UAP Pentagon Report (UFOs, Foo Fighters, Commie Drones)

[randomhorn 1645]

3 hours ago, Texasborn91 said:

David Grusch went to the New York Times and was turned away. Someone that actually looked into it and talked to ppl involved. Unless… he’s lying. All of them are lying. Liars!

You are uninformed and at this point the evidence is overwhelming that something freely moves about our air space, ocean, and orbit. One of the dudes in the hearing is literally the one who released the 3 UAP videos to the New York Times. Is he a hero? 

If they turned him away it’s because he didn’t have any credible information to share

[Texasborn91 901]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

It would have to be 1) a very high quality video 2) with multiple disparate witnesses verifying that is indeed what they saw 3) that couldn't possibly be explained away as something else.

As they say, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."  Bottom line, really, we need an actual physical craft and/or bodies.  And no, some guys telling us "oh, we totally have those" is not the same.

The phoenix lights and the Stephenville incident come to mind. Mass sightings not easily explained away

[Texasborn91 901]

8 minutes ago, randomhorn said:

If they turned him away it’s because he didn’t have any credible information to share

But congress disagreed with that? 

[956 Worldwide 34468]

This shit is so stupid, I had a lot more patience for the debate two weeks ago.  You’re all being grifted by the same set of film-flam artists, pull your heads out. 

[Texasborn91 901]

58 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

This shit is so stupid, I had a lot more patience for the debate two weeks ago.  You’re all being grifted by the same set of film-flam artists, pull your heads out. 

Haven’t spent a penny. When every single sighting can be explained away I’ll stfu. But just because you can’t comprehend the idea that something unknown is being seen, recorded, and experimented doesn’t mean I bury my head in the sand. 

[Brisketexan 104686]

1 minute ago, Texasborn91 said:

Haven’t spent a penny. When every single sighting can be explained away I’ll stfu. But just because you can’t comprehend the idea that something unknown is being seen, recorded, and experimented doesn’t mean I bury my head in the sand. 

For the millionth time.

We comprehend the idea.

We acknowledge the possibility, and do not categorically exclude it.

 

We just don't reach the final step -- "thus, aliens are real and are visiting earth."  Maybe they are.  We have seen information that tells us to consider the possibility, and remain open to that being true.  We have yet to see sufficient proof to conclude that it definitely IS true.  Not sure why that pisses you off so much.  That's a "you" problem.

[Dbeasy 14975]

4 hours ago, bluto said:

So every damn person in the civilized world has an incredible camera in their pocket at all times these days… and best we got is some reflection of a lamp on a window and some dollar store balloons. 

Alien dollar store balloons. 

[Texasborn91 901]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

For the millionth time.

We comprehend the idea.

We acknowledge the possibility, and do not categorically exclude it.

 

We just don't reach the final step -- "thus, aliens are real and are visiting earth."  Maybe they are.  We have seen information that tells us to consider the possibility, and remain open to that being true.  We have yet to see sufficient proof to conclude that it definitely IS true.  Not sure why that pisses you off so much.  That's a "you" problem.

What you are saying is not what 956 just said. I don’t think these ppl are con artists and fakes. you claim there isn’t sufficient evidence but I beg to differ.

[956 Worldwide 34468]

Elizondo has lied so many times and gotten caught LOL. Total fraud. 

[randomhorn 1645]

There’s not insufficient evidence. There’s no evidence. Period. 

[CastHorn 798]

So the narrative is shifting from extraterrestrial space aliens visiting Earth, to we’re sharing a planet with an intelligent species that predates modern humanity and possibly occupies our oceans? That actually seems more believable than the idea that there’s life out there who can travel at light speed through the cosmos. Considering Earths abusive relationship with the asteroid belt, it makes sense that an underwater civilization would be more resilient. Modern humanity is only about 500,000 years old, think of how many times they were probably almost eradicated by cataclysm. The “Flood” stories throughout religion were basically yesterday in comparison to the age of Earth. The combustion engine was in its infancy just 100 years ago. Civilizations have probably risen and fallen a dozen of times over. It’s hard to believe the assholes on this site are the pinnacle of high intelligence and ingenuity to ever grace Earth in its multi-billion year history. 

[Texasborn91 901]

2 hours ago, randomhorn said:

There’s not insufficient evidence. There’s no evidence. Period. 

I just don’t understand that. Thousands upon thousands of eyewitness sightings. Military video. Radar backing. 
 

Astronomical odds that not 1 single event actually happened. 

[Texasborn91 901]

12 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Elizondo has lied so many times and gotten caught LOL. Total fraud. 

Name a few. I’m interested 

[956 Worldwide 34468]

Uhh, how about showing people a photo of a chandelier reflection and claiming it was an “alien mothership?” (He charged money for this). 

 

[Texasborn91 901]

11 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Uhh, how about showing people a photo of a chandelier reflection and claiming it was an “alien mothership?” (He charged money for this). 

