Brexit shenanigans

[Loco 3752]

[Bama Chick 28596]

The face of the man who becomes the first MP to lose his first Commons vote since 1894.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

 

[elfenix 34251]

What were they voting on?  A bill to block no-deal Brexit? 

Procedural vote to allow debate on a bill to block no deal brexit

[DDD Dad 14339]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Russia wins every single time. 

[DDD Dad 14339]

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Edited September 3, 2019 by DDD Dad
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[Bama Chick 28596]

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[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

7 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Russia goals:  discredit Western Democracy as a failed system of government, break up the EU/NATO alliances, and destabilize the institutions of the western powers. 

This never ending Brexit catastrophe advances all these goals regardless of how it ends.  Sad but true.  Fuck Putin.

Edited September 3, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

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That picture will make the history books.

[elfenix 34251]

and the moogle slept on

[cactusflinthead 27598]

But senior sources in Brussels said they had not seen concrete proposals from the UK on a new deal, and some described the UK’s attempts at negotiations as a “fantasy” for domestic consumption.

And according to leaks from inside Downing Street, reported in the British media, the government’s current strategy is that deal negotiations with the EU are a “sham” designed to “run down the clock”.

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Johnson came under attack from another Conservative during the debate: former Chancellor Ken Clarke.

Clarke said Johnson had an “obvious strategy” to set unrealistic conditions making a no-deal Brexit inevitable, and to “make sure as much blame as possible is attached to the EU and to this House for that consequence”.

“Then as quickly as he can [he will] fight a flag-waving general election before the consequences of no-deal become too obvious to the public,” he said.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/johnson-government-fatally-wounded-as-raucous-parliament-debates-brexit-20190904-p52nob.html

[Bama Chick 28596]

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[hpslugga 4062]

This is hilarious

[F250 28777]

24 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

This is hilarious

One of the perks of having a parliamentary system.

[Js1 85347]

What the fuck are half the words in this thread? 

[JimmyJames 12271]

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Russia goals:  discredit Western Democracy as a failed system of government, break up the EU/NATO alliances, and destabilize the institutions of the western powers. 

This never ending Brexit catastrophe advances all these goals regardless of how it ends.  Sad but true.  Fuck Putin.

Well ok. What’s your solution to that then instead of what’s happening? 

[RayDog 682]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Russia goals:  discredit Western Democracy as a failed system of government, break up the EU/NATO alliances, and destabilize the institutions of the western powers. 

This never ending Brexit catastrophe advances all these goals regardless of how it ends.  Sad but true.  Fuck Putin.

One thing I love about the green new deal is it will reduce oil and gas demand so much that it will destabilize Russia and hopefully bring an end to Putin.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

8 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Well ok. What’s your solution to that then instead of what’s happening? 

Find a way to give the population a way to opt out of Brexit democratically.  It’s debatable on how to do that but it needs to be done.  If they still want to Brexit, they should have a say on how It’s done. 

Also,

Full embargo of Russia.  Beef up Global Magnitsky initiative. Supply Ukrainian forces with defense support.  Make Putin a global pariah.

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[achooloco 1072]

4 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

 

What does this mean and what are the implications going forward? 

Isn’t a whip the spokesperson for the party within that house/chamber? I’m guessing they are kicked out of the Tory party with the “deselected” part but not sure what “they’ve lost the conservative whip” means. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

From what I’ve read, they have a MP of each party that acts like what we have - whipping the members to vote how the party wants AND the term whip is used in the following way -

What does having the whip withdrawn mean?

Losing the whip, or having it withdrawn, is very serious business. It effectively means that an MP or peer is expelled from their party because they have not followed strict instruction from the leadership.

However they do not lose their seat. Until the whip is restored, they sit as an independent in their chamber.

[F250 28777]

6 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Russia goals:  discredit Western Democracy as a failed system of government, break up the EU/NATO alliances, and destabilize the institutions of the western powers. 

This never ending Brexit catastrophe advances all these goals regardless of how it ends.  Sad but true.  Fuck Putin.

