UT's next basketball coach - discussion/debate

[jimmyjazz 46470]

I'm not going to suggest it isn't prudent to aim for a higher-D1 established coach, like Oats or Lloyd, but at some point a lower profile coach has to get his first shot, and it often works out.  Chris Beard had a similar resume to McCasland before landing at Texas Tech.  Lloyd has been a head coach all of one year, following a long stint as an assistant at Gonzaga.  No doubt, he did a great job at Arizona, as Beard did at Tech.

We may not be in a position to be that picky.  I mean, I don't think I'd reach out to Tom Crean just because he's coached at three higher D1 programs and made one Final Four.  He's pretty much a spare, and that's exactly what we'd get. 

[Js1 85743]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not going to suggest it isn't prudent to aim for a higher-D1 established coach, like Oats or Lloyd, but at some point a lower profile coach has to get his first shot, and it often works out.  Chris Beard had a similar resume to McCasland before landing at Texas Tech.  Lloyd has been a head coach all of one year, following a long stint as an assistant at Gonzaga.  No doubt, he did a great job at Arizona, as Beard did at Tech.

We may not be in a position to be that picky.  I mean, I don't think I'd reach out to Tom Crean just because he's coached at three higher D1 programs and made one Final Four.  He's pretty much a spare, and that's exactly what we'd get. 

If McCasland goes and takes his first P5 program to the NCAA title game, sign ne up. Until then he hasn’t proven he can win at a program like Texas. So he beat Purdue at UNT in the tournament? Big whoop, Shaka beat Kansas. We know how that turned out 

[Loop 1604 227]

3 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

Y’all need to come to terms with us keeping Beard. That’s happening. We SEC now.

[MotownHorn 1828]

6 hours ago, Underdog said:

Calm down, everybody.  I have it on good authority that Jay Wright has been house shopping at Lake Travis, Westlake, Circle C, Pflugerville.  

Can you post the flight tracker data, please?

[Underdog 28868]

Doxxing is illegal at Bushwood, Sir. 

[Catdaddyhorn 3448]

13 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

also stop suggesting eric musselman, he sucks at coaching and anyone who likes him is stupid and doesn't know shit about basketball. 

When did this reverse in course happen? I thought you were a Musselman fan. 

[closetohumping 17547]

4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not going to suggest it isn't prudent to aim for a higher-D1 established coach, like Oats or Lloyd, but at some point a lower profile coach has to get his first shot, and it often works out.  Chris Beard had a similar resume to McCasland before landing at Texas Tech.  Lloyd has been a head coach all of one year, following a long stint as an assistant at Gonzaga.  No doubt, he did a great job at Arizona, as Beard did at Tech.

We may not be in a position to be that picky.  I mean, I don't think I'd reach out to Tom Crean just because he's coached at three higher D1 programs and made one Final Four.  He's pretty much a spare, and that's exactly what we'd get. 

Let's let the tier 2 and 3 schools be the proving grounds for lower profile coaches.

[jimmyjazz 46470]

4 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Let's let the tier 2 and 3 schools be the proving grounds for lower profile coaches.

You mean like Arizona and Texas Tech?  Or Baylor?  (Full disclosure:  I despise Scott Drew, but Baylor hired him out of Valpo.)

I mean, if we're being honest, Baylor and Tech have been far more successful than we have been for a while, and 'zona is damn near a blueblood.  Just because we pulled Beard out of Tech doesn't mean we can do it again with Oats or even Lloyd.

[ztejas 43741]

30 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

'zona is damn near a blueblood

Zona? No way. Unless you're handing out blueblood status to like 20 programs. 

There's really only 5 blue bloods - 6 if you still count Indiana. 

[ClubWhatever 12159]

There will always be a proven coach who will come here for top 10 money.  There’s no need to gamble. 

[jimmyjazz 46470]

2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Zona? No way. Unless you're handing out blueblood status to like 20 programs. 

There's really only 5 blue bloods - 6 if you still count Indiana. 

I'd put them above 20.  National titles aren't cheap, and they have plenty of tourney success beyond that.  Besides, I said "damn near".

My point, which I would hope was more obvious than it apparently was, is that high D1 schools with recent pedigrees superior to ours have achieved that success with coaches that didn't have the resume some of our fans think is required.

