UAP Pentagon Report (UFOs, Foo Fighters, Commie Drones)

[ztejas 42817]

54 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Mick West goes into detail how the most intriguing of the Navy videos is most likely pretty mundane 

 

Mick West is a fucking hack. You might as well post what Marjorie Taylor Green has to say. 

How many sorties has Mick West flown for the air force? Because dozens if not hundreds of air force pilots have provided testimony on how these things operate like nothing they've ever seen. 

West is a retired video game programmer. Dude doesn't know shit from shinola. 

Edited August 1, 2023 by ztejas

[ztejas 42817]

5 hours ago, axiom of foundation said:

If a physics professor went to a magic show, do you think he would be able to explain every illusion?

No - but other illusionists would be able to explain it. As would the illusionist himself.

Also - quit bringing up this "laws of physics" bullshit. I can't take anyone seriously that thinks that we are the only sentient life form in the entire universe and we have also already identified every law of nature and the universe to its fullest extent. 

[Hermanator 6693]

You've basically just made aliens your God and scifi your religion. There's no shred of testable, falsifiable evidence for anything you've stated and you speak like it's insane to question it.

I guarantee you didn't watch the video. West isn't a hack, and the video makes some fantastic observations that could definitely be true. You won't even watch it much less refute any of it because it goes against your "God". 

This is why science doesn't take religion seriously. 

[ztejas 42817]

16 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

You've basically just made aliens your God and scifi your religion. There's no shred of testable, falsifiable evidence for anything you've stated and you speak like it's insane to question it.

I guarantee you didn't watch the video. West isn't a hack, and the video makes some fantastic observations that could definitely be true. You won't even watch it much less refute any of it because it goes against your "God". 

This is why science doesn't take religion seriously. 

I haven't made anything my God. I've spent hours upon hours poring over all of this shit (probably unlike you) and arrived at certain beliefs that I may or may not decide to change at the drop of a hat on any given day. I'm open to all kinds of different ideas - unlike a lot of you - just not the ones that make the least sense. 

You could tell me the Gimbal video was doctored or fake or whatever and it would hardly move the needle for me. You linking one debunk video from a year ago from an extremely biased source as some sort of "gotcha" attempt is honestly hysterical. Speaking of science and religion - Mick West is basically the skeptic version of Joel Osteen - and the skeptics are becoming more and more conspiratorial.

[Dbeasy 14789]

I really don’t understand how anyone can be so definitive in their viewpoint that aliens haven’t visited us because of “physics”.  It’s such a narrow perspective. Up until recently (in earth terms) “physics” experts didn’t know about quantum mechanics and all of the “new” rules of physics. As others have said, the rules of physics have been evolving over our short existence on this planet. I see no reason why man/woman kind won’t discover new rules. 

Do any of you skeptics believe in angels? You better not or your talking out your ass. 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4962]

8 hours ago, axiom of foundation said:

If a physics professor went to a magic show, do you think he would be able to explain every illusion?  If not, do you think that's a good basis to question the laws of physics?  Scientists can test results in controlled experiments and apply rules learned from an established body of knowledge.  The videos you reference are not controlled experiments and there are too many unknown variables to draw any meaningful conclusions from them. 

Is the magician's name Robert Angier?

[Captainant 26927]

59 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I really don’t understand how anyone can be so definitive in their viewpoint that aliens haven’t visited us because of “physics”.  It’s such a narrow perspective. Up until recently (in earth terms) “physics” experts didn’t know about quantum mechanics and all of the “new” rules of physics. As others have said, the rules of physics have been evolving over our short existence on this planet. I see no reason why man/woman kind won’t discover new rules. 

Do any of you skeptics believe in angels? You better not or your talking out your ass. 

Dunning Krueger is a hell of a drug

[thunderlounge 7642]

4 hours ago, ztejas said:

Mick West is a fucking hack. You might as well post what Marjorie Taylor Green has to say. 

