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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not sure.  Has NIL been a part of the problem under Rodney Terry?

I wouldn't know, but it could probably be better.  My limited understanding is that our floor is higher than most, but I would still assume that there is a direct correlation between having program buy-in and NIL contributions, at least for those who make sport specific donations.

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46 minutes ago, idigTexas said:

Does hiring the guy from Drake reinforce the suggestion that we're really serious about men's basketball?  I'm not sure it does, and I would assume that it would impact how much NIL is available.  CDC needs to hire someone who will generate excitement.  I have confidence that he will.

 

35 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not sure.  Has NIL been a part of the problem under Rodney Terry?

Winning basketball games is the best thing for NIL fundraising. Whatever coach is hired will be sure to set the minimums they want for NIL backing as that is now part of coaching negotiations. If the Drake guy is hired and says he needs X amount commitment from boosters to win as a baseline and that is met and he comes in and starts winning then the willingness from boosters will only increase that NIL pool.

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From what people have posted, it sounds like a big issue is that Terry isn't a natural salesman. If McCollum has some charisma and can coach a winning team, NIL should be fine, even if he doesn't currently have star power.

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6 minutes ago, texifornia said:

From what people have posted, it sounds like a big issue is that Terry isn't a natural salesman.

That’s a little surprising considering his career has been made off his recruiting ability.  

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2 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

That’s a little surprising considering his career has been made off his recruiting ability.  

I guess I should rephrase. Natural fundraiser. Doesn't seem like the money guys connect with him.

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28 minutes ago, MrX said:

Florida hired Todd Golden who only had head coaching experience at Pacific. Look at where he has them in year three. 

Year three, ya say?  How long of a leash would a new coach get here?  This is only Terry's second full season.  Is showing improvement from year to year enough (obviously, Terry is failing in that respect)?  Also, Golden is 0-2 in the NCAA tournament, and 0-1 in the NIT.  He may turn out to be great, but I'm not sure he is the best example to make your point.    

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2 minutes ago, texifornia said:

I guess I should rephrase. Natural fundraiser. Doesn't seem like the money guys connect with him.

I think they’ve been withholding for the same reason @SL Xpress and others have gone over-they’ve been expecting Terry to underperform and will be more willing to stake the next guy, who CDC will sell as a veteran program builder.  
 

This is beating a very dead horse, but Beard had the folks I know involved with football NIL very excited and as basketball will be starved unless the program has a coach that can compete with Sark on performance and/or personal charisma. 

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6 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

I think they’ve been withholding for the same reason @SL Xpress and others have gone over-they’ve been expecting Terry to underperform and will be more willing to stake the next guy, who CDC will sell as a veteran program builder.  
 

This is beating a very dead horse, but Beard had the folks I know involved with football NIL very excited and as basketball will be starved unless the program has a coach that can compete with Sark on performance and/or personal charisma. 

Beard was such a perfect fit. I remember seeing the video of him at the Gone To Texas event where he addresses the throng of incoming students screaming at the top of his lungs into the microphone that he's a proud graduate of the University of Texas. You could say I got a little choked up. 

It was practically inevitable Terry was going to be a letdown barring some kind of miraculous transformation on his part. The miracle didn't happen. 

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Well he’s never coming back. The “I jerk off to Chris Beard with my tears” posts need to find their place somewhere besides the coaching search thread. Because he’s not a candidate 

He screwed us, not the other way around. Stop acting like a jilted ex 

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28 minutes ago, idigTexas said:

Year three, ya say?  How long of a leash would a new coach get here?  This is only Terry's second full season.  Is showing improvement from year to year enough (obviously, Terry is failing in that respect)?  Also, Golden is 0-2 in the NCAA tournament, and 0-1 in the NIT.  He may turn out to be great, but I'm not sure he is the best example to make your point.    

(My bad. He was at San Francisco not Pacific.)

I was simply circling back on the larger point that if a guy can coach, the NIL money will follow soon after…so Texas should not necessarily rule out the guy at Drake because he happens to be coaching at Drake.  He’s not my first choice but he should at least be considered.

Todd Golden took over a Florida program in 2022 that looks to be equivalent to where Texas will likely be after this season - middling SEC program with no tournament appearance after making the Round of 32 the year before and having a wildly mediocre coach depart.

