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6 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Generally when you're paying these buyouts you're asking your donors, who are also currently your chief funders for NIL, to foot that cost. It makes sense given the times. Especially considering schools are deciding not to fire coaches because buyout cost + still needing to fund NIL. 

Three options:

Fire your coach, hire a big splash that costs a lot of buyout money and your NIL donors are tapped out

Fire your coach, hire someone "on the cheap" and go bananas with NIL - i.e., BYU, Utah, FSU

Keep your coach and go cuckoo bananas on NIL (but that seems to be more on the football side)

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8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Fire your coach, hire a big splash that costs a lot of buyout money and your NIL donors are tapped out

Fire your coach, hire someone "on the cheap" and go bananas with NIL - i.e., BYU, Utah, FSU

chris beard cost a lot of money, didn’t bring in any stars or nba talent, and had our program flying after one transitionary season where we still won our first tourney game in 8 years.

shaka smart and rodney terry didn’t cost a lot of money, between them they brought in a bunch of top 10 classes and players like tre young, and they make us all want to poke out our eyeballs with rusty spoons when we watch their teams “compete”.

a great coach is worth more than a million five star recruits or transfers, *especially* in this sport. there is not a single sport on the planet where winning is more directly affected by the HC than men’s college basketball. the coach is the crown jewel; the coach is the one you break the bank for; not the players.

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, Derka said:

chris beard cost a lot of money, didn’t bring in any stars of nba talent, and had our program flying after one transitionary season where we won out first tourney game in 8 years.

shaka smart and rodney terry didn’t cost a lot of money, between them they brought in a bunch of top 10 classes and players like tre young, and they make us all want to poke out our eyeballs with rusty spoons.

a great coach is worth more than a million five star recruits or transfers, *especially* in this sport. there is not a single sport on the planet where winning is more directly affected by the HC than men’s college basketball. the coach is the crown jewel; the coach is the one you break the bank for; not the players.

Chris Beard's buyout from Tech was 4 million dollars. We waited until a target date which reduced that from 5 million. That is in line with what exactly the number listed here is 4-5 million in buyout. So again, what is your problem with that number? They are also mentioning paying 7-8 million to the new coach, which is 2-3 million more than Beard was being paid. So again and again what is your problem with the numbers? Would you rather spend ~$10 million on a buyout at the cost of NIL? 

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Chris Beard's buyout from Tech was 4 million dollars. We waited until a target date which reduced that from 5 million. That is in line with what exactly the number listed here is 4-5 million in buyout. So again, what is your problem with that number?

This right here. Hell, it's basically the exact same type of spending scenario. However, as Gerry reported, we're willing to offer 2-3 million/year more than Beard's initial deal. Just don't want to have to pay a massive buyout to obtain the guy. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Chris Beard's buyout from Tech was 4 million dollars. We waited until a target date which reduced that from 5 million.

This.

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41 minutes ago, Derka said:

then just keep rodney terry and come out and say, “we don’t give a shit about men’s basketball.”

i don’t for one second believe that Texas was willing to break the bank for chris beard, see overwhelming success virtually overnight, then wander through the desert with terry, only to say, “we’re not spending any money to get a top flight coach to replace RT.” gerry hamilton is full of shit.

"Break the bank" by Texas' historical standards for men's basketball. However, again though, what Gerry offered up is actually an increase in spending of what we obtained Beard for - both in buyout and annual salary. I don't really understand what you're arguing about. They're not taking a step back, at all.

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12 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said:

"Break the bank" by Texas' historical standards for men's basketball. However, again though, what Gerry offered up is actually an increase in spending of what we obtained Beard for - both in buyout and annual salary. I don't really understand what you're arguing about. They're not taking a step back, at all.

i’m arguing that there is literally nothing in the history of CDC being here that says that we’d rather have a lesser coach than to drop a few bucks, *especially* after building the moody center. i’m also arguing that CDC’s track record >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gerry hamilton’s dumb ass speculation. if i actually believed anything gerry says, which i clearly don’t, then id seriously rather just keep rodney terry until we fail so miserably for so long that we “change our minds” and decide that the money that this AD finds in the couch cushions is worth spending on a top tier men’s basketball coach.

