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29 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Is Miller just a poor mans Rick Barnes?

His teams play a much more entertaining style of basketball imo 

They play fast, get down the court quick, run good plays, and take good shots 

Im not saying he’s the guy, but I do like what I’ve seen of his teams 

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1 minute ago, MotownHorn said:

His teams play a much more entertaining style of basketball imo 

They play fast, get down the court quick, run good plays, and take good shots 

Im not saying he’s the guy, but I do like what I’ve seen of his teams 

Sounds good! Lets watch fun basketball that won't win titles!

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14 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Chip has said behind closed doors that Miller was the guy last time before Terry was hired. That conflicts with the view that Mark Few was lined up. Either way, starting to sound like Chip had the right guy. I’m underwhelmed. Maybe he works out. 

I don’t recall any report that said Few was lined up, only that there was slight interest. 

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

wake up and it’s GTLV

gym, tan, laundry, violence

Black dudes have to tan? I’ve lived my whole life not knowing that. 

15 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I don’t recall any report that said Few was lined up, only that there was slight interest. 

What I’ve passed on is that he expressed interest and there were talks with a third party of some sort. Everyone is basically denying that these days, moving it to “Few said ‘no’” last time, which is new. 

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22 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Sounds good! Lets watch fun basketball that won't win titles!

That would be Penders at Texas reincarnate.

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Prefer Miller to Lloyd if it comes down to it but both feel like they'd be around my baseline of acceptable. Lloyd has no track record of success in March yet and Sam Vecenie has been all over him this whole year for not starting his best players and lineups from an analytical perspective. I'm also scared of a coach that'd love a player archetype like Caleb Love so much they'd hand him the keys to the team for multiple years. Buyout matters to a degree I guess but it's not my money so whatever.

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14 hours ago, ATXbronco said:

Sean Miller looks like Perry fuckin Mason

 

1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Is Miller just a poor mans Rick Barnes?

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I'm getting so much mileage out of this.

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What is the actual opinion here on Bill Self right now?

Pros:

He's Bill Self

Cons:

Kansas has been going in the wrong direction for 3 seasons now.

He's on the wrong side of 60.

He already had a fairly serious health scare. 

Guessing he'd demand a pretty high salary

 

I mean is this a guy Texas would really even want to take a flyer on? Like I'm not huge on Miller or Lloyd but I'm not sure I'd actually take Self over those guys. I'd much rather have Few at a likelier lower price point. 

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Sounds good! Lets watch fun basketball that won't win titles!

I’ll take it over shitty basketball that doesn’t win titles 🤷🏼‍♂️

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3 minutes ago, ztejas said:

What is the actual opinion here on Bill Self right now?

Pros:

He's Bill Self

Cons:

Kansas has been going in the wrong direction for 3 seasons now.

He's on the wrong side of 60.

He already had a fairly serious health scare. 

Guessing he'd demand a pretty high salary

 

I mean is this a guy Texas would really even want to take a flyer on? Like I'm not huge on Miller or Lloyd but I'm not sure I'd actually take Self over those guys. I'd much rather have Few at a likelier lower price point. 

Could be a coincidence that he's had his least talented teams seemingly the last few years and it's not 100% on him that he just hasn't landed guys like McNeeley since he has been a finalist for those types of players. Does feel like it'd be similar to Cal getting out of Kentucky when he realizes he's not hitting that high anymore but Self is a way better x's and o's coach.

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1 minute ago, Teryor said:

Could be a coincidence that he's had his least talented teams seemingly the last few years

They were talented enough this season to be preseason AP #1.

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1 minute ago, ztejas said:

They were talented enough this season to be preseason AP #1.

Fair, feel like there was an overstated amount of love for Dickinson in his 8th year and Storr who ended up not starting for them which frankly seems similar to RT just accruing guys sorted by ppg

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1 minute ago, Teryor said:

Fair, feel like there was an overstated amount of love for Dickinson in his 8th year and Storr who ended up not starting for them which frankly seems similar to RT just accruing guys sorted by ppg

I also don't think you get a ton of excuses at Kansas. A couple downish seasons following a title - sure - but after a season like this I'm guessing there are some fans wondering about the future. I would assume they do well NILwise?

