UAP Pentagon Report (UFOs, Foo Fighters, Commie Drones)

[Dbeasy 14791]

So I’m very behind on this topic, but I guess there was this guy Grusch that testified before Congress basically saying we’ve got ufo’s and non human remains. Why isn’t there more discussion on this?

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4962]

Because certain factions within the government don't want the truth to get out, and have spent decades convincing the public that it is akin to some fringe conspiracy theory (helped out by a lot of legitimate conspiracy theorists) so that the leaks that inevitably do happen are dismissed out right. However, if you do actually spend a bit of time looking into the issue,there are actually loads of credible folks involved who have tried to get the truth out. So now we are left with a situation where a significant group of otherwise rational people can't take a rational look at the evidence and come up with their own conclusions due to preconceived biases based on decades long misinformation campaigns.

Now we have a former intelligence officer who's job it was to investigate this stuff blowing the whistle on governernment programs with no oversight. A whistleblower who has bipartisan backing that is unheard of in this political environment. And some of the congress critters fighting for disclosure are undeniably passionate about their beliefs, whether or not you agree with them. Take AOC, I'm sure that many folks here don't agree with her vision of how we ought to be doing things, but it is hard to deny that she has an honest passion for serving her constituents and doing what she thinks is right. Yet she is one of the ones leading the charge.

[atomheartbevo 89052]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

So I’m very behind on this topic, but I guess there was this guy Grusch that testified before Congress basically saying we’ve got ufo’s and non human remains. Why isn’t there more discussion on this?

Because he didn't personally witness any of this and it was all told to him?

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4962]

34 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Because he didn't personally witness any of this and it was all told to him?

Pretty much any investigative journalist interviews folks about whatever it is they are investigating and then reports their findings. This is the way that major news is broken all the time. How often are you this critical of them? Is this not the way that so many unjustified police shootings have been uncovered? Yes, they usually lead to hard evidence like body camera footage being released, but here we have a situation where people think that the evidence must be so far fetched that they form some sort of mental block that they are unwilling to wait for the actual hard evidence to be released before making judgement.

If you apply the same standard for much of the other groundbreaking news these days, it should pretty much all be dismissed. 

Edited July 29, 2023 by NotActuallyALonghorn

[NaTeWHO 838]

58 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Because certain factions within the government don't want the truth to get out, and have spent decades convincing the public THAT it is akin to some fringe conspiracy theory (helped out by a lot of legitimate conspiracy theorists) so THAT the leaks THAT inevitably do happen are dismissed out right. However, if you do actually spend a bit of time looking into the issue,there are actually loads of credible folks involved who have tried to get the truth out. So now we are left with a situation where a significant group of otherwise rational people can't take a rational look at the evidence and come up with their own conclusions due to preconceived biases based on decades long misinformation campaigns.

Now we have a former intelligence officer who's job it was to investigate this stuff blowing the whistle on governernment programs with no oversight. A whistleblower who has bipartisan backing THAT is unheard of in this political environment. And some of the congress critters fighting for disclosure are undeniably passionate about their beliefs, whether or not you agree with them. Take AOC, I'm sure THAT many folks here don't agree with her vision of how we ought to be doing things, but it is hard to deny THAT she has an honest passion for serving her constituents and doing what she thinks is right. Yet she is one of the ones leading the charge.

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Pretty much any investigative journalist interviews folks about whatever it is they are investigating and then reports their findings. This is the way THAT major news is broken all the time. How often are you this critical of them? Is this not the way that so many unjustified police shootings have been uncovered? Yes, they usually lead to hard evidence like body camera footage being released, but here we have a situation where people think THAT the evidence must be so far fetched that they form some sort of mental block THAT they are unwilling to wait for the actual hard evidence to be released before making judgement.

If you apply the same standard for much of the other groundbreaking news these days, it should pretty much all be dismissed.

Picking up what you're putting down, but stop typing THAT. It's incredibly distracting.

Here's a fun exercise, delete every THAT and reread your posts. Let me know how many added value.