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beard had a buyout of $4m and a $5m annual salary. all of sudden a $5m buyout and a $7-8m salary (which even according to gerry is a given) is too much? Texas Athletics either can’t or is unwilling to spend that to hire a HC whose expectations will be to have Texas as a premier hoops program for the next 20 years? that makes sense to y’all? that sounds to you like that’s how CDC operates?

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6 minutes ago, Derka said:

i’m arguing that there is literally nothing in the history of CDC being here that says that we’d rather have a lesser coach than to drop a few bucks, *especially* after building the moody center. i’m also arguing that CDC’s track record >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gerry hamilton’s dumb ass speculation. if i actually believed anything gerry says, which i clearly don’t, then id seriously rather just keep rodney terry until we fail so miserably for so long that we “change our minds” and decide that the money that this AD finds in the couch cushions is worth spending on a top tier meme. asker all coach.

Scott Drew is a national championship winning coach that fits that criteria! More accompished than Oats or Lloyd(who you've mentioned).

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1 minute ago, Derka said:

beard had a buyout of $4m and a $5m annual salary. all of sudden a $5m buyout and a $7-8m salary (which even according to gerry is a given) is too much? Texas Athletics either can’t or is unwilling to spend that to hire a HC whose expectations will be to have Texas as a premier hoops program for the next 20 years? that makes sense to y’all? that sounds to you like that’s how CDC operates?

Gerry didn't say that is too much. Gerry said that is what they have ready to spend on a new coach/buyout. You also have to take into account Rodney Terry will have his own 3-4.5 million buyout plus his assistant buyouts. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Derka said:

all of sudden a $5m buyout and a $7-8m salary (which even according to gerry is a given) is too much

*All of a sudden

And no one said that's too much

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9 minutes ago, Derka said:

i’m arguing that there is literally nothing in the history of CDC being here that says that we’d rather have a lesser coach than to drop a few bucks, *especially* after building the moody center. i’m also arguing that CDC’s track record >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gerry hamilton’s dumb ass speculation. if i actually believed anything gerry says, which i clearly don’t, then id seriously rather just keep rodney terry until we fail so miserably for so long that we “change our minds” and decide that the money that this AD finds in the couch cushions is worth spending on a top tier meme. asker all coach.

CDC appears to have near total decision-making authority with the athletic department outside of men's basketball and football. Football and basketball involve so much money in terms of buy outs and annual salary that a greater number of donors/university figureheads are involved. He did not hire Sark on his own accord and it appears this hire will be slightly similar (slightly because football is certainly a more in depth team - BOR, president, AD, etc. - effort).

Gerry and Bobby are pretty well connected to the athletic department, other Texas admin, and BMDs. Why they don't know everything, I believe you're discounting their information too much.

Also, no one has said $5 mil buyout + 7-8mil/annually is too much. That's what they're wanting/expecting to spend. I get you want Texas to reset the market and get the best possible, but that isn't going to happen.

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A buyout isn't "dead money" if it lets you go up a tier in who you wind up hiring. But Texas may not need to spend much to get their guy. Unless I'm missing something Donovan's contract is up after this season meaning the buyout would be $0. 

Snyder is two years into a 5 year contract with $24M remaining. Not sure how that would work if he wanted to leave and I'm not sure why Atlanta would fire him. 

Few wouldn't be a big buyout I think but it's a private school. 

Self would be. Not sure Texas wants Self.

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4 minutes ago, MuellerHorn said:

Why they don't know everything, I believe you're discounting their information too much.

the people i have with connections have been emphatically more in tune with what’s happening than gerry ever has been. i can’t tell you the number of times i’ve h been told something that refutes what gerry has been saying, only for gerry to eventually find out/share the exact info i’ve been given days later. i straight up don’t have any respect for anything he says, the guy is often less in the loop than i am.

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Just now, Derka said:

the people i have with connections have been emphatically more in tune with what’s happening than gerry ever has been. i can’t tell you the number of times i’ve h been told something that refutes what gerry has been saying (with the caveat that said info is not for public consumption), only for gerrymandering to find out/share the exact info i’ve been given days later. i straight up don’t have any respect for anything he says, the guy is often less in the loop than i am.

So what are your people saying? You have all these connections but you never post what the specifics are. What are the dollar amount these guys are saying for sitting coach buyout? What is the dollar amount for new coach salary? What are they fully expecting to pay Terry for his buyout? Who are their top 3-5 candidates? 