 

Yes, I’m aware of what you found out about on the last page. Was asking if you had anything else. Genuinely curious 

[956 Worldwide 34468]

14 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Yes, I’m aware of what you found out about on the last page. Was asking if you had anything else. Genuinely curious 

 

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As exclusively reported by the Post, the Pentagon didn’t actually have an official UFO program called AATIP and Elizondo was not its director.

In 2019, the Pentagon released a statement saying Elizondo had “no responsibilities” with AATIP, a program which they also said wasn’t created to investigate UFOs.

 

[Viper 12033]

There's also him passing off World War 2 era UFO hoax and tall tales from a mentally ill pathological liar as him having proof that we have actual alien ships in our possession

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4900

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A few years later, the whole modern UFO thing exploded into the media in the United States beginning in 2017 when a large group of longtime UFO promoters and authors deluged the press (see Skeptoid #787 and 788 for this cast of characters — but suffice it to say they are the same characters who persuaded Congress to hold this 2023 subcommittee hearing). Among the newly minted UFO celebrities were burned-out rock musician Tom Delonge, former government official Chris Mellon, and UFOlogist Lue Elizondo, whom the press had made famous as the head of an alleged Pentagon UFO program called AATIP, but who has since been revealed to have had nothing to do with any such program. Under the banner of Delonge's new entertainment company To The Stars Academy, they produced a season or two of a show for the History Channel called Unidentified, which was basically an infomercial for the three men and their alien visitation beliefs. In a 2019 episode, Elizondo traveled to Italy to speak with Italian UFOlogists about some of their favorite cases (always presented to the cameras as "government scientists" or "former officials"). There, Elizondo met with Pinotti, who showed him "The Fascist UFO Files", which Elizondo seems to have taken at face value.

The two men already knew each other. In 2018, Pinotti had invited Elizondo to speak at a UFO conference in Italy, where they appeared on camera together; and in 2021 they both spoke at another Italian UFO conference.

Following these trips to Italy, Elizondo began mentioning the 1933 Italy case on some of his many podcast appearances. In one interview, he called "The Fascist UFO Files" that Pinotti had shown him "compelling". The full version of the story — that combined the first half of the story from hoaxed Fascist UFO Files with the second half from Brophy's own personally-delusional enhancements, had finally made it to the English speaking world.

It's known from various podcast interviews and social media that Elizondo and David Grusch have been friends — or at least acquaintances — in the UFO community for quite some time. And so we end up with a sort of chef's kiss of a completed connect-the-dots puzzle. The anonymous originator, in an effort to duplicate the American Majestic 12 hoax, sent fake documents telling a fictional story to Pinotti. Brophy, pursuing his lifelong habit of making up new chapters of old UFO stories starring his late father, invented and sent Pinotti the rest of the story. Pinotti told it to Lue Elizondo, Lue Elizondo told it to David Grusch, and David Grusch told it to the United States Congress — and all of this happened without a shred of evidence, credibility, or corroboration. Even most other UFOlogists had dismissed this story as a hoax more than a quarter of a century before.

 

Then there's the fact that every year he claims to have all this first hand knowledge and evidence of fanciful claims (extra terrestrials, other intelligences on earth, psychic powers, etc, and every year he fails to provide any proof. His sources are quite literally "Trust me bro" and "My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious."

Edited 5 hours ago by Viper

[Texasborn91 901]

Dude, Greenstreet (the author of above article) is a huge troll, pedo and racist. Has claimed to have actually seen a ufo and did a complete 180 on the UFO topic after a personal vendetta against someone close to skinwalker ranch. 

[Texasborn91 901]

12 minutes ago, Viper said:

There's also him passing off World War 2 era UFO hoax and tall tales from a mentally ill pathological liar as him having proof that we have actual alien ships in our possession

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4900

 

Then there's the fact that every year he claims to have all this first hand knowledge and evidence of fanciful claims (extra terrestrials, other intelligences on earth, psychic powers, etc, and every year he fails to provide any proof. His sources are quite literally "Trust me bro" and "My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious."

Yeah as I’ve said that shit is frustrating… idk how having a clearance works but the whole claiming you have all this info then saying you can’t say it publicly pisses me off. Do they take your pension? Arrest? Someone will have to drop their nuts if they want any traction. Feel like we are at a stalemate until then. Bob Lazar is a whole nother discussion 

[956 Worldwide 34468]

10 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Dude, Greenstreet (the author of above article) is a huge troll, pedo and racist. Has claimed to have actually seen a ufo and did a complete 180 on the UFO topic after a personal vendetta against someone close to skinwalker ranch. 

Ok, I know that calling everyone pedos is the standard line of attack, but where the hell are you getting this info.  

[Texasborn91 901]

47 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Ok, I know that calling everyone pedos is the standard line of attack, but where the hell are you getting this info.  

Seems like a completely different person  than the one wrote that article above. He used to work with Elizondo on the subject, they had a falling out now he discredits him at every turn. I’m all about skepticism as there should be questions asked. His about face is just something to chew on 

there were screenshots of him calling ppl a slur under a sock account but the links I find are deleted from twitter.