UAP Pentagon Report (UFOs, Foo Fighters, Commie Drones)

[Nicole44 21969]

36 minutes ago, bolverk said:

U.S. Finds No Evidence of Alien Technology in Flying Objects, but Can’t Rule It Out, Either
A new report concedes that much about the observed phenomena remains difficult to explain, including their acceleration, as well as ability to change direction and submerge.

WASHINGTON — American intelligence officials have found no evidence that aerial phenomena witnessed by Navy pilots in recent years are alien spacecraft, but they still cannot explain the unusual movements that have mystified scientists and the military, according to senior administration officials briefed on the findings of a highly anticipated government report.

The report determines that a vast majority of more than 120 incidents over the past two decades did not originate from any American military or other advanced U.S. government technology, the officials said. That determination would appear to eliminate the possibility that Navy pilots who reported seeing unexplained aircraft might have encountered programs the government meant to keep secret.

But that is about the only conclusive finding in the classified intelligence report, the officials said. And while a forthcoming unclassified version, expected to be released to Congress by June 25, will present few other firm conclusions, senior officials briefed on the intelligence conceded that the very ambiguity of the findings meant the government could not definitively rule out theories that the phenomena observed by military pilots might be alien spacecraft.

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Americans’ long-running fascination with U.F.O.s has intensified in recent weeks in anticipation of the release of the government report. Former President Barack Obama further stoked the interest when he was asked last month about the incidents on “The Late Late Show with James Corden” on CBS.

“What is true, and I’m actually being serious here,” Mr. Obama said, “is that there is footage and records of objects in the skies that we don’t know exactly what they are.’’

The report concedes that much about the observed phenomena remains difficult to explain, including their acceleration, as well as ability to change direction and submerge. One possible explanation — that the phenomena could be weather balloons or other research balloons — does not hold up in all cases, the officials said, because of changes in wind speed at the times of some of the interactions.

The final report will also include a classified annex, the officials said. While the annex will not contain any evidence concluding that the phenomena are alien spacecraft, the officials acknowledged that the fact that it would remain off limits to the public was likely to continue to fuel speculation that the government had secret data about alien visitations to Earth.

Many of the more than 120 incidents examined in the report are from Navy personnel, officials said. The report also examined incidents involving foreign militaries over the last two decades. Intelligence officials believe at least some of the aerial phenomena could have been experimental technology from a rival power, most likely Russia or China.

One senior official briefed on the intelligence said without hesitation that U.S. officials knew it was not American technology. He said there was worry among intelligence and military officials that China or Russia could be experimenting with hypersonic technology.

He and other officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the classified findings in the report.

Russia has been investing heavily in hypersonics, believing the technology offers it the ability to evade American missile-defense technology. China has also developed hypersonic weaponry, and included it in military parades. If the phenomena were Chinese or Russian aircraft, officials said, that would suggest the two powers’ hypersonic research had far outpaced American military development.

Navy pilots were often unsettled by the sightings. In one encounter, strange objects — one of them like a spinning top moving against the wind — appeared almost daily from the summer of 2014 to March 2015, high in the skies over the East Coast. Navy pilots reported to their superiors that the objects had no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes, but that they could reach 30,000 feet and hypersonic speeds.

Lt. Ryan Graves, an F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot who was with the Navy for 10 years, told The New York Times in an interview, “These things would be out there all day.” With the speeds he and other pilots observed, he said, “12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.”

In late 2014, a Super Hornet pilot had a near collision with one of the objects, and an official mishap report was filed. Some of the incidents were recorded on video, including one taken by a plane’s camera in early 2015 that shows an object zooming over the ocean waves as pilots question what they are watching.

The Defense Department has been collecting such reports for more than 13 years as part of a shadowy, little-known Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program within the Pentagon. The program analyzed radar data, video footage and accounts provided by the Navy pilots and senior officers.

The program began in 2007 and was largely funded at the request of Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who was the Senate majority leader at the time. It was officially shut down in 2012, when the money dried up, according to the Pentagon. But after the publication of a New York Times article in 2017 about the program and criticism from program officials that the government was not forthcoming about reports on aerial phenomena, the Pentagon restarted the program last summer as the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force.