How many sorties has Mick West flown for the air force? Because dozens if not hundreds of air force pilots have provided testimony on how these things operate like nothing they've ever seen. 

West is a retired video game programmer. Dude doesn't know shit from shinola. 

 

Don't trust whitey!

[956 Worldwide 34016]

4 hours ago, ztejas said:

Mick West is a fucking hack. You might as well post what Marjorie Taylor Green has to say. 

How many sorties has Mick West flown for the air force? Because dozens if not hundreds of air force pilots have provided testimony on how these things operate like nothing they've ever seen. 

West is a retired video game programmer. Dude doesn't know shit from shinola. 

If we are going into reps, it’s worth noting that Ana Paulina Luna and Tim Burchett are not even a click away from MTG  on the loon scale and they were driving a lot of this recent hearing. 

[956 Worldwide 34016]

If you’re getting all up in arms about how physics isn’t real you’re sounding a lot like this guy:

 

[ChiTownDoc 20905]

Being made fun of because you reference the laws of physics.  Lol

Followed up by ‘do any of you believe in angels?!’  😂

 

[Js1 83620]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Dunning Krueger is a hell of a drug

Isn’t this thread just the Helobious effect in full force?

“I did hours of research, I am therefore a true expert and right!” 

Just waiting on ztejas, who has never once admitted on this website to having a possibly incorrect opinion about anything ranging from Texas baseball to UFOs to the NBA, to quote some TikTok comments and then cuss someone out for questioning him. 

[Dbeasy 14789]

All of these posts were complete bullshit. Refusing to acknowledge that the laws of physics have changed in the last 100 years is the definition of a flat earther you dipshits.

[ChiTownDoc 20905]

19 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

All of these posts were complete bullshit. Refusing to acknowledge that the laws of physics have changed in the last 100 years is the definition of a flat earther you dipshits.

 

[ztejas 42817]

55 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Isn’t this thread just the Helobious effect in full force?

“I did hours of research, I am therefore a true expert and right!” 

Just waiting on ztejas, who has never once admitted on this website to having a possibly incorrect opinion about anything ranging from Texas baseball to UFOs to the NBA, to quote some TikTok comments and then cuss someone out for questioning him. 

LOL what a crock of shit. Yeah - clearly I'm the one with a myopic, stubborn, unflinching world view in here that refuses to consider the possibility that I'm wrong or things may not be the way that they seem. 

I don't have a problem with skeptics. I do have a problem with uninformed skeptics that would fit in well with the Catholic Church from the 15th century. 

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

If we are going into reps, it’s worth noting that Ana Paulina Luna and Tim Burchett are not even a click away from MTG  on the loon scale and they were driving a lot of this recent hearing. 

AOC is a big proponent of these hearings. Is she a loon? 

[ztejas 42817]

31 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

All of these posts were complete bullshit. Refusing to acknowledge that the laws of physics have changed in the last 100 years is the definition of a flat earther you dipshits.

What are you talking about? Jesus was telling his disciples about gravitational waves and the Higgs Boson.

When's the last time you attended mass, Dbeasy?

[Guest]

5 hours ago, ztejas said:

No - but other illusionists would be able to explain it. As would the illusionist himself.

Also - quit bringing up this "laws of physics" bullshit. I can't take anyone seriously that thinks that we are the only sentient life form in the entire universe and we have also already identified every law of nature and the universe to its fullest extent. 

The other illusionists in this analogy would be military weapons & systems experts, and they typically don't talk publicly about new tech.

I said I'm skeptical that there is other sapient life in our galaxy, not that we are the only sentient life in the universe.  And that is just a guess based on what I know about biology and statistics.  Though I'm not an expert in biology and I am open to listening to arguments from the opposing view.

 

3 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

I really don’t understand how anyone can be so definitive in their viewpoint that aliens haven’t visited us because of “physics”.   

My argument is that the laws of physics are valid because of “physics”.  