Also, while I consider this Year 3 for Terry considering he coached a vast majority of 2022-2023, there is no question Texas is going backward right now whether this is Year 2 or Year 3.


 

 

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44 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

That’s a little surprising considering his career has been made off his recruiting ability.  

 

Talking to a group of wealthy White donors is a little different than talking to a Black recruit and his parents who live in Missouri City. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Pancho said:

 

Talking to a group of wealthy White donors is a little different than talking to a Black recruit and his parents who live in Missouri City. 

I was actually going to include that but thought it was a little presumptuous considering no one I talk to has mentioned it.  I think Rodney Terry would have been fine raising funds from white folks* but his program looks disorganized, his resume isn’t there to tell a different story, and the performance of the team is underwhelming.  I think all of those are more material than race in the NIL donor calculus.  
 

Honestly, that’s probably what gets him canned, not missing the tournament (although everything is connected).  Kind of like Herman, CDC is going to see via donor disinterest that recruiting is going to be tough and it’s downhill from here.

 

*I’ll add that connecting to black parents and selling the “I can be a mentor” in a more natural way because of race and cultural connection is partly why Rodney Terry was hired as an assistant.  The template donors are used to is the head coach as the CEO and the assistants as big brothers, in part because that’s how they run their orgs, and Terry being good at that part but not others kind of reinforces the idea that he’s peter principled as a head coach.  

Posted
1 hour ago, idigTexas said:

Year three, ya say?  How long of a leash would a new coach get here?  This is only Terry's second full season.  Is showing improvement from year to year enough (obviously, Terry is failing in that respect)?  Also, Golden is 0-2 in the NCAA tournament, and 0-1 in the NIT.  He may turn out to be great, but I'm not sure he is the best example to make your point.    

The RT situation is different. If the program goes through a full reset, a new coach will get four years unless he's a complete disaster. Shaka went 11-22 in year two, went ofer in year three, missed the tournament in year four, and was brought back for year five.

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7 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

The RT situation is different. If the program goes through a full reset, a new coach will get four years unless he's a complete disaster. Shaka went 11-22 in year two, went ofer in year three, missed the tournament in year four, and was brought back for year five.

That is a valid point, but I'm not sure our fanbase has the patience for another "wait and see" situation.  Whoever we get needs to have enough of a proven track record to get the benefit of the doubt, or needs to demonstrate early that he is up to the task.  

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Well he’s never coming back. The “I jerk off to Chris Beard with my tears” posts need to find their place somewhere besides the coaching search thread. Because he’s not a candidate 

He screwed us, not the other way around. Stop acting like a jilted ex 

Why? I enjoy rooting against him, even if he ends up being successful, which I assume he will be. 

I don't understand why it makes you so butt hurt that I was enamored with him while he was here, and felt betrayed - like a jilted ex - when he was arrested for domestic assault. Rodney Terry was never going to make me forget about him. Hopefully this next coach will. 

I certainly don't consider him a candidate. I don't want him anywhere near the UT basketball program unless it's to get pummeled as the coach of the opponent. But I sure enjoyed his tenure - as short lived as it was - while he was here. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, tbh. 

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14 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

The RT situation is different. If the program goes through a full reset, a new coach will get four years unless he's a complete disaster. Shaka went 11-22 in year two, went ofer in year three, missed the tournament in year four, and was brought back for year five.

But we also got stuck in a bad contract thanks to fucking Perrin 

Posted
19 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

Shaka went 11-22 in year two, went ofer in year three, missed the tournament in year four, and was brought back for year five.

Shaka doesn't get 6 years under CDC.

Not sure he even gets hired.

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Posted
23 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Shaka doesn't get 6 years under CDC.

Not sure he even gets hired.

He literally did though. The fact that Shaka wasn't even a CDC hire helps my point.

If CDC "gets his guy" again, he isn't gonna fire him after year 3 barring something like three straight losing seasons.

Posted
44 minutes ago, idigTexas said:

That is a valid point, but I'm not sure our fanbase has the patience for another "wait and see" situation.  Whoever we get needs to have enough of a proven track record to get the benefit of the doubt, or needs to demonstrate early that he is up to the task.  

Basketball is third fiddle and the the fanbase at large isn't the basketball forum. Again, see Shaka Smart.  Some of us wanted his ass gone after year two, but I don't think Joe Longhorn really cared either way until maybe Abilene Christian.

