UT's next basketball coach - discussion/debate

[CTC2 2797]

9 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Don’t worry. Seems like he is going to be coaching himself out of the job with these results 

Don’t worry. They aren’t hiring him and have been up front with him about that. 

[RockyMountainHighHorn 890]

We might as well shoot for the moon

[chemHORN 1239]

9 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

Don’t worry. They aren’t hiring him and have been up front with him about that. 

If this is true no wonder we keep getting blown out at home.  

[Pancho 44804]

13 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

We really are in a shit hole if peopIe are really talking about that slime ball, underachieving, washed up Calipari.

Dear lord, people.

No one here is talking about Calipari. It’s pretty clear his camp is the one leaking it for whatever reason. 

[BigTEAMLittleme 213]

I still think Tang would be a brilliant hire. CDC probably won’t do it, though. 

[jimmyjazz 45957]

3 hours ago, MotownHorn said:

I’m not gonna hope we lose. Sorry. I just can’t do it. This is one of our more promising teams in a long time. 

Who's rooting for us to lose?  If Rodney gets us to a Final Four then I'll take the "penalty" of him getting the permanent gig.

I don't think there's much risk of that.

[Newdoc 3440]

2 minutes ago, BigTEAMLittleme said:

I still think Tang would be a brilliant hire. CDC probably won’t do it, though. 

And no baggage. Good family man.

[ButtFumble 5179]

I am starting to feel like  John Calipari would only be a good hire if he agrees to change his name to JohnBo

Edited January 12, 2023 by ButtFumble

[Cairn Horn88 8264]

Sampson?

[shadow_operative 15932]

6 hours ago, BigTEAMLittleme said:

I still think Tang would be a brilliant hire. CDC probably won’t do it, though. 

"a brilliant hire". 

 

steve kerr would be a brilliant hire. jerome tang is a bottom of the barrel option; a last resort. i still cant believe how many of our fans have absolutely zero clue as to what kind of job this is. this is a job that top flight coaches aspire to have. this is not a job where you sign a guy who has, to this point, a resume comprised of one impressive half season as a HC. he is so far below what we should aspire to hire that our fans claiming he'd be a "brilliant" hire is seriously fucking aggravating.

let's also address the, "he'd be a great hire because he's a great family man" take. who gives a shit if he's a kickass husband? what the hell does that have to do with anything? shaka smart seems like a great family man and he sucks dicks for quarters as a high level cbb coach. meanwhile cheaters and scumbags continue to win national titles all of the time. i don't give a shit about a guy being a great family man. that's not a reason to pay someone $5M/yr to coach what is essentially a pro sports team. 

Edited January 12, 2023 by shadow_operative

[ClubWhatever 12144]

Yeah!

[Underdog 28644]

2 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

"a brilliant hire". 

 

steve kerr would be a brilliant hire. jerome tang is a bottom of the barrel option; a last resort. i still cant believe how many of our fans have absolutely zero clue as to what kind of job this is. this is a job that top flight coaches aspire to have. this is not a job where you sign a guy who has, to this point, a resume comprised of one impressive half season as a HC. he is so far below what we should aspire to hire that our fans claiming he'd be a "brilliant" hire is seriously fucking aggravating.

let's also address the, "he'd be a great hire because he's a great family man" take. who gives a shit if he's a kickass husband? what the hell does that have to do with anything? shaka smart seems like a great family man and he sucks dicks for quarters as a high level cbb coach. meanwhile cheaters and scumbags continue to win national titles all of the time. i don't give a shit about a guy being a great family man. that's not a reason to pay someone $5M/yr to coach what is essentially a pro sports team. 

 

[Pancho 44804]

5 hours ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Sampson?

No for many reasons stated in this thread already 

[LTtxfan 49188]

Media gonna talk about this all season...

 

[ztejas 43452]

3 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

"a brilliant hire". 

 

steve kerr would be a brilliant hire. jerome tang is a bottom of the barrel option; a last resort. i still cant believe how many of our fans have absolutely zero clue as to what kind of job this is. this is a job that top flight coaches aspire to have. this is not a job where you sign a guy who has, to this point, a resume comprised of one impressive half season as a HC. he is so far below what we should aspire to hire that our fans claiming he'd be a "brilliant" hire is seriously fucking aggravating.

let's also address the, "he'd be a great hire because he's a great family man" take. who gives a shit if he's a kickass husband? what the hell does that have to do with anything? shaka smart seems like a great family man and he sucks dicks for quarters as a high level cbb coach. meanwhile cheaters and scumbags continue to win national titles all of the time. i don't give a shit about a guy being a great family man. that's not a reason to pay someone $5M/yr to coach what is essentially a pro sports team. 