[ChiTownDoc 20905]

1 minute ago, axiom of foundation said:

The other illusionists in this analogy would be military weapons & systems experts, and they typically don't talk publicly about new tech.

I said I'm skeptical that there is other sapient life in our galaxy, not that we are the only sentient life in the universe.  And that is just a guess based on what I know about biology and statistics.  Though I'm not an expert in biology and I am open to listening to arguments from the opposing view.

 

My argument is that the laws of physics are valid because of “physics”.  

‘I said I'm skeptical that there is other sapient life in our galaxy, not that we are the only sentient life in the universe.’

This is where I’m at.  But I’m always skeptical when I express doubt and you get a ‘wtf are you thinking bro?!’ response.  

[ztejas 42817]

2 minutes ago, axiom of foundation said:

I said I'm skeptical that there is other sapient life in our galaxy, not that we are the only sentient life in the universe. 

Where do you draw the line between sapient and sentient? 

Here's a rather large, relevant number from an article from January.

[ztejas 42817]

9 minutes ago, axiom of foundation said:

The other illusionists in this analogy would be military weapons & systems experts, and they typically don't talk publicly about new tech.

Okay but you're the one claiming physics is physics. Where is the barrier to knowledge of the physical laws of the universe? All of that information is readily and easily attainable. 

We are talking about propulsion systems that aren't particularly explainable unless you start entertaining the idea that it's possible to manipulate gravity. 

[Dbeasy 14789]

Which view of the world seems dumber:

”Mankind has learned stunning new rules of physics in just the last few hundred years. Given that, I wouldn’t want to bet that there aren't things about physics that we don’t yet fully understand that could make alien space travel to earth possible.”

Or, the views from some of the posters here:

“It’s all impossible. We know everything there is to know about physics. There is nothing left to learn. Therefore alien travel to our planet is impossible.”

Seriously you guys sound ridiculous. 

Edited August 1, 2023 by Dbeasy

[bernorange 8341]