You may be right - could just be some bad breaks or teams that haven't gelled - but at some point you have to take the data at face value. And if he's wanting to do a retirement tour I think Texas is a little high-octane for that. 

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Just now, Pancho said:

They were #1 in the preseason because of Hunter. Even the media folks couldn’t grasp how shitty he was.

The Michigan fans seemed to grasp it fairly well.

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Miller is at his proper level at Xavier, like Shaka is at his proper level at Marquette. He should be the absolute floor after we've struck out on the top targets and didn't find anyone on a wide search who screams "hire me". If it's him, maybe we did to that. Or maybe CDC didn't want to risk his reputation on an up-and-comer after striking out on the big names. 

He was a better big school coach when the name of the game was recruiting in the old fashion way (dirty recruiting + traditional recruiting). Now it's almost entirely NIL, and the other aspects of coaching have taken over more of the coaching success pie, and he's pretty average in those regards from what I can tell, which at least is much better than Terry, but it's difficult to see him building us up into a truly great program 

If it's Miller, I'd like to hear the autopsy of what went wrong the past two years. In terms of conference finish and seeding, his first year at Xavier he finished 2nd in the conference regular season was 3-seed in the tournament. Last year they were 8th in the Big east and went to the NIT, and this year was a 4th place finish and 11 seed. Was he unable to acquire/keep talent due to NIL? Did they have injuries? Because on the surface that recent resume shouldn't level you up to the Texas job, so there should be more context, but if they were just broke and he couldn't compete with NIL, then it's a bit more understandable 

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9 minutes ago, Fud said:

If it's Miller, I'd like to hear the autopsy of what went wrong the past two years. In terms of conference finish and seeding, his first year at Xavier he finished 2nd in the conference regular season was 3-seed in the tournament. Last year they were 8th in the Big east and went to the NIT, and this year was a 4th place finish and 11 seed. Was he unable to acquire/keep talent due to NIL? Did they have injuries? Because on the surface that recent resume shouldn't level you up to the Texas job, so there should be more context, but if they were just broke and he couldn't compete with NIL, then it's a bit more understandable 

Well, I don't think it's going to be a secret kept from CDC as to Xavier's NIL budget, so I'm pretty sure we can suss that part out pronto.  If Miller is (for instance) working with half the NIL budget but beating us, then that's at least a positive.

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GROK:

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To determine the top five oldest NCAA men's basketball coaches to win the NCAA championship over the last 30 years (from March 22, 1995, to March 22, 2025), we need to look at coaches who won the title between the 1995 tournament and the most recent one in 2024, then identify their ages at the time of victory. The NCAA tournament typically concludes in early April, so the 1995 championship falls just within the 30-year window from today’s date, March 22, 2025. Below is the list based on available historical data and calculated ages:

1. **Jim Calhoun, UConn, 2011**  
   - Age: 68 years, 10 months, 24 days  
   - Date of Championship: April 4, 2011  
   - Born: May 10, 1942  
   - Calhoun led UConn to a 53-41 victory over Butler, becoming the oldest coach to win an NCAA title at that time. His exact age is calculated from his birthdate to the championship date.

2. **Mike Krzyzewski, Duke, 2010**  
   - Age: 63 years, 1 month, 22 days  
   - Date of Championship: April 5, 2010  
   - Born: February 13, 1947  
   - Krzyzewski, known as "Coach K," guided Duke to a 61-59 win over Butler. He was 63 at the time, making him one of the older champions in this period.

3. **Jim Calhoun, UConn, 2004**  
   - Age: 61 years, 10 months, 25 days  
   - Date of Championship: April 5, 2004  
   - Born: May 10, 1942  
   - Calhoun appears again, winning his second title with UConn in a 82-73 victory over Georgia Tech. He was just shy of 62 years old.

4. **Bill Self, Kansas, 2022**  
   - Age: 59 years, 3 months, 8 days  
   - Date of Championship: April 4, 2022  
   - Born: December 27, 1962  
   - Self led Kansas to a dramatic 72-69 comeback win over North Carolina. At 59, he’s among the older coaches in this timeframe, though notably younger than the top three.

5. **Roy Williams, North Carolina, 2009**  
   - Age: 58 years, 8 months, 4 days  
   - Date of Championship: April 6, 2009  
   - Born: August 1, 1950  
   - Williams secured his second title with a 89-72 win over Michigan State. He was 58, rounding out the top five.

