UAP Pentagon Report (UFOs, Foo Fighters, Commie Drones)

[Steel Shank 9338]

8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Well, I'm sure the missus appreciates you shifting from your usual laser-like focus on your short game to go long.

fuckin a

[ABSR 5275]

3 hours ago, Goredho said:

Riddle me this, star children...

If an extra-terrestrial species were masters of physics and could manipulate its laws to bend space-time so as to allow them to traverse distances hundreds or thousands of light years far...

How come they can't approach our level of stealth technology so as to stay out of the Weekly World News?

Are you saying they became all being masters of time, space and dimension.   And you want to know why of all the wild and crazy things, those jerks wanted to go to Europe?

[ChickenNuggets 1606]

I like how we have a pretty strong fundamental understanding of physics at this point through our standard model of particle physics with a pretty sound understanding of Gravity at scale that match all observational evidence for the last 100 years (and a growing understanding of gravity at quantum levels). Yet we think a magical race of aliens can modify the laws of physics to their whim with untold energy sources available through human-sized aircraft. 

I'm in the nay camp. There's a rational explanation for all of this that does not involve aliens or Steel Shanks "long" member...

[956 Worldwide 34019]

3 hours ago, Goredho said:

Riddle me this, star children...

If an extra-terrestrial species were masters of physics and could manipulate its laws to bend space-time so as to allow them to traverse distances hundreds or thousands of light years far...

How come they can't approach our level of stealth technology so as to stay out of the Weekly World News?

In seriousness, there are pretty robust and well-resourced unclassified and non-government programs dedicated specifically to searching for evidence of extraterrestrial life and intelligence. The fact that it’s never those guys that find them, it’s always t people who have to keep secrets or people who aren’t systematically looking for them that see them…..is a pretty strong argument against visitors. 

[Rudiger 1148]

14 minutes ago, ChickenNuggets said:

I like how we have a pretty strong fundamental understanding of physics at this point through our standard model of particle physics with a pretty sound understanding of Gravity at scale that match all observational evidence for the last 100 years (and a growing understanding of gravity at quantum levels). Yet we think a magical race of aliens can modify the laws of physics to their whim with untold energy sources available through human-sized aircraft. 

I'm in the nay camp. There's a rational explanation for all of this that does not involve aliens or Steel Shanks "long" member...

I’m in the nay camp too, but I must have been napping when we made an advance significant enough to qualify as a “growing understanding” of quantum gravity. 

[Smax 3799]

3 minutes ago, ChickenNuggets said:

I like how we have a pretty strong fundamental understanding of physics at this point through

 

Do we? 

I would say we don't, to keep it in mathematics perspective, I would bet we are closer to second/third graders who are just learning multiplication then we are to AP high school classes on calculous/trig and that's not even advanced mathematics. We've only been flying for a little over 100 years, this isn't meant to take anything away from Einstein Hawking or any other great physicist but in the grand scheme of the universe, we are children.

 

I do believe there is intelligent life out there and I also believe we have been visited but if we the US have had possession of an alien spacecraft for the past 80 years, we better have reversed engineered some bad ass tech from it.

[ChickenNuggets 1606]

7 minutes ago, Rudiger said:

I’m in the nay camp too, but I must have been napping when we made an advance significant enough to qualify as a “growing understanding” of quantum gravity. 

quantum field theory.. I said it's growing...

Edit: my IQ is insufficient to really go deeper than this... Mindscape podcast with Sean Carroll is a pretty good source of info lol. 

Edited July 28, 2023 by ChickenNuggets

[Rudiger 1148]

5 minutes ago, ChickenNuggets said:

quantum field theory

I must have been taking another nap when they figured out the mathematics for that. 

[ChickenNuggets 1606]

8 minutes ago, Smax said:

 

Do we? 

I would say we don't, to keep it in mathematics perspective, I would bet we are closer to second/third graders who are just learning multiplication then we are to AP high school classes on calculous/trig and that's not even advanced mathematics. We've only been flying for a little over 100 years, this isn't meant to take anything away from Einstein Hawking or any other great physicist but in the grand scheme of the universe, we are children.