"If Buckaroo Banzai can travel through the 8th dimension, aliens can too." - John Smallberries

~~~

What has been reported about UAPs indicate that they do not use momentum thrust-based propulsion systems to fly/travel.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/363071724_UAP_Propulsion_Principle_and_Resulting_Flight_Performance_-_Theoretical_Analysis_of_UAP_Flight_Characteristics_-

[Serak The Preparer 3413]

35 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Where do you draw the line between sapient and sentient? 

Here's a rather large, relevant number from an article from January.

Yes it's large but why is relevant? How do you use that number? What is the probability of sapient (or sentient, however you want to define it) life on any of those planets?

[ztejas 42817]

5 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

Yes it's large but why is relevant? How do you use that number? What is the probability of sapient (or sentient, however you want to define it) life on any of those planets?

I'm not sure. Just referring him to saying our galaxy vs. the universe. How many planets do you need for life? Is a billion not enough but a trillion is? Only point I was making. (i.e. if the universe has enough planets then why isn't 6 billion enough)

I also am not entirely steadfast in the belief that whatever UFOs are are actually from a different planet. My intrigue with the time-travel and inter-dimensional theories oscillates (granted I think the time travel one is the most far fetched). 

Or - maybe it is all actually organic, human-made tech. But that idea I find almost impossible to believe. 

Edited August 1, 2023 by ztejas

[Hermanator 6693]

19 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Which view of the world seems dumber:

”Mankind has learned stunning new rules of physics in just the last few hundred years. Given that, I wouldn’t want to bet that there aren't things about physics that we don’t yet fully understand that could make alien space travel to earth possible.”

Or, the views from some of the posters here:

“It’s all impossible. We know everything there is to know about physics. There is nothing left to learn. Therefore alien travel to our planet is impossible.”

Seriously you guys sound ridiculous. 

Who are you even talking to?

I know I haven't said the laws of physics as known today are absolute and 100 percent perfect. No one is saying that. You're yelling at a straw man that's absolutely ridiculous. 

What many here have said is we need a lot more proof than low resolution grainy and blurry video made by equipment designed for war purposes not scientific observation, and the word of members the US government, that these are aliens flying around us. It could be but without data to actually test to determine then there's no way to know if it is true. This is just the beginning and if the US government wanted to be up front and find out what this is they would open up and turn over all evidence of UAP they cannot explain to the Galileo Project and Dr  Loeb to disseminate to the scientific community at large for testing. Why aren't they doing that? 

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Isn’t this thread just the Helobious effect in full force?

“I did hours of research, I am therefore a true expert and right!” 

 

Don't be so sure there aren't people here that work in these scientific fields. This site isn't all lawyers even if it seems as such. 

[Serak The Preparer 3413]

Just now, ztejas said:

I'm not sure. Just referring him to saying our galaxy vs. the universe. How many planets do you need for life? Is a billion not enough but a trillion is? Only point I was making. 

I also am not entirely steadfast in the belief that whatever UFOs are are actually from a different planet. My intrigue with the time-travel and inter-dimensional theories oscillates (granted I think the time travel one is the most far fetched). 

You said it was relevant. If you're not sure how it's relevant I don't think it's relevant. I can't speak for AOC but the point I am trying to make is I have know  idea of a trillion is enough. I don't know if a quadrillion is enough. We don't have enough information to do anything more than guess as to probability of intelligent life on other planets. There is no informed speculation, just wishful thinking by anyone who thinks there either is or isn't intelligent life on other planets.

[bernorange 8341]

14 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

... We don't have enough information to do anything more than guess as to probability of intelligent life on other planets. ...

Username and avatar check out.

[wildcat09 28562]

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

Which view of the world seems dumber:

”Mankind has learned stunning new rules of physics in just the last few hundred years. Given that, I wouldn’t want to bet that there aren't things about physics that we don’t yet fully understand that could make alien space travel to earth possible.”

Or, the views from some of the posters here:

“It’s all impossible. We know everything there is to know about physics. There is nothing left to learn. Therefore alien travel to our planet is impossible.”

Seriously you guys sound ridiculous. 

Who has said this?

[ChiTownDoc 20905]

5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Who has said this?

Literally nobody on here.  But he big mad.  

[ztejas 42817]

23 minutes ago, bernorange said:

