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1 hour ago, justhookit said:

So if it’s anything like the Panama Canal the canal pilots don’t do jack shit with regards to running the boat. They are there in an advisor role only. And you have to feed them a hot meal. (Don’t try to steal my fishing spots)

 

You have to hire those fuckers even for your little private pleasure craft from what I understand.

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2 hours ago, blacklab said:

Current carriers don't fit in the Panama Canal but do fit in the Suez

Subs do fit and get to go to the front of the line and get escorted by several boats full of seals.

 

I don't know if an SSBN has ever traversed the Suez or Panama, if they were out that far they'd be on a cruise and it would be really bizarre to broadcast the location of your nuclear deterrent to the world.  I do know that sometimes fast attack boats go through and during recent tensions with Iran they have sent SSGNs, which are the same size as the boomers, through the canal. 

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Boat I was on was stationed in Virginia and was getting decommissioned at Mare Island near San Francisco so we got to go through the canal.

We had a cookout topside. Jungle on either side of the canal in places is so thick you can only see a few feet in.

Only thing that sucked was we were on maneuvering watch the whole time so I was on my watch station for all but an hour over a 20 hour period and got to go topside for maybe 15 minutes.

 

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Nobody would be crazy enough to attack while in the canal...but if you know when it's going through the canal...you could conceivably track it into more open water in the Gulf or the Meditteranean.  But even then, I'm sure they dive deep after the shallow draw of the canal and make like a ghost.  I'm sure some rogue group of dipshits will try it some day, but as stated above...they don't make a regular habit of broadcasting when they're going through.  But I'm sure some canal master will get compromised one day. 

I ain't worried, but I did know a guy who jumped onto a submarine near there and rode it all the way onto Crete, or Cyprus, or Lesbos.  One of 'dem islands.  Salty bastard 

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17 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Don't you know anything.  When its high tide on one side of the flat earth,  it's low tide on the other.  The ocean is like a giant see saw going back and forth

What's keeping the water from falling into space at the edge of the flat world?

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Just saw this today:

The Panamanian-flagged, Japanese-owned, Taiwanese-operated ship... The Indian government and its seafarer's organizations fear the crew of 25...The National Union of Seafarers of India vowed solidarity with the crew...

So... Panama-legalized, Japanese-owned, Taiwanese-manged, Indian-crewed... shit it would take 30 minutes just to order the anchor up, never mind turn a steering wheel.  Mystery solved.

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Never been around one that big, but I've seen engine rooms that were multiple compartments. The cutter I served on had 2 Fairbanks Morse 12 cyl, 24 piston diesels. No heads, just 2 pistons heading toward each other to create compression. 

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19 minutes ago, RPM said:

Never been around one that big, but I've seen engine rooms that were multiple compartments. The cutter I served on had 2 Fairbanks Morse 12 cyl, 24 piston diesels. No heads, just 2 pistons heading toward each other to create compression. 

I think that engine was designed in about 1920, if I'm not mistaken.

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39 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Correction: the 30s.  Pretty omnipresent diesel engine for a while.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairbanks_Morse_38_8-1/8_diesel_engine

All I know is they blow up real good. We had a crankcase explosion and wound up cutting a huge hole in the starboard hull swapping blocks. 8 mos drydock. They designed a quick swap scenario for the gas turbines (you could do it in less than 36 hours), but forgot about the mains.

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1 hour ago, RPM said:

All I know is they blow up real good. We had a crankcase explosion and wound up cutting a huge hole in the starboard hull swapping blocks. 8 mos drydock. They designed a quick swap scenario for the gas turbines (you could do it in less than 36 hours), but forgot about the mains.

So that was the CODOG system?

I guess turbines are generally more compact and vibration free than a reciprocating diesel or steam engine and easier to replace.  I suppose they hoped to repair diesels in situ.  I know some marine/industrial diesels can develop quite a bit of crankcase pressure and if the exhausts/outlets get blocked, kablooie.

Whenever I contemplate this, I always think of the chinaman in Sand Pebbles.

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7 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

So that was the CODOG system?

I have no idea, I was a deck ape. But they expected to swap out gas turbines fairly regularly often and made it very easy. Remove 1 giant bulkhead panel directly above it and take it straight out with a crane. It was like playing Jenga getting that diesel block out. They basically installed them then built the ship around them.

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On 3/30/2021 at 8:15 PM, crash_davis said:

I would anyone thinking about attacking any US military boat/sub going through the Suez is just asking to get lit up. In addition to the ground intelligence and support, I imagine there would be immense aerial support watching every step of the way. But maybe not.

The concern is nonstate actors who do not give a shit if they go down in flames. Think U.S.S. Cole. and the damage done there.  Submarines at the surface with nowhere to go are quite vulnerable.

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1 hour ago, FartingMonk said:

Subs used to go through the Suez all the time.  Haifa israel is apparently a real cool liberty port

SSBNs would not while on patrol.  They are the at sea deterrent and they leave and return to their home port.  The Navy doesn’t cruise up to foreign ports and have 24 Trident II missiles floating in the harbor for everyone to ponder.

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14 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

SSBNs would not while on patrol.  They are the at sea deterrent and they leave and return to their home port.  The Navy doesn’t cruise up to foreign ports and have 24 Trident II missiles floating in the harbor for everyone to ponder.

Yeah.  The only port that a boomer will ever visit is homeport.  

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7 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

SSBNs would not while on patrol.  They are the at sea deterrent and they leave and return to their home port.  The Navy doesn’t cruise up to foreign ports and have 24 Trident II missiles floating in the harbor for everyone to ponder.

You realize there are people on this forum that have been deployed in the Navy, right?

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in a not-surprising development,  Egypt is holding onto the ship and its cargo as collateral against the $1+B dollars they are going to ask for in compensation for the fuckup

good luck to anyone getting anything off that cargo ship anytime in the next 3 years. 

the last time something similar happened was when the Suez canal was closed in the 1967 war with Israel.  it stayed closed until 1975.

The ships that were caught in the middle of the canal during the transit were not allowed to leave for all 8 years. 

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8 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

in a not-surprising development,  Egypt is holding onto the ship and its cargo as collateral against the $1+B dollars they are going to ask for in compensation for the fuckup

good luck to anyone getting anything off that cargo ship anytime in the next 3 years. 

the last time something similar happened was when the Suez canal was closed in the 1967 war with Israel.  it stayed closed until 1975.

The ships that were caught in the middle of the canal during the transit were not allowed to leave for all 8 years. 

I read a great article about that. Apparently they did end up letting the crews cycle on and off. When they finally lifted the blockade the ships couldn’t move under their own power. 
 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/akd5zg/the-last-time-the-suez-canal-was-blocked-a-utopian-communist-micronation-was-formed-at-sea

Would be fascinating to hear if some lawdawgs with maritime and admiralty law know what will end up happening in terms of claims.

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13 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

in a not-surprising development,  Egypt is holding onto the ship and its cargo as collateral against the $1+B dollars they are going to ask for in compensation for the fuckup

good luck to anyone getting anything off that cargo ship anytime in the next 3 years. 

the last time something similar happened was when the Suez canal was closed in the 1967 war with Israel.  it stayed closed until 1975.

The ships that were caught in the middle of the canal during the transit were not allowed to leave for all 8 years. 

Can't blame them

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They have said they will demand at least $1bn (£720m) in compensation for the losses resulting from the blockage.
In an interview with the privately-owned Sada el-Balad TV on Wednesday, SCA chairman Osama Rabie said that the Ever Given vessel would not leave the Great Bitter Lake, where it is currently being held, until the compensation was paid by the vessel's owner.


Ouch

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