 

I do believe there is intelligent life out there and I also believe we have been visited but if we the US have had possession of an alien spacecraft for the past 80 years, we better have reversed engineered some bad ass tech from it.

Yeah, I hear ya. But weren't we hoping the large hadron collider would break our understanding of physics but instead it's pretty much affirmed what we know? I think we have a pretty good theoretical understanding of the universe that matches observations. I would bet alien civilizations have as much difficulty funding their NASAs as we do.. instead promoting social causes, military spending, etc... I don't think advanced civilizations last millions of years... I bet they only last a few thousand. And that's not enough time to populate the galaxy due to extreme distances and limits on light speed, etc.

I still think if we are visited, it'll be by some probe that was launched thousands of years ago, operating off advanced AI, without aliens onboard, by some race that went extinct long ago.

[ChickenNuggets 1606]

3 minutes ago, Rudiger said:

I must have been taking another nap when they figured out the mathematics for that. 

aside from all the sleep you're getting, what do you think aliens know that we don't?

[Rudiger 1148]

Just now, ChickenNuggets said:

aside from all the sleep you're getting, what do you think aliens know that we don't?

I think our knowledge of physics on the grand scheme of things is so elementary that we’re not even close to knowing what we don’t know. 

One way of looking at Newton’s explanation of gravity is to say he got it mostly right. Another is to say he wasn’t even close. 
 

To me, saying we’re close to theory of everything, if only we could reconcile general relativity and quantum mechanics, is like saying Ptolemy was close to a theory of everything, he just had to work out that pesky retrograde motion. 

[PRONG HORN 3084]

43 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The fact that it’s never those guys that find them, it’s always t people who have to keep secrets or people who aren’t systematically looking for them that see them…..is a pretty strong argument against visitors. 

 

The fact?

 

12 minutes ago, ChickenNuggets said:

aside from all the sleep you're getting, what do you think aliens know that we don't?

 

 

There are planets that have about 8 billion years head start of evolution on us.  

 

 

[Smax 3799]

2 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

There are planets that have about 8 billion years head start of evolution on us.  

 

 

 

 

More then that based on new data on the age of the universe

[ChickenNuggets 1606]

5 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

The fact?

 

 

 

There are planets that have about 8 billion years head start of evolution on us.  

 

 

check out david kipping. He's got an interesting response to that. He's an astrophysicist at Columbia University. 

[ChickenNuggets 1606]

8 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

The fact?

 

 

 

There are planets that have about 8 billion years head start of evolution on us.  

 

 

highly radiated planets with no atmospheres orbiting red dwarf stars... haha

[ztejas 42819]

(Presumptions abound below - I am speaking on what I personally believe having pored over this stuff for years)

The craft that they fly works basically by bending gravity around it to generate propulsion. So they sort of "fall" through or are pulled through space - like you had a huge vacuum in front of a speck of dust that stayed in front of the speck the entire time. 

This is in contrast to the propulsion we have developed that pushes the craft in question.

It would stand to reason they can travel FTL. If they are from another planet/galaxy in our universe they would almost assuredly have to. 

What typically fucks their shit up (reportedly) is lightning. They can be extremely advanced in ways beyond our comprehension - yet fairly similarly advanced in other ways. 

Imagine human tech as a radial chart like this:

They would have their own radial chart. In some directions they may blow us out of the fucking water. In others - like navigating alien planets flawlessly or withstanding the absolutely obscene power that comes from lightning strikes - they could be fairly comparable to us. In fact - earth lightning could potentially fuck their shit up way worse than it does to stuff like airplanes. Maybe they don't have lightning where they're from. 

Assuming that they are omnipotent, flawless, masters of the universe just because they have tech that we don't is silly. A dolphin is much, much smarter than a bluefin tuna. But that tuna is stronger and can swim faster. 

 

Also - thanks for the discussion, all. This is a fun thread. I don't think I'm right about everything - I entertain the idea that I'm wrong about a lot of it - and I don't want to make anyone feel like I'm demeaning their ideas or theories. But this is something I'm very, very passionate about and as such I am very well versed and researched. 