Username and avatar check out.

He isn't fooling anyone. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Where do you draw the line between sapient and sentient? 

Here's a rather large, relevant number from an article from January.

Sapient vs sentient is defined in various ways, but I think the ability to use language with hierarchically structured expressions, recursion, and modality independence is a useful defining characteristic of sapience.  Sentience is being capable of realization, perception, knowledge.  Many animals on earth are sentient, by only humans are sapient. 

Number of stars and planets alone is not enough to prove anything.  That is only one part of the equation.  My stock analogy for this is the modern deck of cards and deck orderings.  The modern 52 card deck has been around roughly 500 years.  In all that time, in every game of cards ever played, how many times has the same deck order been dealt twice from thoroughly shuffled decks?  The answer is zero, because 52! far surpasses the number of decks dealt.  If you imagine all the decks being dealt around the world in every casino and home game it would seem like the same deck order has been dealt twice, but it has almost certainly never occurred.  Our perception of large numbers, like the numbers of stars and planets in the sky, can be misleading.  

 

1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Okay but you're the one claiming physics is physics. Where is the barrier to knowledge of the physical laws of the universe? All of that information is readily and easily attainable. 

We are talking about propulsion systems that aren't particularly explainable unless you start entertaining the idea that it's possible to manipulate gravity. 

These proposed propulsion systems aren't particularly explainable because they violate the conservation of momentum, which is a fundamental symmetry of the universe. 

 

1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

Which view of the world seems dumber:

”Mankind has learned stunning new rules of physics in just the last few hundred years. Given that, I wouldn’t want to bet that there aren't things about physics that we don’t yet fully understand that could make alien space travel to earth possible.”

Or, the views from some of the posters here:

“It’s all impossible. We know everything there is to know about physics. There is nothing left to learn. Therefore alien travel to our planet is impossible.”

Seriously you guys sound ridiculous. 

Physicists develop more accurate models of nature over time.  They don't toss out centuries old established principles because of unverifiable video images.  Do you believe in any of the physical laws, or do you think alien imagination can overcome all of them? Do you think perpetual motion machines are possible?

Edited August 1, 2023 by axiom of foundation

[ztejas 42817]

15 minutes ago, axiom of foundation said:

Number of stars and planets alone is not enough to prove anything.  That is only one part of the equation.  My stock analogy for this is the modern deck of cards and deck orderings.  The modern 52 card deck has been around roughly 500 years.  In all that time, in every game of cards ever played, how many times has the same deck order been dealt twice from thoroughly shuffled decks?  The answer is zero, because 52! far surpasses the number of decks dealt.  If you imagine all the decks being dealt around the world in every casino and home game it would seem like the same deck order has been dealt twice, but it has almost certainly never occurred.  Our perception of large numbers, like the numbers of stars and planets in the sky, can be misleading.  

I understand in itself it doesn't prove anything but you said you are skeptical there is sapien life in our galaxy but not skeptical that there is sentient life in the universe. I guess my question is why, and what is the cutoff, because 6 billion is a pretty huge fucking number. Is there a larger, universe wide number you're more comfortable with - or does it more have to do with the complexity of "sapien" life? 

I mean - I have my own doubts about how common life actually is and evolution itself vs. intelligent design - especially when it comes to humans. 

My belief in life outside earth is pretty much centered in everything I've seen regarding the UFO phenomenon. 

[ztejas 42817]

Fun read btw. 

https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/scientific-report-confirms-multiple-tic-tac-ufos-were-tracked-above-80000-feet-in-space-during-west-coast-2004-encounters

Not familiar with the publication but it's well written and references plenty of key figures and legitimate sources. 

[Schulz2.0 28652]

6 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Being made fun of because you reference the laws of physics.  Lol

Followed up by ‘do any of you believe in angels?!’  😂

 

[Schulz2.0 28652]

5 hours ago, ztejas said:

AOC is a big proponent of these hearings. Is she a loon? 

From everything I've seen she's generally driven by her ideology versus facts and reason. So to an extent, yes.

Edited August 1, 2023 by Schulz2.0

[wildcat09 28562]

Yeah, I'm not clicking on a link from something called Liberation Times.

[ztejas 42817]

35 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

From everything I've seen she's generally driven by her ideology versus facts and reason. So to an extent, yes.

Not trying to CR this. Sorry. 

The point was about Mick West being a tool. 

