Shaka Smart - Out at UT In at Marquette

[Radical Larry 28641]

26 minutes ago, Steel Shank said:

I think Beard stays in Lubbock. You people underestimate how people think.

I heard CDC put in a clause in Beard's contract that will deliver ice cold Bud Light on demand. 

 

Your move, Lubbock. 

[Machinator 32099]

Just now, longhornmatt said:

But the hope is that doubt has crept into his mind since then about whether Tech and Lubbock are putting a ceiling on his teams.  Since then, Moretti left Tech to play in Europe.   Ramsey went 1 and done even though he only got drafted in the 2nd round.  Nimari Burnett, his highest rated recruit to date, transferred out halfway through his freshman season.  If he becomes convinced he will have a hard time keeping talent in Lubbock even when they’re winning, he could decide a place like Texas will give him a materially better opportunity to win big.

Devil's advocate: is that a Lubbock/Tech problem or a Beard problem?

[Bill Brasky 1449]

such a shame that Shaka is gone.   such a shame.   

[CurlyDumps 4476]

Anyone else getting fucking drunk tonight?

[LTtxfan 49249]

Just walking away from $7mill seems crazy -- If Shaka really left without any additional money from TEXAS good on CDC and Shaka.

Still wouldn't be surprised to later learn that CDC encouraged Shaka to look elsewhere, and threw in a little going away money to help make the deal to Marquette happen...

 

[Red Five 40862]

Just walking away from $7mill seems crazy -- If Shaka really left without any additional money from TEXAS good on CDC and Shaka.
Still wouldn't be surprised to later learn that CDC encouraged Shaka to look elsewhere, and threw in a little going away money to help make the deal to Marquette happen...
 

I don’t know if we pitched in but otherwise that’s exactly what happened.

[closetohumping 17449]

3 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Just walking away from $7mill seems crazy -- If Shaka really left without any additional money from TEXAS good on CDC and Shaka.

Still wouldn't be surprised to later learn that CDC encouraged Shaka to look elsewhere, and threw in a little going away money to help make the deal to Marquette happen...

 

So flesh it out.  Shaka is already a lame duck. Next years roster looks like ass.  He may coach and make that 3.5 million but another shot season and now a job like Marquette is out of. The question. Timing works well for Shaka. He just won the big 12 tourney and he’s not passing up 7 mill guaranteed.  Marquette will pay hi similarly 

[LTtxfan 49249]

7 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

So flesh it out.  Shaka is already a lame duck. Next years roster looks like ass.  He may coach and make that 3.5 million but another shot season and now a job like Marquette is out of. The question. Timing works well for Shaka. He just won the big 12 tourney and he’s not passing up 7 mill guaranteed.  Marquette will pay hi similarly 

If the Marquette money is $3.6mill per year or greater with a 5 year deal, that's a win for everyone except Marquette.

Not sure if Shaka's TEXAS contract had a buyout provision that Marquette would be expected to pay, but if so CDC might have waived that money to help Shaka get to his new job.  😋

[closetohumping 17449]

5 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

If the Marquette money is $3.6mill per year or greater with a 5 year deal, that's a win for everyone except Marquette.

Not sure if Shaka's TEXAS contract had a buyout provision that Marquette would be expected to pay, but if so CDC might have waived that money to help Shaka get to his new job.  😋

You never know, maybe Shaka crushes it there though I think the big east has some marquee schools.  But Shaka may just be better at a mid major.  Bottom line is Shaka gets to save face and keep his money.  He didn't lose anything. Neitehr did we.

[UpperWestside 6169]

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

These guys don't have hobbies, or any lives outside of their jobs for that matter.  Quality of life is nothing but "Can I win a championship there?"

One of the exceptions to this is Mark Few. He is an avid fly fisherman and it is something he has talked about many times as one of the reasons he has never left Spokane. I think he did say he goes out often on his own to do it though. There are a small group of them that are not married to the job and he would be among those.

[Tired Horn 738]

1 hour ago, Bill Brasky said:

such a shame that Shaka is gone.   such a shame.   

Well you have to admit he achieved something--he united the fan base.

Almost all of us were sick of him.

Edited March 27, 2021 by Tired Horn
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[Tired Horn 738]

29 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

So flesh it out.  Shaka is already a lame duck. Next years roster looks like ass.  He may coach and make that 3.5 million but another shot season and now a job like Marquette is out of. The question. Timing works well for Shaka. He just won the big 12 tourney and he’s not passing up 7 mill guaranteed.  Marquette will pay hi similarly 

I'm reading the Marquette press release about how pleased they are to have Shaka...