[jw4381 3131]

SIAP

Pitino's kid has UNM at 10-0 this year.

[ztejas 43741]

28 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'd put them above 20.  National titles aren't cheap, and they have plenty of tourney success beyond that.  Besides, I said "damn near".

My point, which I would hope was more obvious than it apparently was, is that high D1 schools with recent pedigrees superior to ours have achieved that success with coaches that didn't have the resume some of our fans think is required.

I understand your point and largely agree. You said something strange so I was commenting on it. Zona is nowhere near the top 6. They are then firmly behind Sparty, Louisville, UConn, Nova and I'd say Michigan depending on how you feel about some vacated fab five stuff. They're in that next tier of about 10 schools. I guess I'd have them 17-20ish range. 

Although maybe we define "damn near" differently. 

[jimmyjazz 46470]

5 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I understand your point and largely agree. You said something strange so I was commenting on it. Zona is nowhere near the top 6. They are then firmly behind Sparty, Louisville, UConn, Nova and I'd say Michigan depending on how you feel about some vacated fab five stuff. They're in that next tier of about 10 schools. I guess I'd have them 17-20ish range. 

Although maybe we define "damn near" differently. 

OK, it's not worth debating.  They're above us.

[ztejas 43741]

7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

OK, it's not worth debating.  They're above us.

I'm not sure if you've heard but so is Arkansas. 

[jimmyjazz 46470]

38 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I'm not sure if you've heard but so is Arkansas. 

I don't think I've advocated for Muss at all, so I'm not sure why that matters?  I just think it's funny that our current resident Hog thinks there's no way their coach might make the move to Texas.

[ztejas 43741]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't think I've advocated for Muss at all, so I'm not sure why that matters?  I just think it's funny that our current resident Hog thinks there's no way their coach might make the move to Texas.

I'm kidding. 

[MrX 744]

1 hour ago, jw4381 said:

SIAP

Pitino's kid has UNM at 10-0 this year.

He sucks. He already flamed out at a P5 program. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

4 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

When did this reverse in course happen? I thought you were a Musselman fan. 

i was joking. ive been wanting musselman to Texas since before surly even existed, and i caught a bunch of shit for suggesting him way back when. now that everyone else is finally on board i thought i'd talk a little shit. 

[Blotto 23677]

We might as well shut down the program if we hire that dude. I'd rather have Shaka back. 

Edited December 17, 2022 by Blotto

[shadow_operative 15932]

9 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not going to suggest it isn't prudent to aim for a higher-D1 established coach, like Oats or Lloyd, but at some point a lower profile coach has to get his first shot, and it often works out.  Chris Beard had a similar resume to McCasland before landing at Texas Tech.  Lloyd has been a head coach all of one year, following a long stint as an assistant at Gonzaga.  No doubt, he did a great job at Arizona, as Beard did at Tech.

We may not be in a position to be that picky.  I mean, I don't think I'd reach out to Tom Crean just because he's coached at three higher D1 programs and made one Final Four.  He's pretty much a spare, and that's exactly what we'd get. 

beard did not have a similar resume to macasland before taking over at TTU. Beard spent a full decade as an assistant coach/associate head coach at TTU (much if it under Bobby Knight) before going off to be the HC at four different places before returning to become the HC at TTU. in his one year at Little Rock before getting the TTU job he won 30 games (and this is the important part) with a team full of transfers. there's nothing on macasland's resume that compares to any of that.

 

vs.

 

they're not similar. 

furthermore, beard did all of that before getting the Texas Tech job, which is not what we're talking about here. this is the UT job, a top 5 job nationally (no more arguments on this after what Beard did here, he proved unequivocally how big of a job this is) we do not entertain low level defensive specialists who've spent five years being pretty good at pounding the air out of the ball, and who couldn't recruit Dallas if he brought Kenyon Martin and deaaron fox with him on every visit. 

we've seen what chris beard brought to the table, and while we won't be able to even come close to adequately replacing him (barring us actually hiring Coach Cal), we have to try to get as close to doing that as possible. hiring a no-name, 5'8" white boy former Baylor walk-on with zero skins on the wall and no indication that he can recruit or work the transfer portal at this level is not the move. let him go do what beard did at a school like Tech for five years and then throw his name in the hat. until then, acting like grant macasland is the type of coach we should be aiming for is insanity. pure insanity.

just go read the game threads from this year's loaded, balanced, exciting, 8-1 team under coach beard- everyone is still pissed off and complaining the entire time. how does this website reconcile that? everyone is pissed off at the product that chris beard is putting out with his top 10 roster, but then we all turn right around and say, "hey guys, we should really go hire this total nobody with a boring style who can't recruit inner city kids and who's never won anything as a low level HC to be beard's replacement here at Texas, a top 5 national job", with zero irony. come on guys. be better than that. this guy is a total non starter, and the comparisons to beard are way off.

