UT's next basketball coach - discussion/debate

[Js1 85,328]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

It's the expected outcome of the seed you fucking idiot.

Something Texas hasn’t been able to do consistently. 

[jimmyjazz 45,934]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Something Texas hasn’t been able to do consistently. 

No doubt.

[Braff Zacklin 13,570]

6 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

If Texas makes the final four framing that as a "no win situation" is funny.

I would take a final 4 if it meant a couple more years of Terry in a heartbeat. That's clearly a win for a program that's made 1 final 4 in about 70 years. 

This, this, this and more this.

I'll gladly accept a few more years of frustrating mediocrity if that means a Final Four run this season.

[Ignatius 4,017]

This debate should be over, no discussion. It’s crystal clear that the man who should be on the bench leading this team is Timmy Allen…

[HtownHorn 14,681]

2 hours ago, MuellerHorn said:

I think the Elite 8 expectations are objectively based on being a two seed. Other than that, you could create a case for just about any outcome.

43% of 2 seeds have made the E8 in the last 10 tournaments. It's a ridículos standard. Doesn't matter, it's a done deal now. 20-point ass whopping of Kansas to win the Big 12. We have our coach.

[HtownHorn 14,681]

2 hours ago, ztejas said:

I mean, first of all, that isn't what I said. What you're implying is that it wouldn't be a guarantee that Beard would have this team in a better position to win a national championship at this point in the season.

Of course I can't be proven wrong - just like you can't be proven right. The most tangible and easily evaluated metric of this argument is the coaching ability of both guys. In what universe is Rodney Terry at the same level as Beard as a college basketball coach? Beard was booked for felony domestic violence then fired and less than 6 months later has a job as a head coach for a P5 basketball program. 

And Beard will likely go the way of Gillispie, because his demons don't get better in stressful situations.

[ztejas 43,425]

Just now, HtownHorn said:

And Beard will likely go the way of Gillispie, because his demons don't get better in stressful situations.

Beard is going to be amazing at Ole Miss. He's going to fuck with our DFW recruiting, for starters. 

[Wulaw Horn 19,069]

I can’t imagine Terry not being hired at this point in time. 
if it was up to me I’d probably hire Pitino. He’s getting a big time job on the big East and I think he’s the best coach in NCAA hoops. Yes- I know- scumbag.  But he’d probably be my hire. 

[MirrOlure 14,771]

Something Texas hasn’t been able to do consistently. 

And something at least one or more #2 seeds fails to to every year in almost forever

[ATXbronco 4,065]

If you can't take THIS team to the Sweet 16, then you can't coach.
We have an NBA G League team out there.
Heavy experience and some really talented guys who almost don't need coaching.  

Get to the elite 8 and you might be a really good Coach.  

 

 

[Prepuce of Doom 21,073]

Meanwhile, checking in on Tony Bennett... 

 

[UTEE97 3,521]

14 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

Meanwhile, checking in on Tony Bennett... 

 

We are judging coaches by their conference tournament results now? As if Tony Bennett is an unknown commodity and he needs to win the ACC tournament to prove his worth.

We fired Shaka Smart the same year he won the Big 12 tournament. That's how important the conference tournament is.

Edited March 12, 2023 by UTEE97

[Wally Pryor 5,261]

6 hours ago, Rickylovesweed said:

It's funny to me this guy is the reason Texas has its best offense in like 15 years. 

 

Great move by Beard to turn the offense over to Donewald at the beginning of the season. Certainly has paid off.

Talking about a guy who has been around, including being chosen by Tao Ming to coach the Shanghai professional team in '09. London, Russia, Ukraine, Shangahai or more. Donewald's been all over. Big key to this team's success.

[Prepuce of Doom 21,073]

23 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

We are judging coaches by their conference tournament results now? As if Tony Bennett is an unknown commodity and he needs to win the ACC tournament to prove his worth.

We fired Shaka Smart the same year he won the Big 12 tournament. That's how important the conference tournament is.

I can see why you thought that was the point of my post, but my intention was quite to the contrary - he's an absolutely known commodity.

And his brand of basketball is often stiflingly, aggressively dull and boring. 

Edited March 12, 2023 by Prepuce of Doom

[UTEE97 3,521]

12 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

I can see why you thought that was the point of my post, but my intention was quite to the contrary - he's an absolutely known commodity.

And his brand of basketball is often stiflingly, aggressively dull and boring. 

What was the point of your post? I still don't get it. He is a nad coach because he was losing the conference championship game and that Terry would be better because he won? 

[Prepuce of Doom 21,073]

1 minute ago, UTEE97 said:

What was the point of your post? I still don't get it. He is a nad coach because he was losing the conference championship game and that Terry would be better because he won? 

His teams are dull as shit. 

That's it. That's my entire point. 

Edited March 12, 2023 by Prepuce of Doom

[freyguy 4,270]

At least yall have some time to figure out how to accept that Rodney Terry is going to be our coach for the next few years.  Let the rest of us know how it goes for yall.