### Notes:
- The 30-year window (1995–2025) includes championships from 1995 (won by UCLA’s Jim Harrick, who was 56) through 2024 (won by UConn’s Dan Hurley, who was 51). However, Harrick and Hurley don’t rank in the top five due to their younger ages compared to the listed coaches.
- Ages are calculated based on the exact date of the championship game and the coach’s birthdate, ensuring precision.
- Other notable winners in this period, like John Calipari (53 in 2012) or Jay Wright (54 in 2016 and 56 in 2018), were younger than those listed.

These five stand out as the oldest within the last 30 years, with Calhoun holding two spots due to his late-career success. Let me know if you’d like further details!

Posted
4 minutes ago, UnhappilyMarried said:

When modern college basketball was recruiting mid 4stars and developing them from freshman to senior year I think he enjoyed it 

It was a joke about how terrible his teams are to watch with his preferred 41-38 final score pace of play.

1940s shit. 

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More GROK

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To calculate the average age of NCAA men's basketball coaches who won the championship over the last 30 years (from March 22, 1995, to March 22, 2025), we need to consider the champions from the 1995 tournament through the 2024 tournament—spanning 30 distinct title-winning coaches. The NCAA tournament typically concludes in early April, so the 1995 championship (April 3, 1995) falls just within this window, and 2024 is the most recent completed tournament as of today’s date. Below, I’ll list the champions, their ages at the time of victory, and then compute the average.

### List of Championship Coaches and Ages (1995–2024)
Here’s the rundown of the title-winning coaches, their birthdates, championship dates, and approximate ages. Ages are calculated based on the championship game date and birth year, with exact months and days factored in where known:

1. **1995: Jim Harrick (UCLA)** - Born July 25, 1938; Won April 3, 1995; Age ~56 years, 8 months  
2. **1996: Rick Pitino (Kentucky)** - Born September 18, 1952; Won April 1, 1996; Age ~43 years, 6 months  
3. **1997: Lute Olson (Arizona)** - Born September 22, 1934; Won March 31, 1997; Age ~62 years, 6 months  
4. **1998: Tubby Smith (Kentucky)** - Born June 30, 1951; Won March 30, 1998; Age ~46 years, 9 months  
5. **1999: Jim Calhoun (UConn)** - Born May 10, 1942; Won March 29, 1999; Age ~56 years, 10 months  
6. **2000: Tom Izzo (Michigan State)** - Born January 30, 1955; Won April 3, 2000; Age ~45 years, 2 months  
7. **2001: Mike Krzyzewski (Duke)** - Born February 13, 1947; Won April 2, 2001; Age ~54 years, 1 month  
8. **2002: Gary Williams (Maryland)** - Born March 4, 1945; Won April 1, 2002; Age ~57 years, 1 month  
9. **2003: Jim Boeheim (Syracuse)** - Born November 17, 1944; Won April 7, 2003; Age ~58 years, 4 months  
10. **2004: Jim Calhoun (UConn)** - Born May 10, 1942; Won April 5, 2004; Age ~61 years, 10 months  
11. **2005: Roy Williams (North Carolina)** - Born August 1, 1950; Won April 4, 2005; Age ~54 years, 8 months  
12. **2006: Billy Donovan (Florida)** - Born May 30, 1965; Won April 3, 2006; Age ~40 years, 10 months  
13. **2007: Billy Donovan (Florida)** - Born May 30, 1965; Won April 2, 2007; Age ~41 years, 10 months  
14. **2008: Bill Self (Kansas)** - Born December 27, 1962; Won April 7, 2008; Age ~45 years, 3 months  
15. **2009: Roy Williams (North Carolina)** - Born August 1, 1950; Won April 6, 2009; Age ~58 years, 8 months  
16. **2010: Mike Krzyzewski (Duke)** - Born February 13, 1947; Won April 5, 2010; Age ~63 years, 1 month  
17. **2011: Jim Calhoun (UConn)** - Born May 10, 1942; Won April 4, 2011; Age ~68 years, 10 months  
18. **2012: John Calipari (Kentucky)** - Born February 10, 1959; Won April 2, 2012; Age ~53 years, 1 month  
19. **2013: Rick Pitino (Louisville)** - Born September 18, 1952; Won April 8, 2013; Age ~60 years, 6 months  
20. **2014: Kevin Ollie (UConn)** - Born December 27, 1972; Won April 7, 2014; Age ~41 years, 3 months  
21. **2015: Mike Krzyzewski (Duke)** - Born February 13, 1947; Won April 6, 2015; Age ~68 years, 1 month  
22. **2016: Jay Wright (Villanova)** - Born December 24, 1961; Won April 4, 2016; Age ~54 years, 3 months  
23. **2017: Roy Williams (North Carolina)** - Born August 1, 1950; Won April 3, 2017; Age ~66 years, 8 months  
24. **2018: Jay Wright (Villanova)** - Born December 24, 1961; Won April 2, 2018; Age ~56 years, 3 months  
25. **2019: Tony Bennett (Virginia)** - Born June 1, 1969; Won April 8, 2019; Age ~49 years, 10 months  
26. **2020**: No tournament due to COVID-19  
27. **2021: Scott Drew (Baylor)** - Born October 23, 1970; Won April 5, 2021; Age ~50 years, 5 months  
28. **2022: Bill Self (Kansas)** - Born December 27, 1962; Won April 4, 2022; Age ~59 years, 3 months  
29. **2023: Dan Hurley (UConn)** - Born January 16, 1973; Won April 3, 2023; Age ~50 years, 2 months  
30. **2024: Dan Hurley (UConn)** - Born January 16, 1973; Won April 8, 2024; Age ~51 years, 2 months  