Bizarro world. Have they watched him for the last six years?

[closetohumping 17449]

2 minutes ago, Tired Horn said:

I'm reading the Marquette press release about how pleased they are to have Shaka...

Bizarro world. Have they watched him for the last six years?

They haven't won a tourney game in 8 years.  Shaka represents hope!!!  Didn't they used to have Buzz Williams?

[cafe society 2872]

Every person in the sports media - particularly those in west Texas with sources at Tech and knowledge re:  child custody chronology - feel strongly that Beard and UT are in agreement and waiting for buyout clauses to reach their logical termini.  I have no knowledge myself, but I have acquaintances.   These may be incorrect assumptions on their part, but the assumptions are prevalent.  

[Napoleon 8689]

6 hours ago, Chad said:

Shaka didn't win a tourney game at Texas over the span of 6 years and Marquette hasn't won a tourney game in 8 years......it's a match made in heaven.

 

1 hour ago, Tired Horn said:

I'm reading the Marquette press release about how pleased they are to have Shaka...

Bizarro world. Have they watched him for the last six EIGHT years?

 

1 hour ago, closetohumping said:

They haven't won a tourney game in 8 years.  Shaka represents hope!!!  Didn't they used to have Buzz Williams?

Shaka DID NOT WIN AN NCAA Tournament Game is last two years at VCU.

SHAKA SMART HAS NOT WON AN NCAA TOURNAMENT GAME IN 8 YEARS!

During Marquette's coach before WoJo's last year and then the entire tenure of Wojo in Milwaukee, Shaka Smart didn't win an NCAA Tournament game. I've now said that THREE times. What in the actual FUCK are the BMDs of Marquette actually thinking? They had better surround him with some great assistant coaches or they are staring down the barrel of a decade and a half of failure.

[Degenerate Gardner 4085]

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Edited March 27, 2021 by Degenerate Gardner
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[shadow_operative 15932]

1 hour ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

Shaka did nothing here deserving of such ire. 

i actually agree with everything you said after this, but this part isn't true. i really wish that i could expound more, but i can't do so without outing/doxxing the former players who've told me some stories about Shaka. the bottom line is this (and i've alluded to this before)- i know for a fact that Shaka, who does represent the university well and who puts up a pretty great public image, has a nasty habit of playing mind games with/freezing out guys who aren't "his guys". whether it's a player he inherited, or a player who for whatever reason found himself at odds with Shaka, coach Smart has treated some of his players in some seriously immature and at times downright fucked up ways. like, you'd be upset and angry and like, "ok, fuck Shaka Smart" if you knew what i know. again, this is such lame shit for me to be posting; i know that. i wish i could get more specific, but i can't.

here is something i can say though- during the entire six years that Shaka was here, how many of his starters were ever demoted or benched, and how many of his bench players ever *earned* a larger role? we all know that these things rarely happened during Shaka's time as HC here, and that is emblematic of what i'm talking about. if you're one of Shaka's guys, what can you do to get benched? to lose minutes? to have your role reduced? unfortunately, the only answer (which is "cross Shaka Smart") has nothing to do with on-court performance. his guys are his guys, and the other guys don't matter. 

Jordan Barnett and James Banks? Shaka had no use for them; G Tech and Mizzou were very happy to take them off his hands. Prince Ibeh? gets no PT until Cam breaks his foot. Turns out to be the Big XII DPOY. Royce Hamm and Brock Cunningham? these dudes couldn't even get meaningful run in November/December games, and then all they did was save Shaka's job when injuries forced him to play them during the stretch run of Big XII play. Demarcus Holland and Kendal Yancy? Holland went from the team captain, senior leader, first-in/last-out, Big XII all-defense team member to being demoted and actually sat out of games that he was healthy for. Yancy rode the pine on our 11 win team until Shaka said "fuck it" and played him and it turned out that he was one of our more steady, calm, and consistent players. Greg Brown gets upset with something and, as sometimes happens with teenagers, needs to be calmed down. the result? he plays a total of 6 minutes vs ACU in a game where they outrebound us on the offensive glass 18-5. Matt Coleman could have taken three consecutive shots from half court and not been punished at all, but GB III needs to be taught some lesson for being upset with Shaka, in the most important game of Shaka's career no less.