[jimmyjazz 46470]

49 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

 

 

furthermore, beard did all of that before getting the Texas Tech job, which is not what we're talking about here. this is the UT job, a top 5 job nationally (no more arguments on this after what Beard did here, he proved unequivocally how big of a job this is) we do not entertain low level defensive specialists who've spent five years being pretty good at pounding the air out of the ball, and who couldn't recruit Dallas if he brought Kenyon Martin and deaaron fox with him on every visit. 

we've seen what chris beard brought to the table, and while we won't be able to even come close to adequately replacing him (barring us actually hiring Coach Cal), we have to try to get as close to doing that as possible. hiring a no-name, 5'8" white boy former Baylor walk-on with zero skins on the wall and no indication that he can recruit or work the transfer portal at this level is not the move. let him go do what beard did at a school like Tech for five years and then throw his name in the hat. until then, acting like grant macasland is the type of coach we should be aiming for is insanity. pure insanity.

just go read the game threads from this year's loaded, balanced, exciting, 8-1 team under coach beard- everyone is still pissed off and complaining the entire time. how does this website reconcile that? everyone is pissed off at the product that chris beard is putting out with his top 10 roster, but then we all turn right around and say, "hey guys, we should really go hire this total nobody with a boring style who can't recruit inner city kids and who's never won anything as a low level HC to be beard's replacement here at Texas, a top 5 national job", with zero irony. come on guys. be better than that. this guy is a total non starter, and the comparisons to beard are way off.

You know what?  It's the fucking weekend, and the LAST thing I want to do is get in an argument with the likes of you.  My point is valid -- it's impossible to know if a coach w/o P5 experience won't be amazing.  It often works out, and aiming for "experience" often limits the pool of applicants unnecessarily.  But you do you, we all know you will, I'm gonna have a beer and hang out with my wife.  Best of luck.

[shadow_operative 15932]

if i'm in charge of hiring the next coach, here's where i'm looking:

tier 1:

im moving heaven and earth to land a jay wright, billy donovan, or a Coach Cal. whatever they want from me, they've got it, whether that's a 10 year guaranteed contract, or it's a 3-4 year deal where they groom their own successor. whatever they want, they got it. 

tier 2:

if i can't persuade any of those guys then my next guy is (obviously) musselman. ive been publicly pining for him to coach at Texas for years, and i don't think i need to explain why any longer. with that said, i think that most of the tier two coaches (Muss, Oats, Lloyd, etc) will use this situation to get a raise at their current gig. i'd even make someone like tony bennett hear me out before moving on, but still, i think it's most likely that this group of coaches gets their standard raise and stays where they are.

 

tier 3:

now i'm looking at good, established cbb coaches who probably have a rick barnes type ceiling. i'm talking mick cronin (a barnes clone who was my guy before musselman was), chris holtman, randy bennett, etc. these guys aren't sexy, and i have serious questions about their ability to recruit at a barnes/smart/beard level, but basketball-wise we should be fine.

 

tier 4: Texas should never find themselves settling for a tier 4 coach, but if we somehow did get to this level of the discount barrel, i'd be looking for the next tommy lloyd- an offensive minded coach who apprenticed under an established tier 1 coach for a long time. if such a person even exists, i don't know. but if we're down here this far then that's what i'm looking for. another archetype i would consider would be a young, former NCAA basketball player who's been an assistant somewhere the last several years, with either a high d-1 school or in the nba/g league, and who could presumably recruit well given their status as a young, probably-black, former ncaa stud. even if they had no long term plans of staying at Texas, this is where i'd be looking.

tier 5:

this is where we find the grant mccasland's of the world, and i'd pretty much rather find a new job for myself than have my name attached to this type of hire. if i we're going to hire someone from this tier it would probably be chris jans, who seems to be a better, more proven tier 5 HC than mccasland. but again, i'd rather find myself a new job than hire either of these guys to succeed chris beard at Texas. 