[Dahobbs 17250]

3 hours ago, ztejas said:

Fun read btw. 

https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/scientific-report-confirms-multiple-tic-tac-ufos-were-tracked-above-80000-feet-in-space-during-west-coast-2004-encounters

Not familiar with the publication but it's well written and references plenty of key figures and legitimate sources. 

 

29 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Not trying to CR this. Sorry. 

The point was about Mick West being a tool. 

I'm sorry... Mick West is a tool but the below is entirely believable to you?

Quote

 

A 140-page scientific report, generated by a U.S. intelligence agency, analysed multiple Tic-Tac-shaped objects above 80,000 feet, which were involved in the famous 2004 Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) encounter off the coast of California.

The existence of the analysis was confirmed by investigative journalists George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell on their most recent WEAPONIZED podcast episode.

Knapp confirmed on the show that he sought to get the report submitted to the Congressional Record ahead of the UAP Public Hearing held in the House of Representatives on 26 July 2023.

However, due to concerns about hurting sources, Knapp refrained and chose not to proceed.

Corbell said the “detailed” scientific analysis describes "encounters of multiple craft above 80,000 feet” and from “space”.

He also confirmed that the analysis was unknown to naval aviators Commander David Fravor and Commander Chad Underwood, who encountered the unexplained Tic Tac objects of unknown origin during the 2004 incident.

* * *

Speaking to Liberation Times, Jeremy Corbell commented:

‘I can affirm a few things for public record, that I am directly informed about. The TIC TAC UFOs were entering into our atmosphere from space - and showed total situational dominance. 

‘We were (and still are) powerless, due to these vehicles advanced aerospace capabilities. These UAP were monitored flying with impunity within our military's restricted airspace - which is now a common occurrence, with an increased frequency. 

‘Some of the TIC TAC UFOs were “docking” (for lack of a more informed term), with a structured and maneuverable object underneath the water. This Unidentified Submerged Object (USO) was under intelligent control - and I do hope - was tracked by our classified undersea sensor systems.’

* * * 

Commenting to Liberation Times, Corbell said:

‘These Advanced Aerospace Vehicles described as TIC TAC UFOs - were entering our airspace from above the scan volume of the SPY-1 Radar - at perceived ICBM trajectories.

‘So you can understand the initial concerns we were facing as a nation when these UAP were picked up by our North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) - and various other reconnaissance platforms.’

And this guy has a "detailed analysis report" that he cannot produce, that people who testified on the subject had no knowledge of, that contains information about incidents that, if true, would represent the highest threat level to national security, would be readily observable and confirmable by multiple military, civilian, and foreign sources, and yet the most we can get is hearsay and innuendo? Seriously? 

Look, our knowledge of physics is far from perfect and complete. But, it has been tested as much as we can test it, is utilized and relied upon for our most advanced technology, and while things have changed at the edges, much of it has largely been confirmed from theories postulated 100 years ago. So yeah, if your working theory is that there is something out there that completely invalidates our understanding of physics, then you're going to need to provide some extraordinary proof or some very impressive math. Hearsay, blurry videos, affidavits from witnesses supposedly remembering something that happened 70 years ago, and bluster ain't going to cut it. Especially when it would require a conspiracy involving essentially every world government, the major scientific civilian agencies, and thousands, if not tens of thousands of people, in order to hide the actual verifiable evidence. 

In absence of that extraordinary proof, I'll go with sometimes things don't appear readily explainable, but the far more likely reason is because of incomplete information and not because of aliens. 

P.S. I'm sure some form of intelligent life has existed somewhere in the universe at some point before us or will exist after us. But the chances of it existing concurrently with us are much lower. And the chances that it has visited our planet (and built a giant submarine) are extraordinarily low. 

[ztejas 42817]

20 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

 

I'm sorry... Mick West is a tool but the below is entirely believable to you?

And this guy has a "detailed analysis report" that he cannot produce, that people who testified on the subject had no knowledge of, that contains information about incidents that, if true, would represent the highest threat level to national security, would be readily observable and confirmable by multiple military, civilian, and foreign sources, and yet the most we can get is hearsay and innuendo? Seriously? 

