an extension gives me hope that Beard in fact has been named the guy, and that we're  simply waiting until the first to announce it. 

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:04 PM, Rockethorn1978 said:

Any style works if you recruit to it. Shaka styles don’t work because he has no style and recruits random guys he likes then makes up different styles every year. 

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Well he had a style, that got him the Texas job. He chose to abandon his coaching philosophy upon coming here.

I wonder if that came up in the interview process. 

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:06 PM, Rockethorn1978 said:

Now I want beard just to watch the tech fans on here pretend they aren’t bothered by it. Fuck tech and that shit hole Lubbock. The only thing that’s good about Lubbock was banging the daddy issues chicks that go to tech and by go to tech I mean couldn’t get into to Texas so went to tech. Truth hurts. Suck a dick.

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Where the fuck did you get that idea.  It would be the worst thing possible for Tech basketball this side of the death penalty/ major sanctions.  I haven't read anyone saying it wouldn't fucking matter if Beard leaves.  It would suck tremendously.

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:26 PM, Machinator said:

Well, don't have to worry about Indiana competing.

 

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This has me a bit worried since in theory we should be going after similar candidates and I'm sure they made runs at some candidates on our list. Maybe they don't have as much money to offer after the 10 mil buyout, maybe the Texas job is a bit more appealing because of pressure, new facilities, money, and location like some such as Sam Vecenie have posited. Once Texas opened up maybe Beard told them no, knowing he had a more preferred option to leave for.

Comparing Woodson to Howard's situations feels kinda silly given context. It'd be interesting if poaching a former alumni from an NBA staff truly becomes a trend should we choose Ivey.

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:35 PM, slorch said:

Where the fuck did you get that idea.  It would be the worst thing possible for Tech basketball this side of the death penalty/ major sanctions.  I haven't read anyone saying it wouldn't fucking matter if Beard leaves.  It would suck tremendously.

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Frankly, the most exciting thing about getting Beard to me is the absolute meltdown we'd be able to witness.

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:37 PM, Teryor said:

Frankly, the most exciting thing about getting Beard to me is the absolute meltdown we'd be able to witness.

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You're worried more about Tech fans than the winning he'd bring?   SMDH...

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:38 PM, slorch said:

 

You're worried more about Tech fans than the winning he'd bring?   SMDH...

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I've been very open about the fact that I hate his style of play and I'm concerned about how many players he runs off every year. I am well aware that my opinion of him is much lower than almost everyone else here. I think there are better candidates who can win just as much that I'd enjoy watching more. I wouldn't be mad if we got him, since I do think he's a very good coach, I just prefer others.

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  On 3/28/2021 at 2:37 PM, Machinator said:

(Gerry Hamilton) Basketball Coaching Hot Board: Interview process underway

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Gerry on names that have received "chatter" but don't belong on a serious list as of today:

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He also followed up with an article stating Cal had no buyout. While this is still has a .01% chance of happening it is a lot easier to hit $8+ million with no buyouts to he or Shaka. Especially if they can get Ivey on staff and get some kind of financial assistance from Iveys buddies. 

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:35 PM, slorch said:

Where the fuck did you get that idea.  It would be the worst thing possible for Tech basketball this side of the death penalty/ major sanctions.  I haven't read anyone saying it wouldn't fucking matter if Beard leaves.  It would suck tremendously.

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i thought so natalie wood GIF

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:45 PM, Sir Ulrich said:

He also followed up with an article stating Cal had no buyout. While this is still has a .01% chance of happening it is a lot easier to hit $8+ million with no buyouts to he or Shaka. Especially if they can get Ivey on staff and get some kind of financial assistance from Iveys buddies. 

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I would be down with this just to validate basketball twitter squid

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:44 PM, Teryor said:

I've been very open about the fact that I hate his style of play and I'm concerned about how many players he runs off every year. I am well aware that my opinion of him is much lower than almost everyone else here. I think there are better candidates who can win just as much that I'd enjoy watching more. I wouldn't be mad if we got him, since I do think he's a very good coach, I just prefer others.

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And you are very fucking wrong in your analysis, especially with regard to player churn.  They know coming in he is going to coach them hard.  It is part of his sales pitch and absolutely a foundation of his teams' culture.  The transfers damned sure aren't shying away.  Neither are talented high school kids.

You want to hang your hat on 5* washout/ head cases who disappear when they don't get what they think they deserve?  Sounds like you should buy a Marquette shirt.