The task force’s mission was to “detect, analyze and catalog” sightings of strange objects in the sky that could pose a threat to national security. But government officials said they also wanted to remove the stigma for service members who report U.F.O. sightings in the hope that more would be encouraged to speak up if they saw something. The goal, officials said, was to give authorities a better idea of what might be out there.

Last year, lawmakers inserted a provision in the Intelligence Authorization Act that said the government must submit an unclassified report on what it knows about U.F.O.s. That report is the one to be released this month.

Officials briefed on the report said it also examined video that shows a whitish oval object described as a giant Tic Tac, about the size of a commercial plane, encountered by two Navy fighter jets off the coast of San Diego in 2004.

In that incident, the pilots reported an interaction with the craft, which lasted for several minutes. At one point, the object peeled away, one of the pilots, Cmdr. David Fravor, later said in an interview with The Times. “It accelerated like nothing I’ve ever seen,” he said.

The report studies that incident, including the video that accompanied the interaction. The provenance of the object, the officials said, is still unknown.

 

 

 

[Neonmoon 38126]

1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

 

Why? All they said is they have no evidence. 

Edited June 4, 2021 by Neonmoon

[bolverk 29107]

One thing that the report apparently will rule out is that these things are not ours...

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One senior official briefed on the intelligence said without hesitation that U.S. officials knew it was not American technology.

which only underscores the importance of unraveling the mystery.

[Neonmoon 38126]

The report was what you would expect. We don’t know shit. We have these videos. We can’t explain the technology and it’s not ours. 
 

The government ain’t going to come out and say Aliens exist if all they have are those videos 

Edited June 4, 2021 by Neonmoon

[Deej 76220]

6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

One thing that the report apparently will rule out is that these things are not ours...

So you're saying they are ours?

[atomheartbevo 89059]

8 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The report was what you would expect. We don’t know shit. We have these videos. We can’t explain the technology and it’s not ours. 

The government ain’t going to come out and say Aliens exist if all they have are those videos 

Bingo.  It’s an unclassified report. It was never going to reveal much. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

9 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Bingo.  It’s an unclassified report. It was never going to reveal much. 

Damn, and here I thought they'd throw in who killed JFK ................. you know, as a bonus.

[bolverk 29107]

Here's another article by the NYTimes this morning about the report. I'm copy/pasting the whole thing, but it's mostly about how we got where we are. There are a couple of items I'm highlighting that are "interesting."

Why Are We All Talking About U.F.O.s Right Now?
U.F.O.s were once a taboo topic for the U.S. government, but not anymore. A long anticipated report on them is due this month.

When spooky things appear in the sky, witnesses have often been reluctant to report them for fear of mockery by others, especially in the halls of government.

These days, fewer people are laughing.

Unidentified flying objects, or unidentified aerial phenomena as the government calls them, have been taken more seriously by U.S. officials in recent years, starting in 2007 with a small, secretly funded program that investigated reports of military encounters.

The program, whose existence was first reported by The New York Times in December 2017, was revived by the Defense Department last summer as the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force. The department said the task force’s mission was to “detect, analyze and catalog” sightings of strange objects in the sky “that could potentially pose a threat to U.S. national security.” Service members were newly encouraged to speak up if they saw something, with the idea being that removing the stigma behind reporting something weird would provide the authorities with a better idea of what’s out there.

Then, late last year, President Donald J. Trump signed a $2.3 trillion appropriations package that included a provision inserted by lawmakers: They asked the secretary of defense and director of national intelligence to submit an unclassified report on what the government knows about U.F.O.s. An unclassified version of that report is due to be released this month. (Senior administration officials briefed on the report’s findings told The Times the report will present few firm conclusions, but that it found no evidence the aerial sightings were alien spacecraft. Read more about that here.)

Spoiler

 

A drumbeat of U.F.O. attention
With the public asking more questions about U.F.O.s, more officials appear willing to answer them.

“There are a lot more sightings than have been made public,” John Ratcliffe, the former director of national intelligence, told Fox News in March. Quite a few of them, he said, “are difficult to explain.”

John Brennan, the former director of the C.I.A., said in a podcast last year that some of the unexplained sightings might be “some type of phenomenon that is the result of something that we don’t yet understand and that could involve some type of activity that some might say constitutes a different form of life.”

The lead-up to the report’s expected release has seen quite a bit of mainstream media attention in recent weeks, including a 13,000-word article in The New Yorker in April, and a segment on CBS’s “60 Minutes.”