[Neonmoon 38126]

8 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

So I’m very behind on this topic, but I guess there was this guy Grusch that testified before Congress basically saying we’ve got ufo’s and non human remains. Why isn’t there more discussion on this?

Humans are dumb and need the information rubbed in their face 

[Dbeasy 14791]

7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Because he didn't personally witness any of this and it was all told to him?

So what? This guy seems to be a respected, legitimate resource that was in a position to capture leaks from within these programs. And, he appears at this time to have no personal agenda. This story should be all over the news, imo, unless I’m missing something. 

[UTGrad98 2221]

I subscribe to the theory of Occam's razor. It's our tech. And has been for decades. Why is it Americans have the most ufo sightings.

[Captainant 26927]

21 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

So what? This guy seems to be a respected, legitimate resource that was in a position to capture leaks from within these programs. And, he appears at this time to have no personal agenda. This story should be all over the news, imo, unless I’m missing something. 

So you're telling me while we are dealing with an indicted former president that stole and sold and traded our deepest national secrets, something like this wouldn't have also leaked out? Gimmeafugginbreak

[Mikey4 2476]

6 hours ago, NaTeWHO said:

Picking up what you're putting down, but stop typing THAT. It's incredibly distracting.

Here's a fun exercise, delete every THAT and reread your posts. Let me know how many added value.

Derail alert:

I'm in the "that" camp. Over the years, I've read a lot of writing by the anti-that crowd, and removing all the thats is what I find distracting and borderline unreadable. Why? It differs from 80%+ of what I'm reading. So I stumble over awkward clauses and then remember, "oh yeah, this guy is deleting all the thats," mentally re-insert the missing that, and then continue. Situationally, it can be OK, especially if you have a real need for efficiency, but normally there's no need to delete every "that" in a peice of writing.

[Mikey4 2476]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

So what? This guy seems to be a respected, legitimate resource that was in a position to capture leaks from within these programs. And, he appears at this time to have no personal agenda. This story should be all over the news, imo, unless I’m missing something. 

I'd love for this to be true. But when confronting exceptional claims, what is more likely? That we've secretly recovered alien spaceships with dead aliens inside, and no hard evidence of the recovery has ever escaped? Or that this guy talked to someone whom he finds to he credible and convincing, but in fact his source is mistaken, exaggerating, or flat out lying? The hearsay element of this, combined with the extreme nature of the claims, makes me very skeptical.

[Homesickhorn 2194]

Also, the existence of government programs that don't answer to Congress, the President, or the Judicial. There has to be oversight somewhere.

I’m sorry, but I read this just like this:

“Also, let's not forget - let's *not* forget, Dude - that keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, for uh, domestic, you know, within the city - that aint legal either.”

[Sandman 3399]

2 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

So what? This guy seems to be a respected, legitimate resource that was in a position to capture leaks from within these programs. And, he appears at this time to have no personal agenda. This story should be all over the news, imo, unless I’m missing something. 

Robert Hanssen was a respected, legitimate FBI agent and never appeared to be a piece of shit but look how that turned out. Sometimes people aren't what you think they are. 

[bernorange 8341]

Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick responds (personally, not officially as head of AARO) to Grusch's testimony.

https://thedebrief.org/director-of-pentagons-uap-investigations-challenges-claims-made-in-recent-uap-hearing/

[Red Five 40455]

2 hours ago, UTGrad98 said:

I subscribe to the theory of Occam's razor. It's our tech. And has been for decades. Why is it Americans have the most ufo sightings.

I forget who said it, maybe Bob Lazar, that yes it's our tech.... but we got it from crashed/recovered alien ships. 

[Goredho 17181]

16 hours ago, ChickenNuggets said:

I don't see this as legit... European powers don't spend enough, Russia is clueless and bankrupt half the time, and China only has what we developed, albeit like 2 months after we develop it... 

I think this is all misdirection from the US... hiding in plain site new tech. 

Definitely possible.

[BrickHorn 18072]

11 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

So I’m very behind on this topic, but I guess there was this guy Grusch that testified before Congress basically saying we’ve got ufo’s and non human remains.