Edited December 17, 2022 by shadow_operative

[MrX 744]

I mean, Cal isn’t leaving Kentucky voluntarily so let’s move on. 
 

Donovan would be choice A. But he’s been out of the college game for a while - can he build a team out of the portal?  I mean fuck it and find out. The Bulls stink. 
 

I hate Sean Miller but if we’re head hunting he’d be on the list right. 

[ClubWhatever 12159]

I think DelConte has already shown that he will target coaches who have a track record of sustained success at this level.  (I am not sure that Sark is an exception since that hire appeared to be driven from above him.)   I don't think you have to worry about him hiring Grant McCasland at this stage in his career.  Maybe I will be eating my words in 5 months, but personally I am not worried about a scenario like that.

[shadow_operative 15932]

there actually are plenty of reasons that Cal would conceivably leave UK for Texas, but doing a little digging just now it appears that he has a hilariously huge $48M buyout. so yeah, he ain't an option. 

[MrX 744]

14 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

there actually are plenty of reasons that Cal would conceivably leave UK for Texas, but doing a little digging just now it appears that he has a hilariously huge $48M buyout. so yeah, he ain't an option. 

The guy got sideways with the AD because of Mark Stoops roughly six weeks ago. He’s going to come to Texas where the program is going to play second fiddle to football no matter what?  Not a chance. And if he’d come I’m guessing Texas would find the 50 mill. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

13 minutes ago, MrX said:

The guy got sideways with the AD because of Mark Stoops roughly six weeks ago. He’s going to come to Texas where the program is going to play second fiddle to football no matter what?  Not a chance. And if he’d come I’m guessing Texas would find the 50 mill. 

as you've already seen in this thread, he's a guy who's perceived by some as an underachiever, or as a disappointing coach over recent years, despite the fact that he's still one of the best/most successful coaches in the country. BBN has stupid expectations, and they get restless when they aren't making the FF every year. his level of success at KY has gotten stale to some.

so the angle is that he could leave Lexington, KY for Austin, we'd obviously have to be paying him something obscene, he's got The Moody Center to play in, and he absolutely would have a chance to win a national title here. he's been at UK forever and he's won a title there. some guys want one last big challenge before they retire, and when you consider all of the perks of being the HC at Texas, it's absolutely plausible (though not probable) that Coach Cal could leave Kentucky for Texas. this is probably the only job i could see him even considering leaving UK for, but i could see it, as unlikely as it would be.

Edited December 17, 2022 by shadow_operative

[shadow_operative 15932]

another tier 3 coach (for me) would be The Mayor Fred Hoiberg. he was awesome at ISU where he killed it with transfers years before the portal existed. i'm certain we could get him from Nebraska, and there's actual reason to believe that he could have a college coaching renaissance if given everything that Texas has to offer. his teams at ISU were tough, but they were also competent offensively. i think as part of me considering him as our next HC i'd insist that one of his top assistants be an ace recruiter from a short list of selected guys. if he recruited well then i think he could really do well here.

Edited December 17, 2022 by shadow_operative

[ztejas 43741]

Pretty much no one wants Calipari but you (Derka). Dude is trending towards washed and like you realized the capital required to get him on campus would be ridiculous. The fact that he's won one title at UK with 8 billion first round draft picks doesn't make me excited at the prospect of paying him 9 figures at 63 years old to take over Texas. 

I brought up Donovan on a whim. Like @Pancho said - and like I was already thinking when I typed the idea - he probably has little desire to return to college. 

Don't even mention fucks like Fred Hoiberg. That would be a disaster. If/when Beard gets canned let's just go snag Musselman for 5/32M and call it a day. I think all of us are overcomplicating things here. 

Edited December 17, 2022 by ztejas

[Lowcountry Hog 266]

If Donovan can be pried away, that has to be the play.  My pipe dream was him flaming out at OKC and then coming to Arkansas, but alas that didn't happen and we hung on to Mike Anderson for too long.  

[shadow_operative 15932]

[Dbeasy 15224]

On 12/15/2022 at 11:17 AM, closetohumping said:

What I’ve heard was Barnes was asked to fire his coaches and he refused to do so

This is not why Barnes was let go. 