Even former President Barack Obama, in an appearance last month on “The Late Late Show With James Corden,” admitted there were “objects in the skies that we don’t know exactly what they are.” (President Biden deflected a question about U.F.O.s a few days later.)

How it all started in 1947

The first thing to know is that “U.F.O.” doesn’t automatically mean “alien.” As its name indicates, U.F.O. refers to any aerial phenomenon with no immediate explanation. Though reported sightings take place frequently around the world, a vast majority of them turn out to be things like stars, satellites, planes, drones, weather balloons, birds or bats.

The modern history of U.F.O. sightings is generally considered to have started on June 24, 1947, when Kenneth Arnold, a private pilot from Idaho, reported seeing nine circular objects traveling at supersonic speeds near Mount Rainier. Newspapers described them as “flying saucers,” a term that captured the popular imagination. Though Mr. Arnold appeared to be a credible witness, government officials were skeptical.

Nonetheless, the government began a classified study, called Project Sign, out of concern that such objects could be advanced Soviet weapons. That was followed by Project Blue Book, which reviewed about 12,000 cases from 1952 to 1969, 701 of which could not be explained. It ended with a report saying U.F.O.s were not worth further study. As far as is publicly known, there were no more official government efforts to study U.F.O.s until the one established in 2007, called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.

Sightings of unidentified objects in the United States have risen during the coronavirus pandemic, as people spending long days at home turned to sky gazing. Reports increased about 15 percent last year to more than 7,200, according to the National U.F.O. Reporting Center. As in other years, almost all of them had earthly explanations, the center said.

What kinds of things are people reporting?

In November 2004, two Navy fighter jets from the U.S.S. Nimitz were off the coast of San Diego when they encountered a whitish, oval-shaped craft of similar size hovering above the sea, which was churning in an unusual way. As one of the jets began a circular descent to get a closer look, the object — which had no wings or obvious means of propulsion — ascended toward it, then zipped away.

“It accelerated like nothing I’ve ever seen,” Cmdr. David Fravor, one of the pilots, told The Times in 2017.

Commander Fravor told a fellow pilot that night that he had no idea what he had seen: “It had no plumes, wings or rotors and outran our F-18s.”

But, he added, “I want to fly one.”

Other cases include a spinning disk that was seen hovering above O’Hare Airport in Chicago in 2006, and two “sunlight-colored” objects reported by a professional pilot in England in 2007, as The New Yorker reported.

A video of the Nimitz incident, along with two from 2015, was officially released by the Defense Department last year. More recently, the department confirmed that video and images leaked to a documentary filmmaker had been taken by Navy personnel in 2019 and were being investigated by the task force.

What will the report say?
According to the provision in the appropriations package, the report should include a detailed analysis of U.F.O. data held by the task force and other government bodies. The report is also supposed to flag any unidentified aerial phenomena that could be considered threats to national security, including whether they “may be attributed to one or more foreign adversaries.”

Senior administration officials who had been briefed on the report’s contents told The Times that the report still cannot explain the unusual movements that have mystified scientists and the military, but that it concludes a vast majority of more than 120 incidents over the past two decades did not originate from any American military or other advanced U.S. government technology.

Who is pushing for more information?

Calls for transparency are growing in Washington, including from a bipartisan political action committee that was launched last month.

One key backer of U.F.O. research efforts has been Harry Reid, the former Democratic senator from Nevada, who as Senate majority leader secured $22 million in funding to create the 2007 program.

In an essay for The Times this month, Mr. Reid said he had been interested in U.F.O.s since attending a conference in 1996 (to the consternation of his staff, who told him to “stay the hell away” from the topic). He said the program was necessary because “an unofficial taboo regarding the frank discussion of encounters could harm our national security and stymie opportunities for technical advancement.”

There is support for U.F.O. research among current senators as well, including Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida, who added the language to the appropriations package requesting the government report.

Mr. Rubio told “60 Minutes” that there should be a process by which reports of U.F.O.s are “cataloged and constantly analyzed, until we get some answers.”

“Maybe it has a simple answer,” he said on the program. “Maybe it doesn’t.”

