UAP Pentagon Report (UFOs, Foo Fighters, Commie Drones)

[Brisketexan 105043]

18 minutes ago, synoptic said:

Super intelligent aliens that can travel faster than the speed of light and zip around our planet without breaking the sound barrier come and visit us but do not wish to make direct contact and thus cloak their presence.  Except they somehow get spotted and photographed all the time.  Their ability to break physical constants and possibly even transcend space and time dimensions apparently is no match for our advanced photograph technology (although they have managed to keep all photographs at poor resolution, so that's pretty impressive).  

For some counter points, they are not interested in us because the universe is big and old.  Obviously size and age are directly related to significance, like how 1 ton of mud is more interesting and significant than 1 pound of gold or a 1 ounce computer chip.  Of course, we would send a probe to any orb in the solar system as fast as possible if we had proof of even a single celled organism, but that’s different.  But they may want to come here anyway because water is probably very valuable to them, even though hydrogen and oxygen are two of the top three most abundant elements in the universe and presumably they haven’t figured out to combine them.   
 

You fail to account for the one, decisive variable:

Butt stuff.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21867]

23 minutes ago, synoptic said:

Super intelligent aliens that can travel faster than the speed of light and zip around our planet without breaking the sound barrier come and visit us but do not wish to make direct contact and thus cloak their presence.  Except they somehow get spotted and photographed all the time.  Their ability to break physical constants and possibly even transcend space and time dimensions apparently is no match for our advanced photograph technology (although they have managed to keep all photographs at poor resolution, so that's pretty impressive).  

For some counter points, they are not interested in us because the universe is big and old.  Obviously size and age are directly related to significance, like how 1 ton of mud is more interesting and significant than 1 pound of gold or a 1 ounce computer chip.  Of course, we would send a probe to any orb in the solar system as fast as possible if we had proof of even a single celled organism, but that’s different.  But they may want to come here anyway because water is probably very valuable to them, even though hydrogen and oxygen are two of the top three most abundant elements in the universe and presumably they haven’t figured out to combine them.   
 

They must be shitty engineers because according to the History channel and the internet their ships keep crashing here.  It's almost like their ships were designed by UT and built by aggy.

Edited April 12, 2021 by NeverMarryAStripper

[Steel Shank 9421]

I’m with Captain Kirk. I’d like to bone as many alien chicks as I can.

[CHIEF 5075]

6 hours ago, synoptic said:

Super intelligent aliens that can travel faster than the speed of light and zip around our planet without breaking the sound barrier come and visit us but do not wish to make direct contact and thus cloak their presence.  Except they somehow get spotted and photographed all the time.  Their ability to break physical constants and possibly even transcend space and time dimensions apparently is no match for our advanced photograph technology (although they have managed to keep all photographs at poor resolution, so that's pretty impressive).  

For some counter points, they are not interested in us because the universe is big and old.  Obviously size and age are directly related to significance, like how 1 ton of mud is more interesting and significant than 1 pound of gold or a 1 ounce computer chip.  Of course, we would send a probe to any orb in the solar system as fast as possible if we had proof of even a single celled organism, but that’s different.  But they may want to come here anyway because water is probably very valuable to them, even though hydrogen and oxygen are two of the top three most abundant elements in the universe and presumably they haven’t figured out to combine them.   
 

Hey, it happens to the best. Maybe they are violating Prime Directives:

CHIEF

Edited April 12, 2021 by CHIEF

[Doc Reeves 6434]

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We may not know the identities of all the mysterious craft that American military personnel and others have been seeing in the skies as of late, but I have seen more than enough to tell you that it is clear that a very terrestrial adversary is toying with us in our own backyard using relatively simple technologies—drones and balloons—and making off with what could be the biggest intelligence haul of a generation. While that may disappoint some who hope the origins of all these events are far more exotic in nature, the strategic implications of these bold operations, which have been happening for years, undeterred, are absolutely massive

Our team here at The War Zone has spent the last two years indirectly laying out a case for the hypothesis that many of the events involving supposed UFOs, or unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), as they are now often called, over the last decade are actually the manifestation of foreign adversaries harnessing advances in lower-end unmanned aerial vehicle technology, and even simpler platforms, to gather intelligence of extreme fidelity on some of America's most sensitive warfighting capabilities. Now, considering all the news on this topic in recent weeks, including our own major story on a series of bizarre incidents involving U.S. Navy destroyers and 'UAP' off the Southern California coast in 2019, it's time to not only sum up our case, but to discuss the broader implications of these revelations, what needs to be done about them, and the Pentagon's fledgling 'UAP Task Force' as a whole.