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:37 PM, Teryor said:

Frankly, the most exciting thing about getting Beard to me is the absolute meltdown we'd be able to witness.

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Yep. and then when they replace Beard, hire that guy as an assistant. Let's drag some nuts. 

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  On 3/28/2021 at 5:13 PM, Chad said:

Go all in on Sampson, he's built UH into competitor and looks primed to reach the final 4. Just a hunch that Beard is using Texas as leverage to rake in even more $$$ than he's already making. No thanks to Ivey, loved the guy as a player he played tough defense, but as a head coach he has zero experience to speak of. I constantly see Juwan Howard comparisons, but they're two completely different scenarios. Howard inherited a stacked roster, Ivey would inherit a roster decimated by transfers and players headed to the next level.

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Let's not forget Juan Howard had a much better college and NBA resumes as a player. He was a household name when he was hired, which makes it easier to recruit. I don't think Ivey would have that kind of a pull with high school players, most of whom probably never heard of him. The fact that he is loved by former players is not necessarily a strength as a coach. It just means it will be harder to fire him if he doesn't work out. The plan should be to stick with a proven HC. We can't afford to gamble any more.

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:49 PM, slorch said:

And you are very fucking wrong in your analysis, especially with regard to player churn.  They know coming in he is going to coach them hard.  It is part of his sales pitch and absolutely a foundation of his teams' culture.  The transfers damned sure aren't shying away.  Neither are talented high school kids.

You want to hang your hat on 5* washout/ head cases who disappear when they don't get what they think they deserve?  Sounds like you should buy a Marquette shirt.

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That's fine, that's just my opinion which doesn't count for shit. But he absolutely does have more transfers than your average program, and you can talk about how some of them couldn't cut it, but if that's true he does a poor job of communicating expectations. Most of all though:

 

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Mark few runs a system that demands perfection and limits turnovers and he recruits to that system and has done pretty well. If bears recruits to his system the right guy we will win big. And the transfers are part of the game now with the portal so I’m down for it.

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:44 PM, Teryor said:

I've been very open about the fact that I hate his style of play and I'm concerned about how many players he runs off every year. I am well aware that my opinion of him is much lower than almost everyone else here. I think there are better candidates who can win just as much that I'd enjoy watching more. I wouldn't be mad if we got him, since I do think he's a very good coach, I just prefer others.

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Who are your preferences ??

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Yeah Gonzaga O is so fun to watch. Love Few‘s system. He just picked up a 5 star. He’s rolling. 

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:49 PM, ShowMeALoss said:

plan should be to stick with a proven HC.

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As interesting as it is to speculate on Ivey + Beilein or Ivey + top shelf proven college assistants, this might be an opportune moment, given the budget blessing from Shaka’s “voluntary departure” for Marquette, to go down the “devil you know” route. 

Don’t believe Beard will leave Tech though, but I guess we will know Thursday. As for the rest of the “proven HCs” I’m sure all have some baggage but WTF. If you want to win, you have to play like every other winning program or don’t complain about losing.

 

 

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  On 3/28/2021 at 8:04 PM, LTtxfan said:

Who are your preferences ??

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I prefer Musselman and Beilein. I had been attracted to Altman too but the potential rape cover is definitely not a great look. Of the options we've gone over I don't see any as duds and it's definitely just personal preference stylistically. Obviously winning comes first but I don't see any of these just being fun to watch losers. 

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I’m still against the Bielein option Bc he’s old. I want someone to come in here and get it rolling for 10+ years. Him and Sampson are too old. Not sure they have it in them to deal with Texas for 5 years. 

And I can’t spell his name correctly, ever. 

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Yeah, with Beilein, we are looking at a new hire in 5 years or so. 

With Altman, he's achieving Barnes like success at a school that is equal to Texas stature wise and can match any money Texas throws at him.  Unless he just hates Eugene and wants a new challenge, I don't know why he'd leave. 

Since 2012, Altman has done the following:

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  On 3/28/2021 at 2:44 PM, BurntOrangeBlooded15 said:

I think Beard is out.  There’s not much we can offer him that he doesn’t have at Tech.  He’s got the definition of job security there, he’s going to get a statue built of him there and be in their hall of fame and he doesn’t strike me as a big city guy anyways.  There’s also no way in hell the Texas basketball coach will make more money than the Texas football coach and that’s what it would take to get him here. 
 