 

 

[XYZ 2154]

I mean, if the report asserts that these UAP are not secret American projects, that’s something. The USA has been spending a lot more on defense than everybody else for a long time. There is no American craft that can do what the UAPs can do, not even close. It’s not that these things can go faster or be silent, it’s almost like they operate under different laws, where inertia for example doesn’t exist. I guess what I’m trying to say is that if these UAP are not American, I am going to take a leap here and say that almost certainly they are not man-made.

We also should consider the possibility that these UAP are not actual objects that we could touch but images of something that happens on another plane of reality. Like there’s a curtain between “our” reality and some other reality, but every once in a while the curtain gets pulled a little and we can get a glimpse of the activity happening “on the other side”.

[bernorange 8341]

So, they aren't weather balloons.  OK cool, hook'em.

[El Diablo 4232]

27 minutes ago, bernorange said:

So, they aren't weather balloons.  OK cool, hook'em.

Dominique's sweater. 

[Parliament 14024]

Kinda what I figured.  This is how good science.  We can't prove what they are, so we gotta say, "We don't know."  And I believe that.  If Congress knew they were aliens, some idiot would leak it.

So now the more likely scenario is secret, advanced, non-American technology. And the fact these guys are focusing on our military makes them a military threat. Time to try shooting them down.  If this is terrestrial, we can figure out how to defeat it.

[Armybrat 40561]

Mystery solved...

 

[JBJ 3598]

2 hours ago, Deej said:

So you're saying they are ours?

My first thought.  Some of these are undoubtedly counter-radar, supersonic drone, and UAUV tests.  Some of these are undoubtly completely fake or counterintellegence.

Like all the stuff in the 60s, we night never know what is what.

[XYZ 2154]

17 minutes ago, Parliament said:

So now the more likely scenario is secret, advanced, non-American technology. And the fact these guys are focusing on our military makes them a military threat. Time to try shooting them down.  If this is terrestrial, we can figure out how to defeat it.

You’re joking, right?

[Parliament 14024]

Um...sort of?

[Doc Reeves 6434]

1 hour ago, JBJ said:

My first thought.  Some of these are undoubtedly counter-radar, supersonic drone, and UAUV tests.  Some of these are undoubtly completely fake or counterintellegence.

Like all the stuff in the 60s, we night never know what is what.

So the Pentagon task force lied to the Pentagon and CIA and is about to lie to Congress?

Since people who don’t know any classified information about this have it all figured out (more so that the people who’s job it actually was) it’s a wonder they even bother with the report at all.

[Red Five 40455]

6 hours ago, Parliament said:

Kinda what I figured.  This is how good science.  We can't prove what they are, so we gotta say, "We don't know."  And I believe that.  If Congress knew they were aliens, some idiot would leak it.

So now the more likely scenario is secret, advanced, non-American technology. And the fact these guys are focusing on our military makes them a military threat. Time to try shooting them down.  If this is terrestrial, we can figure out how to defeat it.

These have been around for a long time. Seriously doubt the Russians or Chinese have been secretly holding on to this kind of technology for decades and not doing anything with it.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

The Navy recently filed a bunch of patents for things like compact fusion reactors, anti grav drive units and inertia dampers.

They're either messing about to make others think we might possess this tech when it’s aliens. Or we possess this tech. 

Edited June 4, 2021 by Bobby_Batronic

[WhatTheBuck 28620]

No report is going to tell you what they are because if it did then they wouldn’t be unidentified. ‘Here’s some shit we can’t explain.’ That’s the essence of what the report will say. 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

No report is going to tell you what they are because if it did then they wouldn’t be unidentified. ‘Here’s some shit we can’t explain.’ That’s the essence of what the report will say. 

Just that admission is incredibly huge tho especially if you back and read some of the denials from the gov. about these sightings. 

One of my favorites is the Lubbock Lights where the gov said all of the slack jawed hicks just saw birds at night because they weren’t used to Lubbocks new street lights.  

[Doc Reeves 6434]

Washington Post article rehashing what we know and what to expect. Real sumo to NYT article 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/06/04/ufo-report-explained-government/

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The truth is still out there — or at least we think it might be.

A government report due to Congress as soon as this month will not provide a definitive explanation for scores of incidents in which unidentified aerial phenomena have been spotted in the sky, officials said Thursday. The report, some details of which were first described by the New York Times, will not offer any firm conclusions surrounding flying objects repeatedly detected by military pilots and others in recent years, The Washington Post reported.