I didn't know who the fuck Tang was until his name started getting brought up here. 

[Wulaw Horn 19070]

Calipari would probably be a great hire (unless he’s on the outs with worldwide Wes). 
he’s got a great record, he’s obviously gotten stale at Kentucky, and they are probably ready for a change from each other. 
I assume if he and Kentucky broke up he’d go on a starvation diet for a while, work out 10 times a week and maybe get a boob job and some liposuction. You don’t have an ego like that and not take this as a kick in the ass to get better. He’d likely kill it here. 

[TommysTinyTowels 787]

1 hour ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Calipari would probably be a great hire (unless he’s on the outs with worldwide Wes). 
he’s got a great record, he’s obviously gotten stale at Kentucky, and they are probably ready for a change from each other. 
I assume if he and Kentucky broke up he’d go on a starvation diet for a while, work out 10 times a week and maybe get a boob job and some liposuction. You don’t have an ego like that and not take this as a kick in the ass to get better. He’d likely kill it here. 

Yeah, in a limited pool of candidates Cal ticks a lot of the important boxes. As stated before there are issues including his age but we are going to lose most of our team at the end of the year and we need a strong presence to keep recruits and pull in portal players. He would also possibly bring some Wildcats with him and he has coached well enough to win a Nat’l. Not too many guys with that on the resume.

I think there are bigger hires out there, but the bigger they are, the less possible they seem.

 

I could certainly get behind a long term “up-and-comer” but Cal would be the type of splash hire that would absolutely keep the party from hitting pause.

[D3zii 3680]

I’m not in to taking ppls rejects. 
is obviously a reason Kentucky is letting him go. So why do we want him?? Based off what he used to do??? 

[MoJames 8244]

Giving the dog the ole Chris Beard.

[realgreggym 835]

The game last night is a great reason why you don't want Cal here. His 1 and done team would have lost last night. Texas and TCU are both long on experience and leadership. When we were down 19, the kids never gave up. When we cut the lead down to 2 points, TCU ran off an 8-0 run in about a minute. But our kids never gave up and neither did TCU.  The mental side of the game is as important as the physical side of the game.

And to the little t shirt guy who said who cares if someone is a good family man, evidently the U of Texas does and incredibly they outrank even you. 

[MoJames 8244]

3 minutes ago, realgreggym said:

The game last night is a great reason why you don't want Cal here. His 1 and done team would have lost last night. Texas and TCU are both long on experience and leadership. When we were down 19, the kids never gave up. When we cut the lead down to 2 points, TCU ran off an 8-0 run in about a minute. But our kids never gave up and neither did TCU.  The mental side of the game is as important as the physical side of the game.

And to the little t shirt guy who said who cares if someone is a good family man, evidently the U of Texas does and incredibly they outrank even you. 

I'm gonna be honest and say I gave up. My bad guys.

[Valmy77 13226]

I am still bitter about Cal's cheating team ruining our 2008 season. Our loss got vacated? So what? Still didn't get to play in the Final Four.

[realgreggym 835]

46 minutes ago, MoJames said:

I'm gonna be honest and say I gave up. My bad guys.

It's ok. Mo. You still get your milk and cookies. But no Lambo for you.

[Rockethorn1978 6077]

So I guess since cal and others aren’t options and muss isn’t leaving Arkansas then Oates from bama it is? Meh but better than terry.

[TejasPedro 1858]

I want to forgive Chris Beard and that crazy Yoko Ono ginger, but it’s so damn hard.

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by TejasPedro

[Js1 85338]

9 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

So I guess since cal and others aren’t options and muss isn’t leaving Arkansas then Oates from bama it is? Meh but better than terry.

Why meh on Oats?

.664 winning % at Bama
Won the SEC in 2021 and went to the Sweet 16
Won 2 NCAA games at Buffalo with a .691 winning %

2019 class was #20
2020 class was #12
2021 class was #14
2022 class was #3
2023 class is #23

He can play the transfer game too (Sears, Quinnerly, Pringle, Burnett)

Just beat Arkansas at Arkansas last night
He's 2-0 versus Sampson the last 2 years, including a win on the road
Absolutely smoked Kentucky this year at home

[BevoAbyss 2059]

18 hours ago, perfectchaos007 said:

Although Berque has done a good job keeping the team ranked in the top 15 these past few years,

Berque won a freaking national title with men's tennis in 2019. How he does long term, remains to be seen. But that title should count for something. 