Yes, I realize that the idea that an adversary is penetrating U.S. military training areas unmolested, and has been for years, using lowly drone technology and balloons, is a big pill to swallow, but as one of the people who have repeatedly warned about the threat posed by lower-end drones for a decade—warnings that largely were dismissed by the Pentagon until drones made or altered in ramshackle ISIS workshops in a war zone were literally raining down bomblets on U.S. and allied forces in Iraq—it isn't really surprising at all. Nor is the fact that the Defense Department is still playing catch-up when it comes to the realities surrounding the drone threat, and not just to its forces abroad, but also to the homeland overall. The utter lack of vision and early robust interest in regards to this emerging threat will go down as one of the Pentagon's biggest strategic missteps of our time.

The gross inaction and the stigma surrounding unexplained aerial phenomena as a whole has led to what appears to be the paralyzation of the systems designed to protect us and our most critical military technologies, pointing to a massive failure in U.S. military intelligence. This is a blind spot we ourselves literally created out of cultural taboos and a military-industrial complex that is ill-suited to foresee and counter a lower-end threat that is very hard to defend against.

Before I move forward, I must state that just because I believe the evidence is compelling that many of the bizarre encounters with mysterious objects in the sky as of late, and especially those that the U.S. military is experiencing, emanate from peer-state competitors, not another dimension or another solar system, there are certainly well-documented cases of seemingly unexplainable events that have nothing to do with this type of capability. In other words, our conclusions do not come even close to answering the question of UAPs or UFOs as a whole, especially in terms of the many unexplained incidents in decades past. What they do is highlight an alarming new capability set and tactics that seem to have been allowed to be exploited with little response for years while the Pentagon scratched its head and shrugged, or even worse, turned largely a blind eye toward it. 

And that brings us to one of the biggest problems with this topic, as a whole—people expect one blanket and grand explanation for the entire UFO mystery to one day emerge. This is flawed thinking at its core. This issue is clearly one with multiple explanations due to the wide range of events that have occurred under a huge number of circumstances. This thinking must be changed as it limits our ability to solve some mysteries in the hopes of coming up with some fantastical monolithic explanation for every related mystery. So, accepting that there is likely a wide array of explanations to this notoriously abused topic will be absolutely key to successfully studying it and destigmatizing it in our culture, and especially within U.S. military and intelligence circles.

With that in mind, I also believe America's prevailing cultural issues and the general stigma surrounding UFOs was successfully targeted and leveraged by our adversaries, which helped these activities to persist far longer than they should have. In fact, I believe that those in power who snicker about credible reports of strange objects in the sky and stymie research into them, including access to classified data, have become a threat to national security themselves. Their lack of imagination, curiosity, and creativity appears to have built a near-perfect vacuum that our enemies could exploit and likely have exploited to an astonishing degree

Nearly two years ago, I wrote a widely circulated piece that addressed my thoughts on the Pentagon's sudden willingness to talk about UFOs and its potential implications. I went through the possibilities as I saw them, but above all else, it was clear that this wasn't some over-hyped myth. Something strange was indeed going on.

Soon after, we were the first to connect key technologies that had emerged around the time that sightings of certain types of mysterious UAPs began to accelerate amongst military personnel—in particular, Navy fighter pilots. This was largely based around new air defense data-fusion and networking capabilities being installed on Navy warships and aircraft, as well as the proliferation of Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars on Navy fighters and airborne early warning and control planes. We also noted that the most remarkable appearances of these objects seemed to correlate with major Navy exercises where these advances in air defense capabilities were being fully integrated across a Carrier Strike Group. In other words, it seemed that these mysterious craft had a very keen interest in America's latest and greatest operational counter-air capabilities.

