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Brown needs to come back and develop a game. If he does that and becomes a high draft pick, his contract should make up for the difference from what he would get coming out now if the info that he will be drafted in the second half of the first round is accurate. Also the NBA is full of great athletes but there is no guarantee of a second contract.

You want to contribute as quickly as is possible. The G league is certainly an option but starting in the league and staying there is a better one. I hope the young man sees that. Assuming that I am correct in my assessment.  

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  On 4/17/2021 at 7:30 PM, Wulaw Horn said:

Look- I understand what you are saying. But second round money isn’t guaranteed and most of those guys don’t have a career- plus the team has little to nothing invested in them and they don’t get the benefit of the doubt. You can have a solid career as a second round guy, but it’s not super likely and it’s against the norm. If you have upside athletic talent and a situation that you don’t hate I don’t see the point in being a second round guy if some development and another year in college can make you a first. 
mid you have first round guaranteed money waiting for you then go every time. 
unless staying could make you a legend that you will dine out on and get taken care of for life (like TJ coming back for his sophomore year) by your school then that makes sense too. 
God I love TJ. 

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This is no longer true anymore.  Nowadays if you're a picked within the top 40-45 you get a guaranteed deal or a guaranteed portion of your contract.  While obviously 1st rounders are still the only guys who have their contracts explicitly guaranteed by the CBA, teams have begun to value early 2nd round picks and therefore have started guaranteeing their deals as a result.  

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  On 4/17/2021 at 10:19 PM, Catdaddyhorn said:

This is no longer true anymore.  Nowadays if you're a picked within the top 40-45 you get a guaranteed deal or a guaranteed portion of your contract.  While obviously 1st rounders are still the only guys who have their contracts explicitly guaranteed by the CBA, teams have begun to value early 2nd round picks and therefore have started guaranteeing their deals as a result.  

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Yeah- but that guarantee is pretty team friendly. Morey kind of pioneered that with the rockets. I think if you succeed as a second rounder you would be better off not taking the guarantee. 

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Brown is probably going to be a late first rounder. That's where most the mock drafts him. 

I don't know if the money justifies it but seems like he would have a great chance to improve his draft stock with an expected 2nd year jump similar to Kai Jones. The question is does the money justify returning to go from a late first rounder to a potential lottery pick? 

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  On 4/17/2021 at 10:37 PM, texasstrong12 said:

Brown is probably going to be a late first rounder. That's where most the mock drafts him. 

I don't know if the money justifies it but seems like he would have a great chance to improve his draft stock with an expected 2nd year jump similar to Kai Jones. The question is does the money justify returning to go from a late first rounder to a potential lottery pick? 

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A recent mock draft (4 days ago) has Kai Jones at 8 and GB3 at 35.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/nba-mock-draft-stock-ncaa-tournament-davion-mitchell-jalen-suggs

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One positive thing about being picked late in the first round is that you generally go to better teams. That said, I have seen updated mock drafts still showing Greg Brown as high as the #12 pick and as low as #45. He could literally go anywhere.

One I was looking at had Kai Jones at #8 (Toronto) and Greg Brown at #27 (Brooklyn). That seems reasonable to me and would be great spots for both of them.

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  On 4/17/2021 at 7:48 PM, Lonestar88 said:

This also applies to Sims. I’d love for him to come back, but I don’t think it will help him a ton nba wise given his age. 
 

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Sims girlfriend is a Texas soccer player. He's always posting IG stories with her in it. 

So the Texas soccer team coming in for an assist here (hopefully). 

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I would buy 20-25 to start the year for this team at this moment. Every new addition or returning player bumps us up a few spots. 

Top 15 if we get Ramey and Sims back. If we had Williams and/or the Groves or GB3 back (somehow...), top 10 to start the year. 

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  On 4/19/2021 at 12:31 AM, Rockethorn1978 said:

I mean if sims comes back and Williams commits he would be coming off the bench here and will start at BLoWu.

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Williams is the much better player than Groves. As Gerry Hamilton pointed out, Groves is a scorer but he's a liability on the defensive end/rebounding because of his lack of athleticism. 

Hopefully, we land Williams but I'm fairly certain he was the target once he hit the portal. 

 

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  On 4/19/2021 at 2:27 PM, LTtxfan said:

 

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What coach would willingly sign up for this shit? It's one thing for fans to get epic butthurt but it's a pretty pathetic statement from a higher-up university official. Prideless and dickless is no way to go through life, my dude.

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  On 4/19/2021 at 2:39 PM, Bevo14 said:

What coach would willingly sign up for this shit? It's one thing for fans to get epic butthurt but it's a pretty pathetic statement from a higher-up university official. Prideless and dickless is no way to go through life, my dude.

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I hope my admin would offer a lifetime contract to a coach they didn’t even trust and never liked 😂😂

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  On 4/19/2021 at 12:51 AM, Rockethorn1978 said:

I’m not trying to be that guy that says we didn’t really want him because he’s at ou now, but that’s basically what I am saying.