Edited January 12, 2023 by BevoAbyss

[Newdoc 3440]

7 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

let's also address the, "he'd be a great hire because he's a great family man"

Nobody said he was a great hire because he is a good family man. It implies he doesn’t come with the grenades that Cal, and apparently Beard had.  Beard’s grenade blew up and might set UT Basketball back years. Texas can’t afford to repeat that again.

Texas isn’t hiring some unstable artist to do a one and done rock show. They are hiring someone that needs to be a great coach and that includes the intangibles of not having a personal life that gets you fired well before your contract is up.

[MotownHorn 1762]

15 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

Don’t worry. Seems like he is going to be coaching himself out of the job with these results 

7-1 so far is a bad result?

[TrashMaster G 17557]

18 hours ago, perfectchaos007 said:

playing devils advocate here, but the only other time a head coach was fired due to scandal/arrest under CDC was Coach Center (men’s tennis) and instead of doing a proper coaching search , CDC decided to promote the assistant coach (Berque) to permanent head coach. Although Berque has done a good job keeping the team ranked in the top 15 these past few years, he has accomplished that primarily with players Center recruited. The jury is still out on Berque until we see how his team does over the next couple of years with just the guys he brought on. 

To be fair, he made that choice AFTER Berque won the National Championship.

[Pig Bellmont 8719]

36 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

not having a personal life that gets you fired well before your contract is up.

That’s a weird way to say “not committing domestic violence”. I mean it wasn’t his personal life that got him fired. It was the felony assault 

[Underdog 28644]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Why meh on Oats?

.664 winning % at Bama
Won the SEC in 2021 and went to the Sweet 16
Won 2 NCAA games at Buffalo with a .691 winning %

2019 class was #20
2020 class was #12
2021 class was #14
2022 class was #3
2023 class is #23

He can play the transfer game too (Sears, Quinnerly, Pringle, Burnett)

Just beat Arkansas at Arkansas last night
He's 2-0 versus Sampson the last 2 years, including a win on the road
Absolutely smoked Kentucky this year at home

Yep.  I'd take Oats at UK in a heartbeat. 

[Rockethorn1978 6077]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Why meh on Oats?

.664 winning % at Bama
Won the SEC in 2021 and went to the Sweet 16
Won 2 NCAA games at Buffalo with a .691 winning %

2019 class was #20
2020 class was #12
2021 class was #14
2022 class was #3
2023 class is #23

He can play the transfer game too (Sears, Quinnerly, Pringle, Burnett)

Just beat Arkansas at Arkansas last night
He's 2-0 versus Sampson the last 2 years, including a win on the road
Absolutely smoked Kentucky this year at home

Because he isn’t a sexy name and I’m an idiot. But that sold me what you posted haha.

[ButtFumble 5179]

 the only problem with Oats is getting fucking Mack Brown to vacate his office and take all his shit with him in time for Oats to move into his office the day he is hired

and we cannot have Del blowing off a return call from his agent either

[MoJames 8244]

3 hours ago, realgreggym said:

It's ok. Mo. You still get your milk and cookies. But no Lambo for you.

[TreatyOak 16332]

10 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

let's also address the, "he'd be a great hire because he's a great family man" take. who gives a shit if he's a kickass husband?

I think Coach Beard has just proved why the absence of a stable personal life can be highly detrimental to success.

It would be interesting to do a comparison of coaching success with the metric being stable personal lives (think Coach K's wife who was a very visible, contributing partner) vs unstable personal lives (think Coach Beard and Rick Petino)

[Dbeasy 15051]

There’s one guy that hasn’t been discussed that has his team winning, has two top ten upsets including the other night, and is a recruiting machine. He’s smart and a real mover and a Shaka. 

[realgreggym 835]

27 minutes ago, MoJames said:

Ok. You get Bijan's old Lambo.

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

On 1/10/2023 at 4:25 PM, SL Xpress said:

There was an article I read talking about how he and his wife backpacked across Europe as a couple after college. Dan Monson had apparently offered him the volunteer assistant job at Gonzaga if he wanted to get out of coaching when he was playing for another team. Don't know the story on that, but he impressed him somehow. Said he couldn't play for him, but he could coach. So maybe didn't impress him that much.