I can’t keep up with what’s newsworthy anymore. This week, it’s a big deal that authorities found non-human remains. But in the past, people would get all worked up whenever authorities found human remains. Wtf? Make up your minds.

[ChickenNuggets 1606]

10 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Because certain factions within the government don't want the truth to get out, and have spent decades convincing the public that it is akin to some fringe conspiracy theory (helped out by a lot of legitimate conspiracy theorists) so that the leaks that inevitably do happen are dismissed out right. However, if you do actually spend a bit of time looking into the issue,there are actually loads of credible folks involved who have tried to get the truth out. So now we are left with a situation where a significant group of otherwise rational people can't take a rational look at the evidence and come up with their own conclusions due to preconceived biases based on decades long misinformation campaigns.

Now we have a former intelligence officer who's job it was to investigate this stuff blowing the whistle on governernment programs with no oversight. A whistleblower who has bipartisan backing that is unheard of in this political environment. And some of the congress critters fighting for disclosure are undeniably passionate about their beliefs, whether or not you agree with them. Take AOC, I'm sure that many folks here don't agree with her vision of how we ought to be doing things, but it is hard to deny that she has an honest passion for serving her constituents and doing what she thinks is right. Yet she is one of the ones leading the charge.

[ChickenNuggets 1606]

6 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

I can’t keep up with what’s newsworthy anymore. This week, it’s a big deal that authorities found non-human remains. But in the past, people would get all worked up whenever authorities found human remains. Wtf? Make up your minds.

Steve Patterson might be returning as special assistant to Sark... (more important news that you may have missed...)

Edited July 29, 2023 by ChickenNuggets

[UTGrad98 2221]

59 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I forget who said it, maybe Bob Lazar, that yes it's our tech.... but we got it from crashed/recovered alien ships. 

The united states is 1.867% of the earth's total surface area. We are very lucky these alien craft crashed in the most technologically advanced nation and not anywhere else.

Edited July 29, 2023 by UTGrad98

[HornOnTheBayou 8858]

50 minutes ago, ChickenNuggets said:

Steve Patterson might be returning as special assistant to Sark... (more important news that you may have missed...)

From athletic director to assistant coach. That's a bit of a demotion.

[Mikey4 2476]

38 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

The united states is 1.867% of the earth's total surface area. We are very lucky these alien craft crashed in the most technologically advanced nation and not anywhere else.

This is all probably bullshit, but the primary claim is that Italy recovered the craft during WWII, and the U.S. learned about it and worked with the Vatican to obtain it somehow.

[ChickenNuggets 1606]

8 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

From athletic director to assistant coach. That's a bit of a demotion.

haha, goddammitt... gary... fuk

[Blotto 23293]

23 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

He didn’t say they weren’t terrestrial biologics though. There are a lot of things on earth that have non-human biologics. We’ve sent monkeys to space after all. 

 

19 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

It gives you instant access to all of the world's knowledge and news, all of the world's pornography, it's got an amazing camera for the size, and it allows you to shit-talk people halfway around the world who don't even speak the same language as you. And it's got a flashlight fleshlight.

I'm just saying...

 

So close

16 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

Ruskis aren't the clueless ones.  It's the Chinese who are clueless and that's why they have to steal it.  Designing super advanced tech requires creativity to complement the pure technical stuff.  Russians are a very artistic, creative, and poetic people.  Chinese are not.  They aren't allowed to be.  Both Commies but creative expression is at least still highly encouraged and valued in Russian culture.  In China creativity (not thinking like everyone else) is viewed as a potential threat.  

 

China has like a billion people. Pretending there aren't a few of them capable of creative invention is laughable

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

They invented the wheelbarrow for fucks sake

Plus don't even get me started on their advanced luggage capabilities

Edited July 29, 2023 by Blotto

[wildcat09 28563]

4 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

So what? This guy seems to be a respected, legitimate resource that was in a position to capture leaks from within these programs. And, he appears at this time to have no personal agenda. This story should be all over the news, imo, unless I’m missing something. 

Eh, not really.