[UTEE97 3,521]

9 minutes ago, Prepuce of Doom said:

His teams are dull as shit. 

That's it. That's my entire point. 

A lot of people felt the same way about Beard and you can say the same about Sampson, but these guys win a lot of games, especially in the tourney. 

Edited March 12, 2023 by UTEE97

[Braff Zacklin 13,570]

3 minutes ago, freyguy said:

At least yall have some time to figure out how to accept that Rodney Terry is going to be our coach for the next few years.  Let the rest of us know how it goes for yall.

[Dbeasy 15,050]

If and when Terry blows it in the first or second round, how do we feel about the next UT coach losing in the first round of the tournament?

[royiv 9,310]

Tony Bennett and Tommy Lloyd are both available. Anyone?

[YGIFS 19,450]

On 3/11/2023 at 9:44 PM, Braff Zacklin said:

 

2 hours ago, royiv said:

Tony Bennett and Tommy Lloyd are both available. Anyone?

To bring 'em both home...

 

[SL Xpress 7,513]

On 3/11/2023 at 9:40 PM, freyguy said:

At least yall have some time to figure out how to accept that Rodney Terry is going to be our coach for the next few years.  Let the rest of us know how it goes for yall.

I mean, I’ve had time since December. When he was given the interim tag he inherently became a candidate. If he did well enough he wasn’t going anywhere, and now here we are. 

That said, if he loses to Penn State, UT is going in a different direction, whether they should or shouldn’t. I’ve made my peace with it. I hope the team wins every game. It would be so much fun to be able to root on this group of guys in Houston. Whatever happens after this tournament - whether Terry is the head coach or not - it is what it is. 

[South Austin 52,498]

1 hour ago, SL Xpress said:

Whatever happens after this tournament - whether Terry is the head coach or not - it is what it is. 

Insightful.

[SL Xpress 7,513]

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

Insightful.

I don’t think I was going for insightful there. Just countering the idea that people who weren’t excited about Terry being the head coach will have to come to terms with it. 

And it’s a good thing. Because you’re right. It wasn’t particularly insightful. 

[Red Five 40,857]

6 hours ago, royiv said:

Tony Bennett and Tommy Lloyd are both available. Anyone?

1) They are?

2) Yes. 

[ClubWhatever 12,140]

Yeah this next game is the Rodney Terry bowl.  If Texas wins, he’s getting the job.  (He might even get it if we lose, but I think it’s inevitable with a win.  Assuming he doesn’t choke somebody.)

[Prepuce of Doom 21,073]

3 hours ago, ClubWhatever said:

Yeah this next game is the Rodney Terry bowl.  If Texas wins, he’s getting the job.  (He might even get it if we lose, but I think it’s inevitable with a win.  Assuming he doesn’t choke somebody.)

I don't have a dog in the fight, but as an Illinois fan, I wanted to offer that whatever happens in tomorrow's game, Shrewsberry has done a great job with this Penn's Taint team (beat our inconsistent and frustrating team 3x this season in convincing fashion...) and they're a much better team than their seed suggests. 

I want Shrewsberry out of the B1G ASAP. 

[Pancho 44,789]

The rumor is Georgetown wants Shrewsberry or Cooley. I think Pitino goes to St. Johns

[MotownHorn 1,762]

Say it with me everybody...

ROD-NEY TER-RY!!!!

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ROD-NEY TER-RY!!!!

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[The Ace of Aces 5,183]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

The rumor is Georgetown wants Shrewsberry or Cooley. I think Pitino goes to St. Johns

Noise here with some insiders is they believe the Georgetown deal is done. 

[Js1 85,328]

2 hours ago, The Ace of Aces said:

Noise here with some insiders is they believe the Georgetown deal is done. 

Penn St ain’t waving no white flag

B1G money is hard to beat 

[kevwun 15,787]

I was wondering about that.  Georgetown is one of those programs that's not coming back I think.

[shadow_operative 15,932]

8 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

I don’t think I was going for insightful there. Just countering the idea that people who weren’t excited about Terry being the head coach will have to come to terms with it. 

And it’s a good thing. Because you’re right. It wasn’t particularly insightful. 

exactly this. i have never understood this need for contentiousness from the pro-Terry crowd. such a defensive, combative group. they can't just say, "i think RT should be the coach, others disagree, and that's ok." instead it's more like, "RT is gonna be the next HC and all you pieces of shit who didn't want him can eat a fucking dick!!!!"

it's fucking weird lol. 

[MotownHorn 1,762]

Defensive and combative eh?

hello pot. meet the kettle!

[Mdhorn 5,949]

18 hours ago, royiv said:

Tony Bennett and Tommy Lloyd are both available. Anyone?

Bennett now has somebody to share the title with for coaching a 1 seed that lost to a 16th seed.  A year later, UVA won it all.  Have no clue who the next HC will be but crazy shit happens.  