Edited July 28, 2023 by ztejas

[We’reTexas 1467]

 

[wild_turkey 3086]

Riddle me this, star children...
If an extra-terrestrial species were masters of physics and could manipulate its laws to bend space-time so as to allow them to traverse distances hundreds or thousands of light years far...
How come they can't approach our level of stealth technology so as to stay out of the Weekly World News?

I lean in the direction that aliens have NOT visited earth, but if they had, I think a simple answer to your question is that interstellar travel takes a very long time.

Suppose they originally sent visitors to scout Earth 100 years ago. Whatever tech they had in 1923 would have been easily able to evade our detection capabilities at that time. Our tech significantly improved over the past 100 years, and the aliens would not be able to instantly upgrade their hardware over a distance of light years to counter the advances we made. It could take them hundreds or thousands of years to send new shit here.

Or maybe it’s not a priority for them at all because they’ve long since found more important stuff to focus on, and they’re fine leaving their old shit here to confuse us, because honestly, wtf are we gonna do? Go after them?

But again, I’m in the camp that aliens exist somewhere in the universe but probably not anywhere near us.

[Bevo 13440]

2 hours ago, ChickenNuggets said:

check out david kipping. He's got an interesting response to that. He's an astrophysicist at Columbia University. 

Well, yeah, but ask him about Alien porn.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4962]

12 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

I lean in the direction that aliens have NOT visited earth, but if they had, I think a simple answer to your question is that interstellar travel takes a very long time.

Suppose they originally sent visitors to scout Earth 100 years ago. Whatever tech they had in 1923 would have been easily able to evade our detection capabilities at that time. Our tech significantly improved over the past 100 years, and the aliens would not be able to instantly upgrade their hardware over a distance of light years to counter the advances we made. It could take them hundreds or thousands of years to send new shit here.

Or maybe it’s not a priority for them at all because they’ve long since found more important stuff to focus on, and they’re fine leaving their old shit here to confuse us, because honestly, wtf are we gonna do? Go after them?

But again, I’m in the camp that aliens exist somewhere in the universe but probably not anywhere near us.

Proxima centauri is less than five light years away and believed to have habitable planets. Assuming they have technology to travel at close to light speed, it wouldn't be a stretch for an life there to have made multiple trips back and forth.

[PRONG HORN 3084]

2 hours ago, ChickenNuggets said:

highly radiated planets with no atmospheres orbiting red dwarf stars... haha

 

They didn't start out that way.  

[ztejas 42819]

I love the self-assured posters in here that have done basically zero research.

 

Again, check these out:

 

Shows:

NASA's unexplained files

UFOs: Investigating the unknown

Hangar 1: The UFO Files

 

Docs:

The Phenomenon

Moment of Contact

 

Take a look at all of that and then get back to me. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21765]

You left Ancient Aliens off of your list, Giorgio is offended.

[Goredho 17181]

I’m curious, has anyone here had any personal UFO/UAP experiences here?  I have.   Back in 1980, when I was 10.  I saw something completely inexplicable from our porch about an hour before dawn.  Completely inexplicable until 2011 when I saw my first civilian drone.

Sorry, I’m pretty sure you believers didn’t get abducted by Aliens and and anal probed.  It’s far more likely you just got roofied at a gay bar.

[ztejas 42819]

31 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

You left Ancient Aliens off of your list, Giorgio is offended.

Ancient Aliens is pulp at its finest. I enjoy the show and it's great to fall asleep to but overall most of it is absurd.

[hayden_horn 11311]

9 hours ago, Steel Shank said:

I'm blaming the aliens for my having 37 putts yesterday

in a row?

[shakahorn 1608]

I'm blaming the aliens for my having 37 putts yesterday

Hayden beat me to it.

[wild_turkey 3086]

Proxima centauri is less than five light years away and believed to have habitable planets. Assuming they have technology to travel at close to light speed, it wouldn't be a stretch for an life there to have made multiple trips back and forth.

Sure, but that assumes that:
A) the aliens came from the next closest solar system
B) they are traveling close to light speed

We have no idea if either of those are true. It’s equally possible they come from farther away and travel slower, which could easily explain why their tech doesn’t update quickly to match our tech.