meanwhile, Ramey and Jones will pull up from 23 feet with 25 seconds left on the shot clock with Texas down by 7 with 2:30 left and it doesn't move Shaka's needle. Matt Coleman can *disappear* for an entire half or more, and there will be no discernible amount of coaching, benching, teaching, nothing from Shaka. Matt will just play his standard 35 minutes and he'll either figure it out at some point or he won't. Ramey can aimlessly drive, leave his feet, take a bad shot/turn the ball over three times in five possessions, and Shaka doesn't notice. meanwhile Royce Hamm breathes wrong and he's out of the mix. 

again, i seriously wish that i could tell specific stories without doxxing people who trusted me with said stories, but i can't. all i can do is point to the above anecdotes and hope that y'all can connect the dots here with regards to Shaka being this "great man". if you're his guy, he's your mentor and role model. if you aren't, then the guy can be a total charlatan who fucks with your head and tries to gaslight you into submission. there are certainly worse guys out there- he's no Gregg Marshall- but he's not the guy he portrays himself to be, and i won't be rooting particularly hard for him moving forward. 

[ChickenSandwich 9843]

Dead horse beaten

Edited March 27, 2021 by ChickenSandwich

[Wanker Bob 379]

16 hours ago, Dr. Teeth said:

If Beard is hired, it just has to work out. Or we have to start wondering about what the fuck is the institutional issue. 

Now you're starting to get it. 

[LTtxfan 49249]

6 hours ago, closetohumping said:

So flesh it out.  Shaka is already a lame duck. Next years roster looks like ass.  He may coach and make that 3.5 million but another shot season and now a job like Marquette is out of. The question. Timing works well for Shaka. He just won the big 12 tourney and he’s not passing up 7 mill guaranteed.  Marquette will pay hi similarly 

Thought about this more, and your points are solid.  With only two years left at TEXAS and next years team looking like it would struggle, Shaka made the better business decision to leave now.  Had Shaka stayed another year, he likely would end up with another bad season and his market value for a new job would have been far worse.

Freeing up the $7.1 million obligation TEXAS would owe Shaka if they had fired him now is a major win for CDC and really helps financially with the transition to hiring the next coach.  So thank you Shaka for winning the B12 Tournament and then sucking enough to lose to ACU...  😂😂😂

[CurlyDumps 4476]

8 hours ago, youdunnf'dup said:

If by sniff the idea you mean use as leverage but never truly consider it, then yes. I agree. But Texas isn’t enough of a step up for a coach the caliber of Beard. This ain’t football or baseball. Basketball is 3rd in the pecking order. If Kentucky came calling that’s an easy decision. Beard isn’t leaving tech unless a basketball blue blood came calling. We are not even close to that.

And when will Kentucky come calling? 5 years? 10? Texas is open right now.

Beard is a born and bred Texan with deep ties to the state. Maybe that means more to him than you’re factoring in.  Maybe he looks at Barnes’ run and thinks damn, I’ll fucking crush it there. I can go on an even better 15 year run at the flagship university of my home state with half the expectations of Indiana or Kentucky.  And as @longhornmatt alluded to, not be burdened by having to sell Lubbock year in and year out.

[Herpa Derpa 6126]

7 hours ago, Steel Shank said:

I think Beard stays in Lubbock. You people underestimate how people think.

One never knows. I thought those people positing that Shaka would walk away from the gig and willingly go to another school were downright laughable. Would never happen in a million years, I derisively scoffed. Turns out I was the joke.

Very few people actually know what's going on, and I'd be willing to bet none of them are posting on Surly (possibly lurking. Hi CDC!) Beard is a viable, logical candidate. There is currently an opportunity for him to become the Head Coach at Texas. He began his career at Texas and has said in the past he would love to coach here. That is all we really know. The rest is just the eyewash that keeps the internet turning.

[CurlyDumps 4476]

9 hours ago, immamac said:

The money was there. 

Brad Kellner was adamant about this on the radio. Didn’t mention money, but said more than once that Shaka was gonna be fired if he didn’t move on.

Also said he heard one tourney win would have saved his job for another year. 

Let Marquette believe this is Texas spin. Lol. They’ll soon realize it wasn’t.

Edited March 27, 2021 by CurlyDumps

[Steel Shank 9428]

7 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

This, except I think you mean "overestimate."