Look, our knowledge of physics is far from perfect and complete. But, it has been tested as much as we can test it, is utilized and relied upon for our most advanced technology, and while things have changed at the edges, much of it has largely been confirmed from theories postulated 100 years ago. So yeah, if your working theory is that there is something out there that completely invalidates our understanding of physics, then you're going to need to provide some extraordinary proof or some very impressive math. Hearsay, blurry videos, affidavits from witnesses supposedly remembering something that happened 70 years ago, and bluster ain't going to cut it. Especially when it would require a conspiracy involving essentially every world government, the major scientific civilian agencies, and thousands, if not tens of thousands of people, in order to hide the actual verifiable evidence. 

In absence of that extraordinary proof, I'll go with sometimes things don't appear readily explainable, but the far more likely reason is because of incomplete information and not because of aliens. 

P.S. I'm sure some form of intelligent life has existed somewhere in the universe at some point before us or will exist after us. But the chances of it existing concurrently with us are much lower. And the chances that it has visited our planet (and built a giant submarine) are extraordinarily low. 

I'm not sure what this comment is adding to the discussion. We're just going in circles here. 

You aren't convinced, obviously. Some of us are. 

Edited August 1, 2023 by ztejas

[Dahobbs 17250]

19 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I'm not sure what this comment is adding to the discussion. We're just going in circles here. 

You aren't convinced, obviously. Some of us are. 

I get that you're convinced. I just don't get why. If that website is the type of information you find credible with "legitimate sources," then it seems it takes very little convince you. Bat baby in the National Enquirer was more believable. 

[ChickenNuggets 1605]

13 hours ago, ztejas said:

Mick West is a fucking hack. You might as well post what Marjorie Taylor Green has to say. 

How many sorties has Mick West flown for the air force? Because dozens if not hundreds of air force pilots have provided testimony on how these things operate like nothing they've ever seen. 

West is a retired video game programmer. Dude doesn't know shit from shinola. 

Jesus... point on the doll where West touched you... 

[Hermanator 6693]

George Knapp was a frequent fill in host for Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM radio. I enjoyed it as much as the next guy on those long late night road trips but it's loony hour for sure. Basing any scientific conclusions on what anyone, let alone Coast to Coast weirdos, have to say is the epitome of face palm. 

I don't think anyone here is denying that UAP are a seemingly real phenomena and many people are having experiences they can't explain. Just can't draw any legitimate conclusions on it based on hearsay and no real evidence that can be scrutinized and examined. I really hope they find actual data soon and we get a better understanding. 

[ztejas 42817]

57 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I get that you're convinced. I just don't get why. If that website is the type of information you find credible with "legitimate sources," then it seems it takes very little convince you. Bat baby in the National Enquirer was more believable. 

All I said was it was a fun read. I'm just posting UFO stuff in the UFO thread. I didn't mean for it to come across as anything I think is evidence or an "I told you so". The only thing I'm very firm on is that I think there is plenty of UAP/UFO stuff that is absolutely not the US government or China. I'll entertain almost any other ideas and the speculation is what I find fun. 

49 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

George Knapp was a frequent fill in host for Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM radio. I enjoyed it as much as the next guy on those long late night road trips but it's loony hour for sure. Basing any scientific conclusions on what anyone, let alone Coast to Coast weirdos, have to say is the epitome of face palm. 

He and Corbell need to be taken with a grain of salt for sure. Of any of those guys James Fox is by far my favorite. 

But - they do have a lot of ins and connections and have dug down some deep rabbit holes with some legit sources. 

Edited August 1, 2023 by ztejas

[ztejas 42817]

Speaking of fun speculation stuff, here is some crazy shit.

 

[956 Worldwide 34016]

10 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Who are you even talking to?

I know I haven't said the laws of physics as known today are absolute and 100 percent perfect. No one is saying that. You're yelling at a straw man that's absolutely ridiculous. 

What many here have said is we need a lot more proof than low resolution grainy and blurry video made by equipment designed for war purposes not scientific observation, and the word of members the US government, that these are aliens flying around us. It could be but without data to actually test to determine then there's no way to know if it is true. This is just the beginning and if the US government wanted to be up front and find out what this is they would open up and turn over all evidence of UAP they cannot explain to the Galileo Project and Dr  Loeb to disseminate to the scientific community at large for testing. Why aren't they doing that? 

Don't be so sure there aren't people here that work in these scientific fields. This site isn't all lawyers even if it seems as such. 