[Nivek 16691]

11 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

I lean in the direction that aliens have NOT visited earth, but if they had, I think a simple answer to your question is that interstellar travel takes a very long time.

Suppose they originally sent visitors to scout Earth 100 years ago. Whatever tech they had in 1923 would have been easily able to evade our detection capabilities at that time. Our tech significantly improved over the past 100 years, and the aliens would not be able to instantly upgrade their hardware over a distance of light years to counter the advances we made. It could take them hundreds or thousands of years to send new shit here.

Or maybe it’s not a priority for them at all because they’ve long since found more important stuff to focus on, and they’re fine leaving their old shit here to confuse us, because honestly, wtf are we gonna do? Go after them?

But again, I’m in the camp that aliens exist somewhere in the universe but probably not anywhere near us.

I hate to break it to you but aliens crashed in Aurora, Texas.   They settled south of their crash site,  where they shared their cold fusion tech and taught inbred country boys to salute dogs.  

[T-shirt Sip 2091]

18 hours ago, Goredho said:

Riddle me this, star children...

If an extra-terrestrial species were masters of physics and could manipulate its laws to bend space-time so as to allow them to traverse distances hundreds or thousands of light years far...

How come they can't approach our level of stealth technology so as to stay out of the Weekly World News?

Maybe they do and reserve it for their fighter crafts similar to how we do. We have aircraft with stealth capabilities but none of our interstellar crafts do. We have lots of shit zooming through outer space and we didn't think it was necessary to hide them.   

[Mikey4 2476]

19 hours ago, Goredho said:

Riddle me this, star children...

If an extra-terrestrial species were masters of physics and could manipulate its laws to bend space-time so as to allow them to traverse distances hundreds or thousands of light years far...

How come they can't approach our level of stealth technology so as to stay out of the Weekly World News?

As a preface, I'm pretty convinced that the crafts spotted by pilots have terrestrial explanations and that the whistlebower's claims will be debunked with investigation. But to address your question....

Think about the steps of the Drake equation. We should expect that habitable planets are more common than planets with life, planets with life are more common than planets with intelligent life, and, probably, planets with intelligent life are more common than planets with intelligent life and the capability to detect and shoot down spacecraft.

So assume that an intelligent civilization studies star systems like we do -- detects exoplanets and does spectral analyses to look for chemical signatures consistent with life -- and then sends scouts out to explore interesting planets. They may do this for thousands of years or longer without ever encountering planets in that last category -- where intelligent life could detect and shoot down their crafts. In that case, it would be logical for the crafts not be equipped with stealth tech... because why would they need it?

[SquishMitten 10373]

On 7/26/2023 at 3:14 PM, crash_davis said:

bro, do you even non-human biologics?

He didn’t say they weren’t terrestrial biologics though. There are a lot of things on earth that have non-human biologics. We’ve sent monkeys to space after all. 

[Smax 3799]

take from it what you will

 

 

 

[Goredho 17181]

I think the real discussion to be had here is not about little green men visiting from space, but what it means that someone on earth possesses a technology with potential military application that supersedes our own.  We haven't been in that position in a long time, and our superpower status and interventionist policies since the end of WWII have put a target on our back.  It is probably imperative to understand what these things are to find potential counters and get back to technological parity if not dominance.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4962]

Also, the existence of government programs that don't answer to Congress, the President, or the Judicial. There has to be oversight somewhere.

[CHIEF 5045]

So, how long until they put a Buc-ee's on Pluto?

CHIEF

[ABSR 5275]

14 hours ago, Goredho said:

I’m curious, has anyone here had any personal UFO/UAP experiences here?  I have.   Back in 1980, when I was 10.  I saw something completely inexplicable from our porch about an hour before dawn.  Completely inexplicable until 2011 when I saw my first civilian drone.

Sorry, I’m pretty sure you believers didn’t get abducted by Aliens and and anal probed.  It’s far more likely you just got roofied at a gay bar.

This is a horrible and disgusting possibility.