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In the past in both football and basketball,  this usually meant the guy would go on to be a first round pick. I’m hopeful that’s no longer the case. 

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  On 4/17/2021 at 10:15 PM, realgreggym said:

Brown needs to come back and develop a game. If he does that and becomes a high draft pick, his contract should make up for the difference from what he would get coming out now if the info that he will be drafted in the second half of the first round is accurate. Also the NBA is full of great athletes but there is no guarantee of a second contract.

You want to contribute as quickly as is possible. The G league is certainly an option but starting in the league and staying there is a better one. I hope the young man sees that. Assuming that I am correct in my assessment.  

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The economics aren’t about the first contract, they’re about the second one. If you believe you’re going to be a max guy (which dudes like GB all do, right or wrong), getting to that second contract a year early will make up the first contract “loss” by a considerable margin....

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  On 4/19/2021 at 8:17 PM, Ignatius said:

The economics aren’t about the first contract, they’re about the second one. If you believe you’re going to be a max guy (which dudes like GB all do, right or wrong), getting to that second contract a year early will make up the first contract “loss” by a considerable margin....

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I don't disagree but there are no guarantees of a second contract. I read that Jabari Parker, the number 2 pick in the draft a few years ago

just signed his second contract with Boston. Supposedly its for 2 years for I think about 2 million. The article didn't give a specific amount.

Instead it said something like if he is still on the team in July he gets 100k. If he does this and that, he gets another amount. It didn't sound too 

too promising but maybe someone saw a specific number.  The Williams kid from Arizona who was also a number 2 pick a couple of years

earlier was on 5 different teams in 5 years and his second contract was a 10 day contract with Cleveland. Hopefully he signed another one 

that was better. I agree that you play for a second contract but how you play during your first contract determines a second one. You're right about

GB and I hope it works out for him.

 

 

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  On 4/19/2021 at 2:39 PM, Bevo14 said:

What coach would willingly sign up for this shit? It's one thing for fans to get epic butthurt but it's a pretty pathetic statement from a higher-up university official. Prideless and dickless is no way to go through life, my dude.

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Questions of character? After what Tech did to Leach. L-O-Fucking-L!

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  On 4/19/2021 at 9:02 PM, realgreggym said:

I don't disagree but there are no guarantees of a second contract. I read that Jabari Parker, the number 2 pick in the draft a few years ago

just signed his second contract with Boston. Supposedly its for 2 years for I think about 2 million. The article didn't give a specific amount.

Instead it said something like if he is still on the team in July he gets 100k. If he does this and that, he gets another amount. It didn't sound too 

too promising but maybe someone saw a specific number.  The Williams kid from Arizona who was also a number 2 pick a couple of years

earlier was on 5 different teams in 5 years and his second contract was a 10 day contract with Cleveland. Hopefully he signed another one 

that was better. I agree that you play for a second contract but how you play during your first contract determines a second one. You're right about

GB and I hope it works out for him.

 

 

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Jabari Parker has had multiple contracts throughout his career and has made over $55 million in career earnings.  

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/jabari-parker-15354/cash-earnings/

 

 

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  On 4/19/2021 at 9:33 PM, Catdaddyhorn said:

Jabari Parker has had multiple contracts throughout his career and has made over $55 million in career earnings.  

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/jabari-parker-15354/cash-earnings/

 

 

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How many of those years was his first contract? If Boston was his second contract, its not promising

which I think is the point of this discussion, getting to the second contract. If his second contract was before 

he signed with Boston,  then it probably worked out well for him.

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  On 4/19/2021 at 9:40 PM, realgreggym said:

How many of those years was his first contract? If Boston was his second contract, its not promising

which I think is the point of this discussion, getting to the second contract. If his second contract was before 

he signed with Boston,  then it probably worked out well for him.

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14-18 (Milwaukee Bucks) was his 1st contract.  

 

I believe he tore up his knee once or twice during his 4 year rookie deal then signed a 1yr $20 million deal with Chicago with a team option for a 2nd year and was traded to Washington before that year was up. 

 

 

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  On 4/19/2021 at 9:58 PM, Catdaddyhorn said:

14-18 (Milwaukee Bucks) was his 1st contract.  

 

I believe he tore up his knee once or twice during his 4 year rookie deal then signed a 1yr $20 million deal with Chicago with a team option for a 2nd year and was traded to Washington before that year was up. 

 

 

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Maybe GBIII can go straight to Chicago and bypass his first contract. Whatever he decides, I hope it works out for him. Thanks for the info..  

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I find it hard to believe Brown would come back given the additions of Allen and Bishop.  It makes a ton of sense for Ramey to come back.  And I can see good reason for Sims to return.  Coleman is hard to pin; there’s certainly a place for him on the roster but odds of it benefitting him professionally are low.

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