We then got clarification from pilot witnesses on key claims about what they and their squadron mates had experienced before pursuing what was an inconvenient hypothesis for many—that at least some of what these aircrews and vessels were encountering were not an exotic unexplained phenomenon at all, but were in fact adversary drones and lighter-than-air platforms (balloons) meant to stimulate America's most capable air defense systems and collect extremely high-quality electronic intelligence data on them. And this is critical data, incidentally, that is very hard to reliably obtain otherwise. 

These radar emissions, and the datalink communications that go along with them, underpin highly networked counter-air architectures that are unmatched anywhere on earth. By gathering comprehensive electronic intelligence information on these systems, countermeasures and electronic warfare tactics can be developed to disrupt or defeat them. Capabilities can also be accurately estimated and even cloned and tactics can be recorded and exploited. The very signatures of these waveforms alone can be used to identify, classify, and geolocate them by adversary platforms during a time of war, providing a big leg-up when it comes to battlespace awareness.

We are talking about everything from common operating frequencies to highly-sensitive low-probability of intercept emissions tactics, to datalink encryption, to distinct radar modes and employment procedures here. In other words, this is among the most critical intelligence a peer-state enemy can obtain and there aren't many easy ways of doing it. Even in a war zone, where aircraft and their systems are operating potentially in the same general area as adversary intelligence-collection systems, using their full combat capabilities may be restricted to maintain the secrets of those critical capabilities. Proximity to the emitters in question and how long their emissions are exposed to an intelligence-gathering system is a major limitation, as well. Traditional espionage is another way adversaries look to gain information on these critical systems, as well, but nothing beats going out and actually sucking up the electronic signatures as best you can. Actually becoming the target of their interest takes the quality of intelligence collected to a whole other level.

The beginning of making the case for drones and balloons being the culprit for much of the recent UAP activity came when we posted an entire historical precedent for very similar operations dating back to the development of the A-12 Oxcart spy plane and the advent of modern electronic warfare itself. In essence, during the early 1960s, the CIA launched radar reflectors on balloons off Cuba's coastline via a U.S. Navy submarine and employed an electronic warfare system called PALLADIUM that would trick the latest Soviet radar systems into showing their operators that enemy aircraft were rushing toward Cuban shores or doing all types of crazy maneuvers. This coaxed the Cuban air defense system and its radars to light up and spurred rapid communications between air defenders on the island. 

The balloon-borne radar reflectors of different sizes also showed up on the Soviet radars, and by monitoring the targets that the radar operators concentrated on, and thus could detect, it was determined how sensitive their Soviet radar systems actually were. This provided critical information on the survivability of the Mach 3+ and somewhat stealthy A-12, but beyond that, it set a precedent of how electronic warfare and airborne targets could be used to prod an enemy's air defenses so that critical intelligence as to their capabilities could be determined—all without actually putting a pilot in the air at risk.

 

 

TLDR:

its drones. We need to get off our ass and get caught up.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos

[DonkeyCigars 144]

Didn't know this is where we got the misnomer "flying saucers" and the stereotypical UFO image:

It’s generally agreed that the modern U.F.O. era began on June 24, 1947, when a private aviator named Kenneth Arnold, while flying a CallAir A-2, saw a loose formation of nine undulating objects near Mt. Rainier. They had the shape of boomerangs or tailless manta rays, and in his estimation they moved at two to three times the speed of sound. He described their motion as that of a “saucer skipped over water.” A newspaper headline conjured “flying saucers.” By the end of the year, at least eight hundred and fifty similar domestic sightings had been reported, according to one independent U.F.O. investigator. Meanwhile, scientists asserted that flying saucers didn’t exist because they couldn’t exist. The Times quoted Gordon Atwater, an astronomer at the Hayden Planetarium, who attributed the flurry of reports to a combination of a “mild case of meteorological jitters” and “mass hypnosis.”

[BillyBadAss 189]

Can anyone recommend an objective ufo/alien documentary? I started watching Unacknowledged but it's full of propaganda techniques and other misleading bs.