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3 hours ago, MrX said:

Texas should not necessarily rule out the guy at Drake because he happens to be coaching at Drake.

correct. we should rule him out because he’s been the HC at drake for three total months and therefore *does not meet the qualifications* of anyone whom cdc would consider. 

i’ve made this post before, but it’s as if people think that the basketball coach holds practice a few times a week, coaches his two games a week, and that’s that. well that’s not that. it’s so so so much more.

the HC at the University off Texas is like a high paid ceo of a fortune 500 company, and it doesn’t really matter how awesome the guy in the mail room is, he’s not up for the ceo job should it become vacant.

being the head men’s basketball coach at Texas is a 60-80 hr/week job (sometimes more) that involves recruiting (and all of the insanity that comes with it in the NIL era), working the transfer portal, fund raising, philanthropy, hiring and managing assistants and support staff, implementing a strength and conditioning program, managing fragile teenage egos and emotions, making sure everyone’s grades and attendance are on point, drumming up fan support and attendance, scheduling, keeping A LOT of shit in house that you don’t want going public…and so much more.

a guy proving to be adept with x’s and o’s and winning at a level where they play in HS gyms where no one is watching does not mean he is ready or even capable of taking on the job of HC at the University of Texas. the parts of the job that the public is privy to make up only a fraction of what the job in its entirety entails.

this is why ben mccollum is not a candidate for this job. this is why he will need multiple years as a HC at the D-1 level before programs much smaller than Texas will offer him the job at their school. i mean he hasn’t even shown he can recruit yet, as the majority of his current drake team came with him and has been playing together for years. 

for all the complaining here lately about chris beard and rick barnes being brought up, at least those guys actually coached here and are pertinent to these conversations. if there’s one guy we all should stop talking about it’s ben mccollum, because the guy is simply not qualified to even interview for this job. 

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3 minutes ago, Derka said:

this is why ben mccollum is not a candidate for this job. this is why he will need multiple years as a HC at the D-1 level before programs much smaller than Texas will offer him the job at their school. i mean he hasn’t even shown he can recruit yet, as the majority of his current drake team came with him and has been playing together for years. 

 

Yeah, CDC will want someone who:

Has coached at a P4 school
Has built a program at at least one P4 school (if not 2 programs, but one does not have to be P4)
Has NCAA postseason success

Beard matched all that - program builder at UALR (and made the NCAAT) and then at Tech (3 NCAA tournaments and an E8 and runner up finish)

He was just easy to hire because this was his dream job.  But the resume of the next coach will be similar. 

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8 minutes ago, Derka said:

correct. we should rule him out because he’s been the HC at drake for three total months and therefore *does not meet the qualifications* of anyone whom cdc would consider. 

i’ve made this post before, but it’s as if people think that the basketball coach holds practice a few times a week, coaches his two games a week, and that’s that. well that’s not that. it’s so so so much more.

the HC at the University off Texas is like a high paid ceo of a fortune 500 company, and it doesn’t really matter how awesome the guy in the mail room is, he’s not up for the ceo job should it become vacant.

being the head men’s basketball coach at Texas is a 60-80 hr/week job (sometimes more) that involves recruiting (and all of the insanity that comes with it in the NIL era), working the transfer portal, fund raising, philanthropy, hiring and managing assistants and support staff, implementing a strength and conditioning program, managing fragile teenage egos and emotions, making sure everyone’s grades and attendance are on point, drumming up fan support and attendance, scheduling, keeping A LOT of shit in house that you don’t want going public…and so much more.

a guy proving to be adept with x’s and o’s and winning at a level where they play in HS gyms where no one is watching does not mean he is ready or even capable of taking on the job of HC at the University of Texas. the parts of the job that the public is privy to make up only a fraction of what the job in its entirety entails.

this is why ben mccollum is not a candidate for this job. this is why he will need multiple years as a HC at the D-1 level before programs much smaller than Texas will offer him the job at their school. i mean he hasn’t even shown he can recruit yet, as the majority of his current drake team came with him and has been playing together for years. 

for all the complaining here lately about chris beard and rick barnes being brought up, at least those guys actually coached here and are pertinent to these conversations. if there’s one guy we all should stop talking about it’s ben mccollum, because the guy is simply not qualified to even interview for this job. 