Beard doesn't give a shit that Austin is more scenic than Lubbock, or that it has better restaurants and hiking trails.  

These guys don't have hobbies, or any lives outside of their jobs for that matter.  Quality of life is nothing but "Can I win a championship there?"

You said it better than I.

[JesusSweatDuck 17784]

8 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

This, except I think you mean "overestimate."

Beard doesn't give a shit that Austin is more scenic than Lubbock, or that it has better restaurants and hiking trails.  

These guys don't have hobbies, or any lives outside of their jobs for that matter.  Quality of life is nothing but "Can I win a championship there?"

You forget these guys have wives and kids. While it won't be the main factor in taking a job, if the wife hates where she lives I will guarantee you it will factor I to the decision making process. The daily bitching about it takes a toll. This is speaking from experience

[ClubWhatever 12145]

It’s interesting to me that the Texas website and official social media don’t even acknowledge that Shaka left.  It’s like, poof, he’s dead to us. 

[Surly Bevo 25048]

8 hours ago, Steel Shank said:

I think Beard stays in Lubbock. You people underestimate how people think.

Lotta easy snatch in Lubbock

[closetohumping 17449]

57 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Thought about this more, and your points are solid.  With only two years left at TEXAS and next years team looking like it would struggle, Shaka made the better business decision to leave now.  Had Shaka stayed another year, he likely would end up with another bad season and his market value for a new job would have been far worse.

Freeing up the $7.1 million obligation TEXAS would owe Shaka if they had fired him now is a major win for CDC and really helps financially with the transition to hiring the next coach.  So thank you Shaka for winning the B12 Tournament and then sucking enough to lose to ACU...  😂😂😂

You know life is funny if that acu kid misses those free throws, Shaka is still the coach.  It was an awful foul tok

[phdhorn 6224]

8 hours ago, Steel Shank said:

I think Beard stays in Lubbock. You people underestimate how people think.

I think Beard leaves Lubbock.  You people underestimate the smell of cowshit ramping up in warm weather.

[Longboard Horn 40333]

The only positive things in the Shaka era: we won the NIT tourney and won our first big 12 basketball title. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

the NIT win means nothing to me. i couldn't even tell you who we played in the final. there have been a million regular season games that meant more to me than winning the NIT. 

[Surly Bevo 25048]

5 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

i couldn't even tell you who we played in the final.

Lipscomb....we played a team called Lipscomb in the finals.  No shit.

[CurlyDumps 4476]

6 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

The only positive things in the Shaka era: we won the NIT tourney and won our first big 12 basketball title. 

Maui Invitational bruh. Do we get a banner for that?

[J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. 1084]

7 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

If the Marquette money is $3.6mill per year or greater with a 5 year deal, that's a win for everyone except Marquette.

 

I'm sure Villanova and Creighton are in favor of this

[NTVTXN 1432]

26 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

It’s interesting to me that the Texas website and official social media don’t even acknowledge that Shaka left.  It’s like, poof, he’s dead to us. 

Why should they? 
The Regional/Nat’l media has done that for them.

Anything additional could potentially come off as negative/petty, or whatever else you want to call it. “Bad optics”, as they say.

He’s chosen to leave. The University has also moved along. 

[closetohumping 17449]

4 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Lipscomb....we played a team called Lipscomb in the finals.  No shit.

Was Lon Krueger or Kevin Sampson their coach?

[shadow_operative 15932]

lmao. sweet, simple Marquette fans just have no idea who they just hired.

 

[Pimphand 5764]

Thank god he left because this way CDC can't keep him around.  Now all CDC can do is buttfuck the hiring process and get us another alcoholic to represent the university. Maybe we can get a full AA convention up in here.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

This I completely agree with, and it’s why we would have had no shot with Beard two years ago coming off his national title game season.  

But the hope is that doubt has crept into his mind since then about whether Tech and Lubbock are putting a ceiling on his teams.  Since then, Moretti left Tech to play in Europe.   Ramsey went 1 and done even though he only got drafted in the 2nd round.  Nimari Burnett, his highest rated recruit to date, transferred out halfway through his freshman season.  If he becomes convinced he will have a hard time keeping talent in Lubbock even when they’re winning, he could decide a place like Texas will give him a materially better opportunity to win big.