Though the report on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs in Pentagon parlance, but commonly called UFOs) finds no proof of extraterrestrial activity, the government’s findings did not rule out such activity.

The news is the latest in what’s been a stretch of renewed openness in the United States on the possibility of and whether unknown life-forms could be stopping by Earth to see what all the buzz is about. The belief that we might not be alone has risen from the pages of science-fiction books and blockbuster movies to the halls of government and intelligence agencies. A bipartisan political committee, UFOPac, has even called on Washington to give the public answers.

So, how did we get here? What’s up with Washington taking UAP seriously now? While the government’s recent interest in UAP might feel fresh, it actually started 14 years and three administrations ago, with a Senate majority leader and an idea that his aides thought was, well, crazy.

‘Nothing but trouble’

Harry M. Reid had a risky ask for two of his Senate colleagues in 2007: The Nevada Democrat and Senate majority leader at the time, told colleagues who controlled funding for supersecret Pentagon operations that he wanted the military to investigate UFOs

Reid, who had been interested in UAP since the 1990s, was convinced to look into the topic further when a Defense Intelligence Agency official wanted to visit a Utah ranch owned by Robert Bigelow, a wealthy acquaintance in the motel industry. Bigelow, a UAP enthusiast, had told Reid about a number of perceived paranormal events.

As The Post’s Michael S. Rosenwald wrote, it only took about 10 minutes for Reid to persuade Senate colleagues Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) and Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), to support $22 million in funding for the Pentagon to start the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, a small, secret effort to investigate UFOs. Reid recalled to The Post last month that Stevens, who died in 2010, was an easy sell because of his time as an Air Force pilot in World War II, where he allegedly saw an object that didn’t appear to be a plane that mimicked his movements in the air.

Cases of unidentified aerial phenomena in Southern California, Chicago and England had popped up in the news around the time of the secret program. Reid, who took on the first official government effort to study UAP in decades, said time has proven it was the right decision.

“Everyone told me this would cause me nothing but trouble,” said Reid, whose state of Nevada is home of the military’s top-secret Area 51 test site, a central attraction of sorts for UFO hunters. “But I wasn’t afraid of it.”

Government admits it has studied UFOs

After decades of the government telling the nation that Area 51 didn’t exist and that the United States had no official interest in UAP or aliens, the Pentagon confirmed in 2017 that the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program backed by Reid was indeed real.

However, that confirmation by the Defense Department came five years after funding ended for the program which was in place to investigate episodes brought to officials by service members.

“It was determined that there were other, higher-priority issues that merited funding and it was in the best interest of the DoD to make a change,” Pentagon spokesman Tom Crosson said in a statement in 2017.

The Post’s Cleve R. Wootson Jr. explained at the time that the government’s admission was like pouring kerosene on conspiracy theories: “The admission — and the fact that the government spent $22 million on UFO research — gives any out-there theory a patina of credibility,” he wrote.

Trump-era covid relief bill brings about UAP report

While President Donald Trump was in the middle of his failed effort to reverse the election result last year, he unexpectedly signed a gargantuan $2.3 trillion appropriations package to help give millions of Americans relief from the coronavirus pandemic and avert a government shutdown. But a provision in the bill signed by Trump did something else: Ordering that the director of national intelligence work with the defense secretary on a report detailing everything the government knows about UAP

The provision came months after Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said that while the prospect that something otherworldly is behind the flying objects does not concern him, he was focused as much on the idea that a U.S. adversary could be making secret technological advances.

“The bottom line is if there are things flying over your military bases and you don’t know what they are because they aren’t yours and they are exhibiting — potentially — technologies that you don’t have at your own disposal, that to me is a national-security risk and one that we should be looking into,” Rubio said to CBS4 News in Miami last July.

There were several incidents for the report: A series of unidentified objects recorded baffled pilots, military and intelligence officials for years, and Navy officials have come forward with several unexplained incidents. In one 2015 video recorded by an F/A-18 Super Hornet, a tracked UAP powers through wind recorded at more than 130 mph. The pilots are heard discussing its possible origins before it oscillates like a top.

“It’s rotating!” one pilot says in bewilderment.

Former intelligence director John Ratcliffe declared that the report would be big when it’s finally made public.

“Frankly, there are a lot more sightings than have been made public,” Ratcliffe said to Fox News in March.