Great coaches have been hired at programs far better than Texas that either didn't have HC experience prior, didn't coach at D1 level, and etc. You ruling a guy out that has a championship pedigree to go for flashy names is the most Texas thing ever.

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1 hour ago, CurlyDumps said:

He literally did though. The fact that Shaka wasn't even a CDC hire helps my point.

If CDC "gets his guy" again, he isn't gonna fire him after year 3 barring something like three straight losing seasons.

He really didn't. Shaka was extended through 2023 (maybe the dumbest extension ever handed out at Texas in any sport) before CDC ever stepped foot on campus. So he had to deal with that bullshit from the jump. 2020 was likely Smart's last chance after '18 and '19 but COVID let him off the hook. Then he got canned after 2021 (or he left or however Shaka likes phrasing it). 

There is no way that anyone at Texas with CDC at the helm, playing at Moody in the NIL era is getting a 4th season if this is what they put together:

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But - I don't think whoever CDC's "guy" is would put together something that shittastic.

RT's job is very clearly on the line right now and in his first full season Texas actually won a tournament game and was competitive in a game to make the 2nd weekend. And CDC DID hire him. 

Posted
8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Great coaches have been hired at programs far better than Texas that either didn't have HC experience prior, didn't coach at D1 level, and etc.

Give us some examples and tell us how those coaches worked out. And I'm not counting stuff like Scheyer who played at Duke and was the associate-HC and defacto HCIW for 5 years under K.

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9 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Give us some examples and tell us how those coaches worked out. And I'm not counting stuff like Scheyer who played at Duke and was the associate-HC and defacto HCIW for 5 years under K.

Roy Williams - Kansas

Tom Izzo - Michigan St

Dean Smith - North Carolina

Scott Drew - Valparaiso(1 year)


 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Roy Williams - Kansas

Assistant at UNC for a decade where they made the elite eight 6 times. And that was almost 40 years ago. 

And yeah, @Js1 did my Izzo homework for me. 

I dont think Derka is saying Texas wouldnt consider a guy that's been the head assistant at a blueblood during a highly successful period. But it would have to be an exception.

And coaching Texas in 2025 is more demanding than Kansas in '88 or Michigan State in the 90s. There is so much more bullshit to deal with. 

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10 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Assistant at UNC for a decade where they made the elite eight 6 times. And that was almost 40 years ago. 

And yeah, @Js1 did my Izzo homework for me. 

I dont think Derka is saying Texas wouldnt consider a guy that's been the head assistant at a blueblood during a highly successful period. But it would have to be an exception.

And coaching Texas in 2025 is more demanding than Kansas in '88 or Michigan State in the 90s. There is so much more bullshit to deal with. 

No, Derka is clearly ruling him out. 

Texas is exactly the type of program that should actually take a flyer on a guy like McCollum. We're clearly not anywhere close to blueblood status so go get a young coach with a championship pedigree and let him build a program. Give him all the resources he needs to be successful and if the wins come then so does increase NIL money and resources. If we hit on the guy and he proves to the winner his resume says he is we have a coach for the next 10-20 years unless he tries his hand at the NBA.

 

Also there isn't much of a difference in taking a gamble on an assistant currently on a staff(even one that has been on staff for years) vs a young championship pedigree coach. Neither are proven commodities as HC's so some will work out and some will not work out for both. 

 

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5 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Assistant at UNC for a decade where they made the elite eight 6 times. And that was almost 40 years ago. 

What if we hired an assistant coach from during our prime Barnes years.  Hmmm who could we hire? What about Rodney Terry???  Or perhaps Frank Haith???

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Posted
1 minute ago, HookEm said:

What if we hired an assistant coach from during our prime Barnes years.  Hmmm who could we hire? What about Rodney Terry???  Or perhaps Frank Haith???

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4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

No, Derka is clearly ruling him out. 

Texas is exactly the type of program that should actually take a flyer on a guy like McCollum. We're clearly not anywhere close to blueblood status so go get a young coach with a championship pedigree and let him build a program. Give him all the resources he needs to be successful and if the wins come then so does increase NIL money and resources. 

 

CDC isn't putting his neck on the line for someone like McCollum. Maybe if he makes the Final Four this season or some shit. 