[troph 24028]

that sex position looks like a disaster waiting to happen. head flooded with blood (wrong head boys), an easy fall and well, air rises so mid sex toots are highly likely. do not want.

btw NBC News has an article dumbed down for us pleebs.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/are-5-memorable-moments-congress-ufo-hearing-rcna96476?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Edited July 29, 2023 by troph

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4962]

10 hours ago, NaTeWHO said:

Picking up what you're putting down, but stop typing THAT. It's incredibly distracting.

Here's a fun exercise, delete every THAT and reread your posts. Let me know how many added value.

I think somehow my autocorrect started capitalizing the word that. Not sure why it's in all caps there.

[Mole 4311]

58 minutes ago, Mikey4 said:

This is all probably bullshit, but the primary claim is that Italy recovered the craft during WWII, and the U.S. learned about it and worked with the Vatican to obtain it somehow.

Isn’t that the plot of every Dan Brown book?

[troph 24028]

33 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

I think somehow my autocorrect started capitalizing the word that. Not sure why it's in all caps there.

[Texzilla58 4687]

 
Do we? 
I would say we don't, to keep it in mathematics perspective, I would bet we are closer to second/third graders who are just learning multiplication then we are to AP high school classes on calculous/trig and that's not even advanced mathematics. We've only been flying for a little over 100 years, this isn't meant to take anything away from Einstein Hawking or any other great physicist but in the grand scheme of the universe, we are children.
 
I do believe there is intelligent life out there and I also believe we have been visited but if we the US have had possession of an alien spacecraft for the past 80 years, we better have reversed engineered some bad ass tech from it.

Much has been gleaned for this technology.

Big Mouth Billy Bass. Fax machines. 5 bladed razors. That TV first down market thing. That’s all they brought us.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4962]

4 hours ago, Mikey4 said:

I'd love for this to be true. But when confronting exceptional claims, what is more likely? That we've secretly recovered alien spaceships with dead aliens inside, and no hard evidence of the recovery has ever escaped? Or that this guy talked to someone whom he finds to he credible and convincing, but in fact his source is mistaken, exaggerating, or flat out lying? The hearsay element of this, combined with the extreme nature of the claims, makes me very skeptical.

He talked to multiple someones with verifiable security clearances, and then shared that info with the inspector general of the intelligence community who then spoke with at least some of those multiple someones and also found their stories to be credible and urgent enough to forward them to congress and grant him whistleblower protection.

5 hours ago, UTGrad98 said:

I subscribe to the theory of Occam's razor. It's our tech. And has been for decades. Why is it Americans have the most ufo sightings.

If it is, we have a serious problem with government agencies lieing to the folks who are supposed to hold them accountable. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21765]

If we really had actual alien spacecraft and alien bodies and the guys who testified before Congress actually had the information, there would have been a fatal car accident,  a sudden suicide, and maybe an unexplained fall from a window long before those guys actually made it in to testify.  The fact that they are still walking the earth means that they don't know shit, or that there is nothing for them to know.  

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4962]

According to them, or at least Grush, that has happened in the past. To assume it would happen all the time is putting way to much faith in the competency of our government. 

[ztejas 42819]

40 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

If we really had actual alien spacecraft and alien bodies and the guys who testified before Congress actually had the information, there would have been a fatal car accident,  a sudden suicide, and maybe an unexplained fall from a window long before those guys actually made it in to testify.  The fact that they are still walking the earth means that they don't know shit, or that there is nothing for them to know.  

If you kill someone that has already leaked or disclosed the info then you are in effect admitting that the info has merit. 

There is also no way of knowing who might leak that info. 

[ztejas 42819]

46 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

If it is, we have a serious problem with government agencies lieing to the folks who are supposed to hold them accountable. 

If it's our tech then it would be fairly safe to assume that there has been a linear progression to arrive at something that can accelerate to Mach 10 at the drop of a hat. 

But we let a bunch of astronauts die in a fiery shuttle explosion and almost killed a few others on their way back from the moon?

(and pissed our pants about the cold war for 35 years)

K.