Edited March 18, 2023 by Mdhorn

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19 hours ago, royiv said:

Tony Bennett and Tommy Lloyd are both available. Anyone?

They definitely have time to interview.  Did we want the Purdue coach?  

[shadow_operative 15,932]

i mean, we could do worse. 🤷🏼‍♂️ he also comes off really well in interviews. humble yet unapologetically confident. speaks truthfully and has high expectations of his team. those remind me of some of the best traits that barnes and beard possessed, along with the great defense and physicality. i definitely could get on board with a coach who brings the best of those two guys without any of the baggage of felony arrests.

Edited March 18, 2023 by shadow_operative

[Dbeasy 15,050]

4 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

i mean, we could do worse. 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

🎶pass the Dutcher on the left hand side🎶

[formermav43 4,606]

4 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

i mean, we could do worse. 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

He turns 64 later this year. I'm sure we'd prefer to hire someone younger if possible.

[shadow_operative 15,932]

5 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

He turns 64 later this year. I'm sure we'd prefer to hire someone younger if possible.

that's the thing- the market, as far as we know, is super, super thin. cdc may have something up his sleeve involving a younger coach, but if you're looking for a coach who a)is a clear upgrade over terry, b)is available, and c)has actual skins on the wall, then you're probably looking at someone in his late 50's at best.

edit: in fact he's only five years older than billy donovan. and jay wright turns 62 this year believe it or not.

Edited March 18, 2023 by shadow_operative

[shadow_operative 15,932]

damn, i did not realize that jay wright was 61 until just now. he looks great. and as my dad just said to me, "...which is why he won't take another job!". good point.

[formermav43 4,606]

3 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

that's the thing- the market, as far as we know, is super, super thin. cdc may have something up his sleeve involving a younger coach, but if you're looking for a coach who a)is a clear upgrade over terry, b)is available, and c)has actual skins on the wall, then you're probably looking at someone in his late 50's at best.

edit: in fact he's only five years older than billy donovan. 

I don't have anything against hiring an older coach in general. But 1) there's a big difference between a guy like Dutcher and Billy Donovan/Jay Wright; and 2) I'd say that 5 years could make a bigger difference than it seems like in a vacuum in that age bracket too.

[shadow_operative 15,932]

2 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

I don't have anything against hiring an older coach in general. But 1) there's a big difference between a guy like Dutcher and Billy Donovan/Jay Wright; and 2) I'd say that 5 years could make a bigger difference than it seems like in a vacuum in that age bracket too.

i also think that 63 is a lot younger than it used to be, and Dutcher's resume is better than many of the speculative options out there. not saying that he's my new favorite, but i wouldn't be mad at hiring him either.

[Slacks 6,820]

On 3/6/2023 at 6:41 PM, Rickylovesweed said:

They were a top 10 team when Terry took over. It's not like Terry took over a bad team and turned them into a top 10 team. This team was already really good and to Terry's credit he has stabilized a tricky situation. 

BUT any wise AD can recognize that Terry has never built a top 10 team, has never won big with a team he's built, and certainly hasn't done it in a power conference. 

 

The last coach did all that and won the only Big12 tournament title and got walked out. 

What actually matters?

On 3/6/2023 at 6:41 PM, Rickylovesweed said:

They were a top 10 team when Terry took over. It's not like Terry took over a bad team and turned them into a top 10 team. This team was already really good and to Terry's credit he has stabilized a tricky situation. 

BUT any wise AD can recognize that Terry has never built a top 10 team, has never won big with a team he's built, and certainly hasn't done it in a power conference. 

 

The last coach did all that and won the only Big12 tournament title and got walked out. 

What actually matters?

[Js1 85,328]

I mean, people here were drooling over 70 year old Pitino. 

[formermav43 4,606]

Just now, shadow_operative said:

i also think that 63 is a lot younger than it used to be, and Dutcher's resume is better than many of the speculative options out there. not saying that he's my new favorite, but i wouldn't be mad at hiring him either.

It can be. I don't think of that as "old" in general with people I know, I'm just thinking more in terms of what is ideally a long-term hire if he does well - so given when most coaches retire, you might be looking at 15-20 years of Donovan, but maybe only a decade of someone Dutcher's age.

If you're thinking is right about it maybe being inevitable, are comfortable with a shorter-term solution, and want someone with an even better resume, why not kick the tires on John Beilein?

[Huckleberry 32,859]

9 minutes ago, Slacks said:

The last coach did all that and won the only Big12 tournament title and got walked out. 

What actually matters?

Who are you talking about here? Because if you're saying that Shaka Smart built a Top 10 team and won with a team he built in a power conference I'd like to know what you're smoking.

[BurgleBro 787]

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[South Austin 52,498]

12 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Who are you talking about here? Because if you're saying that Shaka Smart built a Top 10 team and won with a team he built in a power conference I'd like to know what you're smoking.