Edited May 12, 2021 by BillyBadAss

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On 4/15/2021 at 10:59 PM, Doc Reeves said:

TLDR:

its drones. We need to get off our ass and get caught up.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos

I keep thinking it probably is drones, the Pentagon doesn't know who they belong to, so they are basically trying to crowd-source this shit.  Or they know it's Russians/Chinese/etc. and are just putting their shit on blast in a way.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

8 hours ago, BillyBadAss said:

Can anyone recommend an objective ufo/alien documentary? I started watching Unacknowledged but it's full of propaganda techniques and other misleading bs.

the only one I honestly felt like was kinda compelling was the Doc on Bob Laser. Guy never waivers from his story, refuses to take any money for his story (even paying for his own plane ticket to go plug the doc on Joe Rohan) and his life has genuinely/undeniably been fucked. 

I think it’s still on Netflix 
 

 

[nineliveslost 2753]

12 hours ago, BillyBadAss said:

Can anyone recommend an objective ufo/alien documentary? I started watching Unacknowledged but it's full of propaganda techniques and other misleading bs.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

Video newly confirmed by Pentagon of UAF tracking USS Omaha in 2019 and performing a splashdown.

 

 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

More from the recent “60 Minutes” report.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-05-14/

Pilots reported seeing UAF “every day” between 2014-2015 off the US East coast

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

On 5/12/2021 at 8:11 AM, Doc Reeves said:

the only one I honestly felt like was kinda compelling was the Doc on Bob Laser. Guy never waivers from his story, refuses to take any money for his story (even paying for his own plane ticket to go plug the doc on Joe Rohan) and his life has genuinely/undeniably been fucked. 

I think it’s still on Netflix 
 

 

Wait, who's the romance interest ?  I don't see a hot, scientist chick, with glasses (Zoe Dechanel comes to mind).. That's a non starter for me.

[Neonmoon 38129]

Can we not get a closer picture from the military?

[crash_davis 23096]

1 hour ago, Doc Reeves said:

Video newly confirmed by Pentagon of UAF tracking USS Omaha in 2019 and performing a splashdown.

 

 

fucking lulz. that thing dropping into the water is awesome. definitely not man made.

[Hagbard Celine 10848]

On 5/11/2021 at 10:40 PM, BillyBadAss said:

Can anyone recommend an objective ufo/alien documentary? I started watching Unacknowledged but it's full of propaganda techniques and other misleading bs.

https://www.amazon.com/Out-Blue-Definitive-Investigation-Phenomenon/dp/B0070DERD6/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/140-6762569-5138753?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0070DERD6&pd_rd_r=f514d569-5204-4821-8ee5-85728583ced8&pd_rd_w=HcWNL&pd_rd_wg=pdAvA&pf_rd_p=fd3ebcd0-c1a2-44cf-aba2-bbf4810b3732&pf_rd_r=DFYSMDCHHQ1D6WSSFHMP&psc=1&refRID=DFYSMDCHHQ1D6WSSFHMP

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On 5/12/2021 at 7:11 AM, Doc Reeves said:

the only one I honestly felt like was kinda compelling was the Doc on Bob Laser.

Bob Lazar is an interesting dude but there is nothing at S-4.

Area 19 ?

 

follow the power

[Doc Reeves 6434]

3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Can we not get a closer picture from the military?

word is there are some crazy pics that may come out including the famous “Cavine Object” one from Scotland in 1990 which shows a 100’ diamond shaped object and British fighter jet tracking it. I may be mistaken but I believe the pic was published in the Sun. UK intelligence set out to see if it was genuine and after they confirmed the pic was real, all traces of the pic were confiscated. For a time they hung a blown up copy of the photo in the Intelligence devision of the ministry of defense until it was removed. It’s the basis for the “I want to believe” poster in Fox Mulder’s office in X-Files.

the thing that made it so tantalizing it that one of the scientists who was brought in to research the pic said that by sheer coincidence the BAF fighter pilot also took a picture from his cockpit of the object in less that 1/4 sec as the pic from the ground. Both pics together provided incredible clarity of an object that may have had strange symbols visible on it. That jet photo has never been seen and many are hopeful it might be released. 
 