Coaching in D2 and coaching at Drake is completely different than coaching in the SEC at a school with decent history that has money and expectations. 

Posted
6 hours ago, idigTexas said:

Does hiring the guy from Drake reinforce the suggestion that we're really serious about men's basketball?  I'm not sure it does, and I would assume that it would impact how much NIL is available.  CDC needs to hire someone who will generate excitement.  I have confidence that he will.

Yeah I don't see the Drake guy being the hire because IMO the lack of enthusiasm for the program is RTs main sin. I think CDC is going to want a coach who plays an exciting brand of basketball.

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4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

CDC isn't putting his neck on the line for someone like McCollum. Maybe if he makes the Final Four this season or some shit. 

Coaching in D2 and coaching at Drake is completely different than coaching in the SEC at a school with decent history that has money and expectations. 

Bro hired Rodney Terry...

Coaching is coaching at the collegiate level. You all bitch so fucking much about lack of x's and o's for the past 10 years of Texas basketball(minus 1.25 years of Beard). Yet there is a championship pedigree coach that is renowned for his X's and O's capability and y'all write him off. 

 

Should Ohio State have not hired Jim Tressel? After all he never coached at the p5 level! He never coached at FBS level!

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Bro hired Rodney Terry...

he did not conduct a coaching search and come to the conclusion that rodney terry was the man for the job, he made a calculated decision (and it wasn’t him alone) to *retain* rodney terry after Texas made the elite 8 and all of our current and former players (not to mention a shit ton of cbb media types) were all clamoring for RT to get the job. the entire situation is an outlier.

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Just now, Derka said:

he did not conduct a coaching search and come to the conclusion that rodney terry was the man for the job, he made a calculated decision (and it wasn’t him alone) to *retain* rodney terry after Texas made the elite 8 and all of our current and former players (not to mention a shit ton of cbb media types) were all clamoring for RT to get the job. the entire situation is an outlier.

Doesn't matter...he made the hire. It was a shit hire.

Posted
1 minute ago, Derka said:

he did not conduct a coaching search and come to the conclusion that rodney terry was the man for the job, he made a calculated decision (and it wasn’t him alone) to *retain* rodney terry after Texas made the elite 8 and all of our current and former players (not to mention a shit ton of cbb media types) were all clamoring for RT to get the job. the entire situation is an outlier.

Thank you. Bringing up RT in this context is so dumb. Apples and oranges 

Posted
48 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yeah, CDC will want someone who:

Has coached at a P4 school
Has built a program at at least one P4 school (if not 2 programs, but one does not have to be P4)
Has NCAA postseason success

Beard matched all that - program builder at UALR (and made the NCAAT) and then at Tech (3 NCAA tournaments and an E8 and runner up finish)

He was just easy to hire because this was his dream job.  But the resume of the next coach will be similar. 

I don’t necessarily disagree with your take regarding CDC’s hiring criteria. If that’s the case, who fits it and how long is the list?  And what if they all decline?

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4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So Tommy Lloyd, Mick Cronin, OR BUST!

 

 

Those are about the only two coaches who meet that criteria that are attainable. If we have to compete with a North Carolina and Indiana, the field is much tougher. 

Is it?

We don't know for sure, but it's pretty obvious Indiana is going to shoot for Brad Stevens or Dusty May - bring guys from the state back to the state.  I don't think Texas is going to go after either of those guys.

No idea who UNC will go after, but it will be interesting to see if they go outside the "Carolina family" that Dean Smith was so famous for - every coach since he retired has either played for him or coached under him. 

Also why are those the ONLY two?

What about McCasland? 

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Yeah, CDC will want someone who:

Has coached at a P4 school
Has built a program at at least one P4 school (if not 2 programs, but one does not have to be P4)
Has NCAA postseason success

Beard matched all that - program builder at UALR (and made the NCAAT) and then at Tech (3 NCAA tournaments and an E8 and runner up finish)

He was just easy to hire because this was his dream job.  But the resume of the next coach will be similar. 

Reasonably attainable using above criteria


Tommy Lloyd, Arizona
Mick Cronin, UCLA
Dusty May, Michigan
TJ Otzelberger, Iowa St
Grant McCasland, Texas Tech
Pat Kelsey, Louisville
Todd Golden, Florida

I've seen people mention Will Wade but there is no way our compliance department would allow that. 

 

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