[ClubWhatever 12159]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

This is not why Barnes was let go. 

Going 35-37 in Big12 games his last 4 years with 1 tournament win certainly didn’t help.  Now you can tell us about coeds or some shit. 

[Herpa Derpa 6158]

11 hours ago, MrX said:

Donovan would be choice A. But he’s been out of the college game for a while - can he build a team out of the portal?  I mean fuck it and find out. The Bulls stink. 

IMO, the portal makes the transition from Pro to College basketball much more manageable. The portal has essentially created free agency in the college game. The difference in building a college team vs. a pro team in basketball is no longer that much a gap. Particularly with the low number of players per team, you are essentially operating in the same manner in putting together a "new" team every offseason. Identify your squad deficiencies, identify the free agent/portal options that fit the missing pieces, and make a contract/NIL offer to convince them to pick you. A school like Texas is going to offer top level NIL, and there will never be a concern about "payroll".  The only real difference is the college coach has to also take on the GM role, but someone like Donovan would already be familiar with that dynamic. Not to mention that if you're coaching at a nationally recognized program, fighting for the HS studs doesn't require as much work to get in the door. Shaka proved that even a shit coach can bring in NBA 1&D because the brand is that strong. A pitch that includes coaching from a former NBA coach that can help you get to the League will always be heard by AAU stars.

[troph 24922]

Yeah the portal and NIL along with lowered expectations makes Texas a top 10 if not top 5 pick. 

[Dbeasy 15224]

3 hours ago, ClubWhatever said:

Going 35-37 in Big12 games his last 4 years with 1 tournament win certainly didn’t help.  Now you can tell us about coeds or some shit. 

It wasn’t coaching related. I’ll leave it at that. If you Google Barnes and YouTube, he talks about his issues. 

[jimmyjazz 46470]

12 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

It wasn’t coaching related. I’ll leave it at that. If you Google Barnes and YouTube, he talks about his issues. 

You could just provide the link.

[Macklemore 2881]

On 12/16/2022 at 3:07 AM, shadow_operative said:

also stop suggesting eric musselman, he sucks at coaching and anyone who likes him is stupid and doesn't know shit about basketball. 

Nm. Derka was joking about hating Muss

Edited December 17, 2022 by Macklemore

[shadow_operative 15932]

14 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

You know what?  It's the fucking weekend, and the LAST thing I want to do is get in an argument with the likes of you.  My point is valid -- it's impossible to know if a coach w/o P5 experience won't be amazing.  It often works out, and aiming for "experience" often limits the pool of applicants unnecessarily.  But you do you, we all know you will, I'm gonna have a beer and hang out with my wife.  Best of luck.

lmao, how many times are you going to do this routine where you storm off in a huff talking shit to me about how terrible i am when it's you who is in here being wildly dramatic and hypersensitive. but uh, good luck with the mental breakdown not ruining int your awesome weekend.

and ftr no, your point is not valid, and hiring grant mccasland is a terrible idea that should never have been suggested in the first place. 

10 minutes ago, Macklemore said:

Didn’t you used to ride Muss’ jock when he was at Nevada and talking about him as a replacement for Shaka. Agree that he is a downgrade from Beard but he doesn’t suck.

yeah i was joking. 

[jimmyjazz 46470]

1 minute ago, shadow_operative said:

and ftr no, your point is not valid, and hiring grant mccasland is a terrible idea that should never have been suggested in the first place. 

LOL, the evidence is right in front of your face.  Chris Beard, Tommy Lloyd, Nate Oats.  None had P5 head coaching experience when hired by . . . wait for it . . . P5 schools . . . and then all had success in their first P5 gig.  

I didn't say it made McCasland our best option, I'm saying you don't rule him out for some stupd-ass reason that historically doesn't even necessarily correlate to success.

[shadow_operative 15932]

14 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

You know what?  It's the fucking weekend, and the LAST thing I want to do is get in an argument with the likes of you.  My point is valid -- it's impossible to know if a coach w/o P5 experience won't be amazing.  It often works out, and aiming for "experience" often limits the pool of applicants unnecessarily.  But you do you, we all know you will, I'm gonna have a beer and hang out with my wife.  Best of luck.