Most of the observations of UAP were made using military technology, which is indisputable, and you don’t just hand that data and evidence over because some people want to hunt for aliens. 
 

In the “disputable but highly possible” camp, many of these observations were of either classified U.S. technology or adversary technology and we don’t want to share what we know about that because of people who need to hunt for aliens. 
 

As with Area 51– the terrestrial explanation of “the U.S. government keeps a lot of military data secret” is more than sufficient. 
 

As far as the UAP themselves, any potential  ET explanation begins with the assumption that the observations are:

1. Of some sort of mechanical object 

2. That the “physics defying” movements they appear to be making are in fact being made. 
 

Those are two really big assumptions that have not yet moved beyond the assumption stage. 

[JMFP 1113]

7 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Most of the observations of UAP were made using military technology, which is indisputable, and you don’t just hand that data and evidence over because some people want to hunt for aliens. 
 

In the “disputable but highly possible” camp, many of these observations were of either classified U.S. technology or adversary technology and we don’t want to share what we know about that because of people who need to hunt for aliens. 
 

As with Area 51– the terrestrial explanation of “the U.S. government keeps a lot of military data secret” is more than sufficient. 
 

As far as the UAP themselves, any potential  ET explanation begins with the assumption that the observations are:

1. Of some sort of mechanical object 

2. That the “physics defying” movements they appear to be making are in fact being made. 
 

Those are two really big assumptions that have not yet moved beyond the assumption stage. 

 

 

These pilots' stories are fairly well known, they saw the 'tic tac' in person. CDR Fravor testified at the UAP hearing.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-ufo-sighting-60-minutes-2021-05-16/

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During their training exercise Fravor and Dietrich, each with a weapons system officer in the back seat of their F/A-18F, say they were diverted to investigate the anomalous object. They say at first they found an area of roiling whitewater the size of a Boeing 737. And then they saw something strange above the water.

"We saw this little white Tic-Tac-looking object… and it's just kind of moving above the whitewater area," Fravor recounted.

"No predictable movement, no predictable trajectory," said Dietrich.

As Dietrich circled above, Fravor went down for a closer look. He said the object was about the size of his F/A-18F, with no markings, no wings, and no exhaust plumes. As soon as Fravor tried to cut off the UAP, it accelerated so quickly that it seemed to disappear, he recalled. Seconds later, the USS Princeton reacquired the UAP on its radar. It was approximately 60 miles away. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ztejas 42817]

Another former fighter pilot that testified. Ryan Graves.

(and there are countless other military, commercial and civilian pilots that have reported seeing extremely similar craft whether they have testified or not or whether video exists. even at least one astronaut I believe - but I think it's more like a few of them)

Edited August 2, 2023 by ztejas

[Keef 729]

On 8/1/2023 at 12:46 AM, Hermanator said:

Mick West goes into detail how the most intriguing of the Navy videos is most likely pretty mundane 

 

Mick West is a fuckhead.  The notion that Mick West knows more about what happened than the best pilots in our Navy - armed with the most advanced tech we have - and the radar operators on the aircraft carrier is insane.  

[Bill Lumbergh 7168]

It's not religion, but at some level arguing this stuff feels like arguing religion.

It's going to be impossible, at this stage, for anyone to conclusively prove anything in either direction.  Belief is in how you choose to view a set of shared information everyone has, but no one can fully understand.

Personally I think it's more fun to entertain the possibility that things are going on around us that are of an origin we don't understand.  I don't spend a lot of time on it, but do enjoy reading new things when they come out.  I don't believe there's a high probability the most outlandish explanation is the most likely, but I do think it's the more fun thought to entertain.

People being violently for or against a view on this stuff seems silly.  No one really knows.  Just view it all as incomplete parts to a puzzle that maybe will or maybe won't get more clear in our lifetime.

[ztejas 42817]

8 minutes ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

It's not religion, but at some level arguing this stuff feels like arguing religion.

Depends on which aspect is being debated. Personally, for me, it feels more like debating politics or history that features differing accounts or conspiratorial elements (i.e. did we know about Pearl Harbor or not, was Bay of Pigs a false flag, did Hitler escape etc.).

The "they are from another planet and travel FTL" stuff is very religious like in nature and I openly admit that despite edging towards believing it.

The "there is crazy shit in our airspace that no one knows what the fuck it is and if they do they're lying about it and/or withholding information" isn't.