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11 minutes ago, Derka said:

gerry did.

Read the below again

 

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Gerry is stating that $7-8 mil/year is on the table. However, Texas doesn't want to commit to a buy out over $5 mil. Overall, it allows Texas to commit to one of the best comp packages in college basketball. That's all positive and Gerry is stating it as such.

Look, I'm not saying that Gerry is definitely right. But I'm not sure how the above compensation package is bad.

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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So what are your people saying? You have all these connections but you never post what the specifics are. What are the dollar amount these guys are saying for sitting coach buyout? What is the dollar amount for new coach salary? What are they fully expecting to pay Terry for his buyout? Who are their top 3-5 candidates? 

I do remember Derka told us they said money would not be an object, both for salary and buyout. 

Also, USF may do us a solid by taking RT so we don't have to pay the full buyout. 

Posted
5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I do remember Derka told us they said money would not be an object, both for salary and buyout. 

Also, USF may do us a solid by taking RT so we don't have to pay the full buyout. 

While that would be extremely nice, Gerry said that though... so, disregard?

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Posted
1 minute ago, MuellerHorn said:

While that would be extremely nice, Gerry said that though... so, disregard?

Excuse me, I was told CDC just calls up another AD and slaps his dick on the desk and says "fucking hire this guy or else" and then it happens.  Like Shaka!  But not Herman or Aston, he didn't care enough about them to get them a new job. 

Posted
37 minutes ago, Derka said:

the people i have with connections have been emphatically more in tune with what’s happening than gerry ever has been. i can’t tell you the number of times i’ve h been told something that refutes what gerry has been saying, only for gerry to eventually find out/share the exact info i’ve been given days later. i straight up don’t have any respect for anything he says, the guy is often less in the loop than i am.

Okay so what are your people saying?

 

/sss

Posted
1 minute ago, Pancho said:

Okay so what are your people saying?

 

/sss

last thing i posted about it was the last thing i heard. basketball BMD’s are heavily invested in bringing in a top flight coach, with nate oats at the top of the list.

Posted
2 minutes ago, Derka said:

last thing i posted about it was the last thing i heard. basketball BMD’s are heavily invested in bringing in a top flight coach, with nate oats at the top of the list.

I hope your info is right (not saying it's wrong). I would love to watch a Texas team coached by Oats.

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57 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

SOURCE-OFF!

csb: i’ve never revealed this before, but one of my sources actually tipped me off to the james harden to brooklyn trade like 10 days before even ESPN had it. i wasn’t allowed to blatantly share the info, but i knew for a fact that it was a done deal, so i came to the nba thread and simply posted, “harden to brooklyn?” something like 7-10 days before it was announced. there was zero speculation about this move at the time.

nobody here seemed to notice as nobody responded to the post, and like i said, maybe a week later it was announced. that was my biggest every “scoop”, and i’ve never acknowledged or taken credit for it before now, but in a lifetime of me being privy to basketball moves and behind-closed-doors dealings before anyone else knows about them, that one stands out as the coolest.

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

the people i have with connections have been emphatically more in tune with what’s happening than gerry ever has been. i can’t tell you the number of times i’ve h been told something that refutes what gerry has been saying, only for gerry to eventually find out/share the exact info i’ve been given days later. i straight up don’t have any respect for anything he says, the guy is often less in the loop than i am.

If you're right, then what does it matter/why do you care what Gerry is saying? This feels like a pretty black and white issue that we'll have the answer on in a few weeks. It's not like us posting the pros and cons of paying a buyout/wanting x coach changes anything

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Let's start with the basic arithmetic:  what Gerry is saying is that a $6M buyout is too much but $5M is OK.  That's not a $6M hickey, it's a $1M hickey, and in ALL respects it would be "spread" across at a minimum of 3 years, barring a firing for cause, at which point the exit buyout would be a moot point.

I don't believe for a moment Texas couldn't figure out a way to spread a few million dollars across a few years.  For starters, Moody revenue is a HUGE issue and the best coach maximizes that revenue.

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2 hours ago, ztejas said:

A buyout isn't "dead money" if it lets you go up a tier in who you wind up hiring. But Texas may not need to spend much to get their guy. Unless I'm missing something Donovan's contract is up after this season meaning the buyout would be $0. 