‘I’m actually being serious here’

The mainstream interest for UAP, and the shift from conspiracy theory to congressional inquiry, comes on the heels of “60 Minutes” airing footage of infrared video of UAPs taken by military aircraft. In the same story, Ryan Graves, a retired Navy pilot, said that he and other pilots had similar sightings every day for several years.

“Every day,” Graves said in an interview that aired last month. “Every day for at least a couple years.”

Rubio, who had previously called UAP a national security risk, went further by saying the stigma surrounding the topic should not “keep us from having an answer to a very fundamental question.”

Former president Barack Obama echoed that sentiment a day later to CBS late-night host James Corden.

“What is true — and I’m actually being serious here — is that there is footage and records of objects in the skies that we don’t know exactly what they are,” Obama said.

What else could they be?

The wealth of videos and photos of unexplained aircraft have been collected from military pilots because the encounters have been so close to them, including one encounter in 2014 that nearly resulted in a collision.

While it is certainly possible extraterrestrials are interested in learning more about human fighter jets, other parties closer to home would have similar desires.

One unsettling explanation is that UAP captured on video were developed by adversary governments, such as China or Russia, and employ technology unfamiliar to the Pentagon, said a senior U.S. defense official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the report findings are not yet public.

According to UAP experts, some of the observed aircraft have no wings or visible elements of thrust or propulsion, or can change direction at high speeds with ease. Some lack telltale signs of terrestrial construction such as rivets and bolts, and appear smooth and rounded.

Ideally, U.S. spy agencies and military surveillance keep tab on technology developments by adversarial governments so it can match their capabilities or find ways to defeat them.

But if the Defense Department determines a human origin in UAP trolling U.S. coastlines for years with no indication of path of travel, using designs and mechanics that still baffles military experts, it would be one of the biggest intelligence failures in U.S. history

 

[atomheartbevo 89059]

11 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

One of my favorites is the Lubbock Lights where the gov said all of the slack jawed hicks just saw birds at night because they weren’t used to Lubbocks new street lights.  

I always thought it was somebody at the Air Force base outside of town, fucking around.  When I lived there, I heard a few stories, but it's Lubbock.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I always thought it was somebody at the Air Force base outside of town, fucking around.  When I lived there, I heard a few stories, but it's Lubbock.

My friend’s parents were from Lubbock and talked about what they saw a few times. They were pretty pissed about what the gov said. Who knows, but it made for a good story.

[WhatTheBuck 28620]

7 hours ago, Doc Reeves said:

Just that admission is incredibly huge tho especially if you back and read some of the denials from the gov. about these sightings. 

One of my favorites is the Lubbock Lights where the gov said all of the slack jawed hicks just saw birds at night because they weren’t used to Lubbocks new street lights.  

 Meh. 

[RPM 26098]

20 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Mystery solved...

 

Push the button, Max.

[Neonmoon 38126]

21 hours ago, XYZ said:

I mean, if the report asserts that these UAP are not secret American projects, that’s something. The USA has been spending a lot more on defense than everybody else for a long time. There is no American craft that can do what the UAPs can do, not even close. It’s not that these things can go faster or be silent, it’s almost like they operate under different laws, where inertia for example doesn’t exist. I guess what I’m trying to say is that if these UAP are not American, I am going to take a leap here and say that almost certainly they are not man-made.

We also should consider the possibility that these UAP are not actual objects that we could touch but images of something that happens on another plane of reality. Like there’s a curtain between “our” reality and some other reality, but every once in a while the curtain gets pulled a little and we can get a glimpse of the activity happening “on the other side”.

The people thinking they’re Russian or Chinese are high. They have the same sightings. The US announcing they’re not ours is another step towards them being confirmed as alien. We just don’t have proof other than video. 

Now the different reality is interesting. But I’m not high enough for that conversation 

 

[wild_turkey 3086]

These have been around for a long time. Seriously doubt the Russians or Chinese have been secretly holding on to this kind of technology for decades and not doing anything with it.

Not only that, but the technology appears to be a massive leap from where we are (everyone is) currently. It would be like going from the corded home telephone to the iPhone and bypassing all the generations of cell phones that came between.