Edited July 29, 2023 by ztejas

[Guest]

I'm skeptical in the existence of extraterrestrial sapient life in our galaxy, and lifeforms outside of our galaxy aren't reaching us.  In effect, we are alone in this sense.  Although, some posters here think orcas are just as intelligent as humans, so maybe not.

Edited July 29, 2023 by axiom of foundation

[F250 28543]

2 hours ago, Mikey4 said:

Italy recovered the craft during WWII, and the U.S. learned about it and worked with the Vatican to obtain it somehow.

I read this in David Duchovny's voice.

 

[ztejas 42819]

9 minutes ago, axiom of foundation said:

I'm skeptical in the existence of extraterrestrial sapient life in our galaxy

But let me ask you this - how do you feel about interdimensional or time travel?

10 minutes ago, axiom of foundation said:

and lifeforms outside of our galaxy aren't reaching us.

Certainly not using our knowledge of astrophysics. 

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, ztejas said:

But let me ask you this - how do you feel about interdimensional or time travel?

I don't think time travel or faster than light travel are physically possible.  

[Js1 83677]

2 minutes ago, axiom of foundation said:

I don't think time travel or faster than light travel are physically possible.  

[troph 24028]

Wormholes … and the bottom of blackholes. We watched interstellar the other night so I know it’s real. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

What word search did you use to pull this up so quickly? 

[Dbeasy 14791]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Eh, not really.

Ok, I get it. This is why I’m so confused. He worked for USAF, NGA and NRO. I have a hard time believing that someone who worked for NRO and got an audience with Congress is a loon. NRO is a serious organization. 

Look I’m highly skeptical of the claims, but I don’t understand how so many can be so definitive in their rejection of it.

 

 

 

 

[mdleast 8097]

What word search did you use to pull this up so quickly? 

That was from his saved pictures/spank bank.

[ztejas 42819]

3 minutes ago, axiom of foundation said:

I don't think time travel or faster than light travel are physically possible.  

Yes. I sussed that out. I was taking the piss.

Relative time travel is very real. Traveling back in time - who knows - and I have my doubts. 

I am fairly confident that there is some way to move through space more quickly than the speed of light from A to B.

The main point is that we're still just a bunch of dumb chimps. 

[Hermanator 6697]

4 hours ago, UTGrad98 said:

The united states is 1.867% of the earth's total surface area. We are very lucky these alien craft crashed in the most technologically advanced nation and not anywhere else.

I'm pretty sure he's said several countries have them as well. One was Stalin's USSR around WW2. Not saying any of that is true but the narrative has never been that only the US has them. 

Regarding the question of why UAP seem to mostly target military personnel that's just a case of selection bias. The military are the people who have the ability to see and capture these on advanced surveillance equipment, so naturally that's where the best evidence would come from. 

The Galileo Project is a collection of scientists looking to actively search for instances of UAP in real time and get quality testable data to start to build a legitimate scientific hypothesis about these occurrences. The problem with all this military/IC disclosure and grainy videos is none of it is quality testable data. There's nothing scientific that can be done with any of this. In order to scientifically test it testable data needs to be gathered and it seems this project is our best hope. 

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I am fairly confident that there is some way to move through space more quickly than the speed of light from A to B.

Why are you confident in this?  Physical constants are very hard to break.  Conservation of momentum, laws of thermodynamics, speed of light limit are not going to be violated  with human innovation.  I wish we could dream a big enough dream and zoom around the cosmos but the universe doesn't care about our dreams.

[Js1 83677]

1 hour ago, ztejas said:

I am fairly confident that there is some way to move through space more quickly than the speed of light from A to B.

 

Though you might rip out your own eyeballs by opening a portal to hell 

[F250 28543]

2 hours ago, ztejas said:

 

I am fairly confident that there is some way to move through space more quickly than the speed of light from A to B.

[ztejas 42819]

2 hours ago, axiom of foundation said:

Why are you confident in this? 

Well - first of all - I believe that there are beings that have already done it.

Second of all - the more we unravel shit the weirder it gets. I think that phenomenons like quantum entanglement are just the tip of the iceberg.