The British have done a pretty good job of discrediting democracy on their own. The Irish in Northern Ireland were not allowed to vote until 1922 and then after that many were prevented from voting until the 1970's until the enactment of universal suffrage. Shit, it wasn't until most of our lifetime that the Irish in Northern Ireland were given the right to vote. Then The Troubles began and British troops and police occupied Northern Ireland the way American troops occupied Iraq until the late 90's until the Good Friday Agreement finally settled things. Then Brexit happens and threatens to plunge Northern Ireland right back into The Troubles.

The crazy thing is, the threat of a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland was treated as a side effect by the British and the media and pretty much ignored by most on this thread. Democracy is the United Kingdom has never been that great unless you were English.

 

[RayDog 682]

I knew a lot of Irish when I lived in Bulgaria including one from Northern Ireland. They were all convinced that if the British put up a hard border the border guards would be killed.

[Tuco 5076]

John Oliver has said the same. There is a decent chance this sparks old violence in Northern Ireland. I have a hard time believing that, but I don’t know the situation.

[HenryJames 66076]

 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Why don't they have a ranked choice referendum:   the May plan, no-deal Brexit, or no Brexit at all? 

[Fozzz 152]

lol why would anyone listen to anything that pedophile Blair has to say?  

[tx 3 putt 76975]

This is history unfolding before our eyes 

[F250 28777]

1 hour ago, Tuco said:

John Oliver has said the same. There is a decent chance this sparks old violence in Northern Ireland. I have a hard time believing that, but I don’t know the situation.

The sectarian violence in Northern Ireland ended in '98. Consider how 9/11 still shapes American politics and our culture of fear. There are a lot of people on both sides in N.I. that remember losing a family member to the other side. It doesn't help that places like Belfast remain divided by sectarian neighborhoods with murals honoring either the victims or perpetrators of previous acts of violence.

The GFA and EU membership created a virtual Unified Ireland by erasing the border and allowing the freedom of movement along with labor and capital. Plus it pacified the Unionists by allowing them to remain within the U.K. Everyone benefited enough to be satisfied with the compromise.

Brexit will end the open border, damaging the economy of Northern Ireland which isn't that great to begin with then you put English police back on the border searching Irish Catholics, what could go wrong?

 

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

British politics are fucking wild.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20400]

1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

British politics are fucking wild.

 

No shit. Check out this scene. Things not going real well for Boris at the moment:

 

 

[relapse98 634]

Letterboxes? Oy.

This shit stain is on the Tories, they elected that coastal New Yorker elite their Prime Minister, now they get to live with it.

[Celery Man 20961]

Good thread for anyone having a hard time following

 

[Js1 85347]

7 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

Good thread for anyone having a hard time following

 

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[F250 28777]

Pence tramples on his Irishness after representing the Trump administration during his visit to Ireland.

 

[Lurch 5930]

[Lagunamadre 1975]

23 minutes ago, Lurch said:

 

John Bercow is a treasure. 

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[Ghost of LL 15531]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

That, by the way, is misleading.  298 voted for a snap election; only 56 against.  But the Fixed Parliaments Term Act requires a 2/3rds majority of the 650-member House to call an election, which obviously wasn't there.

[Js1 85347]

2 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

That, by the way, is misleading.  298 voted for a snap election; only 56 against.  But the Fixed Parliaments Term Act requires a 2/3rds majority of the 650-member House to call an election, which obviously wasn't there.

So Boris needed 435 votes and only 354 people voted? Where the fuck was everyone else, at the pub getting smashed or too pussy to vote? 

[Lurch 5930]

Much like many of the votes in Congress, once the outcome is known, any votes placed after or skipped altogether are irrelevant, so political strategy comes into play.

[Ghost of LL 15531]

So Boris needed 435 votes and only 354 people voted? Where the fuck was everyone else, at the pub getting smashed or too pussy to vote? 

The opposition wasn’t going to vote that it had confidence in the Government. So it just didn’t vote.


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