@RichUT you pos rep these types of posts every time they're made but then you turn around and act like you have no idea what i'm talking about when i refer to your bitchass nature when it comes to me. 

that post from jimmyjazz was unprovoked, unhinged garbage. he's in here talking shit to/about me over *nothing*, and then a bunch of the same people who always whine about me and my mere presence go and pos rep that lunatic's shit starting, overly dramatic nonsense. "you bring it on yourself derka." that's rich. take a look in the mirror, and save these bitchass tantrums for your therapist from now on. 

Edited December 17, 2022 by shadow_operative

[shadow_operative 15932]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

LOL, the evidence is right in front of your face.  Chris Beard, Tommy Lloyd, Nate Oats.  None had P5 head coaching experience when hired by . . . wait for it . . . P5 schools . . . and then all had success in their first P5 gig.  

I didn't say it made McCasland our best option, I'm saying you don't rule him out for some stupd-ass reason that historically doesn't even necessarily correlate to success.

i could have sworn you had some super important weekend to enjoy without lowering yourself by even conversing with my overly dramatic self. 

[Pam Cummings 9696]

We're not fucking hiring grant fucking mccasland you fucks goddamn

[jimmyjazz 46470]

2 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

i could have sworn you had some super important weekend to enjoy without lowering yourself by even conversing with my overly dramatic self. 

I'm watching football.  Last night I did exactly what I said I was going to do.  I know this is difficult for you.

We get it, you don't like McCasland.  He's not my first choice, either, but I have a feeling we might stuggle to land most of those top choices (in my world, it would be Donovan then Wright).

[jimmyjazz 46470]

3 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

We're not fucking hiring grant fucking mccasland you fucks goddamn

It's starting to look like we're not hiring anybody.

[shadow_operative 15932]

5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

LOL, the evidence is right in front of your face.  Chris Beard, Tommy Lloyd, Nate Oats.  None had P5 head coaching experience when hired by . . . wait for it . . . P5 schools . . . and then all had success in their first P5 gig.  

chris beard spent 10 years as an assistant/associate HC at TTU including time under Bobby Knight. Tommy Lloyd spent 20 years under Mark Few at Gonzaga. and we aren't talking about hiring a guy "at a P5 school", we're talking about replacing a top 5 national coach and filling a top 5 national gig. you don't successfully do that by lazily offering the job to a guy with nothing on his resume that says he deserves to be considered, simply because he won a tourney game last year and likes to play slow as shit, which apparently means he's the next Beard. 

[Macklemore 2881]

Lol at @jimmyjazz and his bullshit in this thread. Your way of thinking is done at UT. We’re an SEC school now and are younger fans don’t have the ridiculous hangups old farts like you have. We are keeping Beard and he is going to sit out most of the season and it is not going to be an issue anymore after he does the usual character rehab  work that is expected. We are not going to get a better coach than Beard and CDC knows that. Come to grips that we do things the SEC way now or fuck off.

Edited December 17, 2022 by Macklemore

[jimmyjazz 46470]

10 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

chris beard spent 10 years as an assistant/associate HC at TTU including time under Bobby Knight. Tommy Lloyd spent 20 years under Mark Few at Gonzaga. and we aren't talking about hiring a guy "at a P5 school", we're talking about replacing a top 5 national coach

Which of those 5 coaches do you think would take the job?  Serious question.  Sure, we pursue whichever ones fit our requirements, but that doesn't mean it's a slam dunk hire.  Like I said, I'd prefer Donovan or Wright, but I think both would turn us down.  We should still ask.

Personally, I am not a fan of Muss or Cal.  No thanks.  I realize that this makes me "not an SEC fan", which is the aggiest of stupid things that have been posted on this thread.

And "we" (meaning posters on this thread) have suggested P5 head coaching experience being a requirement, regardless of what YOU think we're talking about.  I'm not just posting at you.

Just now, Macklemore said:

Come to grips that we do things the SEC way now or fuck off.

Just as soon as I score my tailored Texans jersey and get paid for blowies with meth.

[troph 24922]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

It wasn’t coaching related. I’ll leave it at that. If you Google Barnes and YouTube, he talks about his issues. 

I did this - there are hundreds of rick barnes youtube videos. can you provide a link or explain please?

57 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

You could just provide the link.

yes please.