I think the only way Beilein comes is the guys is if they convince Royal to be a HCIW type deal.  Because of social media and the amount of information out, there’s 0 chance every basketball player/student athlete wouldn’t know why he left Cleveland and the situation that happened there.  With the way campus has been with the eyes and the fact that Shaka was a black head coach, you’d have to find a way to navigate that. I think bringing in Royal with him would ease some of that with current and ex players. Maybe I’m over exaggerating that but I don’t think I am. 
 

I still think it’ll be someone we haven’t seen yet.  I have some hope that we’ll pull someone out of nowhere like Vic with the women’s team. CDC did a hell of a job on that one with literally no one knowing what was going on. 

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Geno auriama 

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  On 3/28/2021 at 2:32 PM, Rockethorn1978 said:

I took a shit at the buddy holly museum once. 

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I broke my ankle in the parking lot of the Coliseum in 1985 attempting (unsuccessfully) to execute a gainer out of the bed of a pickup following an Iron Maiden concert, so this hits close to home...

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:06 PM, Rockethorn1978 said:

Now I want beard just to watch the tech fans on here pretend they aren’t bothered by it. Fuck tech and that shit hole Lubbock. The only thing that’s good about Lubbock was banging the daddy issues chicks that go to tech and by go to tech I mean couldn’t get into to Texas so went to tech. Truth hurts. Suck a dick.

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Who let this idiot off TexAgs

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  On 3/28/2021 at 5:13 PM, Chad said:

Go all in on Sampson, he's built UH into competitor and looks primed to reach the final 4. Just a hunch that Beard is using Texas as leverage to rake in even more $$$ than he's already making. No thanks to Ivey, loved the guy as a player he played tough defense, but as a head coach he has zero experience to speak of. I constantly see Juwan Howard comparisons, but they're two completely different scenarios. Howard inherited a stacked roster, Ivey would inherit a roster decimated by transfers and players headed to the next level.

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Given the extra year and how many players are going to be in the transfer portal, the right coach could completely turn our 21-22 roster around...

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  On 3/28/2021 at 7:17 PM, shadow_operative said:

if we put the full court press on Beard and he is even seriously considering turning down the job, then he's got to be thinking about staying at TTU for life. that makes this a bigger decision for him than some are making it out to be. this isn't just, "should i leave my current job for a different job", this is, "one of the best jobs in the country has come open and they are throwing all kinds of shit at me to get me to take it. if i turn this down now then what else is suddenly going to open up that gets me to leave Lubbock?" that's beyond just leaving one job for a different one- this could be a decision for his next 20+ years.

also, the fact that TTU has not announced an extension gives me hope that Beard in fact has been named the guy, and that we're  simply waiting until the first to announce it. 

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Sounds pretty close to accurate. I think it’s in the final details stage. Unless Tech comes with something incredible Texas backs away from, I’m looking forward to next week

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  On 3/28/2021 at 8:15 PM, Js1 said:

I’m still against the Bielein option Bc he’s old. I want someone to come in here and get it rolling for 10+ years. Him and Sampson are too old. Not sure they have it in them to deal with Texas for 5 years. 

And I can’t spell his name correctly, ever. 

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So much this. He didnt bail on Mich for another team in cbb, he bailed on cbb because he was sick of the roster churn and recruiting. Why the fuck would we hire a 68 year old dude that just quit his last college gig when we need a complete roster/program rebuild. I haven't even heard a quote from him that indicates he wants to coach cbb again, so I'm not particularly worried.  

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  On 3/28/2021 at 8:33 PM, Revolution512 said:

Sounds pretty close to accurate. I think it’s in the final details stage. Unless Tech comes with something incredible Texas backs away from, I’m looking forward to next week

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Yup. Rumored head coach for life extension and no announcement? It would be covered between every S16 game.  And even if they were finishing petty details for apparel and facilities stuff, they’d still announce it if it was done. 

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  On 3/28/2021 at 8:36 PM, Js1 said:

Yup. Rumored head coach for life extension and no announcement? It would be covered between every S16 game.  And even if they were finishing petty details for apparel and facilities stuff, they’d still announce it if it was done. 

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Well CDCs last hire maximized air time by being announced during the CFB final. Getting a huge name to the week of the final 4 wouldn't be out of his wheelhouse. 

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  On 3/28/2021 at 8:40 PM, Sir Ulrich said:

Well CDCs last hire maximized air time by being announced during the CFB final. Getting a huge name to the week of the final 4 wouldn't be out of his wheelhouse. 

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I meant Tech announcing an extension.  Think Texas will wait on the 4/1 date for the buyout to drop 

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