For safety sake can you list off these gay bars including addresses and hours of operation....for safety's sake.

[atomheartbevo 89053]

20 hours ago, Smax said:

I do believe there is intelligent life out there and I also believe we have been visited but if we the US have had possession of an alien spacecraft for the past 80 years, we better have reversed engineered some bad ass tech from it.

It gives you instant access to all of the world's knowledge and news, all of the world's pornography, it's got an amazing camera for the size, and it allows you to shit-talk people halfway around the world who don't even speak the same language as you. And it's got a flashlight.

I'm just saying...

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[atomheartbevo 89053]

18 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

I lean in the direction that aliens have NOT visited earth, but if they had, I think a simple answer to your question is that interstellar travel takes a very long time.

Suppose they originally sent visitors to scout Earth 100 years ago. Whatever tech they had in 1923 would have been easily able to evade our detection capabilities at that time. Our tech significantly improved over the past 100 years, and the aliens would not be able to instantly upgrade their hardware over a distance of light years to counter the advances we made. It could take them hundreds or thousands of years to send new shit here.

I see somebody has read Harry Turtledove.

[Smax 3799]

43 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

It gives you instant access to all of the world's knowledge and news, all of the world's pornography, it's got an amazing camera for the size, and it allows you to shit-talk people halfway around the world who don't even speak the same language as you. And it's got a flashlight.

I'm just saying...

 

 

 

I thought about current tech before I posted and if what is out there, what we know is it, highly disappointing 

[ChickenNuggets 1606]

4 hours ago, Goredho said:

I think the real discussion to be had here is not about little green men visiting from space, but what it means that someone on earth possesses a technology with potential military application that supersedes our own.  We haven't been in that position in a long time, and our superpower status and interventionist policies since the end of WWII have put a target on our back.  It is probably imperative to understand what these things are to find potential counters and get back to technological parity if not dominance.

I don't see this as legit... European powers don't spend enough, Russia is clueless and bankrupt half the time, and China only has what we developed, albeit like 2 months after we develop it... 

I think this is all misdirection from the US... hiding in plain site new tech. 

[ChickenNuggets 1606]

astrophysicist at Columbia... He's been exoplanet hunting for years and is queued up with James Webb telescope exploring alien atmospheres for signs of life. I tend to agree with him... 

[atomheartbevo 89053]

12 minutes ago, Smax said:

I thought about current tech before I posted and if what is out there, what we know is it, highly disappointing 

And it would always be used for porn first.

[ChickenNuggets 1606]

^^^ This is true... anti-gravity sex??? i mean... dayum

[Smax 3799]

25 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

And it would always be used for porn first.

 

[atomheartbevo 89053]

37 minutes ago, Smax said:

 

Those early 90s mobile phones?

You could safely call the sexy 1-900 numbers from the comfort of your car, and not worry about your spouse accidentally listening in on, or seeing the charges show up on the household phone bill.

[cmontexas 3227]

8 hours ago, Nivek said:

I hate to break it to you but aliens crashed in Aurora, Texas.   They settled south of their crash site,  where they shared their cold fusion tech and taught inbred country boys to salute dogs.  

Kenneth Copeland?

[PRONG HORN 3084]

1 hour ago, ChickenNuggets said:

Russia is clueless and bankrupt half the time, and China only has what we developed, albeit like 2 months after we develop it... 

 

 

Ruskis aren't the clueless ones.  It's the Chinese who are clueless and that's why they have to steal it.  Designing super advanced tech requires creativity to complement the pure technical stuff.  Russians are a very artistic, creative, and poetic people.  Chinese are not.  They aren't allowed to be.  Both Commies but creative expression is at least still highly encouraged and valued in Russian culture.  In China creativity (not thinking like everyone else) is viewed as a potential threat.  

 

Edited July 28, 2023 by PRONG HORN

[Tailgate 2981]

Head of Harvard’s department of psychology. Dig deeper into this story and his books if you are inclined. Muy intersante. 
 

 

[Homercles 10205]

I think they’re real, and the intergalactic probe crash landed in Lubbock wherein the aliens took one look around before promptly committing suicide.