I personally don’t think the Chinese or Russians could make those advancements while maintaining complete secrecy over decades of research, and having the self control to not deploy their vastly superior technology against the rest of the world. They would be playing an extreme long game when they could’ve demonstrated their power long ago and used it for an extreme upper hand in global politics.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

52 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The people thinking they’re Russian or Chinese are high. They have the same sightings. The US announcing they’re not ours is another step towards them being confirmed as alien. We just don’t have proof other than video. 

Now the different reality is interesting. But I’m not high enough for that conversation 

 

pity.....

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

42 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

Not only that, but the technology appears to be a massive leap from where we are (everyone is) currently. It would be like going from the corded home telephone to the iPhone and bypassing all the generations of cell phones that came between.

I personally don’t think the Chinese or Russians could make those advancements while maintaining complete secrecy over decades of research, and having the self control to not deploy their vastly superior technology against the rest of the world. They would be playing an extreme long game when they could’ve demonstrated their power long ago and used it for an extreme upper hand in global politics.

Hell, the Chinese had to buy an aircraft carrier from the Russians, they have to steal technology to advance, they have rockets falling from the sky. They play the long game for sure, but that would be the millennial game.

 

The Russians ?  Maaaaaaaybe, they got some damn smart folks over there, but no.  Putin would leverage that shit immediately. He's hungry to be the Tsar of the world.

[Your Mom 4763]

I wonder if aliens occasionally come across our spacecraft out and about in the galaxy and debate them on their internet boards. 

Edited June 5, 2021 by Your Mom

[Doc Reeves 6434]

7 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

 Meh. 

You’d feel different if it were you

[Your Mom 4763]

2 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

Not only that, but the technology appears to be a massive leap from where we are (everyone is) currently. It would be like going from the corded home telephone to the iPhone and bypassing all the generations of cell phones that came between.

What makes you think that?  We’ve had the technology to drop a man on the moon and bring him back for over 50 years. We’ve had aircraft going 6 times the speed of sound for over 50 years now.   Just the technology you can find in a drone for sale at Best Buy, while not on this level, is still staggering. Considering all the achievements over the years in military technology... supersonic guided missles, smart bombs, drones... that’s just a few the things we know about. We have no idea about what they’ve made behind closed doors. There’s no question they are making and flying things the average person can’t comprehend yet. Things that a fuzzy grainy video of would create quite a stir. A small group of military brass are laughing their asses off over this like, “Let’s send it out again tonight and fuck with people.”

Edited June 5, 2021 by Your Mom

[Doc Reeves 6434]

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

pity.....

Give me a minute…

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

9 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

Give me a minute…

Wakey bakey......

[Doc Reeves 6434]

11 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

What makes you think that?  We’ve had the technology to drop a man on the moon and bring him for over 50 years. We’ve had aircraft going 6 times the speed of sound for over 50 years now.   Just the technology you can find in a drone for sale at Best Buy, while not on this level, is still staggering. Considering all the achievements over the years in military technology... supersonic guided missles, smart bombs, drones... that’s just a few the things we know about. We have no idea about what they’ve made behind closed doors. There’s no question they are making and flying things the average person can’t comprehend yet. Things that a fuzzy grainy video of would create quite a stir. A small group of military brass are laughing their asses off over this like, “Let’s send it out again tonight and fuck with people.”

According the pentagon in 2014, 2 f-16s were flying 100ft apart and one flew between them going something like 900mph setting off all the flight collision warning sensors without causing a wake that would have ripped the wings off the planes. 

What the hell was that about? 

[Enchubben 5495]

What always stuck out to me is that the sightings always appear to be different in size, shape, how they move etc. 

IF, huge if there, if it were to be not from this earth, why are they different? Different beings/species? Same beings but using different vehicles? And why do none of them appear to make any sort of contact?

[ABSR 5276]

6 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

What always stuck out to me is that the sightings always appear to be different in size, shape, how they move etc. 

IF, huge if there, if it were to be not from this earth, why are they different? Different beings/species? Same beings but using different vehicles? And why do none of them appear to make any sort of contact?

Do you even Prime Directive? 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

27 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

What always stuck out to me is that the sightings always appear to be different in size, shape, how they move etc. 

IF, huge if there, if it were to be not from this earth, why are they different? Different beings/species? Same beings but using different vehicles? And why do none of them appear to make any sort of contact?

What are they going to say? “We come in peace”? 