Ministry of Defense scientist with upper security clearance who saw the photo talks about it:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6144270/ufo-sighting-cavine-scotland-aliens-ministry-of-defence/

this is a made made mock up approximation of the photo as described by people who have seen it:

 

Edited May 15, 2021 by Doc Reeves

[Parliament 14227]

9 hours ago, Doc Reeves said:

More from the recent “60 Minutes” report.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-05-14/

Pilots reported seeing UAF “every day” between 2014-2015 off the US East coast

 

If it was that common, it lends credence to a more terrestrial explanation; like the Russians/Chinese having some kind hot new drone.  And the US Military is letting the UFO angle play out to cover for the fact that we have no counter to it.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

5 minutes ago, Parliament said:

If it was that common, it lends credence to a more terrestrial explanation; like the Russians/Chinese having some kind hot new drone.  And the US Military is letting the UFO angle play out to cover for the fact that we have no counter to it.

I thought about this angle too and, honestly, it’s the explanation that I’m personally leaning toward but that opens a whole new can of worms in that that would make UAFs a clear threat to National security so denying or patting over the sightings would be pretty shitty. 

It’s wrong to hide clear and present dangers to the country from the US public 
 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, Doc Reeves said:

I thought about this angle too and, honestly, it’s the explanation that I’m personally leaning toward but that opens a whole new can of worms in that that would make UAFs a clear threat to National security so denying or patting over the sightings would be pretty shitty. 

It’s wrong to hide clear and present dangers to the country from the US public 
 

Wasn't there a link in a  a post upstream abut this being Russian or Chinese, and the UAFs are their way of gathering intel about our weapons systems, comm alerts, and protocols, etc.  by monitoring how we respond to the little buggers ?

[Chet Steadman 940]

I get the automatic default to Russia/China but don’t these things supposedly move at speeds which are, at best, the extreme upper limits of what we would hope to accomplish in the next 100+ years?

I have a hard time believing we’re that far behind technologically.  

[CooterBrown 18001]

Russia and China can’t build a fucking car than can go 100 miles without needing repairs. You expect them to build vehicles capable of pushing the limits of, and in some cases breaking, the laws of physics?

[Neonmoon 38129]

It seems the US has been releasing more and more info the past couple years. 

[atomheartbevo 89618]

2 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Wasn't there a link in a  a post upstream abut this being Russian or Chinese, and the UAFs are their way of gathering intel about our weapons systems, comm alerts, and protocols, etc.  by monitoring how we respond to the little buggers ?

1 hour ago, Chet Steadman said:

I get the automatic default to Russia/China but don’t these things supposedly move at speeds which are, at best, the extreme upper limits of what we would hope to accomplish in the next 100+ years?

I have a hard time believing we’re that far behind technologically.  

1 hour ago, CooterBrown said:

Russia and China can’t build a fucking car than can go 100 miles without needing repairs. You expect them to build vehicles capable of pushing the limits of, and in some cases breaking, the laws of physics?

The interesting thing to me is that a shitload of this is happening over international waters, where we really can't go blasting away.

It just doesn't seem like the ones buzzing the US Navy ships are making their way inland, to where we could actually have a chance (and right) to shoot them down.

[WhatTheBuck 28771]

On 4/5/2021 at 2:30 PM, Brisketexan said:

So....this doesn't answer the question....does God know when you masturbate or not?

Another thing...if you have a teenage daughter who bought her own hairbrush with a fat round handle, she might not be using it just to brush her hair.

Edit: And that’s okay. Stay out of her business. 

Edited May 16, 2021 by WhatTheBuck

[WhatTheBuck 28771]

14 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Can we not get a closer picture from the military?

They use the term “unidentified” for a reason.

[Parliament 14227]

9 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Wasn't there a link in a  a post upstream abut this being Russian or Chinese, and the UAFs are their way of gathering intel about our weapons systems, comm alerts, and protocols, etc.  by monitoring how we respond to the little buggers ?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos

 

Yep, and I missed it.  Navy fighters have some kinda hot new radar, and the Communists might be purposely "stimulating" it to see what all it can do.

[XYZ 2154]

8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

The interesting thing to me is that a shitload of this is happening over international waters, where we really can't go blasting away.

It just doesn't seem like the ones buzzing the US Navy ships are making their way inland, to where we could actually have a chance (and right) to shoot them down.

Maybe they do shoot them down, but those are the ones that we don’t hear about.