In any case, by the time he was ready to get into coaching Monson had moved on and Few had taken over. Few told Lloyd he needed to find a way to differentiate himself. Because he loved his experience in Europe so much, he concentrated on recruiting Europe, developing different contacts and understanding the process.

He apparently had a contract with Gonzaga that guaranteed him the job if he was still there when Few departed. 

Probably read the article off a link on this thread, actually. 

Lloyd is my number one choice

For one, I'm fairly convinced that by continuing his current recruiting protocol of going after the best available Euros and supplementing that with National top 100 Texas high school players he'd kill it here. And every now and then he'd probably get a National top 5 Texas kid. Let's face it, we're not the most sophisticated college bball fanbase. A nice shiny object of some outstanding offensive basketball to go along with a consistently top 5 to 15 ranked team would have Moody packed night in and night out. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

Lloyd would be a great hire, for all the reasons stated. i'd love to watch his brand of basketball at the moody center for years and years. he could win big here. 

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

I like Oats & Mussleman as well, but judging by how most of us viewed Shaka's offense I'm not sure we'd stomach a lot of what Oats and Musseleman do much better when we're watching them up close night after night. They're teams like to launch the 3 with reckless abandon as well and can get stagnant with their movement when they're not hitting from outside. The only they do that is somewhat different from Shaka is get to the free throw line (this is particularly true of  Oats and less so of Mussleman). And of course they do what Shaka is doing now, but didn't do here for whatever reason which is force the tempo. 

[Rockethorn1978 6077]

Would Lloyd leave Arizona? I feel it’s similar to arkansas and Muss

[Catdaddyhorn 3444]

27 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

Would Lloyd leave Arizona? I feel it’s similar to arkansas and Muss

That's my concern as well, but after seeing what he's paid and his buyout my hope for our prospects have improved quite a bit. 

[Js1 85338]

35 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

Would Lloyd leave Arizona? I feel it’s similar to arkansas and Muss

Gotta try. Gotta make the call and sell the program if they are what CDC is looking for 

[shadow_operative 15932]

i'm watching PTI on my dvr and they are *crushing* UK fans for booing Cal, for the Please Go To Texas sign, and for the gofundme they've started to pay his buyout. they essentially said, "he's given you three final fours, a national title, and half the players in the nba, and you boo him? you want him to go to texas? i hope he DOES go to Texas, cuz he'll be right back in the SEC and he can beat them at Rupp Arena." wilbon said UK could go the way of Nebraska football if they do fire Coach Cal. 

[ztejas 43452]

Just now, shadow_operative said:

wilbon said UK could go the way of Nebraska football

That's a bit much. 

[Underdog 28644]

Meh.  Every program is a coach or two or three away from a deep slide.  It’ll be interesting to see how Duke fares post Coach K.  

[Underdog 28644]

1 hour ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

I like Oats & Mussleman as well, but judging by how most of us viewed Shaka's offense I'm not sure we'd stomach a lot of what Oats and Musseleman do much better when we're watching them up close night after night. They're teams like to launch the 3 with reckless abandon as well and can get stagnant with their movement when they're not hitting from outside. The only they do that is somewhat different from Shaka is get to the free throw line (this is particularly true of  Oats and less so of Mussleman). And of course they do what Shaka is doing now, but didn't do here for whatever reason which is force the tempo. 

I like Oats but his teams can be a bit undisciplined at times.  Bama has had some good/great teams in the past hard to believe they’ve never snuck into a FF, same goes for Tenn. 

[ztejas 43452]

10 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Every program is a coach or two or three away from a deep slide.

Except UK is one of at least 3 programs that has never really demonstrated that. UCLA would be the 4th but they've had 2 separate 15-year Final Four droughts post Wooden. 

Even Duke's history is fairly unassailable granted most of it is just one coach. They just don't have the pre 1960s success that the other BBs do. 

TLDR: excuse me while I weep for Kentucky basketball. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by ztejas

[shadow_operative 15932]

1 hour ago, Underdog said:

I like Oats but his teams can be a bit undisciplined at times.  Bama has had some good/great teams in the past hard to believe they’ve never snuck into a FF, same goes for Tenn. 

i was shocked when i found out that tennessee has been to the EE *once* in their history, and that's it. they've been ready to get rid of barnes on such a semi-annual basis you would think that they had hung a few banners.