I would think to myself “nice try but I know better. I’m white and that’s what we say”

[Neonmoon 38126]

1 hour ago, Your Mom said:

What makes you think that?  We’ve had the technology to drop a man on the moon and bring him back for over 50 years. We’ve had aircraft going 6 times the speed of sound for over 50 years now.   Just the technology you can find in a drone for sale at Best Buy, while not on this level, is still staggering. Considering all the achievements over the years in military technology... supersonic guided missles, smart bombs, drones... that’s just a few the things we know about. We have no idea about what they’ve made behind closed doors. There’s no question they are making and flying things the average person can’t comprehend yet. Things that a fuzzy grainy video of would create quite a stir. A small group of military brass are laughing their asses off over this like, “Let’s send it out again tonight and fuck with people.”

There is a HUGE FUCKING difference between supersonic technology and defying the laws of physics and inertia technology 

You are dismissing the leap in technology as IF we could have that in 50 years or 100 years. We can’t, and won’t.  I’m not a scientist, but I even I know the things they are doing are not even theoretical to humans at this point in time. 

[XYZ 2154]

3 hours ago, Doc Reeves said:

According the pentagon in 2014, 2 f-16s were flying 100ft apart and one flew between them going something like 900mph setting off all the flight collision warning sensors without causing a wake that would have ripped the wings off the planes. 

What the hell was that about? 

Bro, do you even secret military technology...bro?

[XYZ 2154]

3 hours ago, Enchubben said:

What always stuck out to me is that the sightings always appear to be different in size, shape, how they move etc. 

IF, huge if there, if it were to be not from this earth, why are they different? Different beings/species? Same beings but using different vehicles? And why do none of them appear to make any sort of contact?

Maybe they are doing interstellar tourism, and there are many tour companies with different ships.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

16 minutes ago, XYZ said:

Bro, do you even secret military technology...bro?

That’s the one that points to it not being ours to me. You know the shit an officer pilot would get in for doing that shit regardless of the fancy thing he/she were flying? 

It would be levels worse than Maverick and Goose  

[washparkhorn 9920]

With military tech (public-private development) on a need-to-know basis, we have no idea what is in the pipeline - or what is leftover from the yesterday's arsenal.

I wonder how many naval aviators know the USAF still flies the U-2? 

[Parliament 14024]

8 hours ago, Doc Reeves said:

According the pentagon in 2014, 2 f-16s were flying 100ft apart and one flew between them going something like 900mph setting off all the flight collision warning sensors without causing a wake that would have ripped the wings off the planes. 

What the hell was that about? 

[Your Mom 4763]

8 hours ago, Doc Reeves said:

According the pentagon in 2014, 2 f-16s were flying 100ft apart and one flew between them going something like 900mph setting off all the flight collision warning sensors without causing a wake that would have ripped the wings off the planes. 

What the hell was that about? 

I have no idea what they saw or what the pentagon says they saw. But wake turbulence doesn’t work that way. It decreases with speed. Takeoff and landing attitudes produce the most wake, cruise produces the least. 

Im not saying it couldn’t be aliens. Of course it could be. But the assumption that is has to be is as naïve as the assumption that it has to be manmade. 

[PRONG HORN 3084]

16 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

But the assumption that is has to be is as naïve irrational as the assumption that it has to be manmade. 

 

Just like the existence of God.  It's as equally irrational to believe as it is to disbelieve.  

[XYZ 2154]

2 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

Just like the existence of God.  It's as equally irrational to believe as it is to disbelieve.  

So...50/50?

[F250 28544]

4 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

Just like the existence of God.  It's as equally irrational to believe as it is to disbelieve.  

Possibly, if you are referring to metaphysical theism/atheism but then you have agnosticism where there is simply not enough evidence to justify a belief in God. I see the alien/ufo discussion as a epistemological discussion and like agnosticism, there simply isn't enough evidence to justify a belief that these are aliens flying space ships.

 

[PRONG HORN 3084]

44 minutes ago, F250 said:

Possibly, if you are referring to metaphysical theism/atheism but then you have agnosticism where there is simply not enough evidence to justify a belief in God. I see the alien/ufo discussion as a epistemological discussion and like agnosticism, there simply isn't enough evidence to justify a belief that these are aliens flying space ships.

 

isn’t agnosticism about not knowing?  It’s not knowing one way or the other and knowing that you don’t know.  It’s not really about evidence or a lack of evidence.