[Hagbard Celine 10848]

We are 75 years in to the modern ufo/uap era.   100,000+ sightings worldwide.  There have been similarities between sightings.   Saucers, cigars, "airships", etc. etc.

The key to unlocking the question is that, other than the same phenomena observed by multiple people at the same time, less than 1/100th of 1% of all sightings have been a repeat of the exact/same characteristics of a prior sighting (shape, size, color, lights, behavior, etc.).

Tens of thousands of different uap.

Noodle on that.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

10 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

Russia and China can’t build a fucking car than can go 100 miles without needing repairs. You expect them to build vehicles capable of pushing the limits of, and in some cases breaking, the laws of physics?

 

For me it’s an occams razor question. I can admit there is a real chance these could possibly be extraterrestrial, however that chance is fairly low unless there is much more direct and clear evidence that has been kept secret that I’ve never seen.

Another possibility I’m leaning toward a little more is that after WWII a generational new technology could have hypothetically been acquired by the Russians who have been developing in total secrecy. 

I realize that too is just an assumption without evidence but it feels plausible to me keeping in mind Arther C Clark’s 3rd Law: “Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

 

/CSB

Still, I’ve written on here before once about a ret. Gen. my dad and I knew at Ft. Hood. He was an old Cold War warrior and had had the highest level security clearance while working at the pentagon. One time (circa ‘97/‘98), a friend asked him “so are there aliens at area-51?”
He replied “I’d tell you but I’d have to kill you! Hahahahaha!” To which my friend replied “why would you have to kill me if the answer was ‘no’?”

the Gen got quite and gave a steely glare like he was angry and we thought the question may have insulted him. He then gave us some cryptic advice about people in power and finished with “you guys will eventually know what’s going on, just be patient”

that shit made my heart flutter. He certainly didn’t say there were aliens or anything but from that time on I knew for certain something was going on. I’ve never told that story until after the pentagon confirmed UAPs are real. 

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Doc Reeves

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapel_perilous

hagbard celine (red pill/agnostic)

[Neonmoon 38129]

10 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

For me it’s an occams razor question. I can admit there is a real chance these could possibly be extraterrestrial, however that chance is fairly low unless there is much more direct and clear evidence that has been kept secret that I’ve never seen.

Another possibility I’m leaning toward a little more is that after WWII a generational new technology could have hypothetically been acquired by the Russians who have been developing in total secrecy. 

I realize that too is just an assumption without evidence but it feels plausible to me keeping in mind Arther C Clark’s 3rd Law: “Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

Let me get this straight. You think it’s more plausible that sufficiently advanced technology that is indistinguishable from magic was developed by the Russians instead of let’s say...an advances alien race?

 

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9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

It just doesn't seem like the ones buzzing the US Navy ships are making their way inland, to where we could actually have a chance (and right) to shoot them down.

You have an object that defies the laws of physics with no obvious means of propulsion and you're going to shoot at it?

[Doc Reeves 6434]

26 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Let me get this straight. You think it’s more plausible that sufficiently advanced technology that is indistinguishable from magic was developed by the Russians instead of let’s say...an advances alien race?

 

well, by humans somehow. My idea certainly isn’t the best because I feel like if Russia had a generational new tech, they would have strapped a nuke to it and told us all about it during the Cold War since they basically would have won.

I don’t really know what the answer is but I’m just trying to keep my eyes terrestrial until there is more direct, overwhelming evidence.  ive got to admit, it’s getting harder and harder tho. There is a very solid ‘maybe’ in my mind.

[WhatTheBuck 28771]

1 hour ago, XYZ said:

Maybe they do shoot them down, but those are the ones that we don’t hear about.

If they shot them down then they would be identified from the wreckage. 

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6 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

I don’t really know what the answer is but I’m just trying to keep my eyes terrestrial until there is more direct, overwhelming evidence.

it is possible to keep "terrestrial" in play if you shift from "elsewhere" to "elsewhen"

however events like betty & barney hill remain in the "elsewhere" category

[Doc Reeves 6434]

10 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

it is possible to keep "terrestrial" in play if you shift from "elsewhere" to "elsewhen"

however events like betty & barney hill remain in the "elsewhere" category

Yeah, I mean you’re not wrong. 
 There’s some very tantalizing evidence. That 1947 pentagon report that was accidentally released un-redacted a few years back describing a piece of nickel/titanium alloy “memory metal” that was was being sent to a private company for study was pretty big in my mind. I mean, they talk in detail about its properties and that they want the company to figure out a way to reproduce it.