Snyder is two years into a 5 year contract with $24M remaining. Not sure how that would work if he wanted to leave and I'm not sure why Atlanta would fire him. 

Few wouldn't be a big buyout I think but it's a private school. 

Self would be. Not sure Texas wants Self.

Self is under 5m

Posted
2 hours ago, Derka said:

what a nebulous, non specific statement, that’s addresses nothing in reality. so if nate oats and tommy lloyd have a higher buyout than ben mccollum then we’re just going to pass on those two for ben mccollum? and that’s going to pay off in the long run because instead of getting decades of a tier 1 coach we might get another tre johnson for 5 months? this shit makes zero sense whatsoever.

Thank you for the feedback on my rhetoric when posting. I've really struggled with getting my points across over the years and you've done me a service here that I'll use to take a step forward, learning from a true master.

Outside of that, you present a logic fallacy called a "false choice" that isn't worth the effort in rebutting. 

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Three options:

Fire your coach, hire a big splash that costs a lot of buyout money and your NIL donors are tapped out

Fire your coach, hire someone "on the cheap" and go bananas with NIL - i.e., BYU, Utah, FSU

Keep your coach and go cuckoo bananas on NIL (but that seems to be more on the football side)

There are more than 3 options. You can make a splash hire and spend a lot of money on the coach and in NIL. You don't have to do that while also swallowing a massive buyout. Contrary to what Derka is bawling over, there are great choices that aren't named Nate Oats. Suddenly Oats and Lloyd are the only "great coaches" and yet neither of those guys has won a national title. Maybe Texas truly goes crazy and thinks Oats is the one they have to have, as Derka has stated, but after the Beard bullshit, I'm guessing he was never really on the list. 

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13 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Let's start with the basic arithmetic:  what Gerry is saying is that a $6M buyout is too much but $5M is OK.  That's not a $6M hickey, it's a $1M hickey, and in ALL respects it would be "spread" across at a minimum of 3 years, barring a firing for cause, at which point the exit buyout would be a moot point.

I don't believe for a moment Texas couldn't figure out a way to spread a few million dollars across a few years.  For starters, Moody revenue is a HUGE issue and the best coach maximizes that revenue.

You think Texas is going to renegotiate a contract clause with another university from whom they're poaching a valued a coach? I'd have to see that to believe it. 

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Just now, closetojumping said:

You think Texas is going to renegotiate a contract clause with another university from whom they're poaching a valued a coach? I'd have to see that to believe it. 

No, I'm saying the hit is effectively spread across however many years the coach is employed, and it pales in comparison to $16M-$18M annual.

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

No, I'm saying the hit is effectively spread across however many years the coach is employed, and it pales in comparison to $16M-$18M annual.

I guess I'm missing something. The buyout clause for poaching usually requires and upfront payment from either the coach or the school doing the poaching. How are they going to get that spread over multiple years outside of a contract renegotiation with the offended school?

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2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I guess I'm missing something. The buyout clause for poaching usually requires and upfront payment from either the coach or the school doing the poaching. How are they going to get that spread over multiple years outside of a contract renegotiation with the offended school?

He means on our end. Like we would recoup that pretty quickly 

Posted
3 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I guess I'm missing something. The buyout clause for poaching usually requires and upfront payment from either the coach or the school doing the poaching. How are they going to get that spread over multiple years outside of a contract renegotiation with the offended school?

YES, it's upfront.  It's a few million dollars.  We shit a few million dollars.  It would be stupid to let that derail a deal for a coach we deemed "the best".  (I don't know if that is the scenario, I'm just talking about the absurdity of the buyout argument.)

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26 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

YES, it's upfront.  It's a few million dollars.  We shit a few million dollars.  It would be stupid to let that derail a deal for a coach we deemed "the best".  (I don't know if that is the scenario, I'm just talking about the absurdity of the buyout argument.)

I still think I'm not fully following, but here are my thoughts on what I think you're talking to here.

Some of these buyouts aren't "a few million dollars", unless you think $12+M is "a few". Billionaires feel that kind of action. As I posted earlier today, if someone's buyout is something like $7M, they'll bite the bullet, I'm betting. When relaying info to a reporter, some of the posturing of "we're not likely to go over $5M" is just that, whether trying to get that out to the admin, the agents, the fans, or all of them. A deal won't die over a million or two, but past that, it's an issue.