Moretti didn't leave because of Beard though.  Combine Covid pandemic with being an international player who had had a great career at Tech, and there is virtually nobody who has hard feelings about his decision to go get paid. Moretti is a good dude and worked his ass off for Tech and Beard.

Ramsey followed his particular script and that's not to say it was selfish or not.  The consensus was that he was 1-and-done type talent; and that's what happened.

Nimari Burnett didn't like Beard's coaching style.  Oh fucking well.  It was better of him to quit so he stopped taking up space/ energy on the team.

Austin vs LBK has fuck-all to do with any of these situations.

 

[TxTower 652]

You know life is funny if that acu kid misses those free throws, Shaka is still the coach.  It was an awful foul tok

This right here. I don’t think people fully appreciate we were just two foul shots away from him still being in Austin. Kid from ACU did us a favor.


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[youdunnf'dup 2147]

1 hour ago, CurlyDumps said:

And when will Kentucky come calling? 5 years? 10? Texas is open right now.

Beard is a born and bred Texan with deep ties to the state. Maybe that means more to him than you’re factoring in.  Maybe he looks at Barnes’ run and thinks damn, I’ll fucking crush it there. I can go on an even better 15 year run at the flagship university of my home state with half the expectations of Indiana or Kentucky.  And as @longhornmatt alluded to, not be burdened by having to sell Lubbock year in and year out.

I would think he’d jump on Indiana way before he’d consider Texas, but hey man. I could be wrong. I just think Indiana is a much better job from a basketball coaches perspective. 

[Longboard Horn 40333]

38 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

Maui Invitational bruh. Do we get a banner for that?

That's more of a "for funsies" tourney 

[Wild Bill 324]

[Catdaddyhorn 3446]

10 hours ago, youdunnf'dup said:

If by sniff the idea you mean use as leverage but never truly consider it, then yes. I agree. But Texas isn’t enough of a step up for a coach the caliber of Beard. This ain’t football or baseball. Basketball is 3rd in the pecking order. If Kentucky came calling that’s an easy decision. Beard isn’t leaving tech unless a basketball blue blood came calling. We are not even close to that.

I know we have tremendous history in baseball and everything but come the fuck on. Baseball doesn't even get a full allotment of scholarships for all of its players. A significant percentage of the NCAA doesn't even play baseball. Basketball is not 3rd in the fucking pecking order. Nor will it ever be, 

[Sir Ulrich 5187]

6 minutes ago, youdunnf'dup said:

I would think he’d jump on Indiana way before he’d consider Texas, but hey man. I could be wrong. I just think Indiana is a much better job from a basketball coaches perspective. 

They have almost become the Nebraska of college basketball so that's not the biggest hurdle. If it was 2005 then there would be zero chance of us winning that battle. 

[Rockethorn1978 6093]

Holy fuck reading those Marquette fans posts makes me kinda feel bad for them. Have they not watched any Shaka games since vcu? Style of play? Hahahahaha. 

[GreenspointTexas 9649]

1 minute ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

Holy fuck reading those Marquette fans posts makes me kinda feel bad for them. Have they not watched any Shaka games since vcu? Style of play? Hahahahaha. 

“Dont shoot... let em burn!!!”

[jinx 2635]

19 minutes ago, youdunnf'dup said:

I would think he’d jump on Indiana way before he’d consider Texas, but hey man. I could be wrong. I just think Indiana is a much better job from a basketball coaches perspective. 

Not that Texas has a glowing resume, but please remind me what Indiana has done in basketball in the last 30 years. I honestly don’t remember anything significant except for firing Bob Knight. 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

12 minutes ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

I know we have tremendous history in baseball and everything but come the fuck on. Baseball doesn't even get a full allotment of scholarships for all of its players. A significant percentage of the NCAA doesn't even play baseball. Basketball is not 3rd in the fucking pecking order. Nor will it ever be, 

I phrased that poorly. I meant when people think about Texas athletics, they think “one of the blue bloods in college football, and arguably the richest history of any school for college baseball. Oh yeah, they play basketball too.” I feel like even when we’re going good, we don’t exactly have a reputation for selling out the Frank Erwin center every night.

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

1 minute ago, jinx said:

Not that Texas has a glowing resume, but please remind me what Indiana has done in basketball in the last 30 years. I honestly don’t remember anything significant except for firing Bob Knight. 

They’re a college basketball blue blood. I would assume most coaches around the country would view that as a better job than Texas, but again. I could be wrong.