If it is visitors  and we become aware of them then we are the luckiest humans to have ever lived, no hyperbole.

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1 hour ago, RPM said:

You have an object that defies the laws of physics with no obvious means of propulsion and you're going to shoot at it?

I don't give a shit what Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan are pushing on their shows, there ain't no UFO (edit: from anybody) that is diving into the water and then moving 600 mph through the water.  

And seriously, all this advanced technology and they are hyper-focused on the US Navy?

Yeah, it's Russians or Chinese.

Edited May 16, 2021 by atomheartbevo

[RPM 26315]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

there ain't no UFO that is diving into the water and then moving 600 mph through the water.  

Yeah, it's Russians or Chinese.

You don't think alien technology can pull it off, but the Russians and Chinese can?

[atomheartbevo 89618]

I've had multiple relatives passing around Tucker Carlson clips about UFOs.

He literally said it's a "story we should have spent a lot more time on, because this could be the most consequential thing to happen to this country, this world, maybe ever!" and "according to Elizondo we will find an intelligence failure on the part of the us intel community on the level of 9/11."

Annoying as shit.  They could just pass around the clips without Tucker getting excited.

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1 minute ago, RPM said:

You don't think alien technology can pull it off, but the Russians and Chinese can?

I don't think they are moving 600mph through the water.  

Or even 200mph or 100mph.

[atomheartbevo 89618]

We deploy drones from submarines, and have pretty stealthy subs.  Don't see why the Russians or Chinese wouldn't be deploying drones from subs.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I don't think they are moving 600mph through the water.  

Or even 200mph or 100mph.

Well, the military absolutely does. 

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10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I don't think they are moving 600mph through the water.  

Or even 200mph or 100mph.

 

6 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

Well, the military absolutely does. 

[atomheartbevo 89618]

600mph through the water would be pretty noisy.  And would be pretty amazing from a physics POV, but maybe they've found out how to transform the properties of water.

Again, all of this amazing technology seems to be focused on seeking out the US Navy.  Occam's Razor.  It's somebody that's wanting to get a solid measure of the Navy's capabilities, knowing that if they pop up with some high-tech wizardry, the US Navy ships/aircraft will turn on any and all sensors/radar they can to figure out what it is.

[Longhorn94 2448]

Uhhh if they have all that amazing technology, why would they give a flying fuck what the US Navy do in response?

 

Given what we have seen, it just simply wouldn't matter.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

29 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I've had multiple relatives passing around Tucker Carlson clips about UFOs.

He literally said it's a "story we should have spent a lot more time on, because this could be the most consequential thing to happen to this country, this world, maybe ever!" and "according to Elizondo we will find an intelligence failure on the part of the us intel community on the level of 9/11."

Annoying as shit.  They could just pass around the clips without Tucker getting excited.

Without going Cloak, Trump and his supporters interest in this is to tap into the library of huge conspiracy theories surrounding UFOs and the “deep state/ new world order” bullshit. 

UAP are a real thing that have been happening and have been kept secret. That is now established fact that has been admitted to by the US DOD.  

those people are now positioning themselves to jump on this story and slant the military’s program as undermining and subverting a US public who might fall for that load of horse shit since it is now unfamiliar with how the military conducted itself procedurally during the Cold War.

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9 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

Uhhh if they have all that amazing technology, why would they give a flying fuck what the US Navy do in response?

 

Why are they so hyper-focused on the Navy?  Why aren't we seeing all of these UFOs over the cities, flying over our highways, our factories, etc.  

Why aren't they flying hundreds of missions over our nuclear missile silos and Air Force bomber bases? Or over the areas where we test our latest and greatest? 

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Why are they so hyper-focused on the Navy?  Why aren't we seeing all of these UFOs over the cities, flying over our highways, our factories, etc.  

Why aren't they flying hundreds of missions over our nuclear missile silos and Air Force bomber bases? Or over the areas where we test our latest and greatest? 

Narrator:

they are.