The other thing people on this thread aren't taking into account is stuff I've also seen on the NIL front - it is really easy to spend other peoples' money. Committing to going all in to support a high quality hire means committing to years of support and that's a lot money for anyone. Unless there's a compelling reason to swallow a huge buyout, don't. 

As to some notion of a payoff spread over years in terms of an ROI concept, that doesn't really work. The BMDs aren't getting that money back. They're just getting pats on the back from CDC and maybe their name on something new. Having dealt with all of these people now in some form, or seen the dealings, they're going into the process knowing where their hard lines are for what they can commit. They're not worth 9 figures or billionaires by accident. They know their limits and appetites for risk and pleasure in this stuff. 

In some ways, there's a part of me that thinks the Rodney Terry period kind of needed to happen. There was some serious fatigue and depression with what transpired with Beard. Even if CDC had the big name lined up, and several were seriously rumored to be interested, were they going to get the sense of urgency and buy-in from the BMDs? Maybe, but maybe not. Now? Folks seem to have a sense of urgency and buy-in if they land whoever they think they're landing. 

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1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

Some of these buyouts aren't "a few million dollars", unless you think $12+M is "a few".

. . . and one of my points is that (say) $12M isn't the pain, $7M is the pain (assuming a $5M bar to clear).

As far as the time spread goes, the better the coach (and ensuing results), the longer it is until CDC comes calling again.  I mean, yeah, it ain't my money, but the numbers just don't really seem to add up to me.  

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12 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I still think I'm not fully following, but here are my thoughts on what I think you're talking to here.

Some of these buyouts aren't "a few million dollars", unless you think $12+M is "a few". Billionaires feel that kind of action. As I posted earlier today, if someone's buyout is something like $7M, they'll bite the bullet, I'm betting. When relaying info to a reporter, some of the posturing of "we're not likely to go over $5M" is just that, whether trying to get that out to the admin, the agents, the fans, or all of them. A deal won't die over a million or two, but past that, it's an issue.

The other thing people on this thread aren't taking into account is stuff I've also seen on the NIL front - it is really easy to spend other peoples' money. Committing to going all in to support a high quality hire means committing to years of support and that's a lot money for anyone. Unless there's a compelling reason to swallow a huge buyout, don't. 

As to some notion of a payoff spread over years in terms of an ROI concept, that doesn't really work. The BMDs aren't getting that money back. They're just getting pats on the back from CDC and maybe their name on something new. Having dealt with all of these people now in some form, or seen the dealings, they're going into the process knowing where their hard lines are for what they can commit. They're not worth 9 figures or billionaires by accident. They know their limits and appetites for risk and pleasure in this stuff. 

In some ways, there's a part of me that thinks the Rodney Terry period kind of needed to happen. There was some serious fatigue and depression with what transpired with Beard. Even if CDC had the big name lined up, and several were seriously rumored to be interested, were they going to get the sense of urgency and buy-in from the BMDs? Maybe, but maybe not. Now? Folks seem to have a sense of urgency and buy-in if they land whoever they think they're landing. 

 

Thanks for this.

Does that sense of urgency also come because of the success of A&M and Tech or am I reading too much into that?

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5 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I still think I'm not fully following, but here are my thoughts on what I think you're talking to here.

Some of these buyouts aren't "a few million dollars", unless you think $12+M is "a few". Billionaires feel that kind of action. As I posted earlier today, if someone's buyout is something like $7M, they'll bite the bullet, I'm betting. When relaying info to a reporter, some of the posturing of "we're not likely to go over $5M" is just that, whether trying to get that out to the admin, the agents, the fans, or all of them. A deal won't die over a million or two, but past that, it's an issue.

The other thing people on this thread aren't taking into account 

In some ways, there's a part of me that thinks the Rodney Terry period kind of needed to happen. There was some serious fatigue and depression with what transpired with Beard. Even if CDC had the big name lined up, and several were seriously rumored to be interested, were they going to get the sense of urgency and buy-in from the BMDs? Maybe, but maybe not. Now? Folks seem to have a sense of urgency and buy-in if they land whoever they think they're landing. 

At first I agreed with your last paragraph but in his aight that was the best moment to go big.  No buyout for beard. Of course we didn’t have to buyout Rodney’s contract either.  So essentially a very cheap transaction. 

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3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Thanks for this.

Does that sense of urgency also come because of the success of A&M and Tech or am I reading too much into that?

If I had to guess, the sense of urgency is sucking ass in the SEC lol 

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5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Thanks for this.

Does that sense of urgency also come because of the success of A&M and Tech or am I reading too much into that?

I'm not directly involved with anything other than the ability to talk to a few folks because we're working together on overarching stuff. So this is just one guy's view on how this stuff works at Texas specifically. 

Most of what drives anything with Texas is from internal forces. The goal to be the best at everything is the north star. I don't get any sense in any sports NIL discussion or whenever guys like CDC talk in private that performance of other programs is a driving force. Maybe it's used as a talking point or something, but Texas not being at the apex is always the bigger issue. 

With basketball in particular, there's a realization or belief that it is kind of absurd that Texas isn't a title contender in basketball. Maybe shit was different 40+ years back, but there is no reason that Texas shouldn't be hanging banners in basketball. Everything is there for it if the coaching situation is right. 

 

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16 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

In some ways, there's a part of me that thinks the Rodney Terry period kind of needed to happen. There was some serious fatigue and depression with what transpired with Beard. Even if CDC had the big name lined up, and several were seriously rumored to be interested, were they going to get the sense of urgency and buy-in from the BMDs? Maybe, but maybe not. Now? Folks seem to have a sense of urgency and buy-in if they land whoever they think they're landing. 

I get this thought but I really think it all hinged on that elite eight "run".  My sense is CDC really didn't have the right guy on the hook but would have pressed if we bow out in the first or second round. And everyone that mattered liked RT and wanted to give him a chance.   The contract of 3M a year said it all though, as it was probably the lowest you could go and not look like it was a buyout waiting to happen.  I fully admit I am rationalizing hoping that CDC really didn't WANT to hire Terry.

I'm on the periphery of folks that are in the know and I have already heard the spend less on the coach and more on NIL since you have to reload every year anyway(and also add Toppin would have made a huge difference....right). I want to slap my forehead because that is the exact opposite of the situation.  you need a guy who can coach balls out, whip guys in to shape, and has a real implementation plan because he's going to be dealing with a new team every year(maybe 2). 

It is more like the NBA than it has ever been.  Having a system and ability to integrate players into that system is going to be the most valuable commodity.  ISO is not a system, IMO.

Posted
11 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I get this thought but I really think it all hinged on that elite eight "run".  My sense is CDC really didn't have the right guy on the hook but would have pressed if we bow out in the first or second round. And everyone that mattered liked RT and wanted to give him a chance.   The contract of 3M a year said it all though, as it was probably the lowest you could go and not look like it was a buyout waiting to happen.  I fully admit I am rationalizing hoping that CDC really didn't WANT to hire Terry.

I'm on the periphery of folks that are in the know and I have already heard the spend less on the coach and more on NIL since you have to reload every year anyway(and also add Toppin would have made a huge difference....right). I want to slap my forehead because that is the exact opposite of the situation.  you need a guy who can coach balls out, whip guys in to shape, and has a real implementation plan because he's going to be dealing with a new team every year(maybe 2). 

It is more like the NBA than it has ever been.  Having a system and ability to integrate players into that system is going to be the most valuable commodity.  ISO is not a system, IMO.

I agree.  I thought getting to the sweet sixteen got him the job.   As in once he got there it was over

Posted
31 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

At first I agreed with your last paragraph but in his aight that was the best moment to go big.  No buyout for beard. Of course we didn’t have to buyout Rodney’s contract either.  So essentially a very cheap transaction. 

i've been thinking on this as well.  To CTJ's point that billionaires didn't get that way by being foolish with money and won't think of a cheap transaction up front means they have bunch of money later...I still think CDC could potentially have kept some of his power dry with that move and contract.  he also kept people who liked RT personally happy. he can say he gave him a shot(argue over years all you want but the trend line is NO BUENO).

The downside is we got the joy of seeing it all play out as some expected.

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5 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

The name I heard two months ago, from a very circuitous route, which we would all be quite happy with, fits Gerry’s criteria. Now I’m getting interested. 

"I'm pissed, I'm stunned, it's Mark Few" - ztejas or somebody

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