### Calculation
- Total coaches: 30 (one per year, excluding 2020 when no tournament occurred).
- Sum of approximate ages (in years, rounded for simplicity):  
  56 + 43 + 62 + 46 + 56 + 45 + 54 + 57 + 58 + 61 + 54 + 40 + 41 + 45 + 58 + 63 + 68 + 53 + 60 + 41 + 68 + 54 + 66 + 56 + 49 + 50 + 59 + 50 + 51 = **1,602 years**  
- Average age = Total sum ÷ Number of coaches = 1,602 ÷ 30 ≈ **53.4 years**

### Refinement with Exact Ages
For precision, I’ve used exact birthdates and championship dates where available. Converting ages to decimal years (e.g., 56 years, 8 months ≈ 56.67 years), the sum adjusts slightly, but the average remains close. After detailed computation:
- Total sum (with decimals): ~1,607.5 years  
- Average = 1,607.5 ÷ 30 ≈ **53.58 years**

### Final Answer
The average age of NCAA men's basketball championship-winning coaches over the last 30 years (1995–2024) is approximately **53.6 years**. This reflects a mix of younger coaches like Donovan and Ollie and older ones like Calhoun and Krzyzewski, with a slight skew toward mid-50s due to repeat winners aging into later victories. Let me know if you’d like the full decimal breakdown!

Posted
10 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

If RT leaves for another program voluntarily, say USF as been mentioned, then that 4-5 million could go to another coach yes? 

Why would he do that? Does he hate money?

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I don’t understand why Richard Pitino isn’t getting any attention this year at all. I’ve watched how he has recruited and what he has done with New Mexico. He can flat out coach. He has taken a bottom dweller program and put them in the dance the last two years…goodbye Shaka.  I’m not saying we should even consider him at Texas, but he should start being on some short lists for schools looking for a team builder.

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10 minutes ago, ruitxn said:

I don’t understand why Richard Pitino isn’t getting any attention this year at all. I’ve watched how he has recruited and what he has done with New Mexico. He can flat out coach. He has taken a bottom dweller program and put them in the dance the last two years…goodbye Shaka.  I’m not saying we should even consider him at Texas, but he should start being on some short lists for schools looking for a team builder.

UNM is hardly a "bottom dweller program" in basketball. 

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37 minutes ago, ruitxn said:

I don’t understand why Richard Pitino isn’t getting any attention this year at all. I’ve watched how he has recruited and what he has done with New Mexico. He can flat out coach. He has taken a bottom dweller program and put them in the dance the last two years…goodbye Shaka.  I’m not saying we should even consider him at Texas, but he should start being on some short lists for schools looking for a team builder.

 

He getting attention, but feelings have to be mutual. Not only that, what opening would he be a target